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henry101:
Can you pls explain the bolded part, I want to know more about it.
Thanks.

Lol, relax, everyone did the selling including Yoruba (die-hard sellers for that matter)

What I am trying to disprove is that treachery/cowards or whatever is specific to one ethnicity.

The brazillian Blacks, many of whom I believe are of Yoruba descent, complain about marginalization by white Brazillians too.

Hmm not true but i wuld ignore this anyways.

BACK TO TOPIC

I think this shows that Africans are willing to sell each other at the slightest opportunity to the best buyer. If the igbo could sell themselves so well to white people, man, they could do so in modern day Nigeria. See Ojo Maduekwe- Yar'adua's boy boy. Anyways that is another topic

Mekusxyz:
Katsumoto,

You could not even say thank you SIR for proving to you that a few YORUBAS have been in govtal positions in Igbo land? Are you that ungrateful?

Proves that the igbos recognize the genius of the yoruba.

DNA does not, or hardly ever, lies. Forest Whitaker and Danny Glover (2 top Hollywood stars) were in Imo state recently to celebrate their Igbo-ness (DNA-confirmed) where they bagged chieftaincy titles. Are you not aware of that?

The genetic markers used for determining their ethnic group is based on population genetics. DNA doesn't lie, but the methodology could be misleading. However, I am not disputing anything anyways. By the way you guys love giving out chieftaincy titles. Man I can't wait to get my own.

EZE SEFAGO

@Akigbemarun.African-americans borrowed more of igbo way of life.[b]the swagga,the belief in numerous decentralised gangs.belief in equality of everyman [/b]etc.If you have seen the movie ''coming to america'' you would understand that similarity.no one can say for sure which ethnic group formed more of the slaves but i think yoruba influence is more in southern america while igbo influence is more in north america.

LOL, You watch too much movies. None of these are part of AA culture. AA culture is a confluence of African cultures, there is nothing distinctly igbo about it.

Chill out ok and celebrate Nigeria's qualification to the semi- Finals.
Peace Out

We won, ope oo

kai, but which kain rubbish is that, winning on penalties to zambia?

Akigbemaru,

I hate to do this because it is way back in time and contributes nothing to me and my mission on NL

What is your mission on NL? Proving that Yoruba Yoruba people are cowards? , you know how arrogant the Yoruba are, most of us dont care.

To cut my story short, this professor along with Morgan Freeman and Chris Turker, did DNA research and found out that most Black Americans are Yoruba decent.

Na lie.

Katsumoto, mekusxyz is correct, a large number of african americans are of igbo descent. It makes a lot of sense though. The Wikipedia article is slightly solid.

Ok, back to topic.

By the way, I agree with everything Chinua Achebe said in a way. I also like him gentlemanly attitude of not pointing fingers. I wish some people could just take a leaf from his book.

In addition, there is no dispute about Archibald Monteath's ethnic background. As regards Olaudah Equiano's background, the dispute concerning his origin is induced. He was a strong supporter of the abolitionist movement and many slave traders started disputing his works, person, origin and background so as to discredit him. Olaudah Equiano (aka Gustavus Vassa) was Igbo.

Why do you like to lie?

Historians, not slave traders (who could likely not read ) dispute his origins, while praising him for fabricating his origins because it helped the causes of the abolitionist. During Olaudah's time, African slaves where seen as subhuman. Olaudah might have had to fabricate his history to portray himself in the right light as well as gain sympathizers for the abolition cause.

Its just like Chinua Achebe (Back to topic in a way) and Chiamanda Adichie, who complain about Eurocentrism while in a way trying to appeal to white people that Africans are human. As much as I respect Chiamanda adichie and Achebe, I don't believe literature should be written in such a fashion anyways.

@Richyblack,

It is inconclusive whether Olaudah Equiano is of igbo origin. It is quite likely that he is Igbo. But is is also equally probable, that he could have met an igbo slave, and taken the story of that igbo slave and make it his own story. This is quite common in slave narratives and a well accepted theory by historians. Moreover, Olaudah Equiano's friend and equally famous co-abolitionist- Ottobah Cugoano is not of disputed origin so please dont blame slave traders for anything.

The link I gave you indicates several thousands of Yoruba slaves returning to Lagos.

This is enough to figure out why the Yoruba religion is popular across the Caribbeans and Americas. The Yoruba were lucky to be able to preserve their culture. I don't believe in ethnic superiority like most igbos here do, and IMO, nothing intrinsically special about the Yorubas  except luck helped in the proliferation of the orisha practise. Moreover, it could be that a lot of the  Yoruba slaves were priests, which was less so for other African ethnic groups.

I agree with Katsumoto, a lot of Africans strove to purchase their freedom, not just the igbos. To suggest so, would be an insult to the sorrows, struggles and tears of these people. Nothing in history shows the igbo as exceptional  . Infact Haiti, the only slave colony to have a successful slave revolt which led to a nation had more Yoruba slaves.

Moreover we should be ashamed at ourselves for selling our brothers and people to europeans, and stop arguing about who is more famous.



If some greedy and spineless igbo people did not sell their brother Olaudah Equiano (supposedly), then this guy would have ended up living an ordinary happy life as a palm wine tapper in alaigbo

To summarize: IGBO PEOPLE ARE NOT SPECIAL

RichyBlacK:
You're a fool, you're warning your elder? Foolish small boy! bleed off!

