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THE TRAGIC STORY OF ADESUWA AND THE OBI OF UBULU-UKU

Adesuwa was a beautiful princess and daughter of Ezomo N" Uzebu of the ancient Benin kingdom during the reign of Oba Akengbuda in 1752. She was famous for her unrivalled beauty in Benin Kingdom. Adesuwa the beautiful daughter of Ezomo was betrothed to Oba Akengbuda the Oba of Benin.

One fateful day, the newly installed obi of Ubulu-Uku (Obi Olise) who came to Benin to pay homage to the Oba of Benin stopped over at Uzebu the palace of the Ezomo N' Uzebu who was the father of Adesuwa. Obi Olise of Ubulu Uku was arrested by the uncommon beauty of Adesuwa on setting his eyes upon her when she brought kola nuts for the august visitor.

Like the epic tragedy of Troy, Olise plotted to get the fair princess to his harem. He approached the princess later and feigning contingencies, bought a number of goats from her which he promised to pay as soon as he got back to his abode.

However, he reneged on his promise over many market weeks, and by the power of great SORCERY prompted Adesuwa to embark on the ill-fated journey of debt recovery.

Against all advice, Adesuwa arrived Ubulu-Uku to the delight of Olise. Obi Olise indulged Adesuwa to abandon her quest for payment for her goats since he had all along planned to add her to his harem of women. He proposed marriage to the beautiful Princess.

To this, Adesuwa felt insulted and set her tongue loose, and without control, lashed out at Olise, raining abuses and insults on him even before his chiefs. Apparently enraged by her running mouth, Olise instantly beh*aded Adesuwa with a matchet . The maid who accompanied her on the ill-fated trip to Ubulu-Uku ran as far as her legs could carry her to Benin to announce the gruesome and grievous murder of Adesuwa.

Feeling personal grief, Oba Akengbuda mobilized the kingdom’s armies and other vassal warriors to subdue Obi Olise and have him executed by beh*ading the Obi.

Troops under the command of Imaran Adiagbon and another contingent under the Enogie Emokpaogbe the Agboghidi of Ugo, husband of Emokpolo were sent toUbulu-Uku, to avenge the murdered princess .

After several battles, the town of Ubulu-uku was captured and the head of the Obi was brought to Benin.

Credit: Esan blog.

Another short story of Oduduwa coming from the middle east.

Yoruba should concentrate on their myths/fairytales and leave Benin who actually have real history alone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FttmujJ7P3I

TAO11:
A Summary of Samuk’s Humiliation:

Me:
The attached is an example of a Yoruba crown — Ade-Nla.

Samuk:
Yes! But

Me:
But what?

Samuk:
I think what happened was that the crown attached is an example of an Edo crown.

So therefore, you Yorubas actually borrowed and stole that crown style from us Edos.

Me:
For real? Please tell me more tales.

To make life easy for you, please pick any Edoid area of your choice and show me an example of the use of such attached Ade-Nla crown there. LMAO.

Samuk:
[Scratches Head].

Me:
In that case, I will have to wait patiently for your next gymnastics.

Till then, my name remains TAO11, Your Lord & Your Master.

✌

It's very satisfying to know that you and your fellow Yoruba revisionists are now caged and trapped within the period of the 1800s when your lies started.

Make any claim going forward and you will be requested for an eyewitness historical accounts to back up your claims. You know Yoruba eyewitness historical evidence doesn't go earlier than 1824.

1824 is when your eyewitness historical evidence began.

Benin will continue to be 400 years your senior in written history. No matter what you claim, you can't prove it earlier than 1824. 1824 is as far back Oyo/Ife eyewitness historical accounts goes. Benin goes back to the 1400s.

You can run along now and look for your mate to debate.

Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.

Benin and Itsekiri eyewitness historical accounts dates back to the 1400s

There is over 400 years gap between Benin/Itsekiri and Oyo/Ife history. Benin/Itsekiri eyewitness historical evidence is 400 years older than Oyo/Ife eyewitness historical evidence.

People whose history and influence is 400 years older than yours couldn't have copied from you. It's you that copied from your much older kingdoms and try to dubiously reverse the history in your favour.

Unfortunately, no matter how hard Yoruba try to steal and reverse Benin history, they will never have the historical evidence to back up their lies.

TAO11:
My heart goes out to the poor Benin boy.




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More PTSD For Him:
“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.


An example of an Ade-Nla is attached below. In other words, the first crown of the Itsekiri nation is a Yoruba Ade-Nla crown.

In sum, the Benin palace (from where Ginuwa left for Ode-Itsekiri) derived the aforementioned crown from Yorubaland — Ile-Ife to be precise.

✌

Cc: lx3as

The Yoruba are the ones that copied from the old Benin empire. The Itsekiri monarchy whose eyewitness historical accounts is older than both Ife and Oyo historical eyewitness accounts couldn't have copied from Yoruba.

Itsekiri eyewitness historical accounts is older than Ife and Oyo eyewitness historical accounts.

Show us Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts dating to this period of 1817 you cited.

The Yoruba copy and try to steal what they copied as theirs. Show us Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts older than that of Itsekiri Benin dynasty ascribing the described crown to Yoruba.

