kobesosimi:

I remember this same slow-footed kobe playing lockdown defense on wade in their second game, especially that fourth quarter. that was classic kobe.

Everyone has had their great defensive moments, I can show youtube videos of Wade playing some great defense on Kobe as well.

kobesosimi:

Everytime Wade missed, he looked at the refs because he was upset about not receiving any phantom calls.

. . .like Kobe does every other game?

kobesosimi:

Try not to humor yourself

Don't worry, you're doing a good job at it.

kobesosimi:

Do you remember the Olympics? It exposed Wade's abilities, or lack thereof. They literally sagged off him, and he couldn't hit open shots to save his life.

Remind me his FG% in the Olymipcs again?

kobesosimi:

I remember Carmello prospering, even Carmello's offense is better than wade's.

Carmelo needs a catalyst (i.e a PG) to get his offense going. Wade does not. I may be exaggerating, but it seems like Melo gets his points mostly from alley-hoops & dunks. And the system Melo plays in is responsible for inflation of his offensive stats. If you didn't have Kobe's nuts rooted deep in your throat, you would understand this.

kobesosimi:

Just remember, when the game is on the line, so is Wade.

Thank God.

kobesosimi:

In short, if you consider free throw line offense great offense, then lol.
62 in three qtrs., heck 56 in 3qtrs. Heck 55, in a half, err should I go on, is greater than any offensive display wade has ever put on in his entire career.

When you shoot a million times, what do you expect? And again, I'm not discrediting Kobe O-game in any way.

kobesosimi:

Why did I bother responding to this anyway? Only a fruit would think Wade's offense is evangelical.

You respond b/c you know I'm right. . . .and, you're right. I'm a fruit for thinking he was evangelical when he scored the last 17 points against the Pistons to comeback from a 4th quarter deficit, or when he scored 18 consective points in the third quarter to close out a 4-0 series against the Wizards in a pivitol playoff game w/o Shaq. And this is just two of the many Jordanesque performances he has had in his 4-year career    

kobesosimi:

The only reason he shoots such a high percentage is the freethrow fouls he gets.

Obviously, you didn't catch Wade last offensive outputs that resulted in wins. The guy dominated the 4th quarter through is mid-range game alone, shooting 6/7 against Portland and 7/10 against San Antonio w/ NO FREETHROWS. Oh, and BTW, Wade has shot less than 10 free-throws in his last 7 games

kobesosimi:

You are indeed dunce. Have you watched Jason Kidd,Dennis Johnson, and their likes play defense, do they have that long wingspan? Try again. Keep making excuses for Wade.

When did I ever say you have to possess a long wing-span to play effective on-ball defense. Putting words in my mouth doesn't get any more routine for you, does it "dunce"? I was implying that the wing span is one of the unwarranted benefits a for good perimeter defense, since the better defenders in the league are traditionally forwards/centers.

kobesosimi:

Thanks for again, owning yourself, like you'd say, OWNED.Are you now accusing Kobe of getting lit-up after you claimed he's "slow footed"?

Retards get special treatment. In this case, I'll let go.

kobesosimi:

I'd take slow footed kobe's defense over wade's reach-in defense any day. At least he steps up to the defensive challenge, unlike wade. . .get the drift?

Yeah, I get the drift. . . .and gets lit up every other game.

kobesosimi:

Iverson is also top 10 in steals, heck he's been top 10 in steals most of his career, is he a great defender too? Try again.

Is Iverson the best shot-blocking guard in the NBA? Case closed.

kobesosimi:

It's easy to get blocks when you guard players much shorter than you like Wade usually does, he then sags off his man to get blindside blocks.

It is good defense, nonetheless. . .Isn't it? Again, you refuse to acknowledge Wade and his great help-defense. A true hater.

kobesosimi:

watch some of kobe's highlight blocks, whether it be hustling back on defense to prevent fast breaks, I've seen that at least thrice this year, or blocking potential game winning shots by T-Mac, Sabonis, etc.

Only difference is, Wade does that far more consistently.

kobesosimi:

Who? Ohhh you mean Damon Jones? I'd like to see him guard billups or hamilton, who are star guards, it'd be funny.

