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victorazyvictor:
Una get time, Una get money.... Most of you will be wasting money for useless program, promoting immorality, but when it comes to Tithes una go get sense.

Useless generation.

I even thought you were going to say something meaningful!! I don't like bbnaija but instead of me to pay tithe, I will use the money to vote for any of the bbnaija housemates!! Nonsense!!

RichBoy247:
SO, you can identify a fake Pastor.

Why not?? Even the Bible says by their fruits we shall know them!!

timibare:
Everything about Dinosaur na fiction....dat stuff never existed

Black man where are your proofs?? At least those who claimed it existed are showing us some proofs!!

Akainzo:
Thanks for at least moving away from the illegality you were touting previously, as we have now both agreed that only 1 proclamation is needed and they other lawmakers can be sworn in by the Clerk or Presiding officers later.

As to why they didn't attend plenary, the question will be: Were they invited to be sworn in? Did they attempt to be at the HoA complex and were prevented? Were they refused being sworn in?

The answers to the above will help the court to determine if their seats are vacant or not, but for now, until the courts determine otherwise, they are valid fully elected lawmakers of the Edo State House of Assembly.

Well, there are political explanation to the questions you raised in your second paragraph. These law makers bluntly refused to come for a subsequent swearing in because they had a hatchet plan that will no longer materialize because they had planned to elect a speaker within themselves so as to control the governor as wished by their sponsor(Oshiomole). And since the 10 previously sworn law makers had already elected a speaker, the subsequent members felt useless. Words are that they relocated to Abuja to stay with their sponsor who could no longer control the governor until now. I guess after about 3yrs, they just remember that they have seats that must be occupied in Edo state house of assembly.

Miracle1991:
people you failed to swear in you are telling them they are absent how. Before you attend any preceding in the house you must be inugurated. Do you know that as of that time they don't have a seat in that house? How can you go for sitting while you don't have a seat? Mr lawyer can you sit without having a seat in your office?
No wonder Obaseki is messing up because this are the types of lawyer that are advising him.
Mr lawyer let me educate you that any student that is not registered and given a class in the school, cannot be accuse of been absent from school.
Pls respect yourself and say the right thing even if it hurts you.

I can see you are one of the ignorant fools on this forum!! There's actually no point engaging you in meaningful discussions. Keep wallowing ignorance. It fits you so well!!

Akainzo:
I am happy we both agree the constitution has not been violated.

The proclamation is only issued once, as a proclamation is about the COMMENCEMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE TERM, it has nothing to do with inauguration.

Cast your mind back to 2015, PMB issued a proclamation and the PDP members of the Senate with Saraki were inaugurated, and Saraki was appointed Senate President while the majority APC members of the Senate were having a meeting with the President.

Did the President issue a second proclamation for the other members to then be sworn in? Of course he didn't as a proclamation is only issued once, and once the legislative activities have commenced, other members can be sworn in by the Clerk or the Presiding officers of the House.

So clearly, the other members do not need a proclamation to be issued by Obaseki before they can be sworn in, and that is also what the court said.

You must understand that the federal law makers didn't absent themselves from legislative business. And of course they didn't just wake up one morning to resume after a long time, to impeach the Senate President when their seat are in contention before the courts. The Edo state law makers didn't help themselves in this case. What even stopped them from doing all these shortly after their inauguration? These law makers have slept on their rights and the court may no longer take them serious, hence the court of first instance has already rule their seats to be vacant. Well, no matter how we try to analyse these issues here, it will certainly not be very clear who is on the wrong side of the law! But I think the court will not be pleased with the political dimension of this case.

Miracle1991:
I can see. So in your village after voting it is court that will declear them winners abi? Mr lawyer don't forget that the AGF grant them that request. Mr lawyer I know that you are better than the Attorney general of the federation. Congrat sir

Are you aware that they have been absent for more than 181 days and by so doing their seat is vacant??

Akainzo:
Since you are a lawyer, let me take you up on your stance.

By the constitution, they are elected members of the House of Assembly.
By the constitution, until a competent law court declares their seat vacant, they remain elected members of the House of Assembly.
By the constitution, if a High Court declares their seat vacant, and they appeal at the Appellate Court, they remain elected members of the HoA.

Now to the issue of inauguration.
By the constitution, a Governor issues a proclamation of the House TO THE CLERK OF THE House of Assembly.
By the constitution, it is the Clerk that inaugurates or swears in members of the House of Assembly AFTER the proclamation.
By the constitution, the Governor has done the proclamation, and 10 members were sworn in earlier.
By the constitution, the clerk/House has now sworn in the other 14 members of the House of Assembly.

Please, do let me know which part of what I enumerated above is the illegality that you are referring to.

