₦airaland Forum

IronGalaxy:
Lol.. hahaha.. and the point is? Im responding to what you say to me aren't I?

The point is I am hoping others read all my responses not just you.

IronGalaxy:
Of course everything that makes you uncomfortable usually is.."propaganda"

At one point on this very same thread, you named Indians, pakis, as the chief perpetrators of this trend and claimed Nigers "joined later" to the trend, now youre telling me that is propaganda

The mention of South Asians was to counter this so-called "upward trend" in passport abuse. The UK specifically had issues with this 10 + years ago with the "authenticity" and "security" of South African passport holders. The SA government upgraded the passports a few months later to counter, making it difficult to issue fake passports to non citizens.

The question I am asking is what now makes it a "rising trend" from that point. Where is the evidence? Its anecdotal at best.

IronGalaxy:
You misuse the word "xenophobia" to the point that your arguments feels empty, vapid and stale.

For you maybe but then again I don't speak only directly to "you"

IronGalaxy:
No no no.. useless argument. The further people use our passport anyhow, it will become like your passport. It is not there yet

Calling everything you dont like hearing "propaganda" won't work with me

At what rate is trend rising?
Who are the nationals that are abusing it, Africans, Europeans, Indians, Mexicans?
What is the tragetory?
When was it lower?

Its propaganda Mfethu.

IronGalaxy:
Whether I've crossed the border or not doesnt at all nullify the fact that South Africa has an immigration problem. These are just hard cold facts..

It doesn't but the variables matter, don't you think?

IronGalaxy:
Also, I'm not oblivious to the fact, that our government's ineptness is the reason for this..

The ikes of operation dudula are just vessels for the voiceless, they echoe the sentiments of the things we see daily..

They are xenophobic mongers who are filling up a vacuum left by the ineptness of your government pushing exaggerated agendas, so they usurp power to change "their" own outcomes. Same script, different set of players.

IronGalaxy:
Don't care when it was "more appealing" that's irrelevant to the point at hand, the issue here is that, the more our passport is dragged to the mud by every Tom, Dick and Harry, it will further degrade. It is still relatively a strong passport in the African context

The "appeal" is relevant because it quantifies the point you are making. Passport misuse may be problem no doubt but is definitely not a "rising trend".

Your assumptions is what we refer to as propaganda.

IronGalaxy:
Read for comprehension. I raised the fact, that people mis-using our passport was a rising trend, never said these people did that..

I would argue the opposite. The South African passport is less appealing internationally than it was 15 years ago.

IronGalaxy:
The issue here is the large influx of these undocumented immigrants coming who South Africa to do nothing but leech of our tax and burden our resources.. no matter how you may spin it.. this is not sustainable , we can't carry the whole continent

Obviously you have never crossed the many borders in South Africa before. You really are clueless. You actually think a majority of these people are jumping invisible fences coming into the country illegally.

Your government is letting them in.

Disincentivize them from coming through passing legislation and enforcement and then your illegal immigrant numbers will decrease over time but instead the likes of your rightwingers aka Randdigital, Operation Dudula, March and March etc sensationalize stories to whip up resentment so you can justify the xenophobia that burns in your hearts and win elections so they can get their own turn to loot.

How is that spin for you?

IronGalaxy:
He won't bring himself to say something is wrong.. to him everything in SA which has to do with foreigners is either "xenophobia" or " propaganda", he thinks within these two variables nothing else

There's always variables in every situation but I wonder why you and Randdigital are not highlighting GBV and informing about these nefarious acts so we can help.

RandDigital:
So you agree foreigners are troublemakers in SA. Then why do you call South Africans xenophobic as if you guys haven't played a role in why you have a bad reputation?

You are xenophobic because you concentrate on foreigners who are bad to advance your agenda.

The majority of foreign peoples are simply going about their daily lives trying to survive.

IronGalaxy:
Having legitimate foreigners doesnt nullify the fact that many use the South African passport for nefarious activities abroad..of which is WrOng! Call it out and stop playing the victim

What was the nefarious reason they used it for. The attainment of the legitimate South African passport and her asylum seeking are mutually exclusive events.

Aren't there Boers who are acclaiming asylum in the US claiming white genocide.

IronGalaxy:
Just raise these issues and they soon flood you with the word "xenophobia" back at you.. Our government must stop tiptoeing around these issues, they must stop trying to look good in the eyes of the world.. time for that is gone

Change the constitution and do like Mr. Trump.

Mashaba is your man. Vote ActionSA.

RandDigital:
It's been happening for years and Nigerians are the prime suspects - using SA to launch into the West. We lost our visa-free entry to the UK because of this.

Propaganda again. It was the Pakistanis and Indians.

The Nigerians caught on much later.

IronGalaxy:
You have people claiming they're south africans abroad when they aren't and its a rising trend. Our passport will soon degrade

It has been degraded since the late 2000's when a lot of Pakistanis and Indians used it to jump ship to the UK.

PS. You do know there are legitimate foreigners who become South African citizens through a naturalization process right and this lady obviously passed through that same process.

RandDigital:
I like the guy in the video who says auntie must name the gang that threatened her.

She made her life in SA more difficult coz the public don't like her now. It's gonna be a nightmare for the kids.

Best she returns to Africa of Africa, I'm certain she never misses the chance to use that term.

Auntie is trying to use lemons to make lemonade.

A majority of South Africans don't know her and don't really care. As soon as the next GBV case flashes on their screens they will forget her.

The only ones who will be using this news so they get elected next year are the usually suspects. Action SA, Patriotic Alliance and March on March.

Eniolohunda:
Na wa o, but why would they leave permanent residency to go apply for asylum? And I heard given asylum means you can no longer go back to your country since you denounce it

South African permanent residence for black Africans is worthless nowadays.

