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peterphd: @sagamite

Why should homosexuality be criminalised? Its human nature and if its shown on TV why not simply use your remote? Are you saying if it were to be shown on animal planet you would want the channel to be shut down? I just don't understand the grounds on which you want this thing criminalised.

It should be criminalised because it is perversion and disgusting.

wman: Is prostitution banned?
Does prostitution attract a jail term?

In some Scandinavian countries it is.

And in most Western countries, it is banned in public.

And, yes, people get prosecuted for it. Whether it procures a jail term I don't know, but that is irrelevant.

wman: You never understood my post. I said so long as it affects no one else negatively.
Homosexualism affects no other than the 2 parties involved.
Hard drug use has caused so much addictions and has led to many other vices.
Terrorism etc affects others negatively and worlwide the war against them is increasing and not waning.

Comprehend my post 1st and come up with a better arguement.
I dey wait u.

Okay, tell me who nudism or prostitution affects negatively?

Illuminatus: Have you ever heard that someone was arrested for having sex with his dog in private? Have you ever that a couple were beaten in public because they're first cousins?
It is obviously that the lot of you think homosexuality is unnatural, religiously wrong and some of you just can't understand it.
It is funny, actually, seeing as a similar situation existed not so long ago in American. The North and the South were arguing on whether slavery is legally wrong or not.
Some Humans feed on misery and have a dangerous ideology. Not so long ago, our grandfathers' killed twins and buried slaves with their masters, alive. These ideas are now generally accepted to be wrong. But in those days, they were held up as norms, traditions, the obvious and natural way of life.
The Church not so long ago carried out a massive hunt in England for witches. Hundreds of women were killed and burnt based on the premise that someone thought they were witches. The church now admits that it was wrong, years later, with a lot of innocent women already murdered.
My point is that often in our defense of what we value as our culture, ideas or accepted mode of conduct, we make mistakes. I won't force you guys to accept that gay people mean you no harm. But I implore you to understand that...gay people are still humans, going on their lives - their sexuality just a part, faucet of their personality - they eat, breath, shit, sleep and feel as we all do. They love and have sex too. Live and let live.
Nican in Your Heart

What a moronic post.

So because you have not seen people arrested for something is your argument to justify its criminalisation?

Since when did homosexuality relate to racism/slavery?

pazienza: Bro, alot of things in this world are disgusting to me, for example i find it disgusting when a black lady apply red lip sticks, i find it disgusting when some one farts in public and even join the other persons to feign disgusted, i find it disgusting when a gal has body odour, the list of things i find disgusting in this life are many, but should i go about persecuting these people because i find their acts disgusting?
The rational thing i do is to let them be, and stay as far away from them as possible.

Another rubbish and senseless analogy.

Bpriest: I saw people cheering when they heard about the bill . And you want to make me believe that there are homosexuals here ? Where are they? Why is that they don't hold meetings, rallies? Why is that they are not protesting in our streets? Why is that there's no gay pride parade? The answer is simple: they don't exist. Nigerians are not animals.

You must be a pure person!

There are no homosexual Nigerians or homosexuals in Nigeria?

Blow your brains out with a sawn-off, double-barrel shotgun because it does not aid you in any way.

pazienza: There is no imposition here, the only imposition going on here is that of a priviledged majority, trampling on defenseless minority.

Homosexuals are only asking you to live and let them live, they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or be their friends, how does that translate to imposition?

On procreation, Nigerian population is too much, so i don't think we are having population shortage like they have in singapore, even if we do, homosexuals can still procreate as they are not infertile, ever heard of artificial insemination?

Awwwwwn!

Poor, defenceless homosexuals.

pazienza: Homosexuals relationships can't procreate, so the issue of children with genetic defects does not arise.

Homosexualism apart from disgusting homophobes has no effect whatsoever on the economy of a country or well being of a heterosexual.

The only crime of homosexualism is that it is disgusting to homophobes, every other argument homophobes put forward is to cover that.

And so what if it is banned based on disgust?

Miss EZ: Agreed, please start somewhere. Can we start from a place that actually has a great impact on the economy and the lives of citizens. Please start by addressing ASUU strike, Too much? okay how about electricity that was promised years ago, still too much? Okay lets do employment, no? Well how about healthcare...still not feeling it? Okay lets do corruption, still no deal? You see, the options for starting points are endless, but Nigerian government chose the most insignificant to start on. It is well o.

