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Ekealterego:
Crafty selective amnesia you conjured up there.

Firstly you didn't mention the Bini expedition that lasted only 50 hours. The "great bini" were fighting with the stench of corpse while the Aros fought gallantly. Even a neighbouring Enuani fought. Did they also have a standing army?

How was Bini "a great empire" if they could be defeated so so easily that it was only the stench of human sacrifices that kept the victory longer than 24 hours? At a time when groups like Aros were making the British get modern reinforcements.

Another selective memory. Maj. Kaduna was the major head of the coup... and again.

So, all the destructive policies before and after the coupé after 5 decades, none was destructive... Or you people as usual would look for anything whether real or otherwise to blame the Igbo man for?

This same Benin is the ancestors of the greatest political figure, Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe that Eastern Nigeria ever produce. After all the insults, you will have to live with the simple fact that the Zik of Africa is a proud descendant of Benin.

Ekealterego:
Olaudah never mentioned "Empire" but rather a "district of Benin". We can say it's semantics, but still, then the areas were known as "districts". All the recorded wars of Bini both with the British and during the Biafran wars ended super quickly.

Was there a recorded war between Benin and Biafra?

Did Benin have a standing army?

You are probably referring to Biafra invasion of Nigeria Mid Western territory.

I believe Mid West actually declared neutrality in the hostility before the unprovoked and poorly thought out invasion.

Anyway, it's on record that the Nigeria forces regained back their territory and Biafra lost the sympathy of otherwise neutral Mid West.

Lastly, it's on record how the Mid West under late Gen. Ogbemudia extended the Mid West good spirit of fellowship to the reabsorbed or recaptured Eastern region towards her redevelopment efforts.

Today, Nigeria is still suffering from the 1965 to 1970 miscalculations and missteps of our country men who were predominantly from one tribe.

The question still remains why Emmanuel Ifeajuna, an Onitsha man will lead a coup to overthrow a government headed by another Onitsha man Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe ( a proud Benin descendant).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Io4oFAIPU

AutomaticMotors:
My Edo brothers samuk Evboesi sotall don't waste your time answering that boy called redbonesmith, notice after he lost the argument with so much shame he came at you'all like a pained python with his leprous Igboid moniker?

This boy Redbonesmith has been cosplaying as igbo on this nairaland for years but he is just a confused Enuani boy from delta state. Even when most Anioma people in Delta north align accordingly with their Edo ancestry this particular confused one thinks he is more Igbo than the actual 'Iboes' even a full Igbo man called him out earlier in this thread for being "An Igbo WannaBe" .... In my life I have never seen such a chronic low sense of self worth and esteem ...it is sad and hilarious at the same time.

Redbonesmith keep cosplaying as igbo but know one thing "You will never be Accepted" Ever"

Dey whine jesus no worry your eye go clear


Cc @Stoplying come and peruse this thread

Thanks

Kue/kwe in Edo means agree. I can't easily remember another word in Benin(Edoid) language that mean agree apart from Kue/kwe. In other words, take kue away from Benin(Edoid), Benin will probably have no other word for agree. Considering the aforementioned, it is unlikely Benin could have borrowed this very important word, coupled with the fact that those that are now referred to as Edo have been in existence since antiquity.

I believe kue/kwe difference in pronunciation is due to the speaker..Igbo/Edo. They simply mean the same thing (agree)

It will be interesting to know if there is/are other Igbo words that mean agree. If there are other Igbo words that mean agree, It could be possible to deduce which branch of the wider Igbo family that contributed Kwe. It is safe to suggest that Edo influenced Anioma contributed the Osa, Ose...word/names in the wider Igbo language. Igbo, like yoruba is a conglomerate of different/diverse people who contributed to both the modern Igbo and Yoruba languages and cultures.

If there are other words in Igbo language that mean agree apart from Kwe, it will be safe to argue that Kwe/Kue could have travelled from Edo to Anioma and then into the Igbo language.

