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schmuck:
@sarmy,

You are quite right sarmy. Things are not what they seem to be AT ALL.

First, have an open mind.

Even before I started knowing about all these things, I have known from my young age that we cannot possibly be the only intelligent being in the whole universe.
Out of the whole universe, we have galaxies in which Milky Way is one, in the galaxies we have star systems (in our own case solar system), then we have several planets in our solar system where [b]Earth [/b]is one.

I used to wonder; is it possible that out of all those universes, it is only this tiny planet inside solar system that has life

Now, people are beginning to realize that intelligent life abound all over the universe. In fact, there is hardly any star system that does not have intelligent beings residing there.

Human on earth, we are still very very low on intelligent/technology/spiritual scale compared to these beings.

Again, they occupy a different dimension from us, that is the reason we have not been able to see them with our naked eyes. Those beings, most of them are now in the fifth, sixth even seventh dimension.

As we evolve on earth, we too will ascend to the fifth dimension.

The E.Ts started taking interest in earth again after WWII when we unleash the terror of Nuclear/Hydrogen Bomb, they are concerned because such actions can & will affect the order of things in the galaxy especially if earth people should destroy this planet.

The Prime Creator created everything in the universe in harmony and love.

The faster we embrace LOVE & HARMONY, the faster we will evolve and easier it will be for us when this world comes to an end as we know it.

Thanks for the add info

who if I may ask this prime creator? and why all these galaxies, planets & universes, what's he up to?

schmuck:
What we are discussing here is by no means a joke.

Earth human need to evolve or ascend into higher vibration to really know their origin and connect back to their source/creator.

We on earth do not normally perceive these higher beings because we operate in the third-dimension which is very dense and veiled from the higher vibrational frequency dimensions.

Very soon, earth will evolve with every being on it into the fifth dimension through the fourth. Then we will see and behold the true nature of our universe, then we will be able to see other beings that make up the galactic federation in which the people of the earth have no representative yet because we are still operating in the third dimension.

During this ascension of earth, those that are too hooked on earthly/mundane things will not be able to evolve/ascend and will be forced to start over the perfection of their soul in another third dimension planet suited to them.

Before the earth can ascend into this fifth dimension, there will be physical cleansing of earth. Earth will shift from its axis.

This will cause great catastrophe and disasters on earth. Then those that are ready to evolve, those that are living in LOVE and HARMONY, those that are spiritually matured, that have attained the higher frequency will be rescued by the Galactic Fleet stationed about 7000 miles above the planet even now.

The method they will employ is what we call BEAMING. That is, people will be beamed up into those ships electromagnetically where they will be furher tuned into the right frequency to live in that dimension.

Note: All this occurence is what was recorded in the Bible as second coming, where people will be raptured/transformed and be taken to heaven.

Where do you get all these from, can you provide more information, things are not as we probably thought they are.

Cheers!

Unless you have superfluous knowledge of everything under heaven [b]you can not be so sure [/b]there is no God

No one can believe more than his level of awareness, we all believe based on our level of awareness.

Personally, God is the originator, initiator, creator, starter and the invisible force of life. You can call Him different names based on your belief system.

It's possible for one not to be able to comprehend his existence due to present level of awareness, this level can still change if not having a closed mind or perfect in all.

Location unknown, there is more to that story than we probably know.

Garden of Eden can not be interpreted as a physical location alone, there is more to it, if not then eating of fruit, serpent talking etc will be real

Professionals & psychologists, what purpose is dreaming for babies, can someone explain this further.

Very OK

Is this world perfectly OK?

Garden of Eden is a place in between physical and Spiritual realm, you can not find the place here on earth.

Krayola2:
If we always did good the world would be a great place. That is a good enough reason. There is no God waiting to throw u in hell for having a wet dream

Could it be that this world is not as real is it seems, the real life is pure, perfect, everlasting.

If though we are not as good as God knows how to give good things to our children, how much more a perfect God, how could He have given an imperfect, evil world as the REAL life.

This could only be a dream, most especially Nigeria and other African countries, a loving father would give much better life as the real life.

Point is: God is REAL, this present life not the REAL life, God can not be blamed for our present life created through our collective 'dream'

Abuzola:
Same god encouraging incest

Did you hear him say he encouraged incest?

girl22:
upon researching this, it has been stated the subconscious knows all. for instance how many of you have dreamed of the something that later on happened?

thats how divinations like the tarot cards work, you ask the subconscious mind to guide your hands rather than your conscious and whatever cards has the info you need to know for the future, your subconsious wiill guide you to them.


people can break crack addictions they have had for years with in two weeks by using the subconsious mind. things such as self hypnosis and and playing tapes while sleep can change your life.

the subconscious mind guide actions, while the conscous mind acts them out.


many people have phobias, addictions and problems because they are consciously trying to change their life, while subconsciuosly they still may like crack, or will still be scared.

so in short you have to train your subconscious mind in order to live to your highest potential or change your life.

