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Health / Re: Doctors Operate On Woman 21 Times, Set To Conduct The 22nd Surgery. Photo by sartorius(m): 11:07pm On May 22, 2018
BigBrother9ja:
Chai

Naija doctors are dramatically semi-trained...

So, I have this two cousins with issues if appendicitis...
They both did surgery two years ago, one in uk and the other in Abuja.

There is no trace of scar nor complications with the one that did in uk while the one that did in Abuja still has a VERY big scar.


Yeye people
And they'll be agitating for the same salary as the ones abroad.
Maybe it was a laparascopic appendectomy costing several millions of naira compared to 80k-150k open appendectomy where cheaper materials are used.

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Health / Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by sartorius(m): 10:59pm On May 22, 2018
The leadership tussle btw mls/ lab medicine doctors and radiologist/radiographers can be solved with a joint regulatory body and improved pay especially for radiographers because of the hazard of radiation.i also support an increased hazard allowance for them.
Health / Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by sartorius(m): 8:49am On May 22, 2018
The liist should include medical records and Radiographers.
Health / Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by sartorius(m): 8:16am On May 22, 2018
Government should outsource key units like laboratory, pharmacy and also improve on healthcare regulation .

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Health / How Can I Treat My Keloid Scars? by sartorius(m): 12:13am On May 22, 2018
Transformation

Health / Re: PLEASE SAVE MY MOTHERS LIFE SHE'S NOW ON DIALYSIS MACHINE by sartorius(m): 1:25pm On May 20, 2018
Chronic kidney disease also.she needs urgent multispecialist care.
Health / Re: PHOTOS: Doctors Treat 19 Striking Health Workers Involved In Motor Accident by sartorius(m): 11:07am On May 20, 2018
osgab:

That of the doctors have been increased 3x since 2014 but not once for Jordy. Even after fg signed and agreement with them. They are not asking for parity but increase


They are asking for same basic salary and there is no agreement except you can scan d Internet for a copy and show us.

Nb: I support an increment in their wages as well as doctors too.
Health / Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by sartorius(m): 2:12pm On May 19, 2018
Johesu members are clamoring for same basic salary level for level.
Health / Re: Doctors Separate Conjoined Twins In Yola After Hours Of Surgery. Photos by sartorius(m): 7:57am On May 19, 2018
Amarabae:
They don try on this one.
Our wonderful malaria and typhoid specialists.
Kudos to surgeons, the real doctors.
kiss kiss cheesy

I tire for your matter.

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Health / Re: Health Workers Relax Strike In Lagos, Kano, Yobe by sartorius(m): 5:19pm On May 18, 2018
Inspite of johesu. 3rd caeseran section.

Nb. This is a general hospital in Lagos. 18/5/18

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Health / Re: Press Briefing By Johesu Held On Thursday May 17, 2018 by sartorius(m): 9:59pm On May 17, 2018
We are for enhanced wages for all workers
Health / Re: Press Briefing By Johesu Held On Thursday May 17, 2018 by sartorius(m): 9:18pm On May 17, 2018
On why the NMA has threatened to down tools, the newly elected president of the association, Francis Faduyile explained how the implementation of JOHESU demands will alter the existing relativity in the salary scale in the health sector.

“We have been disadvantaged for more than 12 years in the health sector until 2014 when the government realised this and readjusted our salary scale which is CONMESS.

“Now JOHESU is asking for the same readjustment on their salary scheme. If this is done, it means the relativity is altered and we will go back to that position where we are disadvantaged. They are asking that everything for CONMESS point for point, level for level must be the same thing with CONHESS.

“If this is done, it will be a bad morale to us. I am working as a doctor and (I) am collecting N5, another person in service who did not go through the kind of training I went through and is not working as much as I do will still be collecting the same salary, why am I going through all these stress then?

