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akintom:
Your opinion.
I have defined myself, and if you can't relate with that, you can end it there.

It is more than just an opinion. It is good we understand what we claim to be. The word agnostic atheist is grammatically and philosophically incorrect, so why still hold onto it?

BaEnki:
Yes very right, that's why there are substance induced truth, which we can really call false.

So how does anything make sense or nothing does?

akintom:
Understand that atheism is not a philosophical or ideological position.

Rather, atheism(for the lack of appropriate word) is a "response position" to the idea of the claim of existence of gods.

Below are 17 different ways, that folks respond god idea:

https://www.nairaland.com/3675917/17-kinds-atheism

I am agnostic atheists - i simply lack belief in the claim of the existence of gods.

You can take me up on this position.

You are a what? Fire! Brimstones! What!!!

The words agnostic atheism is a failure of English Language. You are either an Atheist, An Agnostic, A Theist, A Deist, A Panentheist, A Pantheist, A Godist, etc., not a combination of both.

Agnostic-atheist is transliterated to mean 'I can't know if there is a God and I know there's no God'. This is the sense you'd find in words like a Married Bachelor, an Engaged Single and an Islamic Christian.

BaEnki:
You've been answered Mr Sapiosexuallity by yourself, nice nickname bro. Truth is not constant that's why its subjective. A mad man in his objectivity is always right same thing to a drunk man, that's his truth but a false to you..

Tom was right to you, but he wasn't to other men.

I'm yet to see the answer. Assuming a person holds lions to be herbivores and tried to feed them herbs but is killed and fed on instead, would it still be correct to say that this person was right?

akintom:
Your crime is your attitude, that insulted intellectual honesty, which is extremely odious to an intelligent mind.

If there's any element of decency in you, go back to my answer, which i gave to your question on how logical is atheism.

Then you will be making a coherent sense here.

You gave me a link which I perused but couldn't see any trace of my answer. You were arguing how atheism makes sense from the angle of the burden of proof.

The burden of proof for theism is left for theism with respect to theists. The burden of proof for theism is left to theists with respect to rational skeptics. Atheism does not pass the mark for rational skepticism.

A rational skeptic freely thinks. I've been gentle on you. You know, atheists don't just claim to belief in no God, they also claim there's no God and you'd lying to yourself pretending ignorance of this.

Factor that in. How then did he or she come to arrive at the conclusion that there is no God. Inadequate theists explanations? Now we are back to the bridge. Absence of evidence is neither presence or absence of existence.

BaEnki:
Truth is subjective bro.

What's your truth?

Truth is subjective? Can I then, using my subjective truth, say, your truth is objective? Whatever I say makes sense? Does subjectivism has a limit and what takes over when it reaches it?

Truth is constant. If it is, our understanding of them–even though poor, will never denature it. Like Tom said, a lion is a carnivore, you can show us it is a herbivore by going close to it.

BaEnki:
Your subtilty disagrees itself, I wish we could talk this on phone I hate typing much

Projecting an idea totally differs from submitting to the same idea, talking about God's nature? Even Pope or Adeboye won't convincingly explain that, reason we have many factions in all religions affiliation all over the world, The truth is you can't understand a vague concept no matter how you tries.

How does it disagree itself? How is Allah, Yahweh, Olodumere, Vishnu, etc, one and the same thing?

akintom:
You're all empty claims, in the very class of religious folks.
*you present no personal ideological/philosophical stand point of yours here.

*you're irritatingly dishonest (omitting salient points in my comments, when you're replying).

* you're stupidly fraudulent (by quoting falsely, without apologizing when i pointed it out to you).

* you're mischievous in the infantile type (you kept going over the same question, without discussing my answer first).

How am I supposed to engage a shifting cloud like you?

Your challenge has been cleared, by the least entrant into atheism.

Easy lines. It seems at this level your IQ does the Midas Touch with everything. What really is the problem:

'I present no philosophical point of mine, I'm dishonest, fraudulent or mischievous?'

