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shymexx: Extremism comes in different ways in all the religions... In Islam, their extremism is about Muhammad. In Christianity, it comes in different forms, from racism(KKK), to IRA type of extremism, and anti-immigration type of extremism - and I don't need to remind you that the tea-party members in America are Christian extremists as well... In Judaism, the zionists are the extremists - and I don't see any outcry when Palestinian women and children are bombed almost everyday by zionists...

Extremism is in all religion - but we've been indoctrinated so bad, that we all love to do selective reading...

And your point is?

Who told you there is no outcry when Zionists kill Palestinians?

There is no outcry when KKK/IRA or whatever kill people?

What is your point? Why are you telling me this crap?

maclatunji: The fact that you have to resort to insults to buttress your arguments make you unworthy of my time outside of this post on this thread.
You have been noticed, now buzz-off.

Make sense and I will not need to call you moronic.

Otherwise shut up.

maclatunji: When these guys were fighting Gadaffi, they weren't Islamists but "Freedom Fighters" and "Rebels". Now that they are attacking Americans they have become "Islamists".

I laugh in Korean.

This is a moronic statement.

It is not the individual you look at to judge what people are, it is the ideology.

When they were fighting Gadaffi, they were fighting for power.

When they were fighting the West like this, the are fighting in the name of religion.

So the same individual can be both a Rebel and an later be an Islamist.

Pure common sense!

This is as silly as saying a Doctor that becomes an MP cannot be called a politician, they must always be called a medical practitioner.

Katsumoto: At what price do Western democracies promote unrestricted freedom of speech?

At the price of death of innocent people? Why is it that those who make incendiary comments about religious icons don't die but rather the innocent?

It is cowardly and inhumane to make a movie or cartoon or anything else for that matter about a prophet that is worshiped by several millions of people globally from the comfort and safety of your environment, be it the US or Denmark, when you know that innocent people in far away and fragile places will pay the price for your actions.

Partially agreed.

I do think fundamental blame should lie with the people or teaching that are not civilised enough to respond with violence.

Other religions and their icons get ridiculed frequently and yet we do not get these periodical and moronic savage responses.

Others get agree and shout, then leave it.

We must never tolerate savagery even if done in the name of religion.

MRbrownJAY: BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED

This is where me and Seun are fundamentally different.

He is someone that is aiming to spoil his business:

https://www.nairaland.com/savedbreak/posts

Someone that has been banned for doing something the owner of the forum finds unacceptable but yet creates a new user-name and is trying his best to be a nuisance and damage the interest of the owner.

Seun would rather take and approach that is hard work, i.e. repeated bans, all in the name of tolerance and liberality.

If I was the one, I would explore if I can invest in buying a special virus, which I can send to his computer and highjack it to the point 100% of his CPU is in use once he turns it on.

By the time he has to spend hundreds of pound for a new laptop after the old one becomes useable, he would never mess with me callously again.

Never take BS from ediots.

MRbrownJAY: ^^ at last we are getting somewhere....ok focus on the bolded for a second:



now, THINK THINK THINK........ what i wrote clearly states that: if a man chooses the wrong mate then he blames HIMSELF, and if he does a mistake then he blames HIMSELF. so, if you are the partner of the offending person, then THAT person (your offending partner) should be blamed (like i have stated already a 1000times, and certainly not God). now, tell us all how you can still bark, while you are saying EXACTLY what i have been saying all along?!

yet you come here praising yourself of having a "superior" brain?! a "superior" comedian is what you are! LOL!

Err! Is this what oyinbo calls afterthought?

MRbrownJAY: since you (Saga) is adamant that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

MRbrownJAY: .......that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

MRbrownJAY: .......that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

MRbrownJAY: .......that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

MRbrownJAY: .......that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

MRbrownJAY: .......that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....

Da-dawn!

Stop trying it.

Worse still, none of your pathetic rants and attempts to twist defends you pathetic claim I said none of the participants should be blamed. That is the core thing you need to be explaining if you are so keen on defending your thinking.

Are you saying you do not lack comprehension?

Again, utter violence in the name of Islam.

