₦airaland Forum

KLEINBASS:
Is this Facebook propaganda supposed to stop South Africans from addressing the issue of mass illegal foreigners in their country?

Its entertainment for us now go and fill those farm jobs instead of hanging around here.

JASONjnr:
Even if the court grants her the permission to stay, while the people rejects her, her life will never be the same....

SA are hate-filled people
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Make she win first then she can go leave somewhere else for the time being and come back when dust has settled.

She is far more safer in capetown than anywhere else in South Africa.

Queengee:
Nobody said she committed a crime herself. The issue is that the South African government claims her citizenship and documents came through her mother's alleged fraud. If that's true, then they're arguing she was never legally entitled to those documents in the first place. That's exactly what the court is trying to determine.

You are correct, however the lawyers would probably try to argue the case that she was unaware of this crime and her ability to legalize herself should not be determined by that fact.

Home affairs knows this which is why they are trying to now declare her as an undesirable being that she left the country pending her request to come and answer the case set by home affairs, left the country and then entered illegally.

They are seeking to deport and bar her for a substantial amount of time.

Ewedegubbler:
she should stay, win the case and then relocate. for her credibility sake and so as not have a criminal record on her name..

i am a south african citizen but the secret bad belle too much..

She has a slight chance. Home affairs is trying to use the fact that she obtained Nigerian citizenship and therefore is not entitled to be considered a South African by any means. They are actually wrong but then again depends on if her lawyers are able to exploit loop holes in the law.

We shall see.

Euromillion200:
South Africa is such a fuckedup kantry I swear, I'm a southgerian too and I totally condemned what they're putting this girl through..our constitution states that anyone born in South Africa is a South African,not until 2005 they brought in some clause against that ,however, it doesn't affect this girl by any means.. she's a South African and this madness needs to stop.

They're actually putting this girl life in a serious danger tbh. 😳

Being born in South Africa never transfered automatic citizenship to any South African and as a self declared southgerian you should know this.

There are "conditions" attached to your birth South Africa that confer citizenship on you. There have been amendments in the immigration act latest being 2013 that removed the ability for children of legal permanent residents born in South Africa to acquire citizenship automatically.

Word of advice, since you are inbetween two worlds being that you are part South African, part Nigerian I suggest yhou remove yourself from taking any sides.

IronGalaxy:
ey whatever man

Good night Mfethu.

No nightmares about the "Nigerian" boogeyman coming to get ya eh!

IronGalaxy:
You insert yourself in my mentions time and time again with your whining.. its boring.. take the hint already Seppuku and focus on Nigerian issues for once..

Come now Iron galaxy, you can't keep barking at your ex-girlfriend to accept your rejection of not wanting to be with her anymore and then at the same time retaining her and her girlfriends phone numbers calling to check up how she is doing from time to time.

You must learn to let go too.

JaceBlaze:
We have done a lot for Africa so I would say your assumptions are wrong.

and I don't think anyone is asking you to continue to carry them on your backs or leave the door wide open for everyone to come in. Your methods supported by political parties and to an extent you government is what leaves much to be desired.

JaceBlaze:
I think at this point everyone is allowed to look at this migration issue from their own angle and conclude with their own "facts" if they so please.This sh*t has gone in circles long enough.what are we even arguing about at this point?

We are arguing that there is precedence for these violent acts that rears its ugly heads up every few years to conclude that this iteration is not solely about "illegal immigration", but something much more deep rooted in the psyche of your people.

JaceBlaze:
A matter of time before Ghana takes us to ICC? I don't remember when you told me but I will admit you hit the bull's eye right there.I guess it's true what they say about broken clock being right twi........

I used the analogy once upon a time that if a Nigerian, a Ghanaian and a South African were left stranded in the desert and the loud mouthed Nigerian insisted he is going North as his next path while the South African pointed South, the Ghanaian left with the choice of whom to follow, would go with the Nigerian.

Decipher that any which way you like.

delpee:
The younger generation are not interested in this. They just don't want immigrants especially the illegal ones and the criminals. Let's move on. God will reward us for all we've done. As we gave freely and shared love with them, God will bless and honour us in His own way.

Been waiting for government to recall their consul and Ambassador make we close chapter.

