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proo212: I am with Davidylan on this, this has been thrashed so many times on this board.

I concur with the little insight he has put forward. I will add just one thing

@Sagamite, chillax with the insults. I saw your epistle to freecocoa.

Add this to it and it gives it some sense

Isaiah 66:8


Jeremiah 16:15


Jeremiah 23:7-8


These are biblical prophecies. Make of it what you will. But we all have witnessed it.

Never in your life again bring moronic contents of the Bible as defence arguments to me, you understand?

freecocoa: Yea I've seen it a long time ago, just take it easy with them sha.

Though Oga Dafidi seem to be on the same side with the supposed fucktards today, which is quite surprising as I've always known him as a sabi boss.

I have known Oga Dafidi for years. He has an unhealthy hatred of Muslims and loves seeing them killed if they make a wrong move.

When it comes to debates like this, you can NEVER get sense out of Oga Dafidi as the hatred-disease ravages his brain.

I am objective 100% of the time because I never get emotional.

adanny01: Its you all over the place, raining abuses on every body without having a simple intelligent comment or argument. SMH!

You are a cretinous person!

What do you know about intelligence?

freecocoa: Wow! quite an interesting read, if all these is true(just saying, as we both weren't there when it happened ) then Israel should take a step back and do the right thing, which in this case would be to stop encroaching on Palestinian soil.

The Palestinians should as well stop attacking first(or at all)since they know they can't defeat Israel, seriously though, too many innocent people are dying.

Thanks a whole lot for this info, confusion been hold me since for this thread, atleast now I have an insight as to the origin of the beef, thanks again.

Yep, that is the sensible thing that should happen but it would never happen when you have fucktards on both sides.

Can you now see why I have a passionate hate for fucktards?

hotwax: Guy learn. Dont argue with muslims. WHatever they do is right. Killing people is their birth right. You must not retaliate when they attack.

I remember september 11. Muslims trooped out on the street to celebrate the attack. They carried pictures of Osama and praised him.

When America started bombing their a**sss. They started crying foul. They even claimed Osama didnt do it. They had earlier praised him as a mujahdeen. They are set of unfair luniticss I have ever seen.

Cretinous person, is it from your records arsse you concluded I am a Muslim?

Moronic product of a failed education system.

adanny01: Shut up! Are we talking about history! That doesnt matter. You slap me i will slap you 10times, boot you and call you idiot. Try me!

Before this recent Isreali attack, did hamas send rockets into Isreal ir not? Is this recent conflict an escalation of three kidnapped jews or not? Was there a cease fire or not? Who violated it?

You are a cretinous person.

History does not matter?

What reetarded institutions in Nigeria produce fucktards like these ffs?

Demainman1: I bow for Sagamite o! person this, Cretin that.

Is that all he knows?

Feel free to test all I know.

tempest01:
When i said they should have let civilizations play out on their own, you don't think that wars will be part of that process? We are focusing on global terrorism and wars which has root in religion here and civilizations fighting for survival. If you don't stir the hornets nest, they won't come out en mas to attack you, that doesn't mean they wont be few little attacks. USA armed Osama, what was the end of that? USA toppled Saddam how is Iraq today, They killed Ghadaffi, you know the rest. That said i still put it to you, you are a cretin with little and beclouded understanding

You are a cretinous person!

How many wars have taken place in the last 2000 years that does not involve external interest?

tecmon: After six pages and dozens of posts on this thread , i thought ur rain of invectives would have blown out. U are amazing, do u have an insult production machine inside ur stomach or what , if u dont have any meaningful contribution to make on this thread why not stop disgracing yourself and shut ur mouth for good.

You are a cretinous person!

I am trying to enter Guiness book of records.

hotwax: Stupid joker. I got you cockbrain!

You are a cretinous person!

RUN with your tail between your legs, product of a failed education system.

Records?

freecocoa: Quite an educative thread, I'm really learning history here even though its confusing as I don't even know which side of the story to believe.