At Porka, Back to my first and original point. There are more important issues that Nigeria could focus on that will directly improve the lives of Nigerians. Can they address the issue of homosexuality? Of course. Is it of great importance right now? NO

I can guarantee you that the government department addressing ASUU strike is different from that addressing homosexuality.

Just like the US/UK department handling low employment rates is different from that handling promotion of homosexual marriage.

Please lets cut out that completely useless excuse to distract from the logic of banning homosexuality.

Miss EZ: Oi, God bless you. This was the point i made in my original post. Nigeria has way too much problems to be majoring on homosexuality.

Those are completely silly questions.

Because we have 99 problems does not mean we should not address 100 problems.

If you go to a company and say they should ignore any mediocre problem they can easily solve because they have 99 more pertinent problems, then just know your progression would be restricted in that firm.

In a sane environment, you tackle all your problems.

Because 83% of people do not have water does not mean we should ignore people campaigning to walk on the road without any clothes on.

It really is just nonsensical to say ignore A because of B that is a completely mutually exclusive issue.

adconline: We have 99 problems in Naija gay ain't one. We can't be distracted with gay issues when have a lot of issues affecting Naija. Instead of preaching to the West, why don't we show them how we have tackled corruption? How we have raised standard of living; how we have made our country a shinning example. How would this issue solve lack of access to clean portable to 83% of our population? Where is our moral compass when we have the highest child illiteracy rate in the world? Highest child mortarlity rate in the world? Shouldn't the "good" we demand from others start from us? Naija is a sovereign state so it cannot be detected to by other countries, but charity starts at home!

This does not answer my question.

Where are you seeing people blaming homosexuals for everything?

Or maybe if I tweek the question a bit, you will be able to understand it better and respond appropriately:

Where did you see anyone blaming everything on homosexuals?

pazienza: Incest is business of the government, cos offspring from such unions are likely to have genetic defects, which can affect the future generation of the country, and may even increase the government's health expenditure. We can't say the same of homosexual relationships.

Please can you educate me on this rubbish you wrote?

I want to laugh.

How does inc.est likely result in genetic defect?

So what if it does?

How does the government have justification to ban something because it wants to minimise its health expenditure?

Miss EZ: Bpriest, honestly i cant tell you what the appropriate step would be o. I do not think it should be legalized. I also do not think it should be criminalized. Homosexuality is indeed foreign to our culture. I am speaking more from the point of view of maintaining ones freedom to associate with whomever they please as long as it does not infringe against the right of others or cause harm to someone else.

I hear you when you say it is the law. the law should be respected. But this is one law that should not have been passed IMO. Homosexuality is something that will probably never be accepted in Nigeria and i am very okay with that. I just dont think that a homosexual should go to jail for being gay.

The number one and most important step is that it has to be criminalised.

If you do not criminalise it, then you have lost the battle from the beginning because you have given them a platform to be defiant and use that to fight you to suppression. You are not banning public homosexuality in the society, you are only delaying it.

We have seen enough example of this timeline in the West the moment they decided to decriminilise it. It becomes essentially a one way traffic to everything pro-homosexuality.

You give them an inch and they would take you for a ride mile.

They are free to practice whatever they see as their right behind close doors. Laws can't affect you if you don't publicly break it.

Bpriest: We live in a democracy. 98% here are against you and don't even want you among them. Deal with it . A democracy is the rule of the majority over the minority.
What will b the point to legalize that? You want to b lynched? The gov doesn't want to lie to you, people are not ready for you ,we should stop even discussing about that. do you know what they do to lesbians in SA ?check it out, this basically what happens when a law is passed without the support of the people.

The homosexual propagandists have bastardised democracy.

I know, for example, in the UK that the imposition of homosexuality was done by a few elitist who manipulated and ignored the majority.

They tactic was to implement just a little pro-homosexual agenda, enough not to cause the public go amok, and then let them get used to it, then implement the next.

Repeat the loop until you have completed your pro-homosexuality agenda.

Total tactical brainwash. No need for logic, just manipulate cretins that are desperate to be seen as modern and funky.