Muslims need to convene and find a solution to this their number one problem.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]we do need any white peoples. end of the story. you have always brought trpouble upon us. ALL OF YOU! either payback, or else just LEAVE. we dont need any empty apologies. weneed the money, the culture, the relgigion, the resources, the slaves, etc back. only then can you expect equal terms and conditions from us.[/quote]So just the way they cannot tell you to leave their country and society as well?

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^ then when i wrote the below statement, you should have said THANK YOU YOUR HIGHNESS, and end it there:

ROFLMAO!!!

You sure are delusional!

You are just pathetic!

Why should I thank you for regurgitating a correction [size=16pt]I[/size] gave you?

Here is what you said pre-correction: "if your union is great then blame YOURSELF for it, and if it is NOT great then equally blame YOURSELF for making the wrong choices OR not behaving right".

It is like Messi teaching a division 3 player how to do leg-over dribble, and after he gets to know how to, he is asking Messi to thank him for doing it.

Admit you lack comprehension and thank me for making your logic water-tight.

You know I never said none of the participants should be blamed? That was why you could not show it?

MRbrownJAY: since you (Saga) is adamant that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....(thats the reason why you came to bark on this thread, right?)........ therefore I (MBJ) asked you a very simple question: "if none of the participants can be blamed, like I (MBJ) have been saying all along, then who is to be blamed"?

So I think we can come to conclusion that you are the one that lacks comprehension.

You claim both participants should be blamed for failed relationship. I corrected you and stated sometimes, one participant is blame-free, while the other takes all the blame.

I gave TWO good examples: The girl/pastor and you/BA.

In both examples, one participant (the girl or you) are blame free because you have done everything rational and expected to be safe and, due to human limitations, there are some things beyond you capabilities.

The other participants (Pastor or BA) should take the sole blame.

Hence your inconclusive and incomprehensive logic of stating we should always blaming both participants is weak. Your logical thinking is weak and not up to those in the Apex of intellect league.

Take it with grace and stop trying to lie on people.

I never said none of the participants should be blamed. I said sometimes one participant is blame-free. You just lack comprehension because the fear of my intellect gets you all bothered, sweaty and confused.

Bawss1: Right now this argument is pedantic.

I agree with the theme of MBJ's comments that it is not the Almighty that should be blamed if a marriage fails.

People in this part of the world are quick to call on the Creator in every matter but under close observation it is just a way of shifting responsibility from themselves.

I agreed with it but still helped him patch up the holes in his logical thinking to make it water-tight.

Instead of being grateful for the correction, his ego got the better of him.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^again dear NLers, here is a clue that the Pitbull named Saga has no valid point, so he will bring back his pitch ON and ON and ON....as he has nothing meaningfull to say about the discussion at hand....he just wants to have the last word.

any person with a brain will understand the question from my last post, but not the Pitbull, oh NO! and since he doesnt accept it, he will bring it ON and ON and ON and ON just to drag the matter. thats the way the man works, you only have to check threads where he has been outsmarted by someone, thats his way of saying:" ok i have nothing to say and you really got me to shut it, but since i am a Pitbull, i will bring BS points and hope that you get tired and stop replying".......... but dont worry guys, i have exactly what he needs....

@saga
here is my reply to you (MBJ input his generic reply to saga's generic question):

since you (Saga) is adamant that I (MBJ) is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD....(thats the reason why you came to bark on this thread, right?)........ therefore I (MBJ) asked you a very simple question: "if none of the participants can be blamed, like I (MBJ) have been saying all along, then who is to be blamed"?

Just show where I said none of the participants should be blamed. Or admit you lack comprehension.

SHOW!

It is simple.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^ again, we can clearly see that the "Pitbull" is cornered, but he is not going to let go that easily, so let us all go back to the BS he is trying to confuse us with:

- MBJ is saying that participants in a marriage should be blamed in a failed union, not God......

- SAGA comes up with some BS issues about people being manipulatives etc

- so MBJ tells him that whether you blame yourself or that other person, IT DOESNT MATTER as you still blame the participants of that union AND NOT God.

- so SAGA (being the pitbull that he is) comes up with some BS words trying to say that he is right, when we can all confirm by what i wrote in my earlier post that he isnt.