This is a very good topic for all, most of us have not fully understand how we can train our subconscious mind (SM) for better results, our SM is out Strong Room and like computer GIGO, garbage in, garbage out, we can not get anything out which we have not programmed into it, either consciously or unconsciously

Whatever we programmed into this subconscious mind determines our life results

Unfortunately, there are mind viruses daily attacking this super computer (SM), may we continue to learn new ways to get rid of these viruses so we can live our full potentials here on earth.

Same God relating with man according to his level of conciousness.

Just like a father, his relationship with a 2months old baby will be different from the way he will relate with a 30 year old son.

God is God any day any time, still a loving father.

Destiny is nothing more than what happened due to our previous actions made either consciously or unconsciously.

Our present situation is caused by previous actions made consciously or unconsciously by us

Gen 1:27 [/b]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (God is Spirit so man must have been created as a Spirit Man)

[b]Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Everything was made satisfactorily)

[b]Gen 2:17 [/b]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (a good God would have prevented a sudden death of his new creature by all means knowing fully well their innermost thoughts)

[b]Gen 2:21 [/b]And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Before he ate the forbidden fruit, he had a deep sleep, he slept, what happened after he slept could be dream.

Alternately, could it be that he actually died after eating the forbidden fruits as warned by God in verse 17 above, that death could also be a separation from God or a deep sleep, or a cut off from source / from paradise, or a blind folding or an illusion, hence all we see here on earth

solosimple:
2Tim 2:16

Please, I'm not making any assertion or preaching any religion doctine, this is just a question, it's not to promote any kind of ungodliness. Thanks

duduspace:
I don't take your conclusion as insulting at all  , I am not as abrasive as some of my posts might suggest.

I agree that I might not have given as much thought or study as the people who presented these ideas and that is the reason why I'm asking the questions I did.
My first answer was a tongue in cheek answer to the literal meaning of the title of the thread.

When deep asleep, our dreams are as real as anything, similarly what if this present life is a dream though it appears real, what if our actual life exist outside of this present one.

Many will agree with the following that:-

1. This present life is for a brief moment, at most 150years or less, to be fair enough

2. It's also full of happiness to some while some live their entire life full of sorrows

3. We are not made of body alone, there is a spirit also in us

4. If our body evolved from apes, where did our spirit come from

5. Who made what we are made from both body & spirit

6. If someone contributed to our making, where is he and where does he live

7. How come he has not shown himself physically to proof that he exist or do something to let at least 60% of life inhabitants enjoy

8. To him who made us, how important is this our physical life which is for a brief moment and also with more than 50% of it's people suffering daily

9. What if to him, this our physical life is just dream or unreal or a movie, and knows we would soon wake up, would he be so concerned

10. There are so many things that point to the fact that this life may [/b]not be as real as it seems

[b]Please note: this is not to say that this present life is worthless or useless, we might all be going through this phase as part of a bigger picture in the scheme of things in order to fulfil the original plan of our maker.

One thing is sure, Whoever made us could only have been a loving father, caring and almighty one. This present life has not presented him in such a good light (reason why so many people does not believe he exist) but to him, we may all be dreaming.

why do you beleive our present identities is a false one?

This is not to say that this present life is a false one but [b]may [/b]not be the real one, we can't just rule out the fact that it could be a dream of the choices that we've made to try and exist eternaly as children of God outside of this present life

I'm sure you will agree that life here is for a brief moment, the brief moment here on earth definitely can not be all that is, we came from somewhere and we would go back to our source.

A lot of questions and no anwers,

Like I said before, I don't have all the answers

I can see from the portion in bold that your working theory is that the answer to your question is yes but you have not stated exactly why you beleive this. My point precisely is that the answer to your question does not have to be yes for mankind to be better generally.

This is only a matter of opinion

It wouldn't matter would it, cos yu would just be waking up for something akin to a bad dream anyway?
If the core message of Christ needed such a belief before it can be promoted, Jesus himself would have answered that question for us, besides Jesus himself never said that we were in some sort of dream state did he?
You haven't shown that we are in a dream yet, but you are already suggesting levels of the dream?
Also, you have not answered the question if you've ever known of anyone actually interacting physically with any entity from their dreams.

