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tete7000:
Mugabe is a dictator, nothing democratic about his rule. It is why no one gives a hoot about his been ousted. Stop making it sound like a democratic rule has been toppled. Those who live by sword, die by sword.

Mugabe is just a man, he is not the institution. You rejoice because an institution was crippled while trying to destroy just one man. If the people did this why can't they do it at the polls?

SmartyPants:
A. You must understand that the military here have acted as an agency of the people. This is evidenced by the large crowds that have turned out to show their support for the coup. Major political revolution cannot succeed without the endorsement of the people.

B. Again, democracy is not the goal in and of itself. If democracy is not useful for achieving a goal then it must be dispensed with immediately. The end justifies the means.

C. You are mixing democracy up with constitutionalism. They are quite different. Democracy is the system of government that derives its authority from the people. Lets define democracy in simpler terms: "The system of government that represents the will of the people". So if the people decide to back the military to take over power or eliminate the current power holder, that is perfectly democratic.

Constitutionalism is the theory that establishes a constitution as the supreme source of law and of political power. However, even constitutionalism links this power of the constitution back to the people. Really, constitutionalism is merely a support mechanism to democracy, and can never assume superior importance. It is people who come together to forge societies and determine how they should be ruled; therefore, at any point in time they may choose to abolish or overrule the system that they themselves created.

People>Laws(constitution)>government.

Which people? Which people are they acting for? Which large crowd? A crowd of less than 10000 people should be used as yardstick for the position of 14 million Zimbabweans? Forget it!

I don't agree that the end justifies the means. For me, both the means and ends must be justified in democracy and any attempt at commonsense. The people have not said they are tired of Democracy. They are yet to make that stand.

As long what happens there, what the coup plotters are trying to portray, looks like a democracy, its tenets must be fully satisfied. They must discard their laws before they start trying 'whatever works'.

The people have no hands in this. In Egypt, when Mubarak was ousted, we saw that face you are trying to paint here. The people have nothing to do with this. Some men simply feel Uncle Roo is taking them for a ride. Do a little search on the head of that coup.

linearity:
He didn't win and stay in power democratically for 37 years. Each election was not won fair and square and he didn't not rule democratically.

Sacking his V.P. and selecting his wife to take over was not democratic.

You reap what you sow...what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. He who live by the sword died by same and it's all good by me.

But is it right to abuse the law because a person abused the law? Can we even lay claim to a law in such scenario? And who or what determines the limit of such lawlessness?

SmartyPants:
A. The people

B. The coup itself is not an act of governance, whether good or bad. It is merely the means through which the people attempt to rectify bad governance.

So was it the people that carried out the coup or some group of evil military and party chiefs trying a new spec of evil? The people have nothing to do with this. Men of power did this and not the people.

Secondly, assuming the people did, once the people sanction a coup in a democracy, it ceases to be a democracy. Democratic rights end once democracy ends.

Their are other means through which good governance can be achieved. It is very hard to believe that the majority will support his sack through undemocratic means but they can't through Democratic means.

UBGG:
I would take the Devil's deal (which almost all the time never ends well) if I foresaw some good coming from it.

They were all at that point...due process be damned.

That's why Africa is messed up. Everyone knows good can be arrived through many means. We all know many ways to arrive at good deeds. But agreeing to any system through which we want to arrive at it is the sovereignty of nations. Do we want a democracy or whatever works?

SmartyPants:
Democracy is not the goal in and of itself. Good governance is the goal and whatever means it takes to achieve that, so be it.

Who then determines the limit of this good governance you speak of? And how is a coup good governance or a good thing simply because one demon was removed?

aolawale025:
The West were glad to see his(Mugabe's) back

Of course. They shared with him the same level of hatred for each other that they can't even call a coup a coup. The silence is deafening and it is a stand itself.

Still undemocratic. No matter how they try make the thing appear democratic, it is not. Democracy doesn't work like that. You don't make change in a democracy like that. What happened is a coup. No afterthought can change that.

Power and life is transient. Mugabe who once boasted no military coup can remove him is now under house arrest by the military.

The condemnation by the war veterans in 2016 of abandoning the revolution didn’t help his case either. They had accused him of promoting corruption and said they will not support him in next year’s election.

His treatment of the white farmers in his country didn’t help him or his country either and the sanctions he got suffered the country.

Till now, none of the western counties, who love to promote democratic values, has condemned the military coup. Tacit support or endorsement?

His wife has received criticisms and Mugabe’s attempt to pass her the touch annoyed the military, politicians and revolutionaries more. It seems everyone is finally fed up with him that even when democratic values are shattered to remove him, no one seem to care.

In Egypt when a similar thing happened, it was regarded as a ‘military intervention’ by the US and other powers when obviously a coup happened. What happened in Zimbabwe is a coup but unfortunately, Mugabe has annoyed so many people, destroyed so many laws and his authoritarianism has made it difficult to speak about him in the democratic language.

http://www.mortalpoet.com/mugabe-going-going

Power and life is transient. Mugabe who once boasted no military coup can remove him is now under house arrest by the military.