You copied from both Benin and Itsekiri that are much older than you, over 400 years eyewitness historical evidence older than Yoruba and then turn around to say your elders copied from you.

Show us Ife and Oyo eyewitness historical evidence earlier than 1824. 1824 is when Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts began. It's always important to put these dates out to inform the less informed you guys are trying to deceive.

macof:

Does this match the description or not?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/14263895_3a9b4cf8dca942e5a0762f5c302a0601_jpeg_jpegdb4fa1f0bb8140b17bd29663de4838c6

The same way you guys said East match the description of West

You guys are more than comedians, you are trying your hands on magic by trying to convert East to West. Anybody that can claim a location East is now West are capable of any lies and shouldn't be taken seriously.

macof:
Below is an eye witness account as shared by your Lord and Master Tao
Shey you are always asking for EuRoPeaN EyewiTnEss aCcoUnt



Send your grievances to the proper chanel

The eyewitness account didn't say the crown was of Yoruba origin. If you are not slow, you would have noticed that TAO11 is the one that concluded that the crown was of Yoruba origin. Guy you are not very smart, I must admit.

An Itsekiri prince was taken through hell that he eventually shed tears during his coronation just because he was unfortunate to have been born by a Yoruba woman, yet you guys are shamelessly claiming Itsekiri monarchy. Do you guys even know the meaning of shame.

The Itsekiri royalty was so protective of their heritage that they enacted a law banning any prince whose mother is not Itsekiri or of Edo origin from becoming an Olu, the current Olu almost lost the throne because his mother is Yoruba, yet you guys are still claiming Itsekiri monarchy as Yoruba.

You claim Oba of Benin to be Yoruba yet you can't point to any Oba of Benin with a Yoruba name.

You claim that the official language of the Benin Palace was Yoruba, yet you can't name any Benin prince or princess in history with a Yoruba name.

macof:
You can feel his pains in the realisation that the warri kingdom once used a Yoruba crown

This is despite the fact that the new Olu told your Ooni and the entire world the history of the Warri crown in his widely televised coronation speech. According to the new Olu, the Warri monarchy have used three crowns since inception.

1. The first was brought from Benin by Ginuwa, a Benin prince who is the ancestors of Warri monarchs

2. Silver crown imported from Portugal around the 1700s, this was the one that was stolen recently.

3. The current golden crown used in this year's coronation after the silver crown was stolen.

There is no reference to Yoruba crown in the history of Warri crowns as narrated by the new Olu.

If you guys can lie about what was recently narrated by the new Olu in just few weeks back, I only pity anyone that believe your stories.

The coronation speech is all over the internet, go and watch and listen to it on YouTube and stop making fool of yourselves on Nairaland.

Rather it's me that feels your pains, you guys tried claiming Benin, the Oba deny being Yoruba, you tried claiming Itsekiri, the Olu denied being Yoruba, insisting his ancestors are Benin, Oba of Lagos claims Benin ancestry.

What is left for you guys?

Maybe it's time, you start telling us about Ijebu, Oyo, Ekiti and other Yoruba clans history instead of trying to steal what are not yours, stop claiming other people's greatness and tell us about your own history devoid of old Benin empire.

Don't Yoruba have history devoid of Benin? Don't be ashamed, there are those here that enjoy fairytales which Yoruba history are mostly about.

TAO11:
Lieutenant John King, R.N. who visited the Benin area sometimes between 1815 and 1820 has the following to say about the actual crown (i.e. the primary/initial crown) of the Itsekiri nation:

“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.

This description of the primary Itsekiri crown (from J. King’s eyewitness observation) matches nothing else but the signature Yoruba crowns popularly known as: Adé-Ńlá which is said by the Yoruba kingdoms holding them to be the actual crown (design) with which the Ife princes originally left Ife to establish their own respective kingdom.

These Ade-Nla crowns are usually adorned only once during sacred installation rites by the kingdoms who hold such jewels. An example of what Ade-Nla crowns look like is as attached below.


The logical implication of the foregoing information is that this primary (or “actual”) crown of the Itsekiris is the actual crown (among his royal share) with which Ginuwa left the Benin palace in the mid/late-1400.

It then follows logically that the Benin palace itself is a Yoruba place (in a foreign land) as have been noted by the early received Benin traditions as well as the Yoruba traditions which notes that Ade-Nla was given to the princes from IFE as a part of their royal gifts.

This explains, more clearly, why his (Ginuwa’s) group was accepted by the autochthonous group of the land without any resistance — i.e. an Ade-Nla crown which established his legitimacy as a “son” of Oodua.

History proves itself again for the umpteenth time.

Cc: lx3as

You are so full of sxxxxt. You gave a reference that described Warri crown and went ahead to claim it as Yoruba even when your reference never said so.

This is how you deceive your brain dead gullible followers.

The new Olu of Warri told your Ooni and the world that his lineage is from Benin during his coronation speech. Mind you, Oba of Benin was not in attendance but the representative of the Benin monarch performed their role. What role did the Ooni and Yoruba performed, the new Olu almost didn't get the crown simply because his mother is Yoruba.

You also produce a reference to Oba Ovonramwen calling on his father Oba Adolor and without any reference to Yoruba or Ife but like always, you dubiously inserted that the Benin monarch was of Yoruba origin.