“Before, the salary ratio of doctors and other health workers used to be 3.3 to 1.0 but today we have cut it down to 1.5 to 1.0 almost by 50 per cent so that peace will reign but they just want it to be at par. But we are saying we have given so much to that level of 1.5 and we can’t go beyond that.”

Consolidated Medical Salary Structure, CONMESS, is the salary structure for medical and dental officers in the federal public service while Consolidated Health Salary Structure, CONHESS, is the salary structure for pharmacists, medical laboratory, nurses and other health workers in the health sector of the federal public service.
Health / Re: Press Briefing By Johesu Held On Thursday May 17, 2018 by sartorius(m): 9:02pm On May 17, 2018
Johesu lies

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Health / Re: Press Briefing By Johesu Held On Thursday May 17, 2018 by sartorius(m): 8:45pm On May 17, 2018
Johesu leadership are pathological liars.
Politics / Re: Watch Video Of IG Of Police Nigeria Struggling To Read Speech In Kano (VIDEO) by sartorius(m): 9:06am On May 17, 2018
He just might be dyslexic.
Health / Re: Be Enlightened About The JOHESU Strike!!! by sartorius(m): 9:46pm On May 16, 2018
Timolanki:
Parity, Equity Or Slavery: The Dilemma of the Nigerian Health Sector Wage System.

By Aniey Obot.