The condemnation by the war veterans in 2016 of abandoning the revolution didn’t help his case either. They had accused him of promoting corruption and said they will not support him in next year’s election.

His treatment of the white farmers in his country didn’t help him or his country either and the sanctions he got suffered the country.

Till now, none of the western counties, who love to promote democratic values, has condemned the military coup. Tacit support or endorsement?

His wife has received criticisms and Mugabe’s attempt to pass her the touch annoyed the military, politicians and revolutionaries more. It seems everyone is finally fed up with him that even when democratic values are shattered to remove him, no one seem to care.

In Egypt when a similar thing happened, it was regarded as a ‘military intervention’ by the US and other powers when obviously a coup happened. What happened in Zimbabwe is a coup but unfortunately, Mugabe has annoyed so many people, destroyed so many laws and his authoritarianism has made it difficult to speak about him in the democratic language.

http://www.mortalpoet.com/mugabe-going-going/

Watched so many. From Horror(My Favorite) to Action, SciFi, RomCom, etc., but none has given me the satisfaction I got watching Phone Booth.

Who exactly is the Presidency? Because the dunce of a President discarded contents he didn't bother to examine everyone should join in celebrating his cerebral weakness! Trash.

How does the presence or absence of confidence stop a man with sense from examining that document, sieving and picking the pearls out of the swine. The mistake has been made.

How do you reject a document you don't understand? Can't one person in his cabinet tell him the files in that document could save this country. Cowards and dimwits in governance.

Iran? Saudi Arabia? Syria? NK? Somalia? Smh. Complete junk. And it was moved to the front page.

The time is up for the man. The ovation died that a long time ago. He lost the mission a long time ago. He lost the love and respect he had a long time ago. His situation today is a conspiracy of annoyed forces.

But where does Abati and most of our journalists really stand on democratic values? One week they are trying to rationalise a misnomer with sarcasm, the next week they are talking about human rights and democracy.

Read more on the man and his legacy below:

http://www.mortalpoet.com/mugabe-going-going/

monex:
humans are more diverse than you think. There are intelligent peeps who aren't sapiosexual. Sapiosexuality typically comes from intuition - people who obtain facts by intuition usually like interacting with knowledgeable peeps.

Not again!

In 1987, Robert Gabriel Mugabe, also known by the name, Uncle Roo, became the President of Zimbabwe, a country formerly known as Southern Rhodesia. Prior to the time, he had served as Prime Minister from 1980-87 and was among the freedom fighters who fought the colonial masters for independence. He was a strong exponent of negritude and tried to promote and restore the dignity of countrymen and the black race in general. He had the opportunity to transform his nation and the black race but failed. His initial policies as President, towards the white community, was mild. But at the beginning of the new millennium it snowballed into absolute tyranny. Lands were forcefully collected with the claim that the lands were forcefully collected in the first place. By that time, his place as another African despot has been guaranteed. He had joined the ranks of men like Paul Biya of Cameroon and Nguema of Guniea. In his country, you could substitute the name 'Mugabe' for President in a synonym exam and you won't be wrong.


http://www.mortalpoet.com/mugabe-going-going/

Lack of a sound mind is the problem. The heterogeneity is evident everywhere and the symbols of tribal superiority engraved in our system. I'm not against the preservation of tribe but the definition of identity. What the hell are we?

Anything is possible. Humans don't know the power they've got. The few who know use it to manipulate others. When they say a human being is a God it really means he is a God.

Unfortunately, the same bodies who say this are afraid of exploration. Afraid of the Astral and consider nonreligious spirituality occultism. As though a church or mosque is not a cult. Under religion it is safe but not outside it.

We are Gods in the literal sense. We can do anything we want. Our pineal glands and pituitary body have been inhibited for so long. Marijuana is demonized while alcohol and fatty foods are advertised.

From Movies to News to Entertainment. Look what we've been talking about the past two weeks! A bleached homosexual without any sign of sense or essence. People who know are afraid of others knowing.

You are Gods. Stop looking up to dimwits and demons for relevance. Your mind is the software that runs your body or hardware. This feat is nothing if only the world was honest enough.

What about www.mortalpoet.com?

Xisnin:
Nigeria has never existed without any of its current parts.


Name calling won't bolster your argument. Just name one country which wasn't
"forced" together.
At no time were your people, yes your people, living together in peace, they were
all belligerent neighbours scheming on dominating each other.
I marvel at the the ignorance displayed here, nation states have never arisen
through peace but war. Britain today is a product of force(war) , so is Germany, USA,
China and every other country.


Do you think calling Lugard a rapist automatically make him one
and even if he was how does that in anyway affect Nigeria's existence?

You mean you want to go back to when each small towns are fighting
and enslaving their neighbours in war?

It is surprising that this is the best "argument" that can be put forward by an Ipob supporter.

