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[quote author=pretty_boi]I support you a 100% & I also pray that the u.s. & particularly the former French president Nicolas Sarkozy get a taste of their own wicked & selfish acts for what they did to Libya & particularly Gaddafi in a million folds. In Jesus name. Amen.[/quote]No, they won't.

Jesus is on their side. They merely helped Jesus ensure Gaddafi get a taste of his wicked and selfish acts towards his people.

He got the beating and torture of his life for the same acts he did to others. He deserved more than that but the anger of his people was too much they zealously took his miserable life too early.

Sarkozy, Cameron and Obama are all likely to end up living in relative opulence and wealth in their retirement until their death while also being board members and advisers to the world's biggest firms, making hundreds to millions of dollars annually, till their old age.

This is what funkadelics can get for you society if you allow them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202127/Teacher-sacked-grabbing-abusive-boy-16-hurled-banana-milkshake-him.html

FUUUUUUUNKY!

monex: Sagamite, please repeat what you said about ideology to these peeps.

cos i cant understand how one would relate KKK, KGB, IRA to christian extremism.

You would soon start seeing fucktards relating pollution of Niger Delta rivers by big western oil firms to christian extremism!

A person came here to relate an incidence in 1979 to another in 2001 and fellow cretins applauded him.

FCK DEMOCRACY!

ABSOLUTELY FCK IT!

FCK THE CONCEPT OF ONE MAN, ONE VOTE!

What a moronic concept!

panafrican: Fool, the first statement does not exclude the second one.You have a critical thinking problem.
Sorry , I can't help.

You are a person!

Maybe in the failed education system you were brought up in "it doesn't".

But in systems where good english is taught, it does, moooron!

More reasons why people should not take drugs:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4534267/Ex-Americas-Next-Top-Model-star-Jael-Strauss-beauty-destroyed-by-meth-addiction-as-she-appears-on-Dr-Phil.html

Katsumoto: International response is based on efforts within a country.

Why should western nations lead revolutions in sovereign nations? If citizens rise and demand change, outsiders may assist them.

There is no guarantee that outsiders will always help; they will balance resources required with the situation on ground. Who paid for the costs of assisting the rebels in Libya?

There was no response required in Saudi because the royal family moved quickly with socialist causes. In effect, they bought the continued loyalty of their subjects.

International opinion moved against Ghadaffi because of his past actions of supporting terrorists. What state terrorism have Saudi and Bahrain sponsored?

Don't mind the person!

Not only based on response within the nation but also a level of personal interest.

Why would the West spend billions of their tax payers money even for good if the alternative leadership is worse for the people or for them?

Why would the West spend billions of their tax payers money even for good if there is no marginal benefits to them? All those bombs are free or cheap?

Outsiders would come and help if it is PRACTICAL and cretins should stop pointing to where they helped and where they did not help as some kind of intellectual evidence.

Products of a failed education want to talk about IQ and critical thinking.

Fcking ediot does not know foreign and diplomatic relations have to be tailored.

If a 5ft 3 skinny guy is beating your sister, you would beat the fck out of him and send him to hospital in a coma. If two 6ft 8 gymed up ex-convicts are beating your sister, you would think of other more diplomatic ways to end it.

The cretin thinks if Chinese government starts bombing a city in its country, the US should react the same way as they would if Mexican government starts bombing a city in theirs.

Bloody simpleton!

shymexx: [s][/s]

Simpleton, you think I'm going engage to a bipolar disorder having plonker like you - with a linear thought process in a debate?? I gave you your chance, and you proved your IQ hasn't improved since the last time you got your a.rse whooped..

You're too stupid, too dumb, and too ignorant - for an intellectual discourse... Stick to the family section, and continue your fantasy dreams over there with the old hags in that section..

Hey, don't forget your lithium dosage...

You are a person!

The same person that thinks KKK is comparable to people kill for Allah is the one talking about IQ!

The same person that claims US sponsoring Salafist is why muslims kill is the one talking about IQ!

panafrican: Where did you see the words Nigerian forum is exclusively for africans ? Go get some help, big guy.
It is funny to see a whitey whining about racism, just funny.
One knows what your wills are though, you wish we go to war with South africa so you can make money by selling weapons to both sides ! ! !

Profit, profit and profit ,that is you. You all suck in Europe out there !

You are a person!

So why the emphasis on South Africans being Africans then?

Why not just say all people full rights to voice their opinions on any forum?

Katsumoto: I don't understand why many blame the US for the removal and death of Ghadaffi.

There was an arab spring and many arabs revolted against their governments.