Miss EZ: Porka, neither should be accepted. That does not mean it should be criminalized. I was using gay marriage as an example.

Why are you warning me? This law has no effect on me personally. But just because something does not affect me does not mean i cannot debate it. So there is a death penalty for homosexuality in the North. Well guess what, i served in the North, some of their top politicians are gay or bi. When i asked why, they said it was a power thing. Kind of like passing the baton or whatever silly excuse they gave.

Do not mistake my debating the law as me being in support of homosexuality. I support the preservation of human rights of people. People have the right to associate with whomever they please.

By the way, don't twist my words. I talked about mental illness in regards to incest and not homosexuality and my response was my personal opinion on the issue of incest. I have no idea why people chose a homosexual lifestyle, neither can i tell you why people would engage in incest. All i can do is guess

There is no way you can argue inc.est is a mental illness and homosexuality is not.

Only homosexual incestual acts can be a more severe mental illness than homosexuality.

porka: Any ban/law should carry a consequence otherwise it is not a ban but an advise.

Jail time is a civilize modern method of enforcing a ban/law.

Brilliantly said.

ludot: Homosexuality is not the only crime in Nigeria, is it? But it is the one people are most vocal about. Why?

As you continue casting your stones you just remember the verses below.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11

New Living Translation (NLT)

9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This is one of those moronic opinions.

Is homosexuality the only crime that is penalised in Nigeria?

There are no other laws that deal with other issues?

Miss EZ: The truth is law does not make anything impossible. Every armed robber knows that the law specifies that he be put to death if caught. Every fraudster knows that being caught means jail time.

I think the main issue here is that Nigerians can say we do not support homosexuality, therefore, you will not be allowed to get married or reap the benefits that come with the institution which in the US is a lot (healthcare, pension, etc). But to go for jail time for homosexuality? Really? It is just overkill. I no even know why i de argue this issue. Abeg where my bf.

That would be as hopeless a law as you can get because:

1) Nigeria does not have such benefits.

2) There are many brainwashed cretins who see themselves as the next Mandela. You will just have a few public defiance and ridiculing of that law.

3) Once you have no punitive measures, some would start making brazen challenges on public officials and harassing society by being a nuisance until you are blackmailed to just give them what they want.

In the atmosphere of aggressive and loud homosexual promotion and dragooning of people to support it, you need a strong deterrent law that does not give these Desperate Mandela-wannabes an inch.

We are in a huge Cultural War and many people do not know it. We are being bombarded with weapons by a far more powerful opponent who are adamant we must be suppressed.

vire: Well i am not a supporter of same sex marriage but how long they can hold on is the problem..Nigerians may not support it now but how long can this opposition hold.A lot of the younger generation is accepting homosexuality and soon the tides will change..The western Nations have the money and Media to propagate same sex ideologies and trust me Nigeria will be the new heaven for all these propaganda...every movie, song, news and sitcoms will feature a scene to help show that homosexuality should be accepted.. There is a way of science whereby if you keep reading or seeing a particular thing for a long time it becomes the norm....we were a nation where going nude was a taboo but now its the new way to define sexy

This is so true!

The minute Frank Ocean declared he was an homosexual, I knew many awards and invites to major events were coming his way.

The previously unknown Jason Collins the basketballer, all of a sudden, started presenting awards on MTV this year.

The gay argument has been successful not my logical arguments, but by pure propaganda that attacks the senses of simpletons.

Miss EZ: Lol. Sagamite, abeg no kill me with laugh. I think he sees Sodom and Gomorrah as two different countries (They arent even a country sef, talkless of two).

In any case, i am not advocating for an acceptance of homosexuality. I however think that criminalizing it makes people who subscribe to this lifestyle easy targets and that is where the violation comes in. They have a right to association and affiliation and that include religious, sexual, traditional etc. I still maintain that who a person sleeps with is a private matter and has no bearing on the economic development of the country.

Nigeria should definitely state their view on the issue, but i really think that making it a criminal offence was very unnecessary and the law is a silly at best.

