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TAO11:
Ashipa while alive was a King, but without authority being uncrowned. In any case he a King.

Christistruth00:
Ashipa is not a Benin name or Title

It is Yoruba that have Ashipa as name and Title

And the Aworis already told you Ashipa was a Nobleman from Isheri

They even told you the Compound he was from



The first King of Lagos was the Ashipa of Isheri

TAO11:
You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced you and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked. Haha

I don’t care to know both you & him.


What I see is simply that you tried to hoodwink him to his side. He disgraced you as appropriate.

See his comment below for a sweet gentle reminder:

You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced yo and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked.

Cheers.

TAO11:
Lol. No Nairalander is asking any question, nor asking you to ask any question.

It’s you who are tripping. Pretending to have questions on what is clear before you.

(1)The phrase “male descendant” (since English is hard for you) simply refers to: a male child whose descent is traceable to someone (the Bini king in this case). Thus he is not even a [direct] son of the Bini king.

Whether this descent is through the child’s mother or the child’s dad is also not even specified by the phrase “male descendant”. So, get a freaking grip.

Indeed Ado’s descent is traceable through his mom to that Benin king. While his dad (Aṣipa) is core Yorùbá.

And the interviewer had requested specifically for his comment on the relationship between Eko & Benin.

(2) Ashipa while alive was a King, but without authority being uncrowned. In any case he a King.

(3) Ado is however recognized in the traditions as the first King with authority. He is officially recognized as first King in terms of court listing.

(4) Tell me who is the first King of Benin — Eweka or Oranmiyan? Don’t be in rush to answer.

Make sure to look at the Bini traditions well. Some of the Benin accounts say Oranmiyan, some say Eweka.

The same nuance with the Eko case of Ado and Aṣipa.

Kisses

TAO11:
Well sorry … You alone are insane. I never joined you at your insanity.

My words are:
“I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.”

I also added that they don’t have to be contented for the state recognition they already have — e.g. owning all the land, etc.

Well …

Neither I nor the song said he was born to a Bini king.

The traditional song simply talks about the city where his birth took place. That’s literally what the song says

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

And his father (Ashipa) is not a king of Benin, neither is his father (Ashipa) a Bini in any way shape or form.

His father (Ashipa) is a King at Eko — the progenitor of the Eko ruling dynasty of today.

Kisses

TAO11:
He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king

TAO11:
LMAO.

Well, the song doesn’t say his father is a Benin king.

Instead, the song simply says: “… his father is a king…”

And yes his father (Ashipa) is a king not at Benin, but at Eko. He is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty.

Well, they see how you literally are being disgraced.

For example, see the comments below from the same whom you seek to align with:





And as per your comment below, the response that follows from your friend suffices.
IF the Aworis complain, they do just because they want more of what they have. And they have a right to ask for more.

I have asked you to show me one recognition (at the state level) for that Erelu or for any of the minority so-called Benin descendants.

I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.

They also own all the land.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.


Cheers.

TAO11:
Show me any recognition given at State level to any of these minorities (“Benin descendants”), or anythin relating to Benin or its symbols. Show me one.


Only the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba ethnic group is recognized as indigene at the state level — even up to the coat of arms showing:

(1) The white cap

(2) The Akoko leaves.

(3) Fishing occupation.

See attached screenshot.

TAO11:
LMAO! You fraudulent boy.

The song DIDN’t say: He was born to a King in Benin.

The song literally says: “… his father is a king …”.

Guess what!? His father is Ashipa — the progenitor of the dynasty.

Cheers.

TAO11:
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but the lagos state government doesn't recognize the bini people but the aworis

TAO11:
Transgender is a term used out of frustration by you and your cohorts.

He now sees why you all say that — i.e., after flogging sense into your head and your cohorts’ head.

Here is the context of his comment wherein he noted that I showed no mercy while flogging you:

Moreover, he sha disgraced you when you tried to hoodwink him to your side:

TAO11:
Instead, the song literally says:
“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

TAO11:
You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced you and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked. Haha

I don’t care to know both you & him.

What I see is simply that you tried to hoodwink him to his side. He disgraced you as appropriate.

See his comment below for a sweet gentle reminder:

You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced yo and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked.

Cheers.

TAO11:
Eeeerrrm … sorry.

See the comment to recall when you were disgraced by one of those whom you sought to align with.