The EU and US originally stood aside but as the savage blood letting let loose by Ghaddafi claimed many lives, international observers requested help for the rebels. If the Western governments didn't respond, the same conspiracy theorists would be arguing it was because of oil.

The fact is that western governments supported the rebels even though Libyan oil had found its way to western markets again after many years of sanctions.

Don't even try and reason with them.

Those are the fucktards that deserve Abacha as leader and let him slaughter them all because he wants to rule.

shymexx: [s][/s]

Utter tosh!!!

You're notorious for having a strange form of mental sickness, and I don't really have time for your two-vocab nonsense - that starts with 'fcvktard' and ends with 'cretin', today... Go take a your daily dosage of lithium and ritalin, and get a nap, mate...

You'll understand better when your bipolar disorder is gone - and when you grow older..

You are a person!

When you have nothing meaningful to say, keep quiet instead of vomitting irrelevant nonsense like IRA and KKK also kill or even compare them to Tea-party.

https://www.nairaland.com/1045778/us-ambassador-killed-libya-consulate/4#12149366

You just wanted to say you spoke as well. I asked you from the start what "crap is this", you should have made an about turn.

shymexx: [s][/s]

You're the most re.tarded poster on NL and your conjectural crap don't make sense...

Extremism is extremism - and there are extremists in every religion..

And Kaduna killings has more of a tribal undertone than religious, because they killed both Christian and Muslim Yoruba people..

If you can't argue about the topic and Libya, without dragging Kaduna into it - go find somewhere else to pour out your sadistic emotions..

You are a person!

Who said extremism is extremism or there are no extremists in every religion?

The fact there is that no other religion has volumes of blatant and unashamed extremists as Islam.

No other religion has volumes of religious violence in the name of their religion as Islam.

No other religion has followers so quick to and enjoy violence as Islam.

No other religion would have people commit violence in the name of their religion and the religious leaders will not be willing to condemn it or willing to condemn it as Islam.

THAT IS WHY ONLY ISLAM GETS STICKS!

Tribal undertone or racial undertone, cretin, they kill in the name of religion and it has nothing to do with your moronic conjecture of US sponsoring Salafist.

Conspiracy throwing cretin!

TV01: I never said it was, merely suggested db08 enunciate the attraction.


Exactimondo! The benefits of a holiday and the attraction of Vietnam remain undiminished by the bad experience. Per my point above, I was asking for the benefits and attraction of marriage to be outlined. As opposed to saying "going on holiday is not by force". We know that (and I didn't use that phrase in the first instance).

And my point is that those benefits are based on individual taste. Someone likes Vietnam's benefit is not proof everyone would or should.

debrief marrying twice is not proof everyone would or should like the benefits of marriage, so I don't see the point of it being brought up to defend marriage.

TV01: That is unlike Paul, you are not abstinent. Treating women in one of three categoriese in relatioship terms; mother, sister or wife. You have an additional category/ies right?

That flew over my head, mate.

Who is Paul and what did he do? The last time I read that book was over 45 years ago. I am not conversant with examples generated from it.

TV01: No dude, you are wrong!

Stats, facts, empirical studies

Anecdotal, and too be honest, lacking your usual clarity. I am a christian, yet have no recourse to "mogs". Casual sex is all pervasive, but I abstained before marriage and remain faithful after. Multiply that by the many.

The fact is so evident all around, it is shocking.

That is like asking me to bring empirical studies that humans eat food.

I honestly believe you don't expect me to dig out empirical data to show you that kids in the USA behave differently from kids in Saudi and they both behave differently from kids in Zambia?

Nor do you expect me to give you empirical data that a wife in Africa behaves differently from a wife in the West?

Read up on how culture develops. And do note, attitudes to marriage and religion is based on culture.

Also read up on Hostede's cultural dimensions to understand how environments make people approach issues in similar ways when they are from the same environment and different ways when they are from different environments:

http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/

http://geert-hofstede.com/countries.html

And by the way, casual sex is the best thing ever. It is heaven on Earth!

TV01: I appreciate that environment and realities may change. Your error is to think re-engineering marriage is the answer. It is not.

The approach to marriage needs to be re-engineered based on the change in environment.

TV01: Your approach is faulty as it attempts to change the deal. It effectively ceases to be marriage. It becomes "legally codified runs" at best. What was that about "the worlds oldest profession"?

The deal has already changed if one does not bury his head in the sand.

It has reached a preposterous situation where free sex (marriage sex) can be more expensive than paid for sex!

It is already regarded as legally codified runs under the law without me being responsible for making it so.