Meanwhile enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPDfNzQXDxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xazzoq3pPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTYOJ59ufpY

Osodin in Benin has nothing to do with Yoruba origin....Benin history has been under attack since 1897


The lbiwe Palace Society (Ekhaemwen N’Ogbe)

THE Ibiwe is the third Palace Society which is responsible for the care of Oba’s harem. It is said that the Ibiwe trace their origin to the time of Prince Okpamen (later known as Oba Ozolua) who brought them from Ora. They were reported to have assisted the Prince in his struggle to ascend the throne of Benin. When Prince Okpamen became Oba Ozolua, these loyal associates were at first quartered at Eyaen but were later brought to live in Benin City. Because of their loyalty they gained the appellation Agobo-ehpen meaning “the left hand of the leopard’ for the Oba used these loyalists to strike his enemies, in the same manner a leopard does with its left paw. During the time of Oba Ehengbuda (e. 1578 A.D.) it was decided that the monarch should visit Eko (Lagos) which was then a part of the Empire. The Oba then requested both the Iwebo and Iweguae societies to accompany him on the visit and they whole-heartedly agreed to accompany the Oba anywhere. Oba Ehengbuda having convinced himself of their loyalty, commanded the members of the Ibiwe Society to remain in Benin to take care of his wives and children. This was the beginning of the ¡biwe’s connection with the Oba’s harem. In due course, the Ibiwe was elevated to the status of a Palace Society by Oba Akenzua I who reigned (c. 1713-1735 A.D). The lne was placed ‘as head of the society even though the Osodin still kept the responsibility of heading the Eruserie whose duty among others is to serve and case for the iloi (Oba’s wives) and children. While the administrative powers of the harem lies with the Osodin, the Uso remains the executive head of that section. Furthermore, the titles in Ibiwe are in three parts namely:
Eghaevbo N’Oghe
Ekhaemwen-Uko
Affiliated Guilds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW46xDXNO3Q

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Daddy Freeze Interview Reno Omokri On Benin Conquest Of Lagos, Igbo And Yoruba relationship.


https://fb.watch/jsxORCYSBe/

Documentary Proof That Lagos Is Not a No Man's Land.

The #NigerianElections2023 brought about the controversy of whether or not Lagos is a No Man's Land. And there needs to be no controversy. There are ancient pre colonial maps of Eko in the British library. And there are copies of that map in Lagos. The state known today as Lagos was classified as part of the Slave Coast. The territorial waters were known as The Bight of Benin.

Present day Idumota was known on that map by its original Bini name, Idumwun-Ota (the land belonging to Ota). Obalende also features on the map by its Bini name, Oba n'ędé (meaning the Oba never fails). Obanikoro is actually Obanikáo (the Oba on the frontline)
on the map. Kao means first in Bini.

Obazuaye is now known as Bajulaye. While Isi-Eko (meaning in Bini: outpost war camp) is now known as Isale Eko.

Please do not get angry with me if you are Yoruba. I actually agree that the people who are now loosely called Yoruba, were there in what is now known as Lagos before the Binis conquered, or it you prefer, occupied the land.

The reason I am bringing out this pre colonial map, is to prove to those who say that Lagos is a No Man's Land, that they are very far from the truth.

How can a land that was surveyed in a map over 400 years ago, with identified locales, be a No Man's Land? As our people would say, no be juju be that?

Even the name for Lagos, before the Portuguese renamed it Lagos (Lagos means Lakes or lagoon in Portuguese) is of Bini origin. That name is Eko.

Eko means barracks, or war camp, in Bini language. It was used to describe Lagos because it was a military base of the Binis.

If you lived in Benin, or attended the University of Benin, you would know of a place close to Ugbowo called Eko-Oshodin. It is very popular with students. Eko-Oshodin simply means Oshodin's war camp.

The word Eko-Oshodin has been corrupted to Ekosodin by non Bini speaking students who largely populate the environ as a satellite town to the Ugbowo main campus of the University of Benin. Just like the street Papal Via was corrupted to Akpakpava. It was called Papal Via, because that was where the first Catholic priests sent by the Pope stayed. Papal Via simply means Pope Road.