Like Kobe when he got got lit up for 60 by Arenas, 45 by Redd? Arenas, who usually have poor shooting performances was like 20-23 that day, LOL

kobesosimi:

What's the point here exactly? Does wade actually guard those guys you've listed? He'd be afraid to get lit up, a true defender would step up to those challenges, try again.

He doesn't have to. He has a shitload of great perimeter defenders on his team, unlike Kobe.

kobesosimi:

I couldn't even begin to list the perennial guards in the west, I refuse to dwarf your list, so I'll let you bask in shame.

key word: Offensive threat. I want to see you "dwarf" my list, LOL

kobesosimi:

How does this tie into one's ability to play defense? Try again. Seriously, you can do better.

Read what the "bush doctrine" does, slowly this time. Hopefully, you will be able to comprehend better.

kobesosimi:

This same argument can be made for Kobe, Lebron, Tracy, [insert the player here].

Honesty, Can these guys put teams into foul trouble like Wade. . . .I know, it's the refs, just like any Wade hater would say. . .

kobesosimi:

Since you don't seem to comprehend the point, I'll repeat myself. you started this sporadic defense nonsense, based on speculation.

This is a Kobe vs. Wade debate, isn't it? Otherwise, I'm in the wrong thread

kobesosimi:

What did you say was fact again? I'm still searching for a factual post from your lackadaisical posts. You seem so infatuated with stats.

The facts are that Wade draws more of an influence on his team than Kobe, and both have the same # of opp. PER w/ Wade playing against more tougher guards.

comprende?

kobesosimi:

Common sense does not require stats.
You posted the same nonsense twice, are you that bad at reading through your own posts? Meh.

Common sense doesn't require knocking one players game to praise your own player, either. . . .And I'm sure the facts & numbers are nonsense, right? Especially when evaluating two of the premire players in the league

kobesosimi:

DaPain Wade is going to have to do alot of work this off season to repair the last mage I had of him getting ambulanced off in a wheel chair crying like a schoolgirl over a shoulder injury.

KoMe Cryant is going to have to do alot of therapy this off season figuring out his race & cultural background. Uncle Tom think he's Asian, now. LOL

Tornadoz:

@sharetroll Why the name calling.(dickhead, speaking from the ass etc). Most intellectually challenged people always resort to this.

Since those are the types of people I dealing w/, I have no other choice, b/c of the blind, homeristic responses.

Christino:

OMG! Not again!

The starter of this thread is obviously depreciating in value.

From Classical is better than RAP
it's American Football is Better than Soccer
The next thing will be Basketball is better than Hockey or Trains are better than Buses.

Fact is it'll get to the main page, ATTENTION SEEKER!!!

MLS is better than Premiership - Gbeff!


Now we all know you are studying in america, you are VEEERY FAT (though you call it well-rounded) and you've been forging documents to call them grades (you say you have a 3.9 out of 4.0 yet you can't even use the wise part of your brain)

Now you resort to name-calling, attacking people who don't buy into your shares, i'm here for you all day. Look at the votes. . . you'll be sent to the gallows if by the break of dawn these figures don't change! Olodo!

Your bashing is overplayed & worn out which you and only find audiences w/ like-minded, dogmatic neanderthals.

Objectivity is a thing to be valued and you obviously have none.

Carry on.

mr me too:

its funny how the trolls. . .

I'm the same troll, idiot.

ThiefOfHearts:

sharetroll, I asked you to stop being retarded and I see that you have decided to take that route anyway.

Where the hell did I say you have to be non-American to enjoy it? You freaking made it out that oh because America hates it then it sucks and I commented on that stating that them not liking it doesnt mean SHIT, now you are rambling some garbage that I didnt even say in the first place.

Quit being an idiot else I wont let you in Ibadan you ungrateful cad.

I'm expressing the idea of general Soccer homers/Football haters on this thread, and you just happen to be one of 'em. Fact of the matter is, most ignorant Soccer homers like you have the attention span of a 5-year old and can't sit still long enough to understand the game of Football.

If you haven't seen it at a high level or even been to game then, you wouldn't appreciate the game.

Who's more of a retard, dickheads like you who bash Football or well-rounded, objective individuals like myself who understand the game and how incredibly skilled the athletes are who play the game?