It's difficult to proof and I'm not in a position to convince you or anyone on this matter, it's difficult to explain,

@duduspace

You can only speak for yourself and not for anyone else, there are people selfless in loving others both within the religious and atheistic camps. You don't need to turn reality (as we know it) into a dream before you realise that we are all of a family, the name of the family is mankind.

Not enough, we need more selfless people, this can only be possible with more insight.

No one can turn reality in to dream, but dream can be turned into reality, that is when this world will be of a better place.

We are all related, in fact we are not only related to other men but also to apes, baboons, monkeys and other animals (if the theory of evolution and genetic analysis are true), we don't have to disconnect from reality before understanding or accepting that as a fact.

I'm not disputing that, but that we should consider and see far beyond this material world, probably we could find out a more real life exist outside of this present one, we don't need to disconnect from here but could be re-connected back to our original source

I don't believe in God but we can genuinely appreciate our fellow men without disconnecting from the reality we now know.

I appreciate you and what you believe in, we do not really need to disconnect from here to be awaken to the consciousness of our origin which may be far more real than this present one.

@duduspace

Where exactly are you going with this and how useful is this question to us?

This is just a question, I may not have all the answers but this question may point us to identifying our true identity outside of this material life which may be unreal in itself.

This could assist us in providing answers to the many other questions of life, promote love, forgiveness and many more

Is it your hypothesis that we are in a dream? If so, what are your reasons for coming up with such hypothesis?

Not mine, but occurred to me long time ago @ age 12, I thought I was alone until recently I read about this question from somewhere else.

What if, our consciousness is awaken to the realization that this world we live could be less than real to our real self, what if in our real life, we are all in oneness.

Do you want us to wake up? if so how exactly do you intend to do that?

The more we are awaken, the better we would be generally, that's the core message of Christ, he associated with the supposed sinners because he saw things differently.

The starting point will be to promote the core message of Christ, love, NOT religion, church, color or race

Why not bother about this after yu've woken up to actually discover that you were dreaming or in an illusion?

Yes, one can do this. What, if one has journeyed to a strange land and came back home before realizing his neighbor over there was his lost cousin, what if he awaken to that realization while over there.

It seems obvious to me that you will never be able to understand that you are in a dream or an illusion until you are out of it and my reason is simple as I've never seen someone discussing with their dreaming selves or interacting with any of the entities in their dreams.

It all depends on our level consciousness as @ the time of the dream.

Did you just watch the Matrix?

No

duduspace:
I'll bother about this question after I've woken up from the dream.

Yes, but genuine love is far less among men, most often our love is really based on what we can get in return, if we know our real self and that we are of a family over there, we may begin to see things differently, this unreal world may begin to be of a more pleasant dream

OK, how do we explain various behaviors of others, how could a loving father be watching his children killing themselves thousands of years as if we made ourselves, what of those natural events we can not directly control

What if we are all related and one over there, but here, our dream has made us all seem separate from one another and separated from our original source, hence all we see.

How do we genuinely appreciate almighty God and our fellow men, if we are totally disconnected from our real self and if this life is the real one.

tpiah:
nice thought, but unfortunately, the world is all too real.

Even if its a dream, its a very realistic one.

The world is all too real, but that's what we think even when we are deep asleep, most of the time it's always very real to us, could this be a pointer to something higher.

One day dream from outside of this material world may be equivalent to a 100years here on earth, so to us it seems real but to them, here is unreal.

Sometimes when we dream in a deep sleep, the dream becomes so real but still is a dream

Some other time we realise even in the dream that it's just a dream

If you relate this also to this material world, we might be having dreams within dream

Ecc

1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all [is] vanity.

1:3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

1:4 [One] generation passeth away, and [another] generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.


1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.

1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all [things] that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all [is] vanity and vexation of spirit.



Why would God create vanity upon vanities unless if truly this life is all but vanities and just a dream?

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept:

Since this story of Adam may be symbolic as to what happens to all men pre-material world, could it be that men are yet to wake up from that deep sleep, hence all we see in this imperfect world.

Would you worry less, forgive and love more if all we see and going through are just dream




If you ever thought about this, kindly share what you think

"All of life’s a stage" It’s an old question in philosophy and religion:

Is our experience of life in this world real?

It sounds a little crazy to ask the question, doesn’t it? It makes you think of people who are mentally unbalanced, who can’t tell the difference between the world they live in and the hallucinations that run around in their heads.

What do people mean when they ask if our experience of life in this world is real?

