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Stop spreading fake news.
http://www.mortalpoet.com/dear-nigerians-stop-promoting-stupidity/

But who's going to pray for the families killed in the east, in Zaria, in southern Kaduna, by Fulani herdsmen, etc. His father killed these people indirectly.

Though his father is a murderer I won't crucify him for his fathers sins. If we look at his father we'd wish he died but dude is not his father.

http://www.mortalpoet.com/commiserate-family-mr-mrs-nobody/

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Africa's problem is not monetary but mental. We are afraid of reevaluating what the thieves created. We are afraid of having an identity. We are still slaves.

http://www.mortalpoet.com/corruption-is-not-the-problem-with-africa/

Deicide:
Its a position o

Atheism is like:
Person A: There is a pool at the back of my house
Person B: Ok lets go see
(We go to the back of the house and there is no pool at least non that i can see)
Person B: I dont see any pool
Person A: But the pool is right here
(person A quickly calls others to confirm if they can see any pool)
Others: We dont see any pool here
(then this stupid thing happens)
Person A: Ok proof to me that a pool is not at the back of my house?

I hope you get the drift?

I'm done with this, sorry.

johnydon22:
Add "Dis" to "belief" on your definition of theism.

Lol. I understand. You are smart. You've seen the point. If that's your way of being honest, I see you.

Deicide:
Lol nawa o i have explained na i can't keep repeting myself.

That's because your explanation wasn't good enough. Is Atheism a Belief?

johnydon22:
Opposite of theism.. Just add "Dis" to "belief" on that definition and you get your answer

That's bullshi't and you know it. How was this opposite of atheism arrived at since it is not a belief? Logic? Emotions? A Fact? A Claim? What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF?

butterflyl1on:
I couldn't have said it any better myself. I also believe that if an atheist claims GOD DOES NOT EXIST this statement must have been made from a position of knowledge or better yet COUNTER KNOWLEDGE to the existence of God. So an atheist who claims that God does not exist should be able to defend this position by providing this acquired counter knowledge as proof that God does not exist.

Exactly. Since it is not a believe what then is it and what logic process what taken to arrive at it? Simply saying is not a BELIEF answers nothing.

hopefulLandlord:
atheism is lack of it, I'm using the broad definition

Lack of it? Is a Statement of fact then, a Logical Position, an emotional position, a scientific position? What exactly is atheism? I don't mean the definition here and I believe you understand me.

Deicide:
It is a position xame as Theism

Theism is a BELIEF in God or God's. A Belief. What is Atheism? A BELIEF too?

Deicide:
Yes, but there is no evidence to prove this thats why i said at this point agnotism comes into play but again there are some atheist that dont God simple doesnt exist and they stand with that idea 100%

It seems you aint understanding my explanations

Frankly speaking, it makes no sense. I mean, once atheism holds the possibility of a deity's existence it ceases to be atheism. You cannot know there's no God and still believe in any possibility.

hopefulLandlord:
this is a bit off topic but yes they can, Etymological Fallacy is a genetic fallacy that holds that the present-day meaning of a word or phrase should necessarily be similar to its historical meaning

there are various examples of words today that meant something slightly different originally and some that actually contradicts its original meaning

The word hound originally simply meant "dog" in general. This usage is now archaic or poetic only, and hound now almost exclusively refers to dogs bred for hunting in particular.

The meaning of a word may change to connote higher status, as when knight , originally "servant" like German Knecht , came to mean "military knight" and subsequently "someone of high rank".

Conversely, the word knave originally meant "boy" (as the equivalent German Knabe ) and only gradually acquired its meaning of "person of low, despicable character".

The word "Awful" originally meant "Awe-inspring" and "Full of awe" but now means something bad

The word "Moody" originally meant "Courageous" but now means something totally different

The word "Bully" actually originated from Dutch word "Boele" which actually means "Lover"

The word lady derives from Old English hlæf-dige ("loaf-digger; kneader of bread" ), and lord from hlafweard ("loaf-ward; ensurer, provider of bread" ). No connection with bread is retained in the current meaning of either word.

not really etymologically different but slight differences in the definitions actually makes a lot of difference if one pays attention to it

Then let's leave the stories and proceed. Is Atheism a belief?

ivolt:
An atheist may defend his/her position logically but that is not a requirement for atheism.
Atheism is just a lack of belief in god/gods.
There are no pre-conditions to be an atheist, other than the one stated above.

I don't believe in a ghost even though I do not know if one exists, is my position
illogical?
"Know" in this instance means real knowledge and not some feel-good mantra.

Imagine I make this claim:
There is an invisible being made up of quantum energy in blackhole Xecat whose
gaze control the setting and rising of the sun.