Mr Atheist, is my crime simply that I called atheism a belief or what exactly?

BaEnki:
This is not for me though, but whatever

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Arguing for or against religion is irrelevant to me,
Won't I be stupid to be arguing how logical Atheism is or how illogical deism is?

As a grown up, we have reasons for our actions and conclusions which according to me should be kept private.

Are you interested in what is true?

BaEnki:
Seriously I don't know maybe you're kidding here, but let me clear your doubt if you ain't,

I studied the Yoruba religion(īfa) and I come to term with the fact that Olodumere means the supreme God which the ifa priest worships in a way contrasted to the Christian's way.

Allah is an Arabic word which still means the Almighty/supreme God, yet there are still many sects in Islam, and their worship mode too contrasts the Christians'.

So may I ask you, who is right in the world? And who is wrong? Some people call you a sinner for worshipping your God in your own way? Were they right, who is right in the scheme of things then? I'll say nobody because they all justify their wrongs to be right. Like I've said earlier, the concept of God is very vague. So I'll rather remain an Atheist.

I'm not kidding, I'm serous.

There's a difference between the idea of the supreme God and the supreme God. What Ifa religion, like every religion do, is to project an idea of the supreme God.

These ideas, owing to difference in Modus Operandi, never agree on the nature of the Supreme God. Different characters are operationally mutually exclusive.

The Arabic word for God is Ilah and not Allah. Allah is different from Olodumare in both operation and accepted worship. Their natures, as described the respective religions, are different, and thus cannot be the same.

The right person is the one who responds to a property with respect to its nature. A person who steals takes what doesn't belong to them. The man who knows what we call the ones who steal among us is the right one.

akintom:
You see, on intellectual and honest discussion, I say this with all sense of responsibility, am at distinction mark.

Judging from your submission here today, you're simply -

*intellectually bereft of honesty and decency.
*fraudulent in your rebuttals
*incoherent in thought
*mischievous in infantile type

I have indulged you on the above irritating intellectual misdemeanors, and beyond reasonable doubt, you don't worth my serious attention.

I don't quit, i simply let fools writhe in filth.

See, he's ready to dwell on irrelevancies but can't continue.

Simple question, show me how Atheism is not more cancerous than the theism forced down our throats and of a sudden he selects who's beneath his intellect.

But you atheists stay here all day ridiculing folks and at the same time admit there place on the intellectual ladder is beneath your feet. What exactly changed now, Mr Atheist?

You opened a thread ridiculing people you assume are outside your intellectual radar but you can't engage and ridicule a new lump of intellectual mischief? Isn't that a contradiction?

Of course you and I know the question is the problem. My stake is still open. You can share it among your atheists friends. Any one in this Forum, in Nigeria or anywhere who can show me how Atheism is logical I'd DEACTIVATE and pay you a sum.

BaEnki:
Okey bro, its very simple and I'll make thid as simple as possible;

Now think about the different religions group and sects we have on this planet, all sworn their allegiance to a God though with different creation stories but still hold the believe in one High God, yet they argues and fight each other to please and defend the same one God, to me it's a fool that argues or fight on a vague course.

You hold your peace on your choice of belief and I hold mine.

To me the concept of God/creator is so vague.

But no two religions, at least in Nigeria, believe in One God. You can show me otherwise.

Even a two-story building is a mansion. And it's worth 160m.

akintom:
I can now on reasonable ground, conclude that you're not to be taken seriously after all.

*you quoted falsely, and pointed it out to you. A decent mind will apologize for that. Not you.
*in the analogy that i just gave, i asterisked extraneous factors. Yet you're throwing up here.

Your subsequent post may not get a reply henceforth, as i don't find creeps interesting.

Is that so? Just like that? But if it were to be about God your ink will never spot any idiocy to illicit dryness.

If I had made it about the ineffectiveness of Religions you could spend lines cussing and the urge to let stupidity be will never get a pulse.