IronGalaxy:
Yeah, you do that to Christians hypocrite..

No evil Boko haramist do that.

IronGalaxy:
always crying.. its borderline pathetic..

Speak to the subject matter being presented and not the messenger.

motymop:
it is their own country, they fought for their own freedom not africn freedom..lets respect their own struggle

Who is dragging with them?

IronGalaxy:
Idgaf about your pie in the sky traveling.. a person with insight and traveling experience doesn't reason like you..

Again, you are free to express your likes or dislikes. We don't harass, beat, kill or chase non Nigerians away from here.

Dancebreaker:
9ja should develop itself.

Like a typical 9ja girlfriend, if you become broke, she does not care about all the good things you did for her last week.

If we were like Malaysia or Dubai and 1m Xenophobians visit 9ja yearly, and 500k of them reside and work in 9ja, they would respect us.

The world is a market place. People only care about what they can get off you here and now. Your past acts of kindness don't count.

Hehehehe!

I agree 100%

IronGalaxy:
of course, what else? this is the only thing that exist in your "well traveled" brain..

No, its specific to my experiences in South Africa.

Ask me about my experiences living elsewhere if you are interested.

IronGalaxy:
Lol.. the lack of self awareness is mind-boggling .. anything else man?

One more thing.

SAYNOTOXENOPHOBIA!

IronGalaxy:
Trust me, you and your warped, narrow and one-sided opinions are the least of my worries

says the man who is on nairaland fighting for invisible Nigerians on the internet.

nairalanda1:
Yeah, but harsh as it sounds, she is probably competing with South African ladies who are doing the same,bringing down their prices and their incomes.. and she is probably in the country illegally..

Competing in the hair salon industry? no my man if you know South Africa you will know that is not the case. Again many of these individuals have been issued some kind of legal document to stay within the country. Whether their cases are genuine,pending or not they remain in some sort of legal status.

nairalanda1:
Once recall a black American talking about an uncle of his who worked as a roofer, and who supported trump's immigration crackdown, because illegal immigrant roofers were doing the same job as he did for a lower price.

America is very different. Its economy is able to absorb a large number of immigrants coming to work. That uncle is just mad he got chanced.

motymop:
the money you all claimed you send, didnt get to any poor people in SA, it all went to the ANC elites

you know why they dont listen to all these rants of sending feeding money and funding to them is because, they themselves sacrifice their own lives to achieve what they have today

soweto riots and all lot of bombing and protest were organised by the natives who put down their lives and all these was achieved by any nationals living in nigeria or ghana

My brother which African has not died in one way or another fighting their governments. Do they have a monopoly of death over the rest of us?

nairalanda1:
Interesting story, thanks for sharing.

As for the xenophobia...the problem is, the majority of people going to south africa are unskilled workers..people who are going there not to take up skilled jobs that a south african cannot fill, but unskilled workers, and they are going there to compete with the large mass of unskilled south africans for jobs.

When that happens, salaries and wages for jobs for unskilled workers go down, because an illegal immigrant would do the job for less compared to a south African. THat makes conditions for workers in south africa bad.

Hence the violence.

We get that but when a mozambican woman with an asylum case pending manages to open up a salon and is making an honest living is harassed by a mob that tell her to close down her shop because they don't like that she is there is borderline hatred.

They can't spin it any other way.

nairalanda1:
It doesn't mean, despite my story above , that Nigerians and other Africans should violate South Africa's immigration laws and move in without being approved or without having the right visas, just to 'hustle'.

Immigration always affects the country that recieves and the country supplying in negative ways. And while xenophobia is wrong, if African countries had been more serious about development, there may have been reduced immigration.

My brada, many of these Africans have legal papers to remain in the country and are not violating immigration laws. Don't conflate illegal immigration with so called asylum seekers or temporary workers.

Case in point a good number of ZImbabweans have ZEP's that keep their status legal in the country yet they are continually harassed and asked to go home.

Who issued them those ZEP's in the first place.

nairalanda1:
Kind of true. A lot of SOuth Africans studied in Nigeria during the arphateid period, especially in the 1970's and 1980's. And many of them were sponsored by the Nigerian government

For a very long time, many black South Africans did not have access to decent post primary education because of the arphateid government's very limited spending on education (before we even talk about BANTU education and all that), so sometimes, the only way to get a good education was to go to other African countries.