So the governor issued a proclamation for the swearing in of the other 14 members?? He has already done that for the swearing in of 10 members in which other members were absent(for whatever reasons) and subsequently refused to partake in any legislative business of the state.
Now my question to you is that.....is the governor required by the constitution to issue proclamation twice?
And by what proclamation was the subsequent 14 members sworn in?

Miracle1991:
inec declear them members but they must be given seat by the Clark of the house before they can have a seat in that assembly complex.

So INEC is now the court of law? I know you are reasoning from a layman's point of view, but as a lawyer, I'm putting it to you according to law. The court is yet to decide on their membership of the house, and whatever they are doing now is shrouded in illegality....and they all know it....but they are fooling the masses to argue nonsense.

Miracle1991:
can you declear vacant seat for somebody that is not inugurated? As of that time they don't even have a seat, so which seat are you declaring vacant? Their seats can only be declared vacant after their inauguration.
Anyway, some of you are children and ignorant of the law.

so now that they have not been inaugurated, why are you calling them members??

alhassanyusuf29:
Kai babana!! Wlh nyamuri shege ne a harakar chuwachuwa.. ba'a yarda dàsu

mun San ba'a yarda da su ba. amman a rinka fadin gaskiya mana!!

alhassanyusuf29:
Shege nyamuri!! Igwe wants to learn Buhari's signature so he can forge for money

just look at this illiterate!! Does buhari sign on naira notes??

tammie24:
Renovation ongoing till 2023
Ko ni dafun APC

no be lie

tammie24:
Renovation ongoing till 2023
Ko ni dafun APC

no be lio oh

nokatakata:
You can go phuck yourself or eat foetus.
Obaseki can join whatever party he likes after losing election. It doesn't change the fact that he will be disgraced out of office. When you " edo is not Lagos" chanting camels where pushing him, you didn't think about getting a life. You and obaseki go hear wheeeeeen!

Hahahahaha....Even if Obaseki hear wheeeen, your miserable life will still be the same na...so what's the point??

nokatakata:
Obaseki can bring down the whole building if he likes. It won't stop him from going down. He is only making things complicated for himself. I just hope he has gotten his Visa to escape after the election because him go hear am after election.

you are just one of the masses fooling themselves!! What happened to fayose after he left office? What makes you think obaseki cannot join APC after leaving office and this matter will just end? Was the EFCC not all over Ize iyamu for 700 million naira theft? What is happening to him now?? you better go and get a life and leave these politicians alone!!

aaking:
Thank God your father and Pastor Adeboye may be mate. When they told both to pray your foolish father was busy playing draft and other useless games making your own life miserable. Have respect for the Elders you wouldn't because you are trained in sure a way

Funny enough, you and the guy you quoted are the same!! I can see how you have respect for elders!! smh

Incandescent:
Dem never born that government yet

Please don't kid yourself!! I'm a Christian and I don't want the convention to be banned. But if the government want it banned there's nothing anyone can do about! Don't ever underestimate the power of government!!

Jhenny:
More than 2000 cows are slaughtered during each convention and not 400. Remember they also feed all the invited guests from all over the world for the 7 days.

Stop exaggerating my friend!! why didn't you just say 200 million cows are being slaughtered every convention?? Nonsense!!

cana882:
audio execution. Which interstate train travel with modern coaches was promulgated by GEJ’s regime?

You can go and ask Rotimi Amechi that question!!

cana882:
At least we’re seeing some effect of the loan in rail transportation than Jonathan’s era that everything was embezzled. Amaechi you’ve done well but please reduce the amount and frequency of borrowing.

just look at how you are disgracing yourself with so much stupidity!! even Amechi here said 80% of the project was executed by Jonathan's administration!! mumu!!

GboyegaD:
Even if he gives the order, can't they just ensure it is peaceful? You are the example of one living in denial as you are only trying to pass the bulk around.

Which order do you think will be given to them??...."arrest anyone on the street protesting". And that's exactly what they are doing. So what are you yapping about??

PigTormentor:
Rubbish, was it not the same Goatluck that paid OPC to beat up protesters in Lagos? Some of you have no memories or just enjoy lying.

mumu!! Show me pictures of OPC flogging protesters in Lagos during Jonathan's administration and I will show you pictures of thousands of people protesters(including tinubu, falana, etc) protesting in Lagos without police or military harassment.

GboyegaD:
The police and military forces are one of the biggest challenges of our country. Innocent citizens protest, dem go arrest yet, Boko Haram and the bandits dem, dem no fit face dem.

You are not ready to tell yourself the truth!! You think the police and military are acting on their own?? You had better chanelled your blame to the president who is the commander in chief!!

searchng4love:
Xiaomi Redmi 2 for sale 20,000

are you sure this phone is still in good condition?? I want to buy for a kid sister!

Organicist95:
interesting

Snap yourself standing close to the properties that are outside and you will receive 10k

please don't waste your time! that idiot just registered on nairaland today.