- MBJ can clearly see that SAGA is going around instead of confirming that he is saying what MBJ is saying.....and since Mr Saga is adamant that MBJ is wrong when saying that BOTH PARTICIPANTS SHOULD BE BLAMED, AND NOT GOD, therefore MBJ asks him a very simple question: "if none of the participants can be blamed (like MBJ have been saying all along), then who is to be blamed",

- now this is where the crazy comes out of the box and flips that "superior" brain of his, and comes up with the dumbest reply in the world (that he will use as his equally dumbest pitch): "show me where i said none of the participants should be blamed?! lol

and again, dear NLers, you have been shown the type of "superior" brain the fella called SAGA claims to have. lol!

- MBJ said:

MRbrownJAY: lol saga and his narrow minded logic..........again, if none of the participants can be blamed then who is to be blamed then?

MBJ, show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed. Or admit you lack comprehension.

Who is cornered? Me or you?

You love claiming imaginary things in your mind.

[size=18pt]MBJ, show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed.[/size]

MRbrownJAY: lol, Saga and his narrow minded state of mind trying his hardest to show the world that he is smart.....
ok, let us try to improve that "superior" mind of his........

MBJ says:
"if your union is great then blame YOURSELF for it, and if it is NOT great then equally blame YOURSELF for making the wrong choices OR not behaving right."

at that point Saga (and his "superior brain" ) should have understood that when i say blame YOURSELF, i mean YOU as the participants....but i guess he is slow so he replied:

"There are actually situations where you should not and cannot blame yourself and instead should blame your partner for it. Things can go out of one's control due to perfectly normal human limitations."

i guess his "superior" mind was on safe mode at the time, and he doesnt know that if you choose a partner with weaknesses then why shouldnt you be blamed, if that person fail on these same weaknesses?! so i made it clear to him, so that he could shut it (but we all know how Saga works by now), so i wrote:

"if a person chose a weak partner, then they should equally blame themselves for making the wrong choices, when that said r/ship failed due to these same weakness."

but we know Saga now.....so he shifts the goal post and come up with some new concept, and says:

"Sometimes someone can pick another person that can be pretentious and manipulative to achieve a goal. Saying and doing the right thing all through. Then they abuse the trust when they want to.
Or maybe they were not even pretentious and manipulative but their values changed midway into the relationship.
You can't blame yourself for that because it is not everything one can know about someone that does these. You blame the abuser of the trust. "

we can clearly see that Saga is now tryng to pick some holes where there aint any by saying that "ONLY" the failing participant should be blamed AND that you may NOT be aware of their weaknesses (aka trying to mix up the two issues)...... but does that change the fact that i have been saying all along that the participants should be blamed AND NOT God?! of course not, but this is Saga we are talking about, lol. so i made it clear to him by replying:

of course some of the blame has to do with the weakness or craziness of that other person, but that shouldnt take away the fact that you made the wrong choices when choosing them OR that God is responsible for it.

if she was hiding her true self then blame yourself equally for being fooled by this cunning person......and if your partner changed midway through the union and doesnt want to take part in it any longer, then again THAT person should be blamed and certainly NOT God.

remember, when i say blame yourself, i mean YOU as the participants, instead of blaming God.

that was when Saga should have said thank you and bye, but again, we are talking of a Pitbull type of mentality here, so he comes back with this very poor statement:

"I am telling you there are situations where the person has no blame, they are just unfortunate and all blame should go to their partners."

now let's quickly go back to what i'd just wrote in the previous message:

"if she was hiding her true self then blame yourself equally for being fooled by this cunning person......and if your partner changed midway through the union and doesnt want to take part in it any longer, then again THAT person should be blamed and certainly NOT God."

here is a clear way to show you how confused some people on NL are and how their confused brain work......i say something VERY SPECIFIC in plain English, and yet he has the audacity to come up with exactly the same point as a reply, but yet tells us all that he is NOT saying the same thing as i do. lol! PRICELESS!!