The Nigerian health sector has been tumultuous for some times now. It is either members of the Nigerian medical association (NMA) are downing tools using its affiliate, the national association of resident doctors (NARD) as her war horse or the members of the joint health sector unions (JOHESU) are on strike paralyzing health services in the country. Presently, health services in the country have been paralyzed for over three weeks now due to the ongoing strike by members of JOHESU, comprising all health workers aside medical practitioners.
One of the reasons JOHESU, which is a marriage of necessity and convenience of all the registered trade unions in the Nigerian health sector, is on strike, is the wage system in the sector. They are pushing for an equitable and fair wage system, describing the present wage system as a sort of slavery. The NMA which is the umbrella body for all medical and dental practitioners in the country, is seriously pressurizing the government not to grant JOHESU’s demand because according to her, JOHESU is asking for pay parity with doctors. According to NMA, this is against international best practices. This was echoed by the ministers for health and labour who incidentally are members of the NMA.
Parity, Equity and Slavery! These words have been on the front burner of discussions within the sector. NMA is rejecting parity, JOHESU is denouncing slavery and asking for Equity. To understand the discussion, these words must be defined. We take the definitions from dictionary.com. Parity is defined as the state or condition of being equal, especially as regards status or pay. Equity is defined as the quality of being fair and impartial. Slavery is defined as a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.
The story of the wage system in the Nigerian health sector is a very long and complex one. To avoid boredom, I will concentrate on the evolution of the present salary structures in the sector namely CONMESS and CONHESS. In 2009, the federal government approved CONMESS for medical and dental practitioners alias medical doctors and CONHESS for other professionals and workers in the sector. These salary structures are gauged against the popular grade levels in the civil service. The basic tenets for these salary structures are that, every worker on the same grade level should earn the same basic salary and common allowances now called consolidated salary. Peculiar allowances should be paid to different professional groups as approved. Different professions have different entry level according to their years of training and the work they do. Any future adjustment must be done on both tables. These they say is to maintain an equitable pay relativity (this is a topic for another day). The NMA and JOHESU where actually unhappy with the new salary structures, because of the pay gap. NMA claimed it was too narrow, and JOHESU claimed it was too wide, they accepted the salary structures and forged ahead. Surprisingly, in 2014, against the tenets of the 2009 agreement, the federal government approved an upward adjustment of CONMESS to the satisfaction of NMA without an equivalent upward adjustment CONHESS.
The real bone of contention here is the issue of pay gap between the medical doctors and other health professionals. To appreciate the cries of JOHESU, an analysis of the wage system in the Nigerian health sector is necessary. For the analysis, a nurse will be used to represent an average health professional. If a post NYSC medical doctor without any postgraduate certification or experience and a double qualified nurse (a registered nurse who has a post graduate training as a midwife) are employed the same day into the federal civil service, the doctor will get employed into the service on CONMESS 3 which is Grade level 13, while the nurse gets employed in the service on CONHESS 7, which is Grade level 8. At the end of the month, the salary of the nurse will be less than 30% that of the doctor. The nurse will need to work for about 15 years to get to grade level 13 which is the entry level for a post NYSC medical doctor. After these 15 years, the nurse’s salary is still less than the salary of a newly employed doctor. To earn the same as a newly employed medical doctor, the nurse will have to work for about 21 years, assuming the nurse passes all the promotion interviews!
During the course of their services to Nigeria, both of them may be given in service specialist training. On successful completion of such trainings, the medical doctor will be promoted to grade level 15 and called a consultant. With this new position comes a new allowance called specialist allowance, while the nurse will be posted to the area of need of the newly acquired skill without any promotion or specialist allowance. The nurse will keep on working waiting for her next promotion interview before he/she can enjoy any promotion if he/she passes the interview.
One of the reasons JOHESU is on strike is to narrow this pay gap and maintain the 2009 relativity, all they are asking for is for people on the grade level to earn the same consolidated pay (basic salary plus general allowances) whether you are a doctor or a nurse. Earning the same consolidated pay is not the same thing as earning the same salary if you are on the same grade level, each professional or group of professionals earn allowances peculiar to them. Remember it takes a nurse about 15 years to be on the same level with a newly employed doctor. JOHESU is simply saying let an average health professional after spending 15 years in the service earn the same consolidated pay with a newly employed doctor. This does not make the health professional earn the same with the newly employed doctor, as the doctor’s other allowances especially call duty allowance is far more than that of the health professional (for those who earn it).Thus, even after spending 15 years to get to the same level as a newly employed doctor, the average health professional will not even earn as much as a newly employed doctor when the demands of JOHESU are met.
It is so surprising that the NMA and both ministers of health and labour are calling this demand of JOHESU an attempt to achieve pay parity with the doctors. It is evident that they either don’t understand the meaning of pay parity or they don’t understand the relationship between the two salary structures in our health sector. I will not want to believe that they are mischievous, as only mischievous people will go on national television and dish out what they know are lies to win sympathy from the public.
Now the onus is on the public to judge if JOHESU’s description of their ordeal in the hands of our health managers as slavery, and their demands for an equitable, fair and just wage system in the health sector is tantamount to requesting for pay parity with doctors!
[quote author=Timolanki post=67620450]Parity, Equity Or Slavery: The Dilemma of the Nigerian Health Sector Wage System.

By Aniey Obot.