The place described as Jaboo on the map is actually the modern day Ijebu. If you read my earlier piece, The Ijebu, The Yoruba and Their Influence on The Bible and Judaism, you will remember that I said that the I in Jebu was originally silent. This map is my vindication.

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #BuhariTormentor. #TableShaker. Ruffler of the Feathers of Obidents. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Globetrotter. Hollywood Magazine Humanitarian of the Year, 2019. Business Insider Influencer of the Year 2022.

Is Lagos a No Man's Land?

First of all, let us go into the origin of the names of some strategic places in Lagos.

Eti-Osa is actually a Yoruba word, but it is a Yoruba word of Bini origin, accepted into Yoruba language.

It is a compound word. The word Eti is fully Yoruba. However, the word Osa has its root in Bini language. It means sea, which is the same meaning in Yoruba today.

The Binis have two words for big bodies of water. The first is osa, which is more like sea. And then okun, which we can term ocean. It is just like the word sachet. Yes, sachet is now an English word, but it is a French word accepted into English language, like entourage, genre, apostrophe, ballet, cadet, cliche, etc. All those words are French words accepted into English.

Eti-Osa should not be confused with Etinosa, which means the power of God in Bini. Etin and Eti are two completely different and unconnected words. And Osa (God in Bini) id pronounced differently from the Bini word for sea, Osa. But they are spelt the same.

Even the name for Lagos, before the Portuguese renamed it Lagos (Lagos means Lakes or lagoon in Portuguese) is of Bini origin. That name is Eko. And the name of the palace of the Oba of Lagos, Iga Idunganran, is a Bini phrase.

Eko means barracks, or war camp, in Bini language. It was used to describe Lagos because it was a military base of the Binis.

If you lived in Benin, or attended the University of Benin, you would know of a place close to Ugbowo called Eko-Oshodin. It is very popular with students. Eko-Oshodin simply means Oshodin's war camp.

The word Eko-Oshodin has been corrupted to Ekosodin by non Bini speaking students who largely populate the environ as a satellite town to the Ugbowo main campus of the University of Benin. Just like the street Papal Via was corrupted to Akpakpava. It was called Papal Via, because that was where the first Catholic priests sent by the Pope stayed. Papal Via simply means Pope Road.

Through enculturation and acculturation, some Bini words became part of Yoruba and Itsekiri lexicon. If a Yoruba or Itsekiri speaks their native tongue, a Bini person will understand about 6-7% of what they say.

On February 24, 1851, Oba Akitoye of Lagos actually wrote a letter, which still exists, to the then British Consul, John Beecroft, clearly stating that Lagos was under Bini suzerainty.

Even the current Oba of Lagos, Oba Rilwan Akiolu, admitted on video that he and his lineage are of Bini origin. Please Google the interview he gave to Channels TV.

But as to whether or not Lagos is no man's land, no it is not. When the Binis got there, they met Awori, and other peoples now loosely called Yoruba.

It is important to state that even the word Yoruba is a fairly recent word, coined by Samuel Ajayi Crowther. I know what it means and it is offensive. So I won't say it.

The more accurate name of the people is Omo-ti-Olu Iwa-bi. And etymologically, they are classified as Edekiri people.

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #BuhariTormentor. #TableShaker. Ruffler of the Feathers of Obidents. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Globetrotter. Hollywood Magazine Humanitarian of the Year, 2019. Business Insider Influencer of the Year 2022.