I don't know much about the fight/beef between Israel and the Arab world but I must say that, these Arabians/Islamists love violence and oppression(see how they judge cases in their country as reference).

Now Sagamite, give us facts kwanu, you just dey here dey shout, cretin, person, mor*nic up and down, you dey fall my hands o .

Oya, make I give you summary gists instead of toying with these ignorant boys while holding back knowledge and using it piecemeal to humiliate them.

At least you are open to learning and asked. And you know who to ask when you want facts.

The thing there in summary is that:

- Jewish people originated and have always existed in that area.
- Unfortunately for them, most of the kingdoms and states they created there in the old times were always defeated and they were conquered.
- Time after time, many rulers picked on them and they had to start migrating to stay alive. They migrated as far as Europe, the Caucuses and North Africa in the medieval times.
- They have not been a major force in the area for about 1,300 years before 1948. Only a few Jewish communities existed in Arabia, where they were left in peace (as Muslims tend to leave people they dominate). The largest communities of the Jews were in the Palestine area of Arabia.
- But their time in exodus was not fun as well, as their new hosts also oppressed them. Afterall, they were seen (in strongly Christian nations) as the ones that killed Jesu Christi and also they were ruthlessly entrepreneurial (anything for money mentality) and selfishly usually kept it within the family.
- During the 1300 years period, there were many pogroms in Europe and Jews were slaughtered by others, from Russians to Ukrainians to the Spanish etc, or sometimes they were all expelled like Ghana-must-go in places like England.
- Jews suffered.
- So someone took the lead in the late 1800s and tried to organise them, after 1300 years to all go back to Galilee, abi Canaan de ni (or is it Canaan). This is what the Jews call Aliyah.
- So that started the gradual migration back to the promise land which was being ruled by the Ottomans now. It was now a full Muslim-Arab place after hundreds of years, just like Sagamu is a full Ijebu land. No "Nna" can ever come claim say Chukwu promise them my land.
- Only few migrated in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
- But after WW1, the allied forces defeated the Ottoman Empire and then after sharing the bloods (Chei, Chei, Chei!), they shared the lands with UK getting Palestine. Dairisgodooo!
- By this time, many Jews were rich and connected in Europe because they owned the banks and many industries. Notably were the family they called Rothschild. Rothschild Bank still exists to this day and the family are still billionaires.
- One of the Rothschild negotiated with his contacts in the British Government in 1917, and the British Foreign Minister, Arthur Balfour, promised them that they would allow Jews migrate to Palestine and have a home there. This is what is known as the Balfour Declaration.
- This led to Jews around the world starting to migrate more to Palestine in the 1920s.
- The Arabs there were not consulted and after a while started complaining that too much Jews were coming in.
- They complained to the Authorities (British), who did not listen or most likely did not take it seriously and could not control the Jewish desire to come to the 'promised land', so the Arabs started rebelling against the British.
- The British being powers obviously dealt with them brutally but also now took them seriously.
- The Jews kept coming in illegally despite the British now trying to control the migration.
- Then WW2 broke out and the long suffering Jews were slaughtered en masse by Heil Hitler. Drastically killed for existing.
- After the allied forces defeated Hitler & the Nazis and freed the Jews, the Jews now took the migration more seriously as they did not want to be exterminated from Earth. The British could not stop them as the World now had pity for the Jews after seeing the horror they suffered.
- They started doing the Aliyah "goin back, back, forth and forth" .
- So the Arabs said "ALLLLLLLLLAHU AKBAR, ALLLLLLLLLAHU AKBAR! No Jews must come here" and then stated roaming the streets slaughtering Jews at night in their new homes in Palestine or on the streets with the "Daggers for Allah".
- The Jews that just realised they were almost wiped out in gas chambers said "Lai, lai" (Never, Never) and started fighting back. The news of them being killed in the Holy Land even led to more migration as angry Jews thought "these backward barbarians think even they can kill us too" and joined the fight to avoid another massacre like Hitler did them.
- This led to the 1947-48 civil war. The British, kia kia, (quick quick) pack their bags and left the area to independence. They just fought a WW and faced economic ruin, they aint getting involved in this shyt.
- The Israelis won the war and seized more Arab lands, drove out the inhabitants they did not slaughter (they slaughtered MANY) and made them refugees till this day. The UN got involved in negotiating the end of the war in 1948 and let Israel keep some land, while Palestine took the rest unhappily.
- Another war broke out in 1967 with Arab nations trying to help the Palestines gain their land back and drive the Infidel settlers into the sea but Israel humiliated and defeated them in 6 days and even took the land of some of these Arab nations. But they gave it back years later.
- Since then Israel has overlorded over the area and locked the Palestines in a huge prison while some are still refugees without status in other Arab countries since 1948.
- Israel continues to bully them and even take more land despite the agreement made by the UN in 1948. These are what are known as illegal settlements.
- Palestinians continue to fight with the guerrilla warfare of sending bombs and suicide bombs to drive the infidels to the sea. Israel retaliates by committing atrocities of their own and then come and tell the world "We are civilised oppressors".