I want to keep the cost down with my logical-transactional approach.

TV01: Not "snakes and ladders" sir. Faith based tenants, applied with, wisdom, discernment and of course Gods grace. It's why MBJ and yourself are struggling with "who is to blame" on the "steps to marriage" thread. Your LT approach cannot deal with unfactored change.

"A throw of the dice"? That would suggest, an element of randomness, or shooting in the dark. Not the case. There was a certain degree of logic, but not of the stand alone variety.

It is snake and ladders based on your approach. You are optimistic (faith) you will get the ladder but you could easily get the snake and come crashing down, dependent on the throw of the dice (fate).

My LT approach gives me a far better chance than your SnL approach in dealing with both factored and unfactored change.

Logical-transactional anyday please!

TV01: I'll tell you one thing; at that time, e-runs with NL "small mummies" will hold no attraction.

I wouldn't want to preempt anything, but purple and silver is a great colour scheme !

Best
TV

Lets just conclude there is no doom awaiting me. It was just a shakara normally used to get Real Men to commit to women desperate for marriage.

shymexx: You're dolt!!!

Extremism is extremism - and all those extremists used their BELIEF SYSTEM to justify their barbaric and savagely acts, period!!!!

Muslim extremists can also argue that they kill because Israel don't belong in the middle east - and that they hate Americans because they're stealing their oil...

How about the freaking CHRISTIAN PRIESTS in UGANDA who assisted in the genocide

And the ARYAN NATION IDEOLOGY, which is rooted in THE BIBLE??

You are a person!

Who said extremism is not extremism.

It is your moronic attempt to think extremism has to be linked to the perpetrators' religion because the one for obvious religious extremist is.

People kill because of race and your daft asss wants to link it to religion like people who kill because they feel their religion is offended.

Cretin!

shymexx: When did 'Kaduna' get into the discourse??

The debate is about Salafists in Libya...

Stick to the topic....

And Kaduna is more of an ethnic thing than a religious thing...

You are a person!

Your daft asss said moronically, conjecturely and illiterately that it is because the US sponsors Salafists that is why we see Islamic violence and I told you to explain how sponsoring of salafists led to killings in Kaduna.

Cretin! Your moronic asss is too daft to know it is because of religious teachings that they kill. You are attributing it like a person to imaginary sponsoring of Salafists.

So apparently, the guy died of smoke inhalation and people even tried to help him.

So much for the conspiracy theorists like maclatunji that saw it as a hatchet job.

shymexx: Ask the CIA... We also know Muslim Brotherhood is a British creation...

And the Northern Islamic hegemony in Nigeria is a British creation...

That explains everything you need to know..

You are a cretin!

Is it the CIA that makes muslims feel like slaughtering Xtians in Kaduna?

Is it the sponsoring of Salafists that causes that?

I TOLD YOU TO USE YOUR BRAIN. YOU BLATANTLY REFUSED!

shymexx: Christian terrorists killing in the name of Jesus and the bible:

I can give you more!!!

You are a mooron!

Apart from the LRA, how are the moronic examples you gave representative of people killing for Jesus?

Fooool!

IRA kill because of difference. They want to join a nation of their religous sect, they do not kill in the name of Jesus or claim it is a religious duty.

KKK kill because of race. They want to have a pure race and feel superior, they do not kill in the name of Jesus or claim it is a religious duty.

Zionist kill because of difference, land and to defend themselves. They want to have a nation of their own, they do not kill in the name of their religion or claim it is a religious duty.

I told you from the start you were daft to bring such crap up!

No one wakes up to pick on muslims. Their behaviours of violence, cult-like collaboration and lack of will to condemn actions of their associates but instead look for excuses to justify it is what makes them THE ONLY RELIGION that get sticks.

shymexx: Who helped in the creation of Salafism Get the answer to that - and you will find the answer to your question..

Answer my bloody questions, my friend!

Tgirl4real: OK. I'm asking . . .

Your chance has gone. You were impatient and married someone else when I was considering you.

I don't know what is wrong with women today. They cannot wait patiently for merely 20 years to court and know each other well. Tschew!

[quote author=pretty_boi]So your "masters" made you believe[/quote]No, my superior intellect to yours makes me believe.

[quote author=Rolling.]You need a brain transplant.Were those bombs and planes to be eaten by Americans ?[/quote]You are a person!

Explain to me the link between what happened in 1979 to what happened in 2001.

shymexx: It seems you don't know about KKK, Zionists and IRA... Go watch movies about KKKs and how they carry the cross everywhere - and kill 'niggers' in the name of Jesus... Zionist kill in the name of mother Israel... Read more, mate..