Don't believe the hype.

Emeskhalifa:
I don't know why this Zulu boy had to make mountain out of this.

The answer is simple, they travelled to Ireland from SA.
They have SA PR
They were deported to SA alongside some other SANs

He and his fellow Sad Africans want to push the agenda that ALL IMMIGRANTS in South Africa are bad people so they can justify punishing people who are non South Africans.

IronGalaxy:
Classic Seppuku

You calling me a Liar?

Wotowotoman:
Madam, what do you know about Nigeria to be making such statements? Why don’t you just stick to making comments about your country? 🤔

No blame them dem no dey travel commot from their village.

Glimpsetv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5pF0X2SD4w?si=E_kabYDgbyWw45yH

Look at the way that Lions claws were grabbing at her. Na wa o!

IronGalaxy:
Keep gaslighting South African people, dont care anymore

I am doing it for "my people" so they see there is no longer any benefit in trooping to your magnificent country.

You, me and Donald Trump are on the same mission.

IronGalaxy:
Trust me its pointless. Things we see with our own eyes is somehow "propaganda" ..ayt man.. Believe what you may..

What is it that you see with your own eyes that cannot be captured real time on camera in this beautiful age of the 21 century we live in.


You mean stuff like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89TKPDwsaI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xp2IbkcB9Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlzFdvS--E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcO-GSRNEU

IronGalaxy:
You know what, its pointless arguing with someone who's far removed from the reality of many South Africans..utterly pointless. You willingly still miss the point.

I am not arguing with you. I am debating you.

The presumption that I am talking out of my behind on illegal foreigner issues in South Africa is where you continue to error. In addition to having lived experience, I continue to have credible sources on ground and it's not any of "my country people" if that's what you think .

IronGalaxy:
Blah blah blah.. tell me if this is sustainable..
Who's resources are they coming to burden? Who's tax? Which skills are they coming with? What would happen if they aren't employable? You fail to think along these lines.. with you its just victimhood.. always

Its propaganda.

A majority of foreigners in South Africa are engaged in some form of legitimate work or employment. Some are the illegally, but they are "working!!!!!!" buying food, paying school fees, paying house rent, sending money back home and so on. If the argument here is they shouldn't use "public" services reserved for your tax payers. I am all for that but you should likewise exempt them from paying "any' sort of Value added tax in your country so they can use the extra money to pay for services, no? See article below for reference.

Your tax dollars that are supposed to run your hospitals are being syphoned by your political elite and their cronies sucking the system dry and leaving your poor to fight it out. The primary cause of this is not illegal foreigners accessing health care facilities, is it? See article below

A majority of your crime are committed by your citizens not foreign nationals. This is statistical fact. See article below for confirmation.

There are just under 6 million foreign nationals in your country concentrated in urban areas including the pale skinned ones that reside in cape town who are also using up your public resources. Juxtaposed to 50 million native black South Africans does not constitute any sort of imminent threat socially or economically. The problem is your post-apartheid so called "middle class" created and funded by your political elite who are concentrating the wealth of your country within this group supported by white monopoly capital leaving your majority poor concentrated at the necks of other poor "people" fighting for scraps at the table.

its propaganda my dear boy and it works well. There is nothing new you are seeing here.



https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00219096241249986

https://www.newsinsa.com/crime/tembisa-hospital-corruption-scandal-siu-report

https://allafrica.com/stories/202305040376.html

IronGalaxy:
Again he's talking about Chidimna.. smh..

Don't ignore Chidinma. She is a personification of the failure of your Home affairs to identify and deal with "alleged" illegals.

IronGalaxy:
Again he's talking about Chidimna.. smh..
When someone's illegal, call it out.. youre always some perpetual victim " oh they call anyone black illegal" blah blah..dude, we're sitting on an immigration time bomb in SA, this is real no matter how you wanna downplay it! you're always turning a blind eye on this choosing to play victim as always

Time bomb?? Don't make me laugh umtwana.
We've seen these sorts of historical anti-immigrant demonization antics play out and your "Western styled" country and right wing funded media, political parties are simply running with the same recycled propagandist playbook


" Make America great again"...." Put South Africa first"......
"The immigrants are eating our dogs and cats......the illegals are running amok, they are committing mass crimes.....",
"The undocumented are getting free welfare.....They are getting accessing to our health facilities..." .....
"The great replacement theory"......." Whites will be a minority in America"...... " Chukwudi will soon become president of South Africa"
etc etc etc

Propaganda for a purpose my dear boy. Power!

IronGalaxy:
Who isnt? We live in a capitalist society last time I checked Aunty

Don't owe squat. I live debt free, buy my stuff full cash price.

HacheNoire:
You know them very well!

Wella!

IronGalaxy:
Dont shift goals posts. Is he illegal or not?

How can i answer that question when your Home affairs can't explain that to you?

Chidinma is an example of how incompetent that department is?

IronGalaxy:
And yet..lol

Yes in food business and new tourist attractions.

Innovation. Zero.

IronGalaxy:
So we've moved from "laziness" to being trapped in a credit system? Lets throw anything on the wall to see what sticks..

I never said you guys were lazy?

You are captives in that credit system though.

HacheNoire:
What do you buy? You that happened to be owned by Caucasians.

I doubt if the blacks in South Africa contribute more than 1% to the economy.

You living and boasting on the leverage of Caucasians. Talk about your race, you own NOTHING in that country.

Na tenderpreneurs fool that country. No solid Fintech or innovator exists there.

HacheNoire:
80% lazy people. Black South Africans only consume. They contribute nothing to the economy outside crime.

Once payday enter, its straight to the shebeen by noon. On monday the next week zero money in the account.