adanny01: I wonder whey you choose to look at it that way only beacause you are a moslem.

Can Isreals attack be called unprovoked or you dont hear the news?

Everything started when 3 jews were kidnapped and killed. Then hamas or whatever they call themselves send rockets in Isreal.

Do you expect Isreal to say sorry or what. If Cameroon sends rockets to Nigeria what will Nigeria do?

Last time i checked, Isrealites that were attacked were also innocent christians and moslems.

Shut up and go and read and learn how everything started.

Never again compare Nigeria/Cameroun to Israel/Palestine.

tempest01: You are a deranged fellow. You need to be on a leash. You have enough Bokoharam problems to think of in your country.

You didn't see other word powers in my post? If the British hadn't forced this union, would there ever had been bombings in Nigeria because of the power house in Abuja?
Think rationally, think from the perspective of the other person. I will have to call you a dork though looking at things from your perspective.

You are a cretinous person!

So before the British came, there were no wars in the area called Nigeria?

Or are you using the same history called "records" as the person called hotwax?

davidylan: The balfour declaration is a one page, 3 paragraph, 16 line letter. Easy for a 7 yr old to find and read since you also reference it in your posts several times.

I have not been a student for the last 4 yrs... you need to update your ad hominems.

Really?

Then it should be easy for you to read it and answer my questions here, Doctor:

https://www.nairaland.com/1804892/isreal-bombards-gaza-it-literally/8#24559508

davidylan: After many years, i am no longer interested in the long meaningless debates here. But just FYI, one of the longest threads on the politics section from way back 2009 was on this same issue (around the same time operation cast lead occurred). It was an extensive debate that involved this very same issues. So to claim that i had never read the balfour declaration until you showed up is frankly insulting to me.

I wonder what "national home" means to you... but to most people, it certainly meant the epicenter of jewish nationality... also known as a state.

Dafidi, you are a PhD student.

I asked you for reference of where you got your assertion from and you referred me (like most moronic products of a failed education system on NL normally do) to go google/wiki and read an entire document.

I am just a mere, ordinary, lasan lasan BSc holder and I never do such and know how to reference assertions.

YOU a PhD student that even did his undergrad in the GREAT UNITED states of Ameyankee employed such nonsensical defence? That is what should be frankly an insult to you.

tempest01: You are the slowpoke here...I have been waiting for you to quote me. Did you read and digest what i put up there? The US and other powers are the major cause of the world problems. There should leave civilizations to play out naturally instead of meddling in their affairs. Aids and other services are welcome but forcing leaders and activities on other countries, toppling leaders etc are the root cause of the problems today.

