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This is mere imagination.

Interesting!

Rest in peace King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz. Yours isn't an untimely death though.

79 years crown prince Salman takes over.
60 years old Moqren abdulaziz becomes crown prince.
The Al Saud family is blessed with long live. I love that.

May he rest in peace. He's been hospitalised for few weeks now and the crown prince was more like the acting king all along, now he can officially take over.

ekochris:
who cares?

I do.

greetings:
First of all, this is a relation of an event that happened by the prophet Muhammad s.a.w, he knew that they were sitting down beside the kaaba, even though it wasnt an actual HOUSE then,.thats one.

Two, prophet Ibrahim A.S might av been priviledged to know by Allah that that spot or place he left hajar n ismail was going to be built by them in future as the sacred house of Allah. N theres no contradiction because even the story clearly states and i quote "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The Angel said to her: "Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people." The House (i.e. Kaaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left."
Meaning there was no HOUSE BUILT YET.
So where are the contradictions? You simply didnt read or understand the story well. Then ask question directly not just claim what was nt there.

Please, dont bring common sense into the quran and hadith interpretations. Because i could start in what you believe is your bilble too. To me, it could say if the bible says this then common sense should tell christians so so so. Thats wrong my brother, i find it insulting,respect my religion as i respect yours, its what i believe in and thats what you believe. Thats why its called FAITH!

Again,please i always advice people that really want to understand or learn more about our belief to start from the Quran itself the transliterated copy. I bet you its more educative than this online arguements and all.
Thanks

There was already a Kabba there "resembling" a hillock before Abraham came.

Remind me again, did Abraham build a kabba or he renovated an existing one? oh I forgot, he left and never looked back in obedience to Allah, find another excuse!

bn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

Is it just me or did any other person notice the glaring lies in the hadith above?

First the quote said Abraham brought ishmael and his mother to Mecca when Ishmael was still suckling, dropped them and left. Common sense can deduce that if muslims believed that Abraham and Ishmael actually built the Kabba, then that would be much later when Ishmael must have grown up, not when he was still suckling yet this hadith said Abraham made the child and his mother sit down under tree near Kabba, as he was going he also turned and faced the Kabba while praying. And stated clearly that he set them near "thy sacred house" (that means the kabba was already a sacred house of God when Abraham and Ishmael came) Yet that place was said to be empty with no one living there.

Now the question is,
If this was Abraham's first visit and there was already a kabba for him to face and pray, who built the Kabba?

If Abraham left and didn't look back in obedience to Allah, isn't it clear he didn't build any kabba with Ishmael since Ishael was still a child who couldn't even fend for himself?

Funny a kabba was already there when Abraham came yet no one lives there.

Idon't even want to talk about the fact that Ishmael wasn't a suckling child when he was sent away. Ishmael was born to Abraham when he was 86 years old while Isaac was born when he was 100 years of age and it was after then ishmael and hagar were sent out. But that would be comparing the Bible and koran.
Now even from the Koran and hadith alone, the story didn't ad up.

This hadith reeks of contradictions!

This was one of the reasons I caution against using the hadith in my earlier post.

PastorKun:
He might be in a position to pay him after he finishes extorting first fruits from his muguns this january.

Lol bros you dey vex o.

But seriously I don't expect him to owe for so long, he should just do the needful

Yeah, why won't he, when he is yet to pay SirJohn

Na who count am?

Abuamam:
-That was just one incident of a narration of 5verses in Surat al Alaq.

I really don't know what the above means, I already know it is in the quran that's why I asked

The Qur'an was revealed over a total of 23years... enough time for a refutation to occur, but was not forthcoming.

What type of refutation if I may ask, I know even after 23 years, there are people who don't believe him and keep refuting him till date by comparing his prophecy to existing ones.

-Yes, the angel was seen by the companions on different occasions. Many hadith exist of one companion or the other seeing Jubril, and even hearing lessons on Islam from him. Reference the hadith of Umar ibn alKhattab for example, when the angel came to teach them the pillars of their religion... among others.