The Benin/Ife Oduduwa myth started after the reigns of Oba Ovonramwen. Your reference in which Oba Ovonramwen called on his father, the late Oba Adolor and not Oduduwa should have been enough reason for you to know that any reference to Ife/Oduduwa in Benin history only began after Oba Ovonramwen.

ODUDUWA, IFE, OONI AND ORANMIYAN are not mentioned in Benin history until after the reign of Oba Ovonramwen.

Benin/Ife connection was created in late 1890s, same period the history of Oduduwa was written by Samuel Johnson drawing inspiration from Sultan Bello of Sokoto narrative of the origin of Yoruba written around 1824.

Abohboy:
What makes the story of Oduduwa fake if you believe the stories in the bible? Why can someone ride on a chariot to heaven but someone cannot come down to earth on a golden chain? The current Ooni isn't very knowledgable and doesn't even serve his purpose right 98% of traditional rulers have given up on our cultural practices and history

What makes you think I believe the stories in the bible?

TAO11:
Lmao.

How to know when @samuk’s brain has jammed due to severe humiliation from my refutations?

He types incoherent mumble-jumble and discursive jibber-jabber such as the one I’m replying here.

Samuk, pick yourself up from the dirt and get yourself to live in the real world.

Also, make sure to see a therapist because IFE is the the PLACE from where dawn/sunrise comes.

And Yorubas (since the 1800s) said that Yorubas are autochthonous to their present homeland.

Where are Binis in general from? Egypt? Sudan? Ife?

May God have mercy on your bruised soul.

Sha answer my questions and save Benin NOW.

Were and when exactly did Yoruba first published this realisation since the 1800s.

You are know for dishing out irrelevant references, let us know when Yoruba realised that they were no longer from Mecca and Egypt.

Your unhealthy obsession with Benin history have dried up your supports. You are now alone in your struggle to turn lie to truth, East to West, Mecca to Benin and Ogane to Ooni.

Give it a rest and get a life, Benin/Ife relationship was nothing but a political history that started around 1897.

I repeat, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife were not mentioned in Benin history before 1897.

TAO11:
(1) Europeans are believed to have visited the Nigeria coastal areas from around the 1470s/1480s.

(2) These Europeans documented virtually everything they observed/heard, including details from meetings.

(3) These Europeans made occasional visits to Benin kingdom itself to apparently meet the Benin kings.

(4) Recent Benin stories tell us that the following have ruled Benin from the beginning till circa 1848:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

(5) Interestingly, none of these names feature as king of Benin in any writing of those Europeans.

(6) In fact, not even the red-highlighted names whom the Europeans are supposed to have met in person.

(7) Yet, from 1897 (and onward) some of these names began to feature in Benin stories/writings.

(8 ) Why didn’t the Europeans (who were on ground in Benin) document a thing on the above-listed names?

(9) A Benin m0r0n wants his fellow-morons to believe Oduduwa didn’t exist since his name isn’t written.

(10) Yet, the same Benin m0r0n (& his fellow morons) want to believe that the above-listed supposed Benin heroes existed — despite no single record of them.

(11) All these is despite that Oduduwa is supposed to have fluorished at a time when no European (or any writer) visited the Nigeria area.

(12) Also, all these is despite the fact that the above-listed names (the red-highlighted ones) are supposed to have flourished when Europeans visited them.

(13) IF Bini morons must exhibit natural ret@rdation, they should at least be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!

So for this reason, East should become West and West should become East.

Oranmiyan travelling towards North to Mecca to avenge his Father's I'll treatments should be changed to Oranmiyan travel to Benin on 3 months holiday and impregnated a Benin princess to birthed the Oba of Benin.

gregyboy:
The oba of benin must be yoruba by force or fire �....

The east is west and west is east in tao11 contest, the more you lingers this on the more you promote our truth, you have done more damage to yourself and yoruba at large than good

Oba of Benin is supposed to be the grandson of Oduduwa, a fictional character created out of the narrative of Sultan Bello of Sokoto in 1824.

Oba of Benin is also supposed to be from the middle east countries of Saudi Arabia or Egypt by this narrative.

Somehow, everyone is to believe this, even though, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife were not mentioned in Benin early Europeans written history. None of these names appeared in Benin history until 1897.

Oba of Benin messagers was said to travelled East to meet Ogane, whilst Oranmiyan was said to travelled North towards Mecca to avenge his father's I'll treatments.

Today, history revisionist wants everyone to believe that Oba of Benin messager went West instead of East and Oranmiyan came to Benin instead of Mecca.

Anybody out there that still take these stories seriously, deserves to have his/her brain examined by psychiatrists.

Below is the Ooni linking Ooniship to Egyptian god Osiris and TAO11 previous comments on the video.

In TAO11 reply below, she accuses the Ooni of living in a fantasy world by linking Ooniship with Egyptian Osiris.

TAO11 is yet to provide us the date Yoruba first published a book contrary to the middle east origin of Oduduwa and Yoruba people.

She thinks insults are what wins debates.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

TAO11:
@Samuk’s reasoning:
I would accept the statement of the reigning Ooni even if such statement is his personal fancy which he never claimed to be an indigenous IFE narration.

What my mind is never going to accept are contrary peer-reviewed academic and scholarly statements published years before he became king and directly stated to be an indigenous IFE narration.