That said, Israel is fighting for survival right now, and if i was president, i would use the same method because any other thing is tantamount to suicide. If i was Palestinian leader, i would find a way to grow my economy, my military and all paying a deaf ear to Israel for now, when the time is right, and there is aggression, i can defend my people.

These war goes wayback. Starting an aggression is bad but starting one when you are not ready to defend yourself is stupidity

That said, you are obviously a muslim, and the sentiments are there, what you understand is that your colleagues are being killed so rational thinking is not there.

You are a cretinous person!

So there were no world problems before the US existed?

I am obviously a Muslim? Are you that reetarded?

hotwax: I am just happy you publicly shot yourself in the foot.

You said "Israelis were massacred by the jews in the medival age". It means some people came and took over Israel land.

Keep it up. My approach is working....Fulish no_nentity


FYI, Jews were massacred, conquered.

But this Israeli nation/Country has never been defeated by arabs. How do I put it for a nincooomppooop oooo ?

The country of Israel has not beeen defeated by Arabs. Arabs has killed jews in the past

The country of Israel has not beeen defeated by Arabs

The country of Israel has not beeen defeated by Arabs

The country of Israel has not beeen defeated by Arabs

You are a cretinous person!

Instead of engaging in your moronic victorious diversionary tactics that I can crush in one paragraph because you are really really fcking dumb, I would maintain you first provide the "records" you said you have first.

Now you moronic arsse has changed from "No Isreali nation can be defeated" to "This Isreali nation has never been defeated by Arabs"?

So you are learning real history now, not the moronic junk you pulled from your arsse?

Did I not tell you I would make you realise you were a person today?

You are enrolled on my "Self-Awareness" course that I free-ly give on NL everyday.

hotwax: SO actually read history to know that Arabs killed Jews in the medieval era. Interesting. So you know who owns Israel afterall. Keep deceiving yourself ..Yeye guy

person, so you slotted this in while I was busy.

So cretin, did you say according to your "records", which is in the labyrinth of your moronic arsse, Isreali nations are not defeated?

tecmon: Oga Sixix,
U are the one that needs proper education here. U feed urself with lies from the hate and propaganda websites of anti-jewish ,antiChrist, and jihadist apologists.

WHO ARE THE ISRAELIS AND HOW DID THEY ACQUIRE THE TERRITORY CALLED STATE OF ISRAEL TODAY
WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS WHEN DID THEY SHOW UP IN THIS TERRITORY THEY CLAIM IS THEIR OWN

We know that the territory of Israel was called Canaan in Bible times, so WHO ARE (OR WERE) THE CANAANITES

Ge:10:6: And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
Ge:10:15: And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,
Ge:10:18: And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
Ge:10:19: And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

HOW DID THE ISRAELITES ENTER THE LAND

Ge:11:31: And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
Ge:12:5: And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came. .

GOD'S PROMISE TO THE PATRIARCH ABRAHAM

Ge:17:8: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

WHY DID GOD OVERTHROW THE CANAANITES AND GAVE THE LAND TO ISRAEL

De:18:9: When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
De:18:10: There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
De:18:11: Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
De:18:12: For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

SO GOD (WHO OWNS THE WHOLE UNIVERSE) IS NOT WICKED TO JUST KILL PEOPLE ANYHOW AND REDRAW NATIONAL BORDERS,HE HAD A REASON FOR REMOVING THE CANAANITES AND INSTALLING THE ISRAELITES

The Israelites conquered the land of canaan and established the Kingdom of Israel and lived there for thousands of years till the Roman emperor Titus destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 and many of them scattered across the globe as far as Europe and America

JESUS PREDICTED THE FALL OF JERUSALEM THE SCATTERING AND THE CURRENT CONFLICT

Lu:21:20: And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Lu:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Lu:21:22: For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Lu:21:23: But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Lu:21:24: And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled

The Israelites have lived in this very land for as much as 2000 years before the present day Arabs (NOT EXTERMINATED CANAANITES) entered during the middle ages through the Ottoman Jihadist campaign in the 6th century AD. Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel from the time of King David. All the so-called "occupied territories" in the West bank are places that are recorded in Bible and history books as Israeli territotory and has Israeli cultural heritage(INCLUDING THE BIRTH PLACE OF JESUS !) pre-dating the Arab muslims entrance into the land.Israelites own this land,since the time of Joshua and not 1948. Nations may have conquered them and ruled them but the land remains there own.The British have no authority to partition God's land and share it between Jews and Arab trespassers.