Fortunately, this is the 21st century. You don't need to just throw opinions you have the means to back it up.

Show me the youtube clips or the credible newspaper reports you that shows these groups kill in the name of Jesus or because they claim their bible told them it is their duty?

I wait.

shymexx: The Nigerian Islamic nonsense is a copycat thing - what do you expect from poor Northern destitute who only do as they're told The ideology is Salafism which was birthed in Saudi Arabia in conjunction with the West...

Why are Yoruba Muslims and Iranians not as crazy as these lot?

My questions to you are these:

Is it because the West, according to you, arm the Salafists that fucktards in Kano or Kaduna kill people because of Miss World?

Is it because the West, according to you, arm the Salafists that fucktards in Egypt kill people because of what a cartoonist drew in Denmark?

I wait.

linearity: ...So what made you think that the death of an ambassador is some sort of 'backfire' and not part of the grand plan? The last time a US ambassador died in similar circumstance was in 1979 in guess, where?, yes it was Afghanistan....fast forward to today...Afghanistan is now a now a target site for all kind of military warfare, weaponry testing, etc...

The US economy is driven by a huge defense complex that profits from wars...infact they welcome world war, because war is a catalyst to grow the economy and can even jolt a country out of recession.

In 2008, the US defense budget was 48% of World defense budgets (Sub-Saharan Africa was 1%, Central/South Asia 2%, Latin America 3%, Russian 5%, Middle East/N. Africa 6%, East Asia/Austria 8%, China 8%, Europe 20%)..

These bombs, war planes, ammunition, grenades, missiles, etc...need to be tested, expended to make room for the next production line...

As we speak, the US Marine are on their way to Libya...

For those who believe in Jesus, the only end to this will be the coming of Jesus Christ and those who do not believe in such thing....world war III will be a welcome relief...whoever emerges the quickest from that war becomes the world defactor king for the next world order....hopefully Nigeria or some other African Country will emerge quicker.

This person linked what happened in 1979 to what happened in 2001 and some people applauded him.

Fck lawd! Why did you put me on the same planet with mooorons!

Why are people this steeeewpid!

[quote author=Rolling.]Did Ghadaffi deserve it ? [/quote]He more than deserved it.

It was a beauty to watch his painful death.

shymexx: There's nothing to think about - they're not demonised because the war isn't against them...

Arabs and Caucasians have been at war since the renaissance..

Have you ever asked yourself why Iran isn't a terrorist country and why there has never been a terrorist of Persian ancestry - despite being the most Islamic country in the world??

Okay, you had your chance to use your brain and you did not.

shymexx: Why are the religions where these different factions of extremists originated from not getting demonised the way Islam is

Explain to me:

When the KKK kill, do they kill you in the name of Jesus or because they claim their bible told them it is their duty?

When the IRA kill, do they kill you in the name of Jesus or because they claim their bible told them it is their duty?

When the Zionists kill, do they kill you in the name of Jesus or because they claim their bible told them it is their duty?

shymexx: Till the West stops arming this Salafists - and using them for their covert and overt regime change everywhere, expect this madness to continue... Blaming all Muslims will just continue to subconsciously force a divide between moderate Muslims and the rest of the world - and isolation can lead to extremism, because it's a lose lose situation...

Don't push a billion strong people into isolation, where they have nothing to lose - if you don't want extremism to increase... That's just my 2cents.

Your opinion is worth less than 2 cents.

Is it because the West, according to you, arm the Salafists that fucktards in Kano or Kaduna kill people because of Miss World?

Is it because the West, according to you, arm the Salafists that fucktards in Egypt kill people because of what a cartoonist drew in Denmark?

abdulkayus: As a muslim, i abhor violence esp if its against d innocent ones. Accordin to d media, d ambassador die frm suffocation due to d burnin. In as much i dont condone violence, ppl shld try and respect other ppl religion sancturies. In eurpoe and US, its a law if u make a holocaust statement against jew, u wil end up in jail and ur career wil jus die, we hav seen examples. We all knw dat muslims love d holy prophet more dan anytin else xcept God, and some are easily prick dat wil restore to violence, so i think dis freedom of speech shld be revisit, it shld stop wen ever it encroach into some1 territory. CIAO

Don't compare it with laws against denying holocaust in the West.

The West do not kill you for making such a statement or send people to kill you if you make the statement abroad or decide to kill innocent people because of the statement another person made.

It was senseless you bringing that point up.