Cc: gomojam, talktrue1234, reallest, SaintBeehot, Balogunodua, Gratefulheart1, DenreleDave, Amujale, babtoundey.

Below is the video were the current Ooni claim that all Ooni are from Egyptian Osiris lineage and they become deified as Osiri when they die.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

TAO11:
Fair enough.

Although you are not a historian, your take is quite as that of held by historians on the same subject.

Another thing we could both agree on is that @samuk won’t like your ‘take’ despite its reasonableness.

Peace!

TAO11:
I’m pretty sure rEaDeRs who hAvE EyEs actually read in full, unlike @samuk. Buhaha They know not to run along with half education.

Having said that, Sultan Bello’s presumption as per the roots of the Yorubas was debunked right then and there in the early 1800s by the Landers who also in the early 1800s collected and published the account of the Yorubas’s roots as received from the Yorubas.

Peace.
Cc: babaolofin

This is turning out to be one of your worst outings and defence.

So it's the landers brothers from Europe that debunked Sultan Bello narrative of Yoruba coming from Mecca.

Have the Yoruba been writing since the early 1800s? The answer is yes. Where did Yoruba themselves debunked Sultan Bello narrative?

TAO11, please tell the readers when Yoruba change their story of coming from the middle east?

As we debate, vast majority of Yoruba still hold on to their middle east origin even the current Ooni told his white audience in Europe that when the Ooni dies, they become Egyptian god Osiris.

Ooni, the spiritual leader of Yoruba is still fixated with Egypt and TAO11 wants the readers to believe her cock and bull stories.

TAO11, if you must be taken seriously, produce references to when indigenous Yoruba writers first said Oduduwa was a native of Ife. I have already told you that the earliest I could find if 1990s to 2010, nearly 200 years since Sultan Bello first gave Yoruba the story.

MightySparrow:
Insult on whom? I just say my own opinion that African's oral history is not reliable and that history has biases depending on the writer.

Sorry, the comment wasn't met for you. I mean the insults I have been receiving from TAO11 and the other Yoruba brother.

Perhaps I should have made my comment clearer.

You have been on point and I align with your position. I am in complete agreement with all you have said.

MightySparrow:
This should not be taken with sentiment, though, you may be emotionally attached to your own bias. Yet, the oyinbos are more organized and meticulous.blacks are not. The only authority in Yoruba history is IFA. It is full of fairy tales.

I honestly don't understand all the insults and emotional outbursts.

Your hogwash story below will only interest those that believe in fairytales.

The truth will always remain constant. Lies keep changing, that is why the story of Oduduwa continues to change from generation to generation.

I don't understand why some of you are so agitated with the truth and love lies and fairytales so much.

You want me to believe IFA fairytales when millions of Yoruba Christians and Muslims have turned their backs to Ifa. The Ooni himself is all over the place celebrating the opening of mega churches.

babaolofin:
Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference. All of you are on fools paradise making references to dates and falsified records and events that never happened.

The Ife history is beyond Benin and any Benin Oba or historian. The Ifa Oracle started at Ife. The deities of Oduduwa and his priest - The Oonirisa, now abbreviated as Ooni are mystical and spiritual issues beyond Benin hooliganism, thuggery and empty noises and foolish historians.

The story of Sultan Bello, Yoruba and others are tales fabricated from imaginations of the fools. In 18th Century, it was the Sultan Bello who was the rulers of the nomadic Fulanis that tell the story of Oduduwa. You are a big fool, that is why 97% of your youths are into Yahoo Yahoo, Yahoo plus, thuggery and hooliganism while the ladies are into prostitution.

There are 401 deities in Yoruba land. Each day was dedicated to a deity apart from one day in a year called OLOJO day. Olojo means the owner of the day. His Eminence, The Atta of Igala said what united many tribes in Africa is the Ifa Oracle. IFA as a person and deity first settled at IFE. Babalawos are Yoruba IFA diviner. The Chief Priest of IFA worldwide is Araba Agbaiye chosen from the compound where IFA settled at IFE. No town celebrates IFA feast (Odun - Ifa) until it is first celebrated by Araba Agbaiye at Ife. The Babalawos at Benin should tell you the IFA story. Are you saying there is no Babalawo at Benin ?

Foolish Binis out of frustration will combine hear say to bring Sultan Bello 1 into Oduduwa history from 18th Century. The present Sultan Bello III will even be very surprised at such foolishness. Why can't Alaafin or Owa Obokun write the history of the Sultanate in the 18th Century ? The Benin Sultan Bello is a foolish Oba, why didn't he wrote the story of the IBOS? The Benin is too shallow minded and immature for the Yorubas.

Yorubas are too strong and have many issues at hand. I will not come here again.

Please read how Hausas gave the Yoruba the story of Oduduwa, don't believe me, just read TAO11 account below.

TAO11, you can continue to argue with yourself. The readers have eyes.

TAO11:
Moreover, the early 1800s story of a foreign roots for Oduduwa did not originate from within Yorubaland.

Rather, it originated for the first time in Hausaland from the stories of Sultan Bello of Sokoto.