There's no records, Portuguese or Benin that says Oba Esigie was educated in the format of western education, it was rather his son crowned Orhogbua after him, that was a beneficiary of the Portuguese education! Though Oba Esigie could speak some smattering Portuguese because of his close friendship with the Portuguese Captain, Alfonso D'Aveiro and as a matter of fact, he wasn't educated in the western sense of it! The issue of western education's incursion into the ancient kingdom as at that period,was necessitated by Oba Esigie, been impressed by the awesome power of the Arquebus as the early guns were called, especially at the pivotal role they played in the destruction of the sneak Idah Army at the famous battle of Ok'Edo in 1515, asked D'Aveiro to furnish him with this noveau weapons, to enable him equip a regiment of Benin warriors! A request that D'Aveiro declined, citing the half century old Pope Nicholas's Papal Bull, that forbade the sale of to weapons and other strategic materials to non Christian States! And Oba Esigie desirous to have his hands on the never before seen wonder weapon in his realm, eagerly expressed his intention to christianize himself and even his entire kingdom, if this was what it would take to acquire the Arquebus! And to prove his commitment to christianization, Oba Esigie had himself and his entire household baptized into the Catholic faith, including his teenage Heir apparent Orhogbua, who he put forward to receive the priesthood in the faith! Thus the young prince left the shores of his native kingdom of Benin, in the company of D'Aveiro, in his return journey to his country Portugal, where he passed through the Portuguese rudimentary education and later was enrolled in a Seminary in Lisbon, to train as a Catholic priest and after many years of stringent training in Spiritual formation and personal discipline, he eventually got ordained and practised as a priest in Portugal and after which he returned to his native home country, Benin where he also practised for many years until his father Oba Esigie joined his ancestors! And at his own coronation as an Oba, he was compelled by the exigencies of his kingly duties to relinquish his priestly obligations! From then on, priestly duties were now handled or administered by the 'Ohen'Osas', that's a crop of native Benin ordained Catholic priests! Orhogbua's western or Portuguese education was of immense advantage especially in his bilateral relations with the Portuguese as he was able to secure their assistance in the procurement of firearms which enabled him to successfully conclude the complete subjugation of the entire coastline of the Mahin/Badagry axis, an imperialist design initiated by his fathers before him, that had degenerated into protracted conflict because the indigenous inhabitants of the area were prone to insurrections! And this prompted the maintenance of a permanent garrison of troops in a camp, 'Eko' in Benin language to act as a deterrence to further insurrections!
Oba Orhogbua in appreciation of the Portuguese role in his successful military campaign, granted them unrestricted monopoly of trade to the area which they named Lagos, because of its topographical similarities with their home country's main port of Lagos in Portugal!

By Leo Oronsaye.

AreaFada2:
Happy Queen Iden Day to Benin, Edo people, their descendants, friends and well-wishers across the world!

Before Oyinbo came, we were not wearing plantain leaves.

We had our heroes and heroines since long ago.

Samuk
Automaticmotors
Gregyboy
Edeyoung

I wish you and all Edo people the same.

Edeyoung:
Meaning the ogiso existed and you belivee in the two dynasty

I want to ask what birthed the Oba dynasty

I try to follow the evidence, it's the best strategy for me otherwise it becomes confusing. Several centuries of Benin history was not written by the time the Europeans arrived in the 1400s.

So what do we know?

1. We know that there were very powerful families, the nobles (Edions) that ruled the land possibly as a rotational Ogisos.

2. We were told that due to the conflict that arises from choosing a rotational elder that were usually too old to rule properly, a family was selected amongst the edions to keep producing the rulers, this family created the Oba title for themselves and their praise name recognises them as coming from Oza. You get this from their family greeting, Umogun Oza. From this family we get the omo no ba ne' Edo, Uku Akpolokpolo. The child that shines, an illuminator, a shinning star that illuminates the path of progress and prosperity for Edo.

3. This particular Ogiso or branch of the Ogiso family started out by rotating the Obaship amongst princes from the same family, this also created problems as princes fought amongst themselves.

4. The edions remained very powerful and each time they created crisis for the Oba, the Oba always find a way to reduce their powers and influence through the introduction of reforms, eg the creation of Uzama Nibie and Iyase title. The oba title started as first amongst equal to the edions.

5. Oba Ewuare stop the rotational obaship amongst princes after defeating his junior brother Uwaifiokun who usurped the title. Infact Ewuare was specifically choosen by prince Ogun as his ruling name because of the meaning. It signified a new dawn of peace for himself and the land.

Below is how one account puts it.

The name suggested to the suffering prince that his present unsavoury circumstance would change for the better, that a closure to his sulfuring would come to pass, that what was now hot would cool down some-day.