There are many questions hiding behind the simple world “real”

Do our senses give us an accurate picture of the world outside of us, uncolored by our personal experience and expectations? Here we’re asking whether we get a clear picture of the “real” world, or whether we’re at least partially living in a world colored by our fears and desires.

Is this world and our experience of it a superficial or limited experience of a deeper, larger, more profound reality? What if our life on this earth is just a brief moment in a much greater existence. What if there are other dimensions of existence that we live in before and after we come to this world? If true, then our life on earth has a certain reality to it, but it pales when compared with our broader existence.

Is this world planned, structured, and orchestrated with some purpose in mind? This question is an add-on to the last one. What if our time in this world is somewhat scripted and purposeful. What if we’re here to learn some lesson, or accomplish some spiritual task before moving on to another existence? If so, this world is real to a point. Like a play or a simulation, it may have meaning, but there’s so much going on beyond the stage and beyond the simulator.

Is this world an illusion? Does this world, like a magician, use some kind of misdirection to get me to focus on the more trivial aspects of existence and ignore more fundamental, more important aspects of existence?

What’s the difference?

Ok. What’s the difference whether this world is real?
What’s the difference to me right now if there are other realities that I’m not aware of.
Even if I was some sort of lab rat being observed, who cares?
I’m here, I’m alive. I’ve got to play the game according to what I can see.

I could imagine a thousand alternate stories for what’s beyond this world.
But they might be pure fantasy. Seems better then, to just focus on what I can see, doesn’t it? Even if we’re like the people in The Matrix, serving as unwitting but happy slaves, wouldn’t we rather not know?

Brave new world, Maybe, or maybe not. It depends.

It depends on whether we have the ability to see beyond the world that we’re currently living in.

It depends on whether we have the capability to use knowledge of other realities to change ourselves and this world to become something much greater.

If we can rise up, take off the blinders and live differently, then there is a point in knowing whether there’s more to the world than what we’ve been told.

Not yet
Let’s say this all sounds pretty far fetched to you, and way beyond your experience.
What then?

Well, I have one more uncomfortable version of “is life real” to throw at you.

Am I living the life that I’m capable of living with all my talents? Have I fully explored the possibilities within me?

Can any of us really say that we’re living life 100%, and living up to the possibilities hidden away within us?

Can you and I live lives dramatically more powerful than the lives we’re living now?

If we feel and know that we can find and live a greatness that we’ve only seen hints of, then our current lives must be looked at as shadows of the real life that we can live in this world.

The answer to the question, “Is life real?”, might just be: “Not yet.”

http://fearlessdreams.com/blog/is-life-real-or-just-a-dream_78.html

Please I need some inputs from you guys, what could have made Kind Solomon say Life is vanity upon vanity, all is vanity, Is there a way to prove that our reality is the real reality? are we all living in our dreams here on earth, when shall we wake up from this dream?

Would a loving father, all powerful, all knowing be responsible for this imperfect world, if we all know how to give good things to our children, how much more the almighty father? how would you feel if you are the almighty father monitoring all daily activities in this imperfect world for 6,000+ years, how much headache would you have if you care really?




Friends!

huxley:
What would it cost God (Jesus) to forgive everyone on earth (past, present and future) and thus accept everyone into heaven? Would it cost him his pride, his prestige, his honour, or what? If God is omniscient and omnipotent then repentance on our part is unnecessary for he already knows in advance when we are going to sin and when we are going to repent, if we repent.

If we don't repent, what is the cost to him if he forgives us anyway?

You can not be so sure you will not repent, when it's time no one can stop you from being saved

The answer in my opinion is that it does not cost God anymore thing to save all, the price has been fully paid, the program also is on the RUN

@huxley, I like some of your posts, it makes one search the more, I think God is preparing you for great tasks ahead.

banom:
Are you saying that his own way of con is different from that of Con Adeboye

Diff pastors diff methods, but as far as I know, there is no extortion in his method, if you like you give and if you don't like you don't give no extortion.

Yes he is a living Legend, why can't he be a legend after [b]extoting [/b]poor people and used their money to buy private jet, build university and enroll them and still collect school fees from them,he will still  build another one with their money,

I wonder why they did not put him since his collegue Adeboye is there.

@banon, no extortion of money in Winners, no threat of hell fire if you give not. Thanks

Does this include the floor, bathroom tiles or just the walls in/out?