Cc: gomojam, talktrue1234, reallest, SaintBeehot, Balogunodua, Gratefulheart1, DenreleDave, Amujale, babtoundey, scholes0

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TAO11:
Samuel Johnson himself made it clear that the oldest traceable origination of this Middle-East story is in the writings of Sultan Bello of Sokoto which he was only able to access via Captain Clapperton.

Your second attachment is taken from page 3 of S. Johnson's work. If you had bothered to go down some two more pages, then you would have found where Johnson continued and clarified that the oldest known root of this Middle-East story is from Sultan Bello of Sokoto.

On this, Rev. Samuel Johnson writes (quoting Captain Clapperton’s extract of Sultan Bello’s story) and I quote here:

“The only written record we have on this subject is that of the Sultan Belo of Sokoto, the founder of that city, the most learned if not the most powerful of the Fulani sovereigns that ever bore rule in the Soudan.

Capt. Clapperton (Travels and Discoveries in Northern and Central Africa, 1822—1824) made the acquaintance of this monarch. From a large geographical and historical work by him, Capt. Clapperton made a copious extract, from which the following is taken :-- “Yarba is an extensive province containing rivers, forests, sands and mountains, as also a great many wonderful and extraordinary things. In it, the talking green bird called babaga (parrot) is found.”

“By the side of this province there is an anchorage or harbor for the ships of the Christians, who used to go there and purchase slaves. These slaves were exported from our country and sold to the people of Yarba, who resold them to the Christians.”

“The inhabitants of this province (Yarba) it is supposed originated from the remnant of the children of Canan, who were of the tribe of Nimrod. The cause of their establishment in the West of Africa was, as it is stated, in consequence of their being driven by Yar-rooba, son of Kahtan, out of Arabia to the Western Coast between Egypt and Abyssinia. From that spot they advanced into the interior of Africa, till they reach Yarba where they fixed their residence. On their way they left in every place they stopped at, a tribe of their own people. Thus it is supposed that all the tribes of the Soudan who inhabit the mountains are originated from them as also are the inhabitants of Ya-ory. Upon the whole, the people of Yarba are nearly of the same description as those of Noofee (Nupe)*”“

~ Rev. Samuel Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas”, Completed 1897, Published 1921, pp. 5-6.


Cheers!

Cc: gomojam, Amujale, macof, babtoundey, scoles0, Balogunodua, SaintBeehot, reallest, talktrue1234, Gratefulheart1, DenreleDave, Newton85

TAO11:
The earlier questions which you avoided are:
(1) Name the eXpErTs who told you from 1824 that he (Oduduwa) is from the Middle-East.

(2) Also, quote and reference out where this eXpErT of 1824 told you that Oduduwa is from the Middle-East.

My point is if you must be ret@rded, be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!
Cc: babaolofin

There is no difference between 6 and half a dozen. They mean the same thing. They are one and the same. Yoruba and her leadership history started with her migration from Mecca.

If Yoruba had disagreed with the narrative of Sultan Bello, they should have corrected it back in the 1800s, not wait for almost 200 years after numerous books have been written by so called experts based on Sultan Bello narrative.

What you call the debunking of Sultan Bello narrative of Oduduwa is simply a revisionist of the initial story.

You wait for almost 200 years to reversed a story and call it debunking.

TAO11:
In other words, all the talks of Idi — Biblical scrolls or Koranic parchments; Gogobir; Oranmiyan attempting to avenge his father in Mecca; etc. are all a recent fall out from the 1800s.

These are narratives which emerged in the 1800s, with their roots in the now debunked presumption of Sultan Bello that Yorubas are from Mecca.

As at the time when Sultan Bello was relating his story (and presumption) to Captain Clapperton in the North; Clapperton’s boys were receiving the original Yoruba account from the Yorubas in the South.

As such, historians have com to know that whatever S. Bello was relating was not gotten from the Yorubas themselves because the Yorubas of the same period (i.e. early 1800 as well) have something else to say as documented by the Lander brothers.

By the way, I have a copy of Sultan M. Bello’s writing as translated into English by Captain Clapperton whom he gave a copy to when Clapperton visited his court. So, I’m not sure where you got the idea from that no one has seen the account of Sultan Bello.

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Peace!
Cc: babaolofin

babaolofin:
Why are Benin people giving themselves hypertension over the issue of Oodua ? Your late Oba started it in 2004 in his book 'I remain, sir, your Obedient servant ' . In 2018 you rewrote your history. Yorubas see your rewritten history as tales . Yorubas never cared about such 21st century history. Yorubas are too strong to be worried about minor issues.

You have explained, narrated and written books with false analysis, nobody argued with you. Yorubas are very strong and have many issues at hand.

The case of Awujale (The present king) tracing the Ijebu Ode origin to Wadai in Sudan did not say Oduduwa never existed. The present Awujale never said Ijebu Ode never had a link to Ife in history. The Wadai story came for the first time during the present Awujale. Apart from Ijebu Ode, the other Ijebus never denied their link to Ife.

You are a liar telling lies against Oba Akinruntan (Obat). Before the late Oba of Benin died, there were discussion about his story on a Benin Prince whom he claimed ran to Ife to become Oduduwa. After much contention, he said Oduduwa was not the first settler at Ife. He said Oduduwa met people at Ife but he did not know those people. That was when Oba Akinruntan said the people Oduduwa met at Ife are Ugbo people. He was referring to his ancestors. Oba Akinruntan is the Olugbo of Ugbo land. At that point also, The Obi of Onitsha also said people should take note of the statement by Obat. The indigenous Onitsha people, the Ancestors of Obi of Onitsha migrated from Ife. They had a stop at Benin before finally settling down at the present Onitsha.