Like I said previously, more research is needed. We can eliminate aspects of our history that lacks strong evidence and widen the scope from those with evidence.

The history supporting the Edions is very strong, so I suggest we starts from there. There will be aspect of our history we may not be able to know.

In the 1970s chief Igbinedion became the last person to perform an aspect of the chieftaincy confirmation process that even Oba Akenzua was said to had only witnessed three. The only reason I know this is because chief Igbinedion assembled international documentary makers to make it into a documentary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHA_ywDz_LU

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AreaFada2:
Toh! We need to be having history graduates in Benin coming up to seek funding to research these things further.
The time frames before Ewuare's reigns were always going to be estimates at best. Before the Portuguese came.
I see no reason why teams of 4 to 10 diasporans cannot conveniently sponsor a PG student each for 2 to 5 years at Uniben or AAU to research these things. Each thesis or dissertation at the end would be made available openly.

As of today, there is not even a library the size of a 3 bedroom bungalow in Benin dedicated to Benin history that everyone can visit. I stand to be corrected. If I didn't have access to books when growing up, I might not have become interested in Benin history.

Books written are unavailable or out of print. You wonder if those books were even meant to be read. There is one book I have wanted to buy for like 10 years. It is available in one place but na story dey follow am since.

I totally agree with your suggestion at the bolded. I understand that Edo state government is going to incorporate Benin history research facilities into the cultural district which construction has already began, the pavilion/first phase of the project is due for commissioning next year.

Olu317:
There was no Bini domination of entire area. Please,state how such came to be .

Information to this position of yours does not exist, so, stop falsehood. In as much as Idah was a problem to Bini kingdom in late 1400s and 1500s, then it was obvious the acquired ammunitions gave more output to Bini kingdom's glory. No, doubt about it but short lived.

At a time in history, the relationship between Portugal and Bini capsized which led to dwindling fortune of Oba Bini, his chiefs as well as Ohen Olokun, Ekaladerhan descendant, the chief priest of Olokun deity, whom was always given Ekpan, annually for Olokun festival

Infact, at the peak of desperation,Oba Bini begun to capture humans for barter with the Portuguese. This also didnt help matters aswell because Bini chickens have come home to roost

Even if we were to calculate from your agreed date of Benin domination, late 1400s to 1897 is still over 400 years, is this what you called short lived. This was the same period Rome colonised Britain.

Benin didn't fall or was defeated by any of her neighbours. Benin only fell to Britain in 1897. All problems Benin had were internal, princes fighting themselves.

1. By early 1500s Benin defeated Ida

2. Between 1550 to 1600s Benin was in charge of Lagos.

3. By 1818 Benin supplied guns to yoruba people to fight themselves in Kiriji war.

4. By 1824, the Alaafin of Oyo told the British that he has sent for help from the Oba of Benin to send troops to help the Alaafin defeat his yoruba neighbours.

5. In 1897 Benin fell to the British.

Olu317:
You actually need good recommended eye glasses . After the failure by Ruy De Sequeira, who was the first Portuguese to arrived at Gwato in 1472. From the second arrival of the Portuguese John Alfonso D'Aveiro who made contact with Oba Ozolua 1486, there were trading which brought exposure to Biniland. But, more around early 1500s AD that Oba Esigie became desirous for defense and laterexpansionism,then acquisition of gun and other ammunitions surfaced which gave her advantage over communities to the West and East.

This ammunition was what were used to chase away Idah warriors who were at the
entrance to Biniland. So,Bini's gloryi is based on gun and Canon that were acquired from Portugal

Kindly educate yourself to understand history of gun in west Africa,using interaction between Bini and Portugal trade as a case study. Perhaps , you will understand better.

Infact, decline came to be on the part of Bini because it became suspicious when the Portuguese government tactically withdrew such supply due to the fact that,"Christianity" that was introduced by them was not expanding.

Yet arms were what the Bini king and officials were after to acquire, which is obviously meant for subjugation and abuse of power. This was the the end of it all.