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m_nwankwo:
The questions raised by the poster are essentail in understanding the spiritual journey of human beings. The poster presume that a child that died at birth is incarnating on earth for the first time. If that is tha case, such a child can not go to hell since he has not commited any sin, but neither can he go to heaven since he has not the oppurtunity to learn and live according to the will of God. Ignorance is not a substitute for obedience to the will of God. Thus to say that such a child will go to heaven or hell is like giving a pass or fail grade to a student who never sat for the exam and did not even attend the course. Indeed most people will show a moral outrage if their son or daugher or themselves is graded for an exam he never attended the course, never registered for the course and never sat for the exam. To pass or fail a student who never registered for a course nor sat for an exam is pure INJUSTICE which most people can easily recognise. In a similar way, it will be injustice for a child that died after birth to be sent to heaven or hell because in each instance he or she have not been given the opportunity to pass or fail the spiritual exam which is living in the sense of the will of God. If one of the attributes of God is justice, then it will be unjust not to give the spirit of such a child the opportunity to pass or fail according to the will of God. Since God cannot be unjust, it then follows that the spirit of such a child had already had opportunities before this present unsuccessful incarnation in the flesh or will have a new opportunity of fresh incarnation in the fresh. In both cases, re-incarnation is involved. Re-incarnation rightly understood will solve what often seems enigmatic and inexplicable.

Thanks for this analogy; this is the only reasonable answer for the dead children

If you say they get automatic ticket to heaven, that still make God unjust because it would have been better for some to die as a child and go to heaven than to die poor as adult who neither enjoyed life but will suffer eternity in hell for not accepting Christ whom he probably knew nothing about


The only reasonable answer if for them to retake i.e come back again in flesh and be subjected to life experience like others

m_nwankwo:
I am aware that many christian groups do not believe in reincarnation. Thus I am not justifying my conviction in re-incarnation with the bible. Sure, a fufilled life is recognition and obedience to the will of God. Only when a spirit attains that does it possess the spiritual maturity to return to heaven. Thus as strange as it may sound, a new born child is only new with respect to the body but the spirit has already had numerous re-incarnations. The spirit already carries the experiences from previous incarnations. That is why some are born in poverty, others in royalty, some with disease resistant genes, others with infection prone genes, some are born blind, others with 20-20 vision, some succeed without effort while others fail inspite of much hardwork etc. Our circumstances in this present existence is but a snapshot of our harvest from previous and present incarnation. However if one can survey his entire existence, not just the present one, he os she will find clear reasons for whatever is his or her present circumstances.

Some passages seem to suggest possibility of reincarnation in the bible, but this doctrine might have been silenced so one can put best in this present life seeing it as the only and last opportunity while providing no answer to some other interesting questions

Gamine:
Escape to Where?

Murango?

I wonder, or may be to Chicago

But on a serious note, when one look at the world's events critically, even though we may be living comfortably well at this moment, but millions of other people are suffering every day, some not as a result of their making presently but they found themselves living in such a condition by default, is there any way of escape for them?

Also in another situation where many have been making unsuccessful attempt to escape to a white man country in search of a better life, and those in such countries were not 100% satisfied with ongoing events, there exists in every soul a desire for something better, present life may not be satisfactory, then why are we here and how do we escape; from unwanted present life to a better one or God's kingdom to come?

m_nwankwo:
There is no one who have not at one point in his existence been blessed with riches and the very good things of life. All that happens to us is a tastement to the incorruptible justice and love of God which returns to each person the fruits of his seeds. Whatever our circumstances we should look deep into our souls and ask God for his help, then the bandage before our eyes will fall away and we will see that in all that has happened or will happen to us is a consequence of our free will. If we submit our free will to the will of God, then our guit from former times will be mitigated or even abrogated. It is a special grace of God that we are permitted the possiblity to become a human spirit, a servant of God.

I really appreciate this exposition, this has always been my line of thinking but I wonder why Christianity does not teach this subject even though it enables us to love and appreciate God the more, without a good understanding of why we are here, some may continue to doubt if God is Just, and we may not know how to effectively make this life a better place for now and the life to come (becoming a religious person is definitely not enough)

I have read on this forum where many even doubt the existence of God due to the happenings in the world, others because of the stories in the bible which they can not reconcile with the image of God, but if this concept is well understood it could be an eye opener to all

m_nwankwo:
Thank you too. Stay blessed!

Can you also clarify this further, where Freewill starts from, in the spirit or physical realm?

Who decides being born into the physical body the first time, was there any choice, or was it by necessity

Was there a choice of where to be born etc I still wonder why one is born in Africa where there is struggle for basic life/survival while some in Europe or America and some in Iraq, or some when life was terribly bad slavery, war, etc.

How do we justify where one is born for the first time?