Speaking of which, I have to commend you and the way you state your points. Nigerians can be silly sometimes during an argument. I have been reading the response and it is annoying to see people calling others gay because they dont think the law makes sense. There is something called respect for another persons belief and lifestyle. I dont have to agree with it. Respect doesnt equal support. You seem to understand this and it shows in the way you respond to differing point of view.

I take it you got the "right to association and affiliation" thingy from the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

I am afraid in every country that right is subject to the interpretation adopted.

Actions are always subject to legislation in every country.

Even in the UK and some other EU countries, religious rights has faced suppression for the benefits of other values they deem superior like homosexual rights.

And as I have said before on NL, economic development is not the only factor governments have to take into consideration when formulating policy. Social issues and values are equally as important.

It is like saying your daughter can prostitute herself because she would make more money than if she had an unskilled career.

About your commending me for respecting other people's opinion, I am sorry babes but it is clear you don't know me well on NL.

I suggest you go through my post history.

By the time you get to page 5 it would be quickly be pretty obvious to you what I am known for on NL.

I am the rudest and most intolerant NLer ever.

The positive of this is that everyone knows I am immensely intelligent, I always back up my points with faultless intellectual logic and whoever I attack deserves it for being completely dimwitted.

I don't want to say anymore because I am sticking to being a humble person today.

I respect differing views only if the author appears to have utilised the brain just a little bit, otherwise I get my intellectual scythe out and cut off their head.

I don't need to call anyone an homosexual for arguing in favour of homosexuals. I can easily cut down any of their arguments without even having to resort to any religious jargon. Just pure logic!

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Let's blame the gay for everything

Where are you seeing people blaming homosexuals for everything?

Uyi Iredia: Abeg free.

Don't mind him too much.

The person is used to his intellectual bashing.

One of those people I have given self-realisation. He now knows he is dumb and it is a bitter existence for people like that afterwards.

01mcfadden: smh 4u!

Don't break a bone in your neck while doing it.

Uyi Iredia: @ Sagamite: Then try Ifa religion. I used to think I knew something till I came to Nairaland. First, Pastor AIO and now FOLYKAZE. Make I see wetin Omo Sagamu know

Off course na.

I already have a personal babalawo on retainer fees.

Ishilove: I think contemporary music is empty and shallow. I prefer listening to old music. The older the better.

What does that say about me?

This na your stuff abi?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5utNmlJqsE

Uyi Iredia: I see. So how come you are reading what they wrote.

ME?

Emi?

Read wetin?

Omo Sagamu reading bible?



Don't make me laugh.

I don't touch that, mate.

I don't deal with that.

I have better things to do with my life.

I don't touch or have ANY interest in the bible beyond laughing.

Talking about my earlier point to Miss EZ.

I am pretty sure all Russia wants to do is host the most amazing and respectable Winter Olympics. And all they want to do, in conjunction with the IOC, is focus on delivering this Olympics with professional smoothness.

But they Western press have decided to force them to focus on homosexual issues and keep on harassing them and directing attention to "rights of homos".

What choice do they have than to spend some time addressing this?

ifebosco: the same way does slave masters in america in the 18 and 19centuries used the bible to perpetuate their art of barbaric slave trade,Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. you and many of you are using the bible to sell hatred.im not a gay and will never hate anybody because of his sexual orientation

A book of fairytales written by illiterate medieval men.

masonkz: Firstly, are they American men clamouring for Polygamy?

And are the women they're willing to marry also agitating for such marriage?

Are these women ok with being 2nd, 3rd and 4th wives to such men?

I don't think you can talk of a man's right regarding polygamy without considering the person that same man wants to marry. It's a marriage, so not only one person should be considered here.

So if all these exist in the American society and would wanna start up a campaign for it, then they should.

My opinion.

What don't you understand about:

Sagamite: A sane and finger-pointing society does not have to have people clamouring for something before they apply it.

You just have to have a set of values and rules which you apply consistently on all issues.

masonkz: Lol. You still don't get it.

No.

Please try explaining again.

Maybe this time I will.

masonkz: Yes, I think what the females want matters here. They are the ones who have to deal with other "competitors" in the marriage. And in this present age, how many women do you think would want such a marriage?

The men are the ones who benefit, hence they're mostly the ones clamouring for it.

So if a woman does not want something, then you should deprive a man his rights?

Wow! Are you sure you are not a Professor of Logic?