You see,all along the Bini warriors were not extraordinary warriors but hoped on gun supply and Canon got from Portugal. But at the end, when Bini kingdom ran out of suppply from Portugal, the kingdom retuned back to her normal status.

So,Bini's gloryi is based on gun and Canon that were acquired from Portugal

So what was Britain, USA and other earlier kingdoms glories based on? Boxing, karate and kung-fu

Joke aside, Benin was already a dominant force before the arrival of Europeans, guns and Canon. The Europeans met a highly organised society in Benin when they first arrived.

The law and order they met on ground was not due to guns and Canon.

Benin domination of the entire area before the arrival of the Portuguese was not due to guns and Canon.

Edeyoung:
Does the iso stand for sky in the greetings

From my understanding of the reply/praise, it doesn't seem to stand for sky.

FAMILY UNION OF ISOMOBO OVBIYE EWUARE LINEAGE.

The greeting goes this way: laiso and the reply will be ISOMOBO OVBIYE EWUARE, meaning you are recognised as a descendant of Isomobo, Oba Ewuare's sibling.

I am not sure if the name of Ewuare sibling was a coincidence with the greeting. I was also told Laiso as a greeting was older, but it seems the reply was later modified to remember ISOMOBO's connection with Oba Ewuare 1.

Like AreaFada2 said more scholarship is needed.

I tried not to comment so much on the Ogiso era, I am aware of stories of Esagho and Ahukhor. I can't say if they are myths or not, their stories were very popular in the village.

Oba Ewuare ruling house is listed below as Ogiso Igodo. We are already told that Laiso was the greeting of the Ogiso ruling houses.

AreaFada2:
This is where more scholarship is needed. I didn't want to go into it.

Between Ohen and Ewuare were Oba Egbeka, Orobiru and Uwaifiokun. Egbeka and Orobiru reigned for decades, over 30 years each. Ohen's reign ended about 1366 and Ewuare's own began in about 1440. Even if Ewuare was born in 1366 or even posthumously in 1367, he would have been at least 73 years when he became king. And he reigned for over 30 years too. Unlikely. There is no record that Ewuare was an infant or yet unborn to a pregnant queen when Ohen joined his ancestors. The gap may not be exactly up to 100 years but how old was Ewuare when Ohen's reign ended?

In the days without anti-biotics, hardly clean water and high mortality rate, the gap is big.
Ewuare may well have been a grandchild of Ohen.

I agree with the bolded, Oba Ewuare must have been much younger and energetic to be able to achieve all he achieved, unless the dates of reigns of the other oba before him are not as accurate as recorded. It's also possible he was a grandson of Oba Ohen. Before his reign, the throne rotated amongst brothers, Oba Ewuare have to fight Oba Uwaifiokun his junior brother who usurped the throne.

Edeyoung:
You greet laiso, since you were young

Yes. In the old igiogbe, there are three graves, two are said to be of old chiefs and the last one was my grandmother who died in 1960.

The Ine n' Ibiwe and Adun are said to be other branches of the family. When I met one of Bob Izua's wife in London over a decade ago, she asked my surname, when I told her, she immediately called her husband and said to him one of your brothers is here speak to him, Bob Izua asked the area my father reside, I told him the street and he gave me the description of my dad and asked me if I knew that the person (his wife) I was standing with was my wife.

Yes the family goes way back with other branches within the Ewaise quarter of Benin. A serious researcher on Benin city itself should begin his research by speaking to all the chiefs within the Ogbe-Ewaise quarters.

AreaFada2:
Very true. Ewuare, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua and Ehengbuda are the five warrior kings and empire builders.
Our people in Eastern Yorubaland trace their move to these Obas. Especially Ozolua and Esigie.

But Oba Ewedo set the tone for the stability and safety at home (moats/ramparts building commencement), power consolidation and centralisation that a couple of centuries later Ewuare took to the next level.

As for Lamogun, I have had this debate that many in direct Oba dynasty line took the Lamogun greeting, even those relatives not born directly by Ewuare but related paternally. In the same way everybody became Edo after Oba Ewuare's pronouncement.