Now this is one point where I marvel at the muslims way of seeing things, for instance, the muslims believe only the koran is the pure word of God and even go as far as challenging the christians that the bible isn't entirely the word of God, but on a closer look, you discover the muslims will always fall back to the hadith which is entirely the word of man to justify the koran. That's to say the koran alone doesn't have all the proof save it is complemented by the hadith (the word of man) if that is so, even if they try to present them as different books, they still combine the word of God and that of man to proof themselves.

Again a lot of controversies surround the different existing hadiths that all muslims don't seem to agree on them.
So I will prefer you stick to the koran because if we add the hadith, we may begin to dig other things.

Talking of Gabriel speaking to Mohammed or the people, I believe the said Gabriel didn't identify himself as Gabriel when he met the prophet till waraqa told mohammed so. Then Gabriel took up the name given to him by waraqa (a man who didn't see him or witness the incidence) even though Angel Gabriel is not "the secret keeper" as wrongly asserted by waraqa.

-There were other signs of his prophethood as well; his total honesty for all his life, whereby even his enemies would keep their money safely with him (such a man would not lie),

Honesty is not a characteristics possessed only by prophet, I still remember a man from my maternal home whom everyone can attest to his honesty in life even after his death, his sincerity is legendary even though he was a pagan all his life. Does that make him a prophet too.
You also made the post below

"The devil does not care about his apology to his wife, if it makes his message more credible. The man can be led to behave like a saint, if Satan thinks it can mislead more people to the fire.

Is this not also applicable to Mohammed's character?

his ability to perform beneficial miracles, his prophetic manners, his ability to predict things that would happen in future, in a clear, specific and unambiguous manner; even many that are happening today...

Didn't Mohammed himself state clearly that he can't perform miracles? What miracles are you now talking about?

15 centuries later. His standing miracle; the Qur'an which till today could not be matched in its beauty or form. It is totally free from contradictions and errors, and has not failed in a single prediction.

You saw the koran as a miracle, I don't, there isn't anything spectacular about it, it's just like any other book(s) believed to be scriptures or even less.
Talking about predictions, ...you called them predictions and that's what they are, many other people have made predictions that came to pass yet that doesn't make them prophet or mean it was truly revealed to them by some angels and that of mohammed is just one of them.

You see, we take his life as a whole to see what kind of greatness he possessed.

If we are to actually review his entire life, we may end up seeing more reasons to believe his was only hallucinating like he usual did from childhood.

Now looking closely at what you have written so far, you will agree with me that you saying muslims don't believe in visions isn't correct and you are gradually shifting post.

Well I am making this post, not to discredit islam or Mohammed but to make you realise that almost every organised religion today is a product of vision and faith and that includes islam.

Abuamam:
The motto of a muslim would be:

"Bring forth your evidence, if you are truthful" Q2:111

The Revelations brought by the prophet (saw)?
Those were backed by thousands of witnesses and the everlasting beauty and logic of the Qur'an evident even today. Even his enemies witnessed his deeds, and confessed to the righteousness of that which he preached. Were it not so, no one would have accepted his message.

Not someone just saying whatever he wants and we all go ooooooh aaaaah and start running helter skelter. That is gross gullibility, muslims are not permitted to be gullible.

Interesting!

You talked about evidence and witnesses....

Correct me if am wrong, the prophet said he saw an angle who tried to strangle him and compelled him to read....
Did any other person see the angel?
Did anybody see the book or anywhere the angel inscribed what he was reading?
What was the evidence to prove he saw an angel or any witness to that?
If there is not, why then do you believe him or how did you get convinced?

Let's start from here

lanrexlan:
Your ignorance is pathetic, you can do better in your catholics stuffs.

I will take this to mean you can't address that. Let your brother answer

Move on!

Abuamam:
Delirium tremens. Lol.

Stop wasting your time. We muslims do not believe in visions. Any devil can come and tell you "I am Jesus, I am God. Do this and that".

Incidentally, all these ex-muslims that form movements and so on, end up being fraudulent. They know how gullible christians can be, so they cook up the kind of unsubstantiable story that christians love to hear, then make a living off the story. Any unscrupulous muslim can do it.

419 things.

That is, if christians didn't cook up the story themselves, as they have been known to do.

Still 419 things anyhow.

@the bold, you muslims don't believe in visions yet you believe Mohammed saw vision and as a result wrote the koran?