The only ground to quit at this point is that same one the theist is possessed with when he's struck out but his ignorance, haven taken quantum leaps, seeps out arrogance. It is self destructing. You've got no reasonable ground to quit now.

frank317:
Nope.... But what's ur point?

When you responded 'Nice one' to such conclusion I had hoped you bought his submission. Here you disagree.

akintom:
Using this your above analogy.

If a 10 years old boy who lives alone with his mother, in a three bedroom flat, suddenly or gradually begin to search in a manner of looking for hiding friend(s), as it obtains in a hide-and-seek game.

The mother then asked the boy, who he's searching out. The boy says, my friends that are hiding in this flat.

Haven established the following:

* the mother is sure it's just two of them in the flat, at that particular time.

* the flat is fenced, and no other person within the compound.

Despite these, the boy still insisted that his friends are hiding in the flat.

At this point, the mother can rationally suspect hallucination, delusion, disorientation, sleepwalking etc.

This rational suspicion, is based on the ABSENCE of EVIDENCE of any friend in the flat.

Therefore, absence of evidence, is the evidence of absence.

Seems I've thrown you a nice analogy. Very good. But then the mum doesn't know for a fact it's just the both of them in the room. She, just like the little boy, just believe so. Isn't that the position of atheism?

Now, the mum who also base her statement on just her belief in her high fence(not really a hundred percent house search) laughs at the boy for his disorientation, isn't this the surest indication for cancer?

akintom:
https://www.nairaland.com/3672486/absence-evidence-evidence-absence

Your thread didn't say how absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Maybe you should read it again. You see, I stake my handle, if you can prove to me how Absence of Evidence is Evidence of Absence(How Atheism is Logical) I'd DEACTIVATE this account.

akintom:
Absence of evidence.

Logically, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Obviously you don't agree, so tell me, how is absence of evidence the evidence for which any rational thought be built for absence of existence?

If in a hide-and-seek game, the one whose turn is it to search searches for his/her peers and couldn't find them, absence of evidence occur, would that form a rational basis for the evidence of absence? Explain.

akintom:
You may have to read this simple piece again. If you understand what the piece explained in simple English, you wouldn't ask this question.

Twenty four words to criticize instead of a Yes or No.

From your definition(leave the unnecessary part) Atheism is just a Belief there is no God. Would I be wrong to say atheists, in defence of atheism, build their conclusions on "Faith" based premises?

akintom:
By Frank Fernandez

This is your first problem. Atheist don't say that there's no god. Atheists say that they don't believe the claim that God exists. These are two very different things.

One is the rejection of a positive claim. The other is a positive claim. Someone who says they don't believe in a God has no need to disprove the God claim.

The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. If you claim that a god does exist then it's YOUR job to prove it. It's not the other person's job to prove it false.

If someone says the there is no God, they are now making a claim that does carry a burden of proof. But we atheists don't claim that God, in fact, does not exist. We simply reject the claims that one does.

So you can toss all the word salads you want. But you're not gonna pin the burden of proof on us. You claim that God is real, then it's your job to prove it. Plain and simple.

Very good. So what atheism has is a 'BELIEF' and not a 'FACT' that there's no God? A simply yes will do.

frank317:
Nice one but the problem is... If God exists how what should he do about our differences? If you, an ordinary human can understand this fact about human? How then should our creator handle it... Why the silence?

Nice one? If a thing meets the criteria of a feminine human, would it still be considered rational to describe his physical attribute as masculine?

BaEnki:
Hello!

Arguing for or against any choice of belief can easily renders anyone an ignoramus which I've chosen to avoid, our views on the same topic are always subjective and parallel, you can call my house white while I see it as black, though in my mind based on my on definition.

If you find peace in whatever you do, continue doing it.

How would arguing for or against a belief make one an ignoramus?

akintom:
Which illogical proposition in atheism, are you referring to specifically?

Very good. I'm impressed.

It is not an illogical proposition in Atheism but Atheism is the illogical proposition. I've been thinking: 'If absence of evidence is not evidence of presence(or absence) on what ground is atheism logical?'