Cheers!

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:
If the Government of Lagos state had not recognised the Awori Yoruba Owners of Lagos they wouldn't have had enough Land to build even an Ordinary Pit Latrine.


Ordinary MC Oluomo who is Awori can chase you out of Lagos if you misbehave and both the Lagos State Government and the Police would pretend that nothing ever happened

They may even Compensate him for his Stress

Christistruth00:

KingOKON:
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You are talking to a specialist when it comes to history concoctions, he/she can manufacture fables from nowhere and back it up with very useless facts and jargons research

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

TAO11:
Yes, I’m aware.

The discussion is published by by “The Editor” as:

Native Crowns, Journal of the Royal African Society,
Vol. 2, No. 7 (Apr., 1903), Oxford University Press.

It was also published in the Government Gazette of Lagos of Feb. 28 of the same year (1903).

Cheers!

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The attachment below is the publication directly from that year (1903) word-for-word from the publication.

SirNewtonNG:
Omo, no mercy le lei o. I'm starting to believe the bini boys assertion you are transgender

christistruth01:
Awori don't need any official Recognition because they are the owners of Lagos

They are the ones that Award Recognition

TAO11:
Sorry, we are the indigene.

From Badagry on the west, to Lekki on the east. From V.I. on the south to Ikorodu on the north.

You wanna guess who is recognized by the State (even as depicted by the “coat of arms”)??

Yes, it is the Yoruba owners. See attached.

You wanna guess who does not have a land to point to as their own (even a plot)??

Guess. Just take a wild guess.

Cheers.

Cc: Christistruth01

christistruth01:
Is it the Benin that are fighting Itsekiri over Ologbo a Town the Itsekiri have lived in for over 5 Centuries and Benin that is fighting Ijaw for Gelegele that Ijaws have lived in for Centuries too,,is it that Benin that will Conquer a Place and not immediately Seize all the Land

Impossible

christistruth01:
Yoruba Aworis are from Ile Ife those with any Benin links are at most 5%


Even the first Oba of Lagos was Awori of Isheri Origin, it was his mother that was a Princess from Benin

TAO11:
Firstly, we Yorubas know that our kings & chiefs do not automatically become historians by virtue of coronation.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:
Listen very Carefully


For the one thousandth time oba of lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of lagos”





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno


The link will take you to the Video on YouTube

christistruth01:
Ok listen to the Oba of Lagos Himself

At 25 mins of the Video below what exactly did the oba of lagos mean when he Said
"i am a yoruba monarch" ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0IK0SL9s0&t=1740s

samuk:
You have heard from Erelu of Lagos. If you chooses to believe TAO11 over Erelu Abiola Dosunmu of Lagos and others on the documentary, it's your right to believe what you want. Believing what you want is different from what is established truth.

According to the documentary which had Lagos royalty and government officials, Aworis are still fighting for recognition.


Aworis are not officially recognised as indigines or owners of Lagos, it's the Benin descendants led by the Oba of Lagos that are recognised.

You can see why I said earlier that your views here on Nairaland doesn't matter.

Benin empire ended in 1897, but left Benin people in their various garrison towns such as Lagos to rule over those places as the elite ruling classes and senior chiefs.

Why will Benin fight in Yoruba War of 1942.

christistruth01:
Samuk

The funniest thing is that in the OTA War of 1942 when the Yorubas fought for Control of the Awori Owned Lagos Coast and Mainland Lagos

the Kingdom of Benin and was a Complete no show

By the way the Egbas of Abeokuta won the War and along with the Ijebu were in Complete Control of Mainland Lagos

TAO11:
“Some little time after the Olofin's death there began the peaceful penetration into Lagos of settlers from Benin. The Binis probably realised that they would not be able to occupy Lagos by force, as they had already been so decisively beaten in their attacks on Iddo, … permission was asked of the Lagos people for them [Binis] to land. This permission was granted, probably with no very good grace, although at that time Lagos island was very sparsely inhabited and there must have been room for many more settlers. … Some time after, the Binis began to attack the people on the mainland, and the leader of one of their marauding parties dying at Isheri, his remains were conveyed to Benin by one of the Isheri chiefs named Ashipa, …” ~ Sir A. C. Burns, (1929), p. 43.

All of these have been trashed in the preceding comment — a link to which is embedded below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/17#109687702

Cheers.