VERBOSITY AND DODGING THE QUESTION!

https://www.nairaland.com/878081/nigerian-billionaire-battles-british-wife/18#11885886

Those are the same tactics you tried to employ when you could not proof your assertion that Brazil is part of the West, or Murray is not a successful tennis player or when asked if wives contribute more than parents.

Instead of all this long, diversion tactics, show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed.

You can't be allowed to make accusations you can't back up when you face Saga Saga.

When you make an assertion, be damn ready to back it up. This is the apex of the intellectual league you are engaging with.

TV01: 1. "It is not by force"? Yet you did it twice? What is it about marriage that makes it a such worthwhile endeavour? Please share.

Because she did it twice is not evidence it is by force.

I go on holiday to Vietnam and get robbed at gun point but yet I decide that was just unfortunate and go again the next year does not mean going to Vietnam is by force. It just means I like it there. Others might not and will not go.

TV01: 2. Ask bro' Saga about his lifestyle and relationship with - respect for - women. Is it Pauline? or even Christian in nature? After all you started with scripture. Presumably you profess Christianity?

I will answer that.

My relationship with women is what can be termed reciprocal-reactivical. I treat them the way they deserve to be treated based on their personalities.

https://www.nairaland.com/969496/men-it-love-acts#11176666

If a girl is giving good and positive signals, I respond with good and positive signals. They are not entitled to it, they have to earn it or earn the retention of its default provision.

TV01: Not solely - or even primarily - a product of environmental influences. Otherwise you cede all hope. I never advocated ignoring them. Simply find someone whose worldview made the more debilitating environmental influences less relevant.

I get your point, I lived that same life and have had that same experience. Due to an inclement environment, do we chuck in the towel? We forego marriage or having kids? The imperatives or goals don't change, we simply adapt how we go about them. Strong marriages, well raised children.

It's not so much the application of intellect that is the issue here, it's rather of failing to understand - even strip out - the essence off what marriage is and entails. Almost like saying EI make it hard to marry a woman, so I'll marry a sheep. That is not marriage.

Still do't get it do you? Marriage is not 1. solely - or even primarily about "You" and never transactional. No connfuse am with runs.
If you are so talented - read wealthy - surely you recoup any loss?

I am not far off that myself . And for us mere mortals the passing of time is apparent way before that .

I'd rather it didn't come to that.

How bodi? Any progress? I know it's not easy finding someone worthy .


Best
TV

You are wrong!

Environment is a KEY PRIMARY determinant of virtually all human behaviours and approach.

The evidence of that is abundant. From those that see it as acceptable to perform honour killing, to those that will not solve their problem with their brains and go and give money to pastors for "spiritual intervention", to those that will think it is okay to loot a bit as long as you perform, to those that think they make sense by saying they are liberal/conservative instead of adjusting their views as required etc.

I think you have failed to understand what marriage is now, based on the new environment.

You are right in saying that my approach is Logical-Transactional. Hell yeah it is. It is the most sensible thing to do considering the risk and consequence of the risk in the pertinent environment.

I find it a struggle to comprehend how you can condemn that approach and think your Snakes-and-Ladders approach to marriage makes more sense.

A throw of the dice can never make more sense than application of logic and control. In the first place, there is no sense being applied in the former, just a dependence on fate.

Honestly, please educate me on the painful dawn you think awaits me if I don't marry or marry soon. I am interested in knowing.

You made a statement that lacked logical conclusivity and comprehensiveness, I made a statement to correct it and complete its logicality.

https://www.nairaland.com/1041204/steps-getting-married/3#12137883

Simple!

Accept it and learn. But "No", your ego would not allow you so you bring your "I no go gree" attitude like a MEND militant.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^hahahaha we all know that the bashing you got on the divorce thread is what makes you hunt me^(and a few others) in NL for another discussion, so you can try to get your "glory" back, lol! try harder playa! just let it go, bwaaaaaah!

as i know that you are just going to go in circles and ask the same dumb question on and on, as you ALWAYS do, i will rightfully bow out, as i have no time to waste on you this beautiful morning.

so here is a summary about what i have been writing all along (since your "superior" brain is on vacation):
ONLY THE PARTICIPANTS OF A FAILED UNION SHOULD BE BLAMED, NOT GOD!!!!

and this post doesnt require a reply from you.