WHEN WILL THIS CONFLICT END

As Jesus said; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled
, the time of the Gentiles is in the last minutes (NOT DAYS !)
ARE YOU READY FOR THE RETURN OF THE MASTER AND OWNER OF THE UNIVERSE - HIS DIVINE MAJESTY LORD JESUS CHRIST

This is the typical rants of fucktards like those in Israel that are killing Palestinians.

davidylan: obviously you have no clue what you are talking about... but as is usual, you employ empty but loud bluster to make it seem as if you actually have a clue.

I have no intention of exchanging words this early morning... so by all means enjoy the rest of your day.

FYI... the balfour declaration is available on the web in its entirety for even a 6 yr old to see.

You failed to realise that the declaration stated national home until I told you?

I have no clue what I am talking about?

Or you can not back up your statements?

Except with logic like 'if "palestinians" are seriously claiming they want their "land" back, why have they not also tried to take Jordan back from the Saudis'?

Dafidi, na Saga you dey bring that kind of lame logic to?

davidylan: Not sure what was so difficult about the question really... if "palestinians" are seriously claiming they want their "land" back, why have they not also tried to take Jordan back from the Saudis?

That is absolutely tosh!

So if I borrow 2 people money, one person can refuse to pay me and tell me I am not serious about getting my money back because I am not asking the other person for my money, and that would make sense to you?

That is ABSOLUTELY TOSH!

So this is the logic and justification you have used to convince yourself that the Jews have a right to take their lands?

davidylan: The facts do not support this claim. Please re-read the declaration.

Please show me how the declaration stated that it was meant to be a State.

davidylan: The idea that arabs lived in the area for thousands of years is completely false. One simple example, why will the so-called arab towns bear jewish names? Up until 1947 for example, the "westbank" used to be called Judea/samaria. Quite odd if you think about it.

That is your evidence that Arabs did not live there?

Then I guess it is not Nigerians that live at Victioria Island and Port Harcourt.

My friend, the Jewish nations were beaten and destroyed over many centuries. Many Jewish people had to scatter across the Earth to Europe, the Caucuses and even North Africa. The Arabs were overlords of the areas for over a thousand years with some small Jewish communities that were largely left in peace and even had social influence.

davidylan: False.

Okay, show me what the declaration said then. I don't like lying.

davidylan: Well considering galilee is a hebrew name... why would they want to go any place else?

And so?

davidylan: You still haven't answered my question... does the fight for "palestine" include Jordan which is currently ruled by a direct descendant of a saudi prince?

I am struggling to understand your question.

What has Palestinian land in Jordan got to do with Israel taking Palestinian land?

If the Palestinians are not asking for their land back that "is currently ruled by a direct descendant of a Saudi prince", what has that got to do with Israel taking their land? It justifies Israel taking their land?

davidylan: Oh and by the way, the balfour declaration actually indicates that there were jewish descendants in palestine and for whom a portion of the land was to be set aside as a jewish state. Just FYI.

No 1, I repeat, the Balfour Declaration was to find a "home" for Jews in bulk, not a state.

No 2, the Balfour Declaration should not have done that without an agreement with the people that were majority in the Area and had ruled over the area for over a thousand years. So Balfour Declaration is not a justification.

davidylan: See highlights, that is disingenuous really... the balfour declaration mentions a "national home" for the jews. If that does not imply a state then i dont know what does.