The question is, how was atheism arrived at from rational thought?

akintom:
You're an evidence of how morbidly and intellectually dishonest, christards are.

It's obvious that you don't understand a word in logic. If not you wouldn't be asking atheists, how god idea is both primitive and idiotic.

Don't make it simplistic. I'm not arguing for God or for theism but questioning the basis on which any deluded person calls other deluded people deluded.

So, Mr Atheist, how is atheism a logical position? How is atheism not a worse display of arrogant ignorance?

Don't try to use God as your helping hand. Show me you are better than theists lime you claim to be. If theists are dumb how does an atheist know and still calls himself an atheist? Go on, you have the floor.

Guys, I need your guidance here. This invite screams scam.

Sapiosexuality:
Good morning, Debbie. Please do you or anyone have any info on the company Marine Logistics.

 

Thank you for indicating an interest in a position in MLogistics Plc. We wish to inform you that you are been invited to take an assessment test. Please see details below: 

I was sent this invite:

Date:   Tuesday, 14th of March, 2017 Time:   9 am. Venue: FICAN Building. 19B Bode Thomas Rd, Shomolu LGA, Onipanu, Lagos.

You will be required to come along with a colour passport photograph and ONLY the documents specified below (Original Copies):

Identification document – Driver’s Licence, International Passport or National ID card

Birth certificate/ affidavit of age declarationO' Level certificate (WAEC and NECO with 5 C's including Mathematics and English)B.Sc degree certificate (Full-time with a minimum of 2.2 in any discipline)

Thanks.

Anyone know this company. My research so far is pointing at scam. I was sent this invite.

Sapiosexuality:
Good morning, Debbie. Please do you or anyone have any info on the company Marine Logistics.

 

Thank you for indicating an interest in a position in MLogistics Plc. We wish to inform you that you are been invited to take an assessment test. Please see details below: 

I was sent this invite:

Date:   Tuesday, 14th of March, 2017 Time:   9 am. Venue: FICAN Building. 19B Bode Thomas Rd, Shomolu LGA, Onipanu, Lagos.

You will be required to come along with a colour passport photograph and ONLY the documents specified below (Original Copies):

Identification document – Driver’s Licence, International Passport or National ID card

Birth certificate/ affidavit of age declarationO' Level certificate (WAEC and NECO with 5 C's including Mathematics and English)B.Sc degree certificate (Full-time with a minimum of 2.2 in any discipline)

Thanks.

Niflheim:
@akintom,

Expecting honesty from a christian, is like expecting "intelligence" from Pinkie in "Pinkie and the Brain!!!"...............................It is at best, a fantasy, but at worst, a costly error!!!

It's the same thing with an atheist. No thinking man will call himself an atheist. Expecting honesty from one feels like losing his/her atheistic faith.

akintom:
Yes, as long as you remain intellectually dishonest.

Atheism is not a position of superior knowledge either. Like I've been asking your fellow atheists, 'How is Atheism Logical?

Good morning, Debbie. Please do you or anyone have any info on the company Marine Logistics.

 

Thank you for indicating an interest in a position in MLogistics Plc. We wish to inform you that you are been invited to take an assessment test. Please see details below: 

I was sent this invite:

Date:   Tuesday, 14th of March, 2017 Time:   9 am. Venue: FICAN Building. 19B Bode Thomas Rd, Shomolu LGA, Onipanu, Lagos.

You will be required to come along with a colour passport photograph and ONLY the documents specified below (Original Copies):

Identification document – Driver’s Licence, International Passport or National ID card

Birth certificate/ affidavit of age declarationO' Level certificate (WAEC and NECO with 5 C's including Mathematics and English)B.Sc degree certificate (Full-time with a minimum of 2.2 in any discipline)

Thanks.

Guys, please, anyone with knowledge of Marine Logistics? Their website doesn't say much. I've got an assessment invite for Customer Care Representative.

What problem did he solve by coming out as best graduating student?

^^^Hahaha. You can open a chin-chin company.