Show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed. Who lacks comprehension, me or you?

You cannot be allowed to go around claiming people lack comprehension when you are the one that does.

You cannot be allowed to go around claiming you won an argument when you are the one that was battered.

You can make this very short and less painful by just admitting the fear of my intellect gets you all bothered, sweaty and confused to the point you struggle to comprehend small posts.

It takes nothing from you and it is not something to be ashamed of because many people have the same response.

It is a normal human reaction, when people are scared, comprehension and coordination skills decrease sharply. You are only human!

MRbrownJAY: ^^^nah, its definitely not a fight, just another debate that Saga is trying to stir, to get back on his pedestal!

No, Saga made a simple correction. MBJ could not take it with grace either due to his ego or lack of comprehension (or both). It is that simple.

Now due to that ego, MBJ has got himself in a jam again.

Your ego is the problem. I said it all before:

https://www.nairaland.com/878081/nigerian-billionaire-battles-british-wife/19#11924662

You need to start accepting when people far smarter than you say something, you should learn from it and shove the ego.

Show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed. Who lacks comprehension, me or you?

MRbrownJAY: @Saga
ok let me help you once again:
MBJ is saying all along that THE PARTICIPANTS OF MARRIAGE SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THE FAILURE OF THAT SAID MARRIAGE, no one else.
suddenly Saga comes here with some nonsense post but says he isnt saying exactly what i am saying.......so my question to you is/was: WHPO IS TO BE BLAMED IF NOT THE PARTICIPANTS?! and now he goes on his BS run around once again.
oh lawd Saga!

so the question remains: if you believe that you are NOT saying what I (MBJ) is saying then WHO IS TO BE BLAMED IF NOT THE PARTICIPANTS?!

Story.

Before we go into this and I correct you, show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed. Who lacks comprehension, me or you?

You can't strawman me.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^ you are clearly failing...... and because you do so, i will post again what i wrote earlier because you dont deserve an answer.......


now tell us all smart Mr: who should be blamed if not you or your partner?!

Haba, MBJ!

M to the B to the J!

Bros, that no be wetin I ask you na!

A whole MBJ Logica!

What I asked you was to show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed so we can confirm you are capable of comprehension when reading.

Then you bring all this rubbish and then say it is me that is "failing".

You want to use the same "I no go gree" mentality that you use to claim you won me in an argument when I humiliated your asss senseless?

Lets do it again, bros. Prove your aptitude for comprehension.

Show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed.

We are waiting. MBJ comprehension!

panafrican: South africans are A-FRI-CANS, as such they have the full rights to voice their opinions on any african forum about any topic,domestic or not. One may not agree with some south africans supporting the mining company and south african cops, but No-one should deny them the rights to say what they feel and think, because people from the same region in the same country exchange harsh words anyway. It is not a new thing.

I sometimes can say "PanAfrican Forces gonna push you guys into the cold south pole sea", but this just a joke ! Nothing should be taken that seriously.

You are a person!

Why is it only Africans that can comment on a Nigerian forum?

Why should a South African have full rights to comment on a Naija or Togolese forum but a British person should not?

Rudimentary-thinking person!

If an European country says only fellow whites are allowed to come to their country, it is this same mooron that would be screaming racism.

MRbrownJAY: lol saga and his narrow minded logic..........again, if none of the participants can be blamed then who is to be blamed then?

You honestly lack comprehension!

Show me where I said none of the participants should be blamed.

That is the same moronic way you alleged I accused you of saying assets pre-marriage should be shared.

Maybe the fear of my intellect gets you all bothered, sweaty and confused to the point you struggle to comprehend small posts.

So, I wait. Show me where I said no participant should be blamed.

God2man: @mrbrownjay, since you are not legally married, i think it is not logical to convince people that God should not be involved in an ancient institution called marriage, or are you an"ex"?.

The home is the foundation. The real home is built by man and woman join together in marriage. A strong nationhood is built in the home. The greatness of every nation begin at home. The home is the foundation of a great nation. When you do not have a home, ( it is not house, house is not the home, a big building does not make a home) a home where the character of the future leaders are formed by the parent in a godly way. If you do not have a home acording to my definition,then you need to have a re-think.