The Nigerian health sector has been tumultuous for some times now. It is either members of the Nigerian medical association (NMA) are downing tools using its affiliate, the national association of resident doctors (NARD) as her war horse or the members of the joint health sector unions (JOHESU) are on strike paralyzing health services in the country. Presently, health services in the country have been paralyzed for over three weeks now due to the ongoing strike by members of JOHESU, comprising all health workers aside medical practitioners.
One of the reasons JOHESU, which is a marriage of necessity and convenience of all the registered trade unions in the Nigerian health sector, is on strike, is the wage system in the sector. They are pushing for an equitable and fair wage system, describing the present wage system as a sort of slavery. The NMA which is the umbrella body for all medical and dental practitioners in the country, is seriously pressurizing the government not to grant JOHESU’s demand because according to her, JOHESU is asking for pay parity with doctors. According to NMA, this is against international best practices. This was echoed by the ministers for health and labour who incidentally are members of the NMA.
Parity, Equity and Slavery! These words have been on the front burner of discussions within the sector. NMA is rejecting parity, JOHESU is denouncing slavery and asking for Equity. To understand the discussion, these words must be defined. We take the definitions from dictionary.com. Parity is defined as the state or condition of being equal, especially as regards status or pay. Equity is defined as the quality of being fair and impartial. Slavery is defined as a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.
The story of the wage system in the Nigerian health sector is a very long and complex one. To avoid boredom, I will concentrate on the evolution of the present salary structures in the sector namely CONMESS and CONHESS. In 2009, the federal government approved CONMESS for medical and dental practitioners alias medical doctors and CONHESS for other professionals and workers in the sector. These salary structures are gauged against the popular grade levels in the civil service. The basic tenets for these salary structures are that, every worker on the same grade level should earn the same basic salary and common allowances now called consolidated salary. Peculiar allowances should be paid to different professional groups as approved. Different professions have different entry level according to their years of training and the work they do. Any future adjustment must be done on both tables. These they say is to maintain an equitable pay relativity (this is a topic for another day). The NMA and JOHESU where actually unhappy with the new salary structures, because of the pay gap. NMA claimed it was too narrow, and JOHESU claimed it was too wide, they accepted the salary structures and forged ahead. Surprisingly, in 2014, against the tenets of the 2009 agreement, the federal government approved an upward adjustment of CONMESS to the satisfaction of NMA without an equivalent upward adjustment CONHESS.
The real bone of contention here is the issue of pay gap between the medical doctors and other health professionals. To appreciate the cries of JOHESU, an analysis of the wage system in the Nigerian health sector is necessary. For the analysis, a nurse will be used to represent an average health professional. If a post NYSC medical doctor without any postgraduate certification or experience and a double qualified nurse (a registered nurse who has a post graduate training as a midwife) are employed the same day into the federal civil service, the doctor will get employed into the service on CONMESS 3 which is Grade level 13, while the nurse gets employed in the service on CONHESS 7, which is Grade level 8. At the end of the month, the salary of the nurse will be less than 30% that of the doctor. The nurse will need to work for about 15 years to get to grade level 13 which is the entry level for a post NYSC medical doctor. After these 15 years, the nurse’s salary is still less than the salary of a newly employed doctor. To earn the same as a newly employed medical doctor, the nurse will have to work for about 21 years, assuming the nurse passes all the promotion interviews!
During the course of their services to Nigeria, both of them may be given in service specialist training. On successful completion of such trainings, the medical doctor will be promoted to grade level 15 and called a consultant. With this new position comes a new allowance called specialist allowance, while the nurse will be posted to the area of need of the newly acquired skill without any promotion or specialist allowance. The nurse will keep on working waiting for her next promotion interview before he/she can enjoy any promotion if he/she passes the interview.
One of the reasons JOHESU is on strike is to narrow this pay gap and maintain the 2009 relativity, all they are asking for is for people on the grade level to earn the same consolidated pay (basic salary plus general allowances) whether you are a doctor or a nurse. Earning the same consolidated pay is not the same thing as earning the same salary if you are on the same grade level, each professional or group of professionals earn allowances peculiar to them. Remember it takes a nurse about 15 years to be on the same level with a newly employed doctor. JOHESU is simply saying let an average health professional after spending 15 years in the service earn the same consolidated pay with a newly employed doctor. This does not make the health professional earn the same with the newly employed doctor, as the doctor’s other allowances especially call duty allowance is far more than that of the health professional (for those who earn it).Thus, even after spending 15 years to get to the same level as a newly employed doctor, the average health professional will not even earn as much as a newly employed doctor when the demands of JOHESU are met.
It is so surprising that the NMA and both ministers of health and labour are calling this demand of JOHESU an attempt to achieve pay parity with the doctors. It is evident that they either don’t understand the meaning of pay parity or they don’t understand the relationship between the two salary structures in our health sector. I will not want to believe that they are mischievous, as only mischievous people will go on national television and dish out what they know are lies to win sympathy from the public.
Now the onus is on the public to judge if JOHESU’s description of their ordeal in the hands of our health managers as slavery, and their demands for an equitable, fair and just wage system in the health sector is tantamount to requesting for pay parity with doctors![/quote

Baseless
Health / Re: Quacks In Our "Teaching" Hospitals: Public Be On The Watchout by sartorius(m): 8:06am On May 16, 2018
Stoicbaba:


Cancer...well, so many factors would have led to this in a long run...