If you believe me is your position logical?
If you don't believe me, are you illogical?

I'm not against the logic or illogicality of atheism. I am against using the words 'agnostic atheism'. It makes no logical sense.

Deicide:
Like hopefulland said the defination of atheism is very board. Science doesnt concern itself with if a God exist or not. The defination of atheism most atheist agree on is "Lack of belief in a deity" which means it has noting to do with a belief system. most atheist would not agree with that defination you gave because that also puts them in the same basket as a theist which is why i use that lack of proof so that you would understand the point of Atheism.

Very good. So if atheism is not a belief what is it? Is it a fact? An opinion and is it a logical one? Is it an emotion?

johnydon22:
Nope not necessarily, many things can inform disbelief.

Example:

You; I have a diamond pig

me: I don't believe you.


I do not necessarily need to know whether you do or not, i just do not see evidence that suggests you do therefore i express doubt over your claim.

So disbelief doesn't equate knowability just an expression of doubt

The analogy is more like

Me: I have a diamond
You: Show me
I go in and show you something that looks like a Squirrel not even a pig talk more diamond.
You: You don't have a diamond pig and there is no Diamond pig.

Now, this is the fact of Atheism. He's not disputing the theistic beliefs like the right and left wing American politicians do(without what he thinks is facts). He is disputing it because the fact presented is not good enough to him.

If Atheism is the lack of belief in God(It surely means it is not a belief) and thus something. What is it? For me, I think it is the knowledge of the absence of God. How is this not so?

Deicide:
No it doesnt which is where agnotism comes into play. In atheism we say there is no proof to sujest that a God exist this does not mean that a God does not exist it only means that there isnt enough proof to sujest that one does exist.

Wow! So an atheist beliefs there's a possibility of the existence of God? Can there be a married bachelor?

johnydon22:
Nope. Just like "belief" doesn't suggest same

But it is because you know something about that you reject it? You are not in a neutral position like a new born baby. You decided to reject it because you studied it and know it is full of shit. So you know. And if you don't or think there proof is not good enough, why not stay neutral like an agnostic until you know a lot? Why should a man who knows there's no God be the same man who knows God is unknowable?

Deicide:
No it doesnt which is where agnotism comes into play. In atheism we say there is no proof to sujest that a God exist this does not mean that a God does not exist it only means that there isnt enough proof to sujest that one does exist.

Not enough proof is not atheism. Even science, an entirely different field, could say so. Atheism is simply the belief in the absence of gods. Agnosticism says we don't know if there is god or not. Atheism says we know he doesn't exist. Then we make a man who knows and doesn't know. How do you reconcile that?

ivolt:
Don't be confused, agnosticism is a position of knowledge and not of believe.
An agnostic theist is a person who believes in a god(s) but doesn't know for sure
if one exist while an agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a god(s)
and can't know for sure if one exist.

One line dictionary definitions are not a smart way to discuss philosophical intellectual topics.

That's my problem. Can one claim to belief there's no God and still say he's not sure if there's a God? Or you mean to say that Atheists, by been atheists, have no logical basis for their position since what they have is just a belief?

hopefulLandlord:
now I get your question

this is what you said in your first post "I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both."

I said it depends on how you define atheism and agnosticism cuz contrary to what people think, atheism has lots of definitions and there's no "Universal acceptance" of those terms like you are actually claiming

Okay. Nice. But there are etymologies and things cannot be completely semantically uprooted from their etymologies. Would it be wrong to use it here? Is there even any definition of atheism that is etymologically different?

johnydon22:
using same Google.

Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.

Doesn't the lack of belief in a deity suggest knowability?

hopefulLandlord:
Definitions apply into many things too but even moreso when one is discussing what one thinks are mutually exclusive

You didn't answer my question. Does this mutual exclusivity define anything? If what I think about Christianity in a discussion is the worship of Muhammad and Allah, what then? Am I good enough to be engaged?

johnydon22:
Just define "atheism" and "agnosticism"

Google.

Atheism: Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of
deities.

Agnosticism: Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God , of the divine or the
supernatural is unknown or
unknowable.

Now Define Agnosticism Atheism?

hopefulLandlord:
I said it depends on your own definition of both terms

what do you mean when you say "Atheism" and what does the word "Agnosticism" mean to you? could you tell us the "Universal acceptance" of those terms?

Does this apply to every other definition or just to the definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism?

hopefulLandlord:
it depends on how you define each term

How YOU define the terms and not the universal acceptance and understanding of both terms? Even if I understand one as the belief in God and the other as Deism?

johnydon22:
Actually agnosticism is atheistic in a broad sense.

That's bullshit. That's like saying Pantheism is Monotheism in a broad sense.