The Ife history is beyond Benin and any Benin Oba or historian. The Ifa Oracle started at Ife. The deities of Oduduwa and his priest - The Oonirisa, now abbreviated as Ooni are mystical and spiritual issues beyond Benin hooliganism history.

The Oduduwa story was started by Hausa/Fulani man, Sultan Bello in the North in 1824.

The story came down south and the Yoruba adopted it in around 1897.

By 1900s Benin history was dragged into it through Oranmiyan.

Recently the Igbos Onitsha are also claiming a part of the Ife story.

There wouldn't have been problems if there had been consistency in the story from the beginning.

The Yoruba version disagree with the Hausa/Fulani version. The Hausa/Fulani version says Oduduwa was from Mecca, the Yoruba version started by saying Oduduwa was from Egypt and now Ife.

The Benin version disagree with the Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani version because the Benin version claim Oduduwa to be from Benin, not Mecca, Egypt or Ife.

All the above disagreements and inconsistencies is simply because the original story wasn't based on actual historical accounts. It was a work of fiction by the Hausa/Fulani Sultan Bello.

Today Nigeria have a political arrangement that recognises these traditional rulers as foremost, in no particular order:

1. Sultan of Sokoto (Originator of Oduduwa story)

2. Oba of Benin (Oduduwa most prominent heir through Oranmiyan)

3. Ooni of Ife (Spiritual leader of house of Oduduwa)

4. Obi of Onitsha (claim to be the original inhabitants of Ife)

In this political arrangements, the Ooni and Sultan co-chair the council of Nigeria traditional rulers.

The Alaafin of Oyo who the British met on ground in 1824 as the leader of the Yoruba people is not even in the current political arrangement.

All can see the political arrangements and politics associated with Oduduwa, the Hausa/Fulani created story.

Africans deserve to know their true history not lies and ever changing fairytales.

We must know which part of our history is true, fairytales and political.

TAO11:
TWO REQUESTS:
(1) Name the eXpErTs who told you from 1824 that he (Oduduwa) is from the Middle-East.

(2) Also, quote and reference out where this eXpErT of 1824 told you that Oduduwa is from the Middle-East.

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Lest I forget, the account of Oduduwa’s origin per the Yoruba’s own ab-initio accounts have it, from 1990s to 2010 time immemorial that Oduduwa is a native of the hilly sections of Ife.

Moreover, the following names of supposed Bini obas did not appear anywhere in Benin for over 400 years of European written eyewitness historical accounts:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

These names only appeared in Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897. These fairytale names have zero eyewitness to confirm their existence.

When will Bini ret@rds be consistent with their native ret@rdation, and conclude that these are mere fairy-tales made up from 1897?

Peace!

Cc: MightySparrow, babaolofin

You must understand that it's not personal and your insults are unwarranted.

If you have any reason to doubt the list of the Oba of Benin as presented, you are at liberty to point out your reservations just the way I have called the Oduduwa story into question.

Africans deserve to know the truth about their history not fairytales that keep changing with generations.

Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan are not found or mentioned in over 400 years Benin documented European eyewitness historical accounts.

Benin/Ife story was created by revisionists after 1897. Any aspect of Benin history that is based on or references the Benin/Ife fairytale is tainted by it.

MightySparrow:
Note the bolded portion.
I read , not all, of History of Yorubas by Dr. Samuel Johnson. The original writer was his brother, Rev . Johnson, who could not publish the book before he died. If you go by what is written concerning Ekiti, Ijesha, Ijebu, you would see historical dishonesty.
He claimed Oduduwa brought a parchment having Biblical verses, the popular version says,it was Quranic. Yet, no one has seen the writing nor the account of Sultan Bello.
Also, the issue of Gogobiri and Oduduwa has not featured in Bini"s claim. When oranmiyan was going to avenge his father's I'll - treatment, taking battle to Mecca, he didn't face Bini, rather, he faced the North, where he couldn't cross River Niger.
The accounts from the two sides are unreliable.
You could download the pdf of the book.

We all see how the story of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan keep changing since it was first written down. They are adjusted by subsequent generations according to the prevailing political winds of the time. The Oduduwa story lacks consistency from day one and it's reliability is questionable.

Generations of 1800s Yoruba were told that Oduduwa was from Mecca and Oranmiyan took war towards mecca to avenge his Father's ill treatments.

Starting from the 1900s, a new generation was told Oranmiyan was actually invited peacefully to Benin by Benin strangers. Benin invited the Oranmiyan stranger to rule over them.

In the future we are likely to be told another story by another sets of so called experts.

Africa oral history are mostly exaggerated and unreliable.

The Benin/Ife connection exposed the Oduduwa story as a lie because unlike many African tribes, Europeans repeatedly visited Benin throughout the 400 years 1400s to 1897 before the Benin/Ife relationship fairytale was written.

In the over 400 years of European numerous visits and documentation of Benin history, never for once was Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan mentioned. Benin doesn't have oral history before 1897 that mentioned Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan.