Man u are a christian- u go dey vex plenty in church.

Thank God, I am agnostic

As regards Olaudah Equiano, true there is some confusion about his origin, however, the vast majority of references to him classify him as Igbo. The confusion is due to where he was supposed to have been born. It seems he was born in then Benin Empire. However, one's place of birth does not necessarily determine one's ethnic background. Igbos were living and trading in Dahomey and Benin as far back as the mid 1700s and so it is not surprising for an Igbo to have been born in 1745 Benin Empire.

So after searching online u finally figured that out , anyways I dont need google for that. I had read olaudah's work a long tym ago.

By the way you still missed the real problem about his origin. Please sit down and google, since that is what you guys are good at. You really dont know much about the transatlantic slave trade and you want to school me .

Okay, let me school you on how it is done. When it is probable, then it is inconclusive (as you said), and it could be true or false. So, when one asserts a position you're deem untrue, you're supposed to look for evidence in support of your position, not just scream "rubbish".

No let me do the schooling. There are times when it is impossible to find evidence on something. It is impossible to verify Equiano's origins, historians cannot find evidence (Getting evidence about the origins of a slave is very tricky) so why should common me try? .

By the way I dont consider a published book/article or scholarly work evidence. I check how they obtained their evidence, what primary documents they used, and how much is speculation. I told your omoibo brother mekusxyz this a long tym ago, man are y'all that intellectually challenged?



What did I say about NL, I-too-know will kill y'all.

Meaning in my context it can never be proven and is inconclusive.

i dont really care what the word really means to you or oxford dictionary

Compelling work traces the formidable journey of an Igbo prince from captivity to freedom

its really interesting that Africans rarely do research in the transatlantic slave trade because they could easily have disproved the lies of Olaudah Equiano.

RichyBlack do u know how many slave accounts were written? Moreover are you aware that in nearly every single slave account, the writer called himself a prince. I dont know how many princes were in africa but it seems a lot of them wrote slave accounts

Crap anyways, Olaudah equiano was probably not igbo

Go and read and stop posting second hand info

henry101:
^^^
He was trying to prove that the slave trade didnt help, but made it difficult to know the connections between the Egbas and the Igbos.

Crap, please who wrote the rubbish you posted above?

RichyBlacK:
The tired rants of an empty barrel!

Yeah as I expected, you really dont know anything about slave history , and you want me to explain the intricacies to you?

If you don't know that most accounts or biographies of historical characters are based on significantly secondary sources. Even Olaudah equiano is still doubted by a lot of historians to be igbo.

RichyBlacK:
Why not attempt to refute the fact in that book instead of screaming like puppy. Do you have any evidence to refute what was laid out in that book? Note that I did not write the book and do not personally know the author. Stop yapping nonsense.

U call that a fact Owerri logic

Fact about what? The igbo could not practise their religions or deities because the  slave masters did not let them. Go back, sit down, grab a book and learn about atlantic history.

Moreover the book is a reconstruction of history. I do hope you know a bit about historical analysis to know what that means right?

Everything in that book is a supposition

f I were Yar adua, I would arrest this thief called Obasanjo, put him in jail and throw away the keys! That would be my first act as a "revived" president. Grin Then I would move in on his loot.

The dog never attacks its master. By the way that is a patented Obasanjo technique- do u think Obj did not think about such a possibility

Man u underestimate the political brilliance of the Yoruba even for a farmer

RichyBlacK:
Igbo slaves in the Americas were not interested in worshiping deities, why should they? Did those deities prevent them from being sold as slaves?

Of infinitely more interest to the Igbo slave in the Americas was his freedom. The longing to assert him/herself and be all he/she can be.

One example? Archibald Monteath: Igbo, Jamaican, Moravian, an important read written by Maureen Warner-Lewis. An excerpt courtesy of amazon.com:

This reconstruction of one of the rare Caribbean slave narratives is an amplification, interrogation, and modification of its original texts by cross-reference with official documents, contemporary diaryentries and reports, present-day oral sources, and secondary analyses of plantation society. Accessing a variety of primary records, Maureen Warner-Lewis meticulously reconstructs a biography of enslaved Archibald Monteath, an Igbo, who was brought to Jamaica around 1802, became active in the Moravian Church and later purchased his freedom. Through Monteath's biography she explores the sociology of slavery from 1750 to the 1860s. Fieldwork conducted in Africa brings an important dimension to the work, and scholars of Caribbean history, church history, diasporic studies, Atlantic studies and Jamaica will find it of significant interest.

Another bull.Poo

I took Atlantic history, I know a lot about the slave trade, u guys should stop making up stories and at least focus on the topic at hand

RichyBlacK:
akigbemaru's intellect is at fourth-grade. Just watch how he'll be disarmed.

LOL, and what's the intellect of his opponents? Anyways let me watch- knowing NL, everyone would just be making up stories to suit there own silly ends then claim intellect at the same time

akigbemaru abeg I like the points u are making. Keep going and teach these omoibo a lesson

There were more Yoruba slaves than most of sub Sahara tribes towards Trans Atlantic route, so they left with their religions. Jazz music has the same history. Ibo slaves were not easily cowed to accepting fate so they were not "popular" They were so stubborn that they either got killed in the slave castles or thrown overboard, so very few made it to the destination.

Bull.Poo and not true

Please do not rewrite history