If muslims don't believe in visions, that makes the koran useless no?

Were the pastors complaining? Na wa o
Alright, the teachers are right though, but some men even some pastor are insatiable, they will still go after other women.

mazzi:
but do u agree that buhari said wot the guy u qouted wrote there.and if buhari said that,wot is the implication of wot he said to avarage northerner?

Yes he said it, what I don't know is why the Nigerian govt didn't summon him for questioning

Akon419:
Majority of the previous protest in nigeria were been organized and executed in the mosque by Islamic cleric. The question op would have asked was, why are the northern iman are not protesting about the activities of boko haram or asking their followers to go on protest instead of asking a fo0lish question why "we Nigerians "

Exactly, I remember vividly, during the last Israeli/Gaza war, Nigerian muslims in the north protested and rallied in solidarity with the Gazan in far away Palestine, one now wonder why they won't do same here in Nigeria in solidarity with those being massacred by boko haram or at least to denounce the activities of boko haram.

I still think we all need to join the rally, though I doubt it will change anything, as such rallies mean little or nothing in this country.

Splendid!!!

hurricaneChris:
Wasn't hiding actually.

Been a spectator for a while.

Active now!!

Thank God for you.

How are doing?

FKO81:
Imo state presidential election result will shock A PC.

You are right, APC will only win the gubernatorial election in Imo State but PDP will win the presidential.

That doesn't look a dead body. He's even smiling, and the position of the hand too. I still wish all these are mere rumours

Weldone to the French citizens, but I think they are doing this more to show their hatred against muslims than for genuine concern for Nigerian. Since the charlie hebdo incidence, there has been an increase in islamophobia in france, From "Je Suis Charlie" which the muslims in France counter with "Je Suis Muslim" now to "je sius Nigerian". It is more of a battle of religions.

But all thesame, kudos to them.

vest:
it's a new day,gud mornin ppl
where syncan nd woky?

Good morning bro

hurricaneChris:

Where have you been hiding?

Good morning brethren and do have a prosperous week ahead,

alienvirus:
Very foolish students. If they are on nairaland, they would have gun people like rilwayn, tbaba, lagosshia down long time ago. Christianity with violence sha.

They should have brought out their own speakers and shout the Muslims down.





Mumu students.

No, that would be too noisy, they should've march around peacefully with the cartoon of prophet mohammed.

malvisguy212:
God bless you for sharing.

God bless you too, all we need to do is to always pray for such people who are being persecuted for their faith and always speak against so ill treatment of christians in muslim dominated country.

Smh

Ifeann:
Aslan Abashidze – former leader of the Ajarian Autonomous Republic
in western Georgia .[6]
Basuki Abdullah – Indonesian painter converted to Roman Catholicism .
[7]
Ibrahim Abdullah – American former PLO terrorist. [8]
Saeed Abedini – an Iranian- American Christian pastor imprisoned in
Iran . [9]
Abo of Tiflis – Christian activist and the Patron Saint of the city of
Tbilisi , Georgia. [1]
Taysir Abu Saada – a former member of the PLO and the founder of
the Christian ministry Hope For Ishmael after he converted to
Christianity. He was Yasir Arafat 's personal driver. [10][11]
Abraham of Bulgaria – martyr and saint of the Russian Orthodox
Church .[12]
Rotimi Adebari - first Black mayor in Ireland.[13]
St. Adolphus – Christian martyr who was put to death along with his
brother, John, by Abd ar-Rahman II , Caliph of Córdoba for apostasy.
[14]
Leo Africanus – a Moorish diplomat and author who was baptized in the
Basilica of Saint Peter's in 1520.
Safdar Ali – former Maulvi (Cleric) from India. [15][16]
Mehmet Ali Ağca – Turkish assassin who murdered left-wing journalist
Abdi İpekçi on 1 February 1979 and later shot and wounded Pope John
Paul II on 13 May 1981. While in prison in 2007 he claimed to convert to
Christianity. [17]
Jabalah ibn al-Aiham – last ruler of the Ghassanid state in Syria and
Jordan in the 7th century AD. After the Islamic conquest of Levant he
converted to Islam in AD 638. He reverted to Christianity later on and
lived in Anatolia until he died in AD 645. [18]
Daniel Ali – an Iraqi Kurdish author, speaker and Former Kurdish
Muslim Scholar (Ulama/Mullah). In September 1995, he became a born-
again Christian and became an Iraqi Roman Catholic, and thereafter
commenced his writings on Islam. [19]
Magdi Allam (baptized as Magdi Cristiano Allam ) – Italy's most
famous Islamic affairs journalist. [4]
Zachariah Anani – former Sunni Muslim Lebanese militia fighter. [20]
Hussain Andaryas – Afghan Christian activist and tele-evangelist. [21]
Melissa Ariani – Indonesian model and presenter TV, converted to
Protestantism after marriage. [22][23]
Matthew Ashimolowo – Nigerian -born British pastor and evangelist.
[24]
Avraamy Aslanbegov – a Russian - Azeri vice-admiral and military
writer of the Russian Empire , converted to Eastern Orthodox
Christianity . [25]
Aurelius and Natalia – Christian martyrs who were put to death during
the reign of Abd ar-Rahman II, Caliph of Córdoba for apostasy. [26]
Johannes Avetaranian – (born Muhammad Shukri Efendi), Christian
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Asmirandah - Indonesian actress, converted to Christianity after her
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I really pity this Saeed guy who has been in detention for years now and his only crime was his conversion to christianity. I pray God to strengthen him and the Iranian government should stop detaining and torturing people for leaving Islam.