The undoing of Oduduwa story is it's linkage with Benin with well established eyewitness historical accounts collected by various Europeans.

The story of Oduduwa can easily by checked against the already well established Benin eyewitness historical accounts.

When these checks are done, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife are missing in Benin European eyewitness historical accounts. There couldn't have been Benin/Ife relationship before 1897, without it being documented by the Europeans, there would have been countless mention of Ife and it's kings in Benin history books written by Europeans, just as there are countless mentions of Benin and it's kings in European writings.

Since 1824 to 1990s countless so called experts told us Oduduwa was from the middle east, Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

1990s to 2010 another sets of historical experts have been claiming that Oduduwa was a native of Ife.

What stopped future professional historians from tracing Oduduwa to Mali or Ghana.

This is the problem with story gathered from oral history, it keeps changing because it's unreliable.

The story of Oduduwa doesn't have eyewitness historical evidence to support it.

It doesn't appear anywhere in Benin over 400 years European documented eyewitness historical accounts. Oduduwa only appeared in Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897.

Any expert that is aware of the origin of Oduduwa story and Sultan Bello accounts should know that Benin didn't have any relationship with Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan. Infact these names doesn't exist in the over 400 years European documented eyewitness historical accounts of Benin.

European experts that are very familiar with Benin history were the first to question the current Benin tradition that supports Benin/Ife relationship.

Like I said earlier, work of the so called experts could be garbage in, garbage out depending on their sources, they are not magicians. Not all experts agree and support the Benin/Ife relationship narrative.

Benin/Ife connection didn't appear in Benin oral history before 1897.

The so called professional historians or experts are not magicians, they rely on raw material to work with and the primary source of these raw materials begins with oral history, if the source information/oral history is faulty, the end result is also likely to be faulty or tainted. In computing this is referred to as garbage in, garbage out.

The so called scholars or experts are human that make mistakes. Any history being told from other sources apart from a documented eyewitness historical evidence can be tainted by the biases of the so called experts, this is the reasons numerous arguments occur within
academia.

We can see how the oral history of Oduduwa changes since it was first told by Sultan Bello of Sokoto in 1824.

From 1824 till date, Oduduwa has been a Saudi Arabian, Egyptian, a Benin prince, a female deity and recently a native of Ife and most of these are contained in books written by so called experts.

There is nothing to stop the story of Oduduwa metamorphosing further in the future. The reason for this is simply because the story of Oduduwa is not based on documented eyewitness evidence.

MightySparrow:
Beautiful, my own take is African' s oral history is not reliable. Where, the Europeans came, the took some oral histories from the aborigines. Some documents are in Archive in University of Ibadan. The real believable history, however, is the recorded events under oyinbos supervision.

All others told orally or by iIfa or elders are lies

This is the reason anyone that is serious about our true history must always insist on documented eyewitness historical accounts.

I don't know why anyone will take this personal. Africans deserve to know their true history not fairytales.

MightySparrow:
History is a record of events that didn't happen, told by those who don't witness them, for fool's to believe.
____Anonymous


The story of Oduduwa and many African history are more lies than reality. Africans can lie! Especially, when telling the story of their ancestry.
There is this story about a warlord in my town, who fought in Kiriji War. He was said to come home with the another man's head and face facing backwards.

What happened:
During one of the battles, he was headed, he frantically looked for an available head, picked one, on the battlefield, put on his neck the wrong way!

Ever since, his family never uses kola nut to appease their head but knees
None of either Yoruba or Benin histories about Oduduwa is absolutely believeable.

You are right, the Oduduwa story is a shared fairytale between Benin and Yoruba. There are accounts of Oduduwa climbing down from heaven with chains. The current Ooni claim that when the Ooni dies, they become Egyptian god Osiris, he also claimed that the 4th Ooni lived for 400 years before becoming a deity.

Oduduwa is widely accepted today as the common ancestor of most Yoruba monarchs/people and the Oba of Benin.

Questions:

1. Are there documented historical origin of Oduduwa.

2. Is there a documented historical evidence to back up Oduduwa ancestry of the aforementioned monarchs?

3. Was Oduduwa a mythical or historical figure in Yoruba history.

4. When did Oduduwa first appear in Benin documented history?

5. Do all Yoruba monarchs accept Oduduwa ancestry.

6. Was Oduduwa story historical or a political creation to first unite the Yoruba people and then Benin and Yoruba people.

Documented historical origin of Oduduwa:


The earliest known documented history of the origin of Oduduwa was told by Sultan Bello around the years 1822 - 1824. In that narrative, Sultan Bello told the story of how early Yoruba migrated from the middle east/Saudi Arabia.

This documented historical origin of Oduduwa remain so till 1897 when the first indigenous Yoruba author Samuel Johnson in his, the history of the Yoruba, argued that Oduduwa migrated from Egypt rather than Saudi Arabia, his arguments was based on the fact that he found no evidence that Saudi Arabia had an Oduduwa in their history.

The documented origin of Oduduwa remained that he migrated from the middle east, Saudi Arabia or Egypt until the 1970s.

In the 1970s, the Benin people through their monarch told the world that Oduduwa was the banished Benin prince Ekaladerhan who found his way to Ife and established the kingdom. Benin went on to date the period to the 1100s AD.