And yes, again, it was the government that paid for it. Even at secondary and primary level self.

I remember a young South African girl that took common entrance with us back in my days. She was probably child of an exile and the memory sticks with me even till today so I know what the country did for them but please we should stop trying to appeal to them using this rhetoric.

The younger generation do not care and are detached from that past. It is time to use more conventional methods to retaliate against what we all are seeing coming from there.

IronGalaxy:
Lol.. You're the one who claims, has a well rounded understanding of the world because of travelling and im tellimg you ,you simply dont have that.. it doesnt take a traveller to see through the BS.. you're just mouth, no bite, a lot of self-aggrandizing, no substance

"We are civil on this forum so you are allowed your opinion. Don't worry I won't harass, beat, kill, or call you names just because", says the well-rounded Nigerian traveler.

IronGalaxy:
Im not talking about other Nigerians here, im talking about you.. nothing screams "well traveled".. you are as closed minded as an oyster

How would you know what well travelled looks or sounds like. Your experiences are limited to your province.

"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore." – Andre Gide

"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." – Saint Augustine

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." – Mark Twain

"To travel is to evolve." – Pierre Bernardo

IronGalaxy:
.. Lol.. these are just claims.. a well traveled" person cant be as closed minded as you.

Ahh Mfethu I know the only point of reference you have for Nigerians are the ones that came to your country to "sell drags" and "steal your women"

We are not a monolith.

IronGalaxy:
Jesus not this nonsense again.. get a life man

the truth invokes such responses. I am okay with that.

IronGalaxy:
what do you know apart from being a helpless victim?

I travel, immerse myself in different cultures, learn the ways of different people and come back richer, well rounded global citizen.

I can never be a victim of a limited and isolated mind.

IronGalaxy:
A foreigner dare not die in SA or else its "xenophobia" im so sick of this nonsense

Stop it man. We know about the violent crimes you commit there long before xenophobia reared its ugly head but we also know there is a campaign to try to hide facts about xenophobic linked killings, harassments and beatings just like the ones that happened in Mossel bay or the numerous ones that happened in the past so spare us the dribble.

You were the ones that started this noise because you are the "special Africans". You have to deal with it now that it has exploded on social media.

Sorry eh!

Bahamas95:
Not all of them are xenophobic.


You describe a group of people in a certain way when those who behave that way outnumber those who don't.

Stereotypes are often true but are mostly a generalization.

JaceBlaze:
Personally I never cared for Ghana

Is it safe to say you don't really care about anything outside of yourselves?

JaceBlaze:
but I did hear from South Africans who were born in the 70's/80's that Ghanaians were among the earliest migrants to live side by side with native South Africans without any friction.
Yes you are right,for a while South Africa had a soft spot for Ghana and it's people but all it took was for us to tell people that they can't live in the country illegally to be everybody's nemesis.Is it safe to say that relationship was always parasitic but we just didn't know it??🤔🤔 Hmmm

The contention from other Africans has never been about "illegal immigrants" and if they should be deported or not. I think every right thinking African understands that dilemma, but unfortunately that's not the message we are getting from South Africa so either you are bad communicators and cannot frame your grievances in an articulate enough manner or this is all a disguise for a deeper rooted "feeling" you have for the "other" and Africans in general. You can't go to six different parties and everyone keeps telling you the same thing about how you are dressed and then you come out and say they are all wrong.

Your antecedence regarding how you have handled this matter argues for xenophobia.

JaceBlaze:
That will depend on what Kenya and Burundi's next move is.For now it's still all good as far as I'm concerned

I remember telling you it is only a matter of time.

JaceBlaze:
And as for shame...we are currently grooving in our "shebeens" to this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBS6MhWTi0Y?si=m92sJaP5WyxTYe4Zt

As the popular South African saying goes "Hey, WE don't care". You can groove till you babalas.

IronGalaxy:
I said they love attention like their neighbors, never said anything about good behavior.... pipe down please

If you know them well you will know that they really don't crave attention at all but then again what do you know about anything outside of your isolated mindsets.