Pastor Saeed Abedini, who is 32 years old, is an Iranian Christian convert and citizen of the United States. Iranian security authorities arrested him during his trip to Iran to visit his family. He is being held in Evin prison with no time given for his release.

According to Mohabat News, Fox News said in a news report that "Pastor Saeed Abedini", who lives in the U.S. with his wife and two children, was visiting his family in Iran, when plain-clothes security authorities put him under arrest.

Saeed Abedini is a Christian convert who embraced Christ years ago in Iran.

His wife, Naghmeh Abedini, who is in the U.S. said, "When he became a Christian, he was considered a criminal in his own country."

The report goes on to say, Saeed Abedini left his wife and two children in the U.S. to travel to Iran, visit his family and continue a humanitarian effort he began years ago to build an orphanage.

As his wife says, after a short visit to a nearby country, Abedini was traveling back into Iran to catch his flight back to the U.S. when members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard stopped his bus near the Turkey-Iran border and pulled Abedini from the bus, confiscating his passport and subjecting him to intense interrogation.

After weeks under house arrest and many calls to Iran's passport control office about the status of his confiscated passport, Abedini was told that his case had been referred to the Revolutionary Guard, the Iranian government's elite military force.

Parents's House Searched by Authorities

According to the report, five security authorities in plain clothes, raided Abedini's parents' home in Tehran on September 26. They thoroughly searched the house, confiscated all his personal belongings, and arrested Saeed Abedini himself.

Abedini's family says the government has demanded a 500 million Toman (Approximately 410,000 USD) bail for his release. However, once his family provided the required bail, they refused to accept the bail and said they will keep him longer. They also did not provide a convincing reason for this refusal.

Thus, Saeed Abedini still remains imprisoned in notorious Evin prison.

Pastor Abedini's attorney says, he was subjected to severe interrogations after his arrest and was threatened with death because of his conversion from Islam.

His attorney added, the authorities required him to sign an agreement in which the government would not charge him for his Christian activities, and he would be allowed to enter and exit the country so long as he ceased all official house church activities.

It is worth mentioning that the U.S. Department of State has warned Iranian-Americans against travel to Iran.

The warning, published on December 7, on the Department of State website, reads, "Some elements in Iran remain hostile to the United States. As a result, U.S. citizens may be subject to harassment or arrest while traveling or residing in Iran

http://mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5972:iranian-american-pastor-arrested-imprisoned-in-evin-prison&catid=36:iranian-christians&Itemid=279

Rich4god:
I only saw what you presented to me...

Lol

Rich4god:
make i hear say you ask for sunday rice again...

Oh sunday rice? Let's see how next sunday is going to be,

Till then, I pray Syncan and Kamsified finds time to say Happy new year to us.