Few decades after Benin claim of Oduduwa being a Benin prince, the first documented Yoruba account of the origin of Oduduwa outside the middle eastern countries of Saudi Arabia and Egypt appeared. From the 1990s to 2010, some Yoruba authors claimed that Oduduwa was originally a native of Ife.

For almost 200 years since the history of Oduduwa was first written down as narrated by Sultan Bello, Oduduwa was believed to have migrated from the middle east, numerous Yoruba historians, writers and authors have always traced Oduduwa to the middle east until recently.

Less than two decades after Sultan Bello narrative of Oduduwa being from the middle east, a Yoruba missionary Ajayi Crowder returned to Nigeria and started his missionary works in the 1840.

Since the 1840s, the Yorubas have been writing about themselves and didn't claim Oduduwa to be a native of Ife, it will take almost 200 years before some revisionist will argue that Oduduwa was originally a native of Ife.

Documented evidence of Oduduwa ancestry of most Yoruba monarchs and Oba of Benin:


Until 1897 when the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson wrote his, the history of the Yoruba, there was no documented earlier indigenous Yoruba account that traces all Yoruba Obas to Oduduwa.

The Ijebus is believed to have come in contact with the Europeans in the 1500s, the Alaafin of Oyo received his first European visitor in 1824 and there are hearsay European accounts of Oyo dating back to the 1700s, in all these accounts, I haven't seen any evidence were the various Yoruba tribes themselves claim Oduduwa as a common ancestor until late 1800s.

Oduduwa, a mythical or historical figure.

Early Yoruba historians such as C. C. Law in his book did confirm that there were Yoruba oral tradition that claim Oduduwa to be a myth rather than a historical figure. Their are Yoruba accounts that claimed Oduduwa to be a female deity.

Throughout the almost 200 years since the history of Oduduwa began in 1824, Oduduwa have variously been traced to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Benin prince, a native of Ife and Yoruba female deity.

When did Oduduwa first appear in Benin history

There is not a single historical evidence of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife being mentioned in the over 400 years of eyewitness documented history of Benin until the fall of the old Benin empire in 1897.

Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife only appear for the first time in Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897.


Do all Yoruba monarchs accept Oduduwa ancestry:

The Awujale of Ijebu is one of the notable Yoruba monarchs who do not subscribe to the Oduduwa/Ife common ancestry. The Awujale traces the migration of his people to Sudan.

Another notable Yoruba monarch that doesn't believe in the Oduduwa common ancestry of Yoruba Obas and people is Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan, the traditional ruler of Ugbo Kingdom, a town in Ilaje Local Government, Ondo State. He is an oil magnate and founder of Obat Oil, one of Nigeria's largest and leading privately held oil companies.

Oba Obateru argues that Oduduwa was a foreigner to Ife from Benin.

Was Oduduwa story historical or a political creation to first unite the Yoruba people and then Benin and Yoruba people.

christistruth01:
I thought as much

You don't have. one single case of a Benin Dukedom passing through the Maternal lineage

I didn't tell you anything. I didn't tell you there is/was and didn't tell you there wasn't/isn't.

I would have been tempted to lecture you, if not the fact that you already shown your anti Benin sentiments. Believe me, Benin history is vast, but this is all I am going to tell you because of the reason I already stated.

I also don't want you to get into more trouble with your headmaster for having these conversations with a Benin person.

Three of you tried to have a different point of view from her on Lagos history, she disagreed with all the three of you and the last guy was even admonished, didn't you understand her Yoruba or you also missed her reply to the last contributor.

You can only seek your knowledge from your headmaster, you can't disagree with her position, she knows it all when it comes to Yoruba and Lagos history.

She is probably already getting irritated by your insistence to know more about Benin history from me instead of her.

In case you missed her last yellow card and warning, find it below and have peace.

TAO11:
Aboriginal is what we’re discussing here bro.
Aboriginal means land owners from day 1. Even the name Abule-Egba tells you that the Egbas were Egbas from somewhere else. They didn’t become Egba at Lagos.

Fraction means a small amount of something. So, tell me the portion owned aboriginally by Ijebus and I will tell you the land mass in relation to the total land mass, and you shall see it’s a fraction.

E je k’a ma calm down. E je k’a lo gbo-gbo akitiyan yi si odo awon opuro Ile-Ibini.

Peace.

christistruth01:
Please kindly do not divert

Name one Single Benin Dukedom that was passed through the Maternal lineage

In Yorubaland everyone knows the Boundary of their fathers Kingdom and no one would dare to be dragging Lagos with Awori because even the blind know it is their Kingdom their Land and their Heritage

Anything through the Maternal line is an Honour and not a right

Unlike Benin who refuse to understand where their own Kingdom begins ands ends

Thank you

I don't know what you are trying to gain from a Benin kingdom example.

The Yoruba example you cited didn't in any way help your arguments with your headmaster. Despite your Yoruba examples, your headmaster still disagrees with you.

You haven't been able to convince your fellow Yoruba, you want to drag Benin into the arguments.

Like I already said more than once, your arguments with your headmaster, is purely Yoruba arguments, it's got nothing to do with Benin. You can't use Benin to settle your disagreements. If you have exhausted all your points with your headmaster, throw in the towel and call it a day.