However, the enemy of the soul of a man, the devil hates Godly home with perfect hatred, he has worked really hard to the extent that marriage is becoming hell on earth, but that does not mean that there are no happy homes, many people are enjoying their union, while others are enduring it.

According to sagamite, we are limited, we are prone to error, we make mistakes. Working very hard is good, but that is not to say we will succeed. We need something extraordinary, and because the world is a mysterious place, we need a spiritual intervention in all our endeavours to succeed in life. This is the reason why we pray, we fast, we praise GOD, we are not the owner of this world, the creator, GOD has the whole world in his hand, and he can do whatever he likes with it. Through obedience and walking in his ways, we can always ask him to help us. GOD.

So, the truth is, we cannot hide our relationship from God, whether we bring God to it or we push him aside, he can see everything. He has already given us the inner police called conscience, we know the difference between good and bad, we know. We pretend that all is well, but the conscience will always come and say, do you think what you are doing is right? Of course, we will argue and get ahead anyway.

At the end of the day, we are going to bring all our relationship naked before him. Whether we like it or not.


God bless you.
God2man.

Apart from the part of referring to Sagamite and home being a foundation, what a whole load of tosh.

I wonder why God is not intervening in your religiously crazy country/continent where failure is the norm but yet the nations that don't give a hoot about religion are advancing.

Don't sit down and use your brain and be waiting for spiritual intervention.

Utter tosh!

MRbrownJAY: if you have anything to add to the question as to why God shouldnt be mentionned when stalking about STEPS TO GET MARRIED then bring them on, as what you wrote made ABSOLUTELY no sense to that particular subject.

yet, your "superior brain" made you write gibberish as an answer to what i wrote?!
bro Saga, there is no shame in saying that you want to argue with me and my "inferior brain" as you claim......but take you time, some day i will allow you that pleasure, until then, you better STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!!

yet, your "superior" eyes, attached to your "Superior" head which house your "superior" brain, COULDNT UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE REPLY TO A SIMPLE QUESTION?!
i suggest you quickly use your "superior" legs to run to some "superior" store, and buy some "superior" toilet paper, to wipe the "superior" shiit that is clouding you obvious "superior" judgment, lol!

superior indeed!

I am not adding anything to the question, I am correcting you.

Simples!

You said: "if your union is great then blame YOURSELF for it, and if it is NOT great then equally blame YOURSELF for making the wrong choices OR not behaving right".

And I corrected that part of your logic by stating that there are cases you cannot blame the person. That is not gibberish, that is superior thinking. Your logic is inconclusive and incomprehensive. I showed you how it can be made conclusive and comprehensive by imitating my apex-superior logical process.

Take the free education with grace. I am benevolent with my superiority. Be grateful!

MRbrownJAY: then why bother replying, if you dont know the context in which that answer was made?! are you simply hell bent on trying to get back at me for humiliating you on that other thread?! lol!

THE WHOLE ISSUE IS ABOUT PEOPLE BRINGING GOD TO MATTER SUCH AS THE CHOICE OF A MARRIAGE PARTNER....reply to that or stay spying in the dark with your fake profiles!

i suggest you read again why i wrote what i wrote, and reply accordingly, OR open a new thread and put your query to the whole NL posters......... instead of coming up with BS issues here! i know you are dying to get into another discussion with his highness MBJ (lol), but this is not the time playa!

I did not reply.

I simply added to an inconclusive and incomprehensive logic.

That is what I do on NL. I read people's post line-by-line and evaluate the logic to correct it or part of it where necessary.

That is a privilege I am afforded due to my God-given superior brain.

I am lecturing you on how to present logically tight posts. Accept the education with grace.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^ of course some of the blame has to do with the weakness or craziness of that other person, but that shouldnt take away the fact that you made the wrong choices when choosing them OR that God is responsible for it.

if she was hiding her true self then blame yourself equally for being fooled by this cunning person......and if your partner changed midway through the union and doesnt want to take part in it any longer, then again THAT person should be blamed and certainly NOT God.

remember, when i say blame yourself, i mean YOU as the participants, instead of blaming God.