Most publications do not make a distinction in greeting between pre-Ewuare royals or his direct descendants afterwards. After Lamogun began.

Wow! Oba Ohen's fate was most tragic. With the Iyase saga.

Perhaps, with the roughly a century between Ohen and Ewuare, Ohen descendants may have decided to diverge totally.

Any family history/stories of how the tragic end affected Ohen's direct descendants in the immediate aftermath?

The history says Ohen was the father of Ewuare the first, considering the gap between their reigns I have some reservations, can you possibly comment.

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AreaFada2:
Any more details about who and what was said? To compare with what I have. Though I can imagine the likely person.

Not much was said, the chief prayed through who he called the ancestors of Ugbowo, he said the ancestors of that area of Benin was called Owo. I have also heard that in the past that Ugbo-Owo was a farm that belong to Owo, I guess they have some connections with Owo in the past. The chief also sang a song that referenced both a male and female Owo. It was brief. The video in on Dan Iyanji YouTube page, I will see If I can post the link.


From timestamp 1:09:50
Time stamp 1:12


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=johLmJE0JTg

AreaFada2:
Very true. Ewuare, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua and Ehengbuda are the five warrior kings and empire builders.
Our people in Eastern Yorubaland trace their move to these Obas. Especially Ozolua and Esigie.

But Oba Ewedo set the tone for the stability and safety at home (moats/ramparts building commencement), power consolidation and centralisation that a couple of centuries later Ewuare took to the next level.

As for Lamogun, I have had this debate that many in direct Oba dynasty line took the Lamogun greeting, even relatives those relatives born directly by Ewuare. In the same way everybody became Edo after Oba Ewuare's pronouncement.

Most publications do not make a distinction in greeting between pre-Ewuare royals or his direct descendants afterwards. After Lamogun began.

Wow! Oba Ohen's fate was most tragic. With the Iyase saga.

Perhaps, with the roughly a century between Ohen and Ewuare, Ohen descendants may have decided to diverge totally.

Any family history/stories of how the tragic end affected Ohen's direct descendants in the immediate aftermath?

I have no information.

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UGBE634:
according to the video, they are the same thing and people usually greet La-Iso for convenience, La-Iso is like the short form as other people will usually greet And pronounce theirs La giesan instead of La-ogiesan, etc. You can check the video up, in the middle, there is the full form of the greeting for the five lineages and in the last part, it is La-Iso which people usually prefer to pronounce for convenience. You can check the first family there, and family 27 to 30
You can share what you think is the difference if you don't mind

Also don't forget Oba Ewuare 1 was formerly known as Prince Ogun, can you see why Lamogun will appeal to him after he became Oba Ewuare.

Oba Ewuare completely revolutionised Benin and changed many things including line of successions from brothers to anointed sons, usually firstly sons/heirs, changed name of the city to Edo, deified Emotan with the promulgation that every funeral processions visit her shrine to pay respect, a tradition that lasted until recently.

He also expanded the kingdom. Oba Ewuare 1 is regarded as the greatest Oba of Benin. Hence the name Oba Ewuare the great.

AreaFada2:
Toh! I have written about Eleko Kosoko's son who returned to Benin after Kosoko was in exile in Epe in other threads on NL in the past.

The land of the mosque at Lagos street was a gift from the Oba.

They still invite Oba of Benin to key events.

Oba Erediuwa was named Solomon because of that Mosque.

In 1923, Oba Eweka II was invited to one such event. Oba sent the the Crown prince who became Oba Akenzua later. His son was only a few days old. In trying to convert the Crown Prince, the Imam gave him Suleiman as his name.

The Prince could not accept but reiterated that his new baby boy would be called Solomon, a Christian equivalent and same wise king Solomon in the Bible. Because he said he had a Bible and had read the story but didn't know about exact story of Suleiman in the Quran.

The chief that welcomed Obaseki few days ago when he went to commission the street lights from Iyaro to Uniben main gate did give a brief history of Ugbo-Owo. Benin is full of history.