IgboSomalia:
Were you deaf and dumb when Jonathan used DSS to ransack Apc office in Lagos under the guise of looking for evidences of rigging?
Were you deaf when Jonathan stupidly referred to Apc as amala and ewedu party?
You must be more foolish than GEJ to think he allowed Apc.

Tinubu would contest in 2023 and there is nothing you guys can do but cry.

I don't give a damn about useless politicians in Nigeria, but just look at how you are disgracing yourself with certainty of Tinubu contesting as if you are God!! Abba kyari and Isa funtua said more than this! Smh

payloader:
Calculate when Israel became a nation till when she will get to 100 years as a nation. That's when God will wrap things up with this present government of satan. Read the book of Daniel.

Your bigotry is legendary!! Didn't the Bible say no one knows when the son of man shall come??

favor914:
Your papa go work during the lockdown? Then whose parents did you expect would have gone to work?

you are just here fooling yourself!! were those on essential duties not working during the pandemic?? Were some VIP's not gallivanting during the lockdown?? In case your brain is too dull to know, it was the masses that were kept at home during lockdown. Mumu!!!

Dididrumz:
The Nigerian of Nigeria!!!!!
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I run a manufacturing business and a trading business. 
The biggest challenge in my manufacturing business is not power, or infrastructure, the biggest challenge is getting honest staff.

Everyone we hire appears to be on a mission to steal as much as possible. Inflated invoices, recording less than the actual number of units produced.

The worst part of it all is that all the fraud we've uncovered is not done by a single person, it's usually many staff who collude with each other, from production, to sales, to finance, even top management. There was a year I overhauled the Management 3 times in a year.

But I've found a solution, I now use Indian Management Team. So competent, so honest and so straightforward. I thought they were expensive at first with all the visa fees, accommodation, house staff, but now that losses due to staff theft have been reduced to a minimum, and efficiency increased, the Indian Management has turned out to be cheaper than the previous Nigerian Management.

Now, all sensitive positions involving money go to Indians. Nigerians are only allowed in non-sensitive positions. I used to criticize companies like Dangote Group that hire so many Indians when there are many unemployed Nigerians, but now, I understand their decision. 

My biggest challenge in the trading business is the same, getting honest staff. The form of trading occurs in the open market, and involves staff having access to huge sums of money running into a few millions. I know how much I pay to security companies to provide escorts for the staff, not to prevent robbery, but to ensure that the staff go straight to the bank to deposit the money after the day's sales and not disappear with my money.

This money spent on security companies is even enough to be declared as profit. We have to spend on CCTV, biometric scanners and other things that wouldn't not be needed if staff weren't looking for the slightest opportunity to steal. 

It got so bad at a point that my main criteria for employing staff was no longer conpaetency but honesty. At least, competency and skills can be learnt, but once you're dishonest, you're dishonest. 

We always complain of the economy and how they are no jobs. I know people abroad who would have loved to set up job creating businesses in Nigeria but they can't because they can't get any trustworthy person to run it. 

I know people in Nigeria with so much money, they want to start factories and other job-creating businesses but they can't because they are occupied elsewhere and can't get any trustworthy person to run the business.

So instead of investing in the real sector and creating jobs, they'll just buy treasury bills, while the thieves are shouting no jobs. 

Many big businesses would have been born in Nigeria if we could engage in partnerships, but we cant because you can't trust anyone. This is one advantage the Indians and Lebanese have over us in Nigeria. They can pull resources together and do mega-business, unlike Nigerians that because only one person must do everything since we can't partner, end up with small, tiny businesses. 

Start a poultry and they will be stealing your eggs. Some will even go
ahead to be killing the chickens so that they'll be allowed to take them home.

Start an entertainment/viewing/game center and they'll be pocketing
your money. On the days you're around at the business, the money
realized will be x10 of the money realized when you're not around.
Because they're eating your money.

Lease out a vehicle to a driver to use and watch as he'll finish you.

Start a restaurant, the same thing will happen. More than half of the
total food ingredients will end up in their personal kitchens.

Even ordinary provisions shop, they will find a way to steal.

You'll see them with that their evil, wicked saying "na where person dey work, na there e dey chop, na e make dem dey callam workchop/workshop"...... Just imagine, justifying theft at work. 

And you'll see these people point their crooked fingers at politicians when they're not any different. I usually say the reason most Nigerians haven't stolen billions of government money, is simply lack of opportunity.

Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria. Our Nigerian Nigeria............

This is quite expository!! You are absolutely right about this!!

Golan007:
Will you shut up you buffoon.

Is Ibori not an ex-convict?

Just look at this compound fool!!! Can you prove how being curropt is the criteria to becoming patron of former governors?? I know your brain is incapable of understanding my comment!!