A national home in the Balfour Declaration implies giving a scattered Jewish people a place that is part of a State that they can point to as their origins/home and feel safe in bulk.

The initial offer to them was to create the national home in Uganda to congregate, but the Jews refused because they felt God gave them Galilee or whatever was stated in the Old Testaments?

Are you now saying they were being offered a State in Africa?

davidylan: I asked a very simple question, does that also include the state of Jordan which was over 75% of "palestine" up until 1921? Remember, the whole point of the balfour declaration was the creation of 2 states - one for arabs and one for jews.

No, the whole point of Balfour Declaration was to find a national home for Jews, not a creation of two states.

It was to find a place they can all live in a bulk, not to give them a State.

Arabs were the majority in Palestine pre-1948, until Jews decided to illegally migrate there and took up weapons to get their-self a State.

hotwax: Adolf Hitler massacred Jews before the state/nation of Israel was created. SO you cant be a citizen of a non-existent country.

There are many black guys are in (Nationals of Europe). Kill ten thousand European black, it doesnt mean they are Nigerian.

Cretinous person, and the Jews killed by Arabs and Jewish states demolished in the medieval era are European Jews?

Dumb mooron!

davidylan: Err you're not being specific. Which lands were not theirs pre-1948? According to the Balfour declaration, the only portion that did not belong to the jews is what is now known as Jordan today.

Pre-1948, there was no Jewish State or Nationhood.

Jews were minority citizens of Arab nations. Like every other citizens, they owned lands.

They used force to push out Palestines from their lands to create their Jewish State.

And they are still doing that till today in what are illegal settlements.

davidylan: Exactly which? Does that include Jordan too? Afterall it was also considered part of palestine.

The ones that was not theirs pre-1948.

hotwax: Simple yes. SO this is too hard for you to know? A primary school student know this. Islam terror everywhere. Now I know your problem. I will start Ignoring you henceforth. No point arguing with a thick head

person, did you finish primary school?

Or you "withnessed" it?

hotwax: Those jews were not citizen of Israel. They were European citizen.

Please dont be like Sir Fuctard. Read records. Adolf Hitlers killed European Jews and not middle east Jews.

I know you are smarter than that

You are a cretinous person!

Which records should he read? The moronic one up your arsse?

Where are majority of the Jews in Israel today from, according to your arrse records?

And what is the difference between European and Middle East Jews?

davidylan: hmmm what lands have Israel taken by the way?

The one in Palestine.

davidylan: 1. Yeah Gaza will "rise again"... with Israel providing them electricity, construction supplies, food, medical supplies etc while they go ahead building more rockets.

2. If military might is not the solution then tell Hamas to stop sending rockets to Israel.

3. Gaza has had independence for over a decade... at what point are they actually going to USE IT to improve themselves rather than as a launching pad to target Israel? Oh i get it... until they drive the jews into the sea (which is their actual goal)? Too bad the jews aren't interested in swimming in the Mediterranean.

Sorry try again.

So they should leave Israel to take their lands and be pleased with what Israel allows them to have?

hotwax: Sir were...I can only argue with a sane man. Arguing with a lunatic patient is not ideal and a waste of energy. Go home and ask, which country is not under islamic attack or has not withnessed islamic terror in the past 10 years. Go boy Go go

You are a cretinous person!

So all countries in the World are under Islamic attack and have "withnessed" terror?

You have diarrhea? Your arsse cannot close?

hotwax: Sir Fuctard, you are disillusioned animal. Record is record. get back to school. I cant teach you what your lazy a-sss lecturers should have done in school. So free me. I can only argue with an intellect. But someone like you, we can only exchange farts. I am just doing that with you.

You are a cretinous person!

So you have no "records" that the Jews own the land?

You just opened your mouth like a typical cretinous person of a failed education system?

The schooling system where you were taught to "argue with an intellect"?

Now run away with your tails between your legs asap!