Someone stole the wealth of your forefathers, killed and subdued them, traded them off and used their women how they deemed fit but the very one this happened to doesn't think it's rape. Okay. I've got no energy.

AnanseK:
Sit up your mouth cry baby, no body is treating you differently. Northerners are even more marginalized than you tiny enclave.

Okay.

pryme:
Yes you used sentiments, you expect things to be done "outside" the constitution for your own favor,

But if Buhari does things outside the constitution you be screaming he is a dictator all over the place, if not for the constitution your leader would have been executed without trail for a treasonable offence.

How is that sentiment? And how is sentiment for anything even wrong? Simply because it is sentiment? You said a thing must be in the constitution to be sensible and I showed you the constitution is not the judge of what is logical and you accuse me of bias. How? Is the constitution against sleeping with several women and living a careless life? But isn't that wrong? And how does whatever Buhari chooses to do affect the integrity of the secessionists? Can something be wrong because another thing is perceived to be wrong?

And where is the so-called Bishop? Messing with our heads?

http://www.mortalpoet.com/far-ozubulu-killings/

pryme:
Trust me when say this, without the constitution things would have been worse for you guys.

I have read all what you typed above and it's Clear to me, you have been blinded by sentiments.

We are done here.

You guys? Is that where we at now? Sentiments? This is pure logic. If I have showed sentiments you can show me how. But then, is sentiment wrong for simply being sentiment? If I'm sentimental to the plights of suffering masses of Rohinga does that make me or my position useless?

Xisnin:
YES, that is why it is senseless.
Israel was never part of the US, neither was China.
I expected that you would deploy your intelligence(sapio) in arguing your
case, but you have descended into straw man fallacy typical of unenlightened
people.

Nigerian secessionists are like kids, even though scolding and spanking kids isn't ideal, it
is necessary to prevent kids from playing with fire and getting burned.

Wow! Was Igbo part of Nigeria in the first place? Was Yoruba part of Nigeria? Was Hausa part of Nigeria? Was is it not a rapist who goes by the name Lugard who colonised and forced them together? A people living separately and peacefully for over 900 years were forced to live together and asking for a return is senseless? Which is senseless now? That the creation of a rapist must be sustained or that the people go back to their old forms?

pryme:
Did I hear you say there is no proof that secession is not allow in The Nigerian constitution?

It's like I have been wasting my time here.

Is their proof that secession is not possible in Nigeria? Does it need to be in the constitution now for it to be possible? What proof do you have that it is unattainable? Don't mention the constitution because it is amended based on needs.

And does it have to be in the constitution to make sense? Is the document a testament of sensibility? How many things in that military constitution makes sense? Which constitution gave thieves in the house rights to enrich themselves? That's sensible because it is in the constitution?

pryme:
You and I know what you really want is not attainable within The Nigerian constitution, how is that sensible?

So because a thing is not attainable, even though their is no proof to that, it is not sensible? Is perfection senseless because it is not attainable?

pryme:
Look at this way,
You keep disturbing your senior brother to give you something but he refuses, but you start agitation, start calling your senior brother names.
If your senior eventually wants to give you that thing you are agitating for how to you thing it will go? Do you think he will give you with a smile?

If Nigeria should give you Biafra they can be stiff sanctions that will make your start up unbareble, cos Biafra will be landlocked inside Nigeria,
You will be surrounded by the Ppl you have been "taught" to hate.
In the end you will see you are still struggling to make ends meet.

That's not the point. What makes what you are asking your senior brother senseless? Some have asked and stolen food. Is food bad because it was stolen?

pryme:
OK this countries you mentioned none of them are calling for internal break up of their country.

You are missing the point you made. You spoke of having a stake in a country as reason and I just presented you with a reason that is not good enough.

Let me even assume you have a point and follow your last sentence. Now tell me how does anyone asking for a break up of his country senseless? Is an intending divorcee senseless for trying to be alone?

tsdarkside:
sooo,you await from us to explain everything to you......do you know how to wipe your yansh after you take a dump or we should explain that to you too.....??

You've had your chance. Let's try other hands.

pryme:
It's senseless cos the Ibos have a big stake in Nigeria, apart from the Ibos not producing a President since the introduction of democracy tell me where the Ibos are inferior to other Ethnic groups.

Is that why it is senseless?

The Jews have a stake in America and run that nations economy but they have a country of their own which is Israel.

The Chinese are not treated with any form of inferiority in America but they have their own country.

How does having a stake in a country and treating one 'truly fairly' make secession senseless? Give me something logically solid.

Since the whole world have a stake in each other's country can we say having a country is useless and the need for a One World Order necessary?

tsdarkside:
then dont lisen....put yourself and your people in danger....i dont care.......

Education is very important, even informal ones. As long as it is sound.

tsdarkside:
why the hell should i explain that to you?...

change the rules....

but even if you change the rules,i dont think most igbos would agree leaving nigeria....leave to what?...

Smh. I thought you could provide an answer. Give it a rest.