If we were talking about why Middle Eastern countries have blasphemy laws, then your comparison with laws against denying holocaust in the West would be relevant. For this, that ia nonsense analogy.

[quote author=pretty_boi]Well said. A lot of people don't know how terrible,wicked & selfish that country called u.s.a is. I'm not a Muslim & I'm also not Arab, I'm proudly Christian,African & Nigerian but I like to be logical & rational rather than be sentimental. U.S. cooked up so many lies last year so they could attack Gaddafi,a lot of blind people bought their lies & they killed Gaddafi & Libya that was a relatively peaceful & calm country under Gaddafi's government today is headed towards being another Iraq. U.s. has done these same things in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya etc & see how all these countries always turned out eventually- CHAOS. Now the same u.s. wants to turn Syria up-side-down. Also,it's the same thing they are trying to do in Iran & I'm afraid if they push Iran to the limit there might be another world war. I really get disgusted by u.s.a.'s bully & poke-nosing attitude & so any time it backfires against them I don't feel pity or compassion.[/quote]In which country do you live?

shymexx: Why are the religions where these different factions of extremists originated from not getting demonised the way Islam is

Till the West stops arming this Salafists - and using them for their covert and overt regime change everywhere, expect this madness to continue... Blaming all Muslims will just continue to subconsciously force a divide between moderate Muslims and the rest of the world - and isolation can lead to extremism, because it's a lose lose situation...

Don't push a billion strong people into isolation, where they have nothing to lose - if you don't want extremism to increase... That's just my 2cents.

I will give you a chance to review this and think why those other factions religion is not demonised.

Let me know when you have finished.

TV01: To the convo;

Indeed marriage is not by force, but outside of a relationship with ones Maker (if one believes), marriage is mankinds central relationship and key to society. My point was that you should tell Saga why you thought it such a worthwhile endeavour, and what if any are the benefits/blessings.

As for The Apostle Pauls case - and a few others - there are only ever a few reasons, a few times and a few people who are not eligible, disqualified or should refrain from the blessings of marriage. I believe with the right mindset, Saga could make a good husband and father. As we all know, berra husbands no be beans.

Kind regards
TV

Hmm!

I think I would go with parent-offspring is mankind's central relationship. Marriage is important but I think it is less important than that.

debrief08: About talking to Saga, I will say Saga is an adult and when he meets the right one he will be the one screaming marriage marriage.

Ehn! Er ma wo eleyi (make una dey look this one o).

See wetin e dey talk o.

Na beans? Abi na akara?

Nah! She would ask and then I would consider it and then mentally be like "Well, Okay. If that is what she wants".

wonlasewonimi: In IT matters and probably business generally, you don't engage in fight to finish with someone who's got nothing to lose.

If there is a serious virus that can make your PC useable and you need to replace it, then you can lose.

Katsumoto: I can't disagree with what you wrote but something to ponder.

We have to be pragmatic in our thinking and actions rather than ideological.

Irresponsible and unguarded comments and actions have led to the the deaths of many, including in places like Nigeria.

Will condemning the actions of a savagery bunch of religious fundamentalists bring back those that have died?

Will it prevent further savagery and deaths in the future?

In the mean time, life moves on, the dead are forgotten by all except their loved ones.

Until the cycle repeats itself. Islamic leaders haven't shown the desire to dissociate Islam from such medieval violence and until they do, the rest of society must be pragmatic and sensible.

I place such a high value on human life that I believe that, if other things must give, for life to be spared, then so be it. Particularly, when that life is that of an innocent bystander, in the right place at the wrong time.

In any case, we are yet to see the 'brave' idiots who make incendiary speeches, movies, cartoons facing Muslims. If they believe so much in the points that they want to make, then they should responsibly make such comments in Islamic countries where they become the targets rather than innocent bystanders.

Agreed!

Absolutely well said.

We have to get tired of barbaric reactions from one group all the time though.

shymexx: But has anyone ever labelled these different groups as "extremists" and demonise their religions, the way everyone demonises Islam?? I'm not an Islam apologist and I'm also not a big fan of the religion(or any religion) - but it seems Islam is the only religion that's getting the wrong side of the stick...

No 1,

You are telling me people do not label IRA as extremists?

You are telling me people do not label KKK as extremists?

You are telling me people do not label Zionists as extremists?

No 2,

Why do you think Islam is the one always getting majority of the stick?

You think people just feeeeeeeel like picking on them? They just wake up in the morning and say "let me pick on Islam/Muslims"? Or there is plenty overwhelming reasons why they get the stick?