I never said anyone should blame God.

I am telling you there are situations where the person has no blame, they are just unfortunate and all blame should go to their partners.

If a young woman is looking to get married and unlike her peers she is determined not to go for a bad boy and will only marry a good man. She attends church regularly and focuses mainly on only men that are religiously dedicated, not the "I just wan show face". And during her numerous church goings she meets and gets to know one of the young and most respected pastors in the church. Everyone sees him as a good guy and he has no history of wrong doing, just an extended history of good behaviour.

She dates him for a good 2 years and he respects her and treats her right and then they marry. Then after 3 years of marriage, she finds out he has just impregnated the housegirl and also another 18-year old church goer. Do you say she takes the blame for her choice? No. She has done everything rational to make sure her choice was good. The whole blame lies with the pastor that changed.

She is human and has human limitations. She cannot predict the future or enter people's minds. She has to make decisions based on the limited information and resources she has. As long as she has done that well, she has no blame.

If you take your child to the airport to travel on holiday, you avoid all the useless airlines and only elect BA because of reputation, and after take off the plane crashes 3 hours into the flight because of some minor fault BA thought best not to reveal because of the financial impact and as it was judged not to be a completely pertinent danger. Do you blame yourself for your choice and for falling for their cunning ways? Or do you heap all blame on BA?

MRbrownJAY: ^^ so long as such people dont blame God for their misfortune then you are simply saying what i am saying (in Saga's language).
if a person chose a weak partner, then they should equally blame themselves for making the wrong choices, when that said r/ship failed due to these same weakness.

No. We are saying different things.

Sometimes someone can pick another person that can be pretentious and manipulative to achieve a goal. Saying and doing the right thing all through. Then they abuse the trust when they want to.

Or maybe they were not even pretentious and manipulative but their values changed midway into the relationship.

You can't blame yourself for that because it is not everything one can know about someone that does these. You blame the abuser of the trust.

Take your pick:

- Selfishness (Me, me, me)
- Religious fanatism
- GBWA (Ghetto Black Woman Aggression - rude, classlessness, lack of social & communication skills)
- Frequent arguments
- Over-neediness
- Airheadedness
- L'Orealism (A sense of entitlement based on gender rights)
- Hollywoodism (Thinking what you want me to want in a relationship is what I should want, instead of working out what I want)

MRbrownJAY: ^^^people are quick to say that God must bless a marriage for it to work....and we all know that this is BS!!!!
PEOPLE SHOULD ACT RIGHT for any union to work, and thats ALL it takes. too many bible pushers are deluded in saying that if a marriage work then thats because God blessed it, and as soon as it fails, then God had no part in it....bloody hypocrites!

if your union is great then blame YOURSELF for it, and if it is NOT great then equally blame YOURSELF for making the wrong choices OR not behaving right.
anyway, how could anyone confirm that God blessed any union? because some BS pastor said so...... because it felt right.......because your parents blessed it.....because the guy is rich.....?

here is something very simple to understand about this God's blessing BS: if God has no power over Satan's work, therefore God could bless a union today, and then Satan will come and scatter it next week (simply by using the weakness of man). so God's blessing has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the success or failure of any marriage, it is all down to that ONE individual who decided to listen to Satan's calling (like Eve), and mess up!

this is just another one of the "bible pushers and fake pastors" tricks to have you hoodwinked and believe that anything that failed in life is because it wasnt blessed by God.
i guess if we listen to these thieves in robes we should now say that the creation of Eve wasnt blessed by God because Satan's calling was too strong for her to dismiss?! it makes NO DAMN SENSE!!!!!!!

There are actually situations where you should not and cannot blame yourself and instead should blame your partner for it. Things can go out of one's control due to perfectly normal human limitations.

Just saying!

namfav: will it be possible to own a house with no land? land is one thing which is shared no one person has possession of the vast land, you will talk but it is not your own land

So since it is not possible to own a house without land, and the land is owned by Allah, then deductively, you don't own the house since you don't own the land it is on?

Secondly, what philosophy did you use to arrive at the conclusion it is okay to own a house but not own a land?