I hope the right thing is often said and seen to be done...as radiation effects are vast and should be avoided as much as possible...
Stop meddling false information. Radiologist have the requisite knowledge to operate an x-ray machine however this appears to be an emergency. Quackery is when radiographers and lab scientist interpret results make diagnosis and in some cases even prescribe or pharmacist employing auxillary nurses to give injections in their shops.We need proper regulation in this country

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Health / Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by sartorius(m): 6:02am On May 16, 2018
Johesu Lagos State workers gave resumed back.
Health / Re: Quacks In Our "Teaching" Hospitals: Public Be On The Watchout by sartorius(m): 5:40am On May 16, 2018
My Friend, Radiologist s are not quacks. If you trained in a good facility you probably received lectures from some.

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Health / Re: Colon Cancer Is Dangerous, Know Causes And Prevention by sartorius(m): 4:52am On May 15, 2018
This is one of the most challenging malignancies with poor prognosis because most patient end up having spread to liver and or hepatorenal failure inspire of chemotherapy. It is well
Health / Re: Colon Cancer Is Dangerous, Know Causes And Prevention by sartorius(m): 4:49am On May 15, 2018
Diet is key. Early screening modalities abound
Health / Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by sartorius(m): 3:57pm On May 14, 2018
Verdict

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Health / Re: What Exactly Are Doctors Still Doing In Nigeria? by sartorius(m): 11:35pm On May 13, 2018
Johesu will become more divided after this strike.
Health / Re: Current Johesu Strike In Nigeria by sartorius(m): 11:28pm On May 13, 2018
I don't blame johesu, poverty is biting.

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Health / Re: Current Johesu Strike In Nigeria by sartorius(m): 11:27pm On May 13, 2018
Jman06:
The ministers of health and labour need to be sacked as soon as possible. They cannot be judges in their own case.

Enough of the modern day enslavement!!!

All lovers of equity and fairness in Nigeria should join hands with JOHESU to prevail on the federal government to grant JOHESU's demands.

Time to act is now!!!
Joker
Health / Re: Why Bother About Nigerian Doctors Leaving Nigeria? by sartorius(m): 9:03pm On May 13, 2018
Doctors are econommic migrants

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Health / Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by sartorius(m): 5:21pm On May 12, 2018
Existing relativity of 4:2:1.72 should stand and Government should also adjust that of the medics to avoid future strike action. Poorly renumerated workers with unnecessary bickering.

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Health / Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by sartorius(m): 5:13pm On May 12, 2018
I hope it's not students debating forum.
Health / Re: Keloid Treatment by sartorius(m): 5:28am On May 02, 2018
It can be removed, thereafter intralesional injection with some medications. Text zero8078552226.
Health / Re: BREAKING: FG Bans Production Of Codeine Based Syrups In Nigeria by sartorius(m): 3:58pm On May 01, 2018
I support it's only gotten through Drs presription
Career / Re: Doctors, Health Workers Can’t Receive Equal Pay – FG by sartorius(m): 7:16am On May 01, 2018
erikoko:
Its not unreasonable. N dey r not asking to b on d same scale. But to also increase d scale as dey did for d doctors in Nov 2017. D minister of health s a doctor na. So whom will he support
. The adjustment of 2017 was to correct the relativity ratio, while I support an increment in the salary of johesu members, I also want it to be effected in salary of doctors. Once government accedes to demands of johesu, it should also increase Drs salary. Period!!

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Health / Re: Keloid Treatment by sartorius(m): 11:38am On Apr 28, 2018
Yes, it can be treated

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