Tornadoz:

sharetroll Wrote But you are not talking to Americans, you are talking to Nigerians in Diaspora. American football might be popular in the USA but it is not popular around the world. Don't you get it?

Of course I get it. Why do you think I decided not to make/demand a poll for which is the better sport. B/c, considering this is an international site, the outcome would be obvious. Instead, Seun made the poll to make me look ridiculous.

ThiefOfHearts:

Lol. No offence but America isnt the end-all to everything. Whether or not they like the sport here doesnt mean shit. it really doesnt. "oh well that's why it doesnt get much love in America", so what? Who gives a shit?

Who besides Americans give a damn about American football? Freaking curling has a better damn following.

The whole "well america hates it so it must suck" thing is very retarded. Please don't be retarded.

Again, the tired, typical "ignorant Americans don't understand Soccer" idea is for people who are just too stupid to say anything else. I do know how big Soccer is in Europe and around the world. But what the hell is that supposed to have to do with my liking it or being able to "appreciate" the sport?

I've seen Soccer. I've seen other sports. When it was all said and done, Soccer was not one of my favorite. But leave it to some slowpoke like you to try and reduce it to some "ignorant American thing". Typical.

simmy:

speed isnt really an issue in soccer, no matter how fast u are u gotta hav skills.

I understand there is a large soccer skill set, I was being slightly facetious. But when you've got countries that seems to preach falling (Portugal,  C Ronaldo being some of the better examples) when games are decided by a single goal, its hard to really qualify that sport as the best in the world to me.

simmy:

Soccer is spiritual and i don't expect a troll to understand it.
American football sucks,

. . .spiritual to the sense that a countries citizens will go out and kill the goalie for their team b/c a team scored on him.

simmy:

soccer is not necessarily bw nations, leagues exist in almost all countries in the world including the u.s.a even tho i must admit american league soccer is boring. theres just something about the american spirit that does not flow with soccer. Americans can't understand wtching a game for 90mins and recording a score of 2 or 3. Tht explains y most americans ive met are daft!

Soccer is boring because the game is flawed.  There simply isn't enough correlation between execution and scoring.  

And don't tell me that I don't understand soccer vibe. . . .I've seen huge rivalry games in the world's biggest stadium (Rio de Janeiro).

Eastcoast:

Most people don't realize that most NFL players are very tough, strong, versatile. Despite the weight of those pads etc, they are still able to maintain very fast speed.

CO-SIGN!! Thank you, baby.

adconline:

Football is what you kick with your foot not hand. Handball is what you throw with your hand not foot.
Beckham cannot turn MLS around because Americans simply don't like soccer. Its a full 45 minute of play game with no commercials. Unlike NFL where there are interruptions for commercials. Corporate America will not buy ad spots. NFL games last for over 3hours even though each quarter is for 15 mins, commercials will stretch it to about 45minutes. NFL is purely for entertainment like Wrestling. Any obese guy can play in NFL, while it takes skills and flair to play soccer .Have U ever tried doing some chores with your legs instead of hands? Boy it’s impossible. So, what NFL guys do with their hands is what real football players do with their feet. Who is better?
Americans like high scoring games. A point in NFL is upped to 6 points with a point for field goal while a goal is a goal in soccer .It could also be done in soccer, but its not for entertainment like magic. Americans are very individualistic, so they don't like to share victory- they cannot play a game where there is no winner, as in soccer- (1-1) draw. Besides, America is opposite of British- does not want to be associated with British traditions: baseball as against cricket, American football as against rugby, Episcopal Church=Anglican, electric switch is upside down. Let’s remember they incorporate their military might in everything they do, they use draft, offense and defense in NFL. NFL is for muscular athletes with fewer skills. NFL is a game of speed and collision, while soccer is a game of contact and skills. SO many differences.

Soccer is boring. That's for sure.

Most of the countries of the world are smaller than the USA. Take Europe. Most countries are like states here and they're all close. This sets up a bigger rivalry between nations. We don't have that here. . . .Who would be our rival? Canada? Mexico?

And Soccer is the sport between nations. I don't think it would matter if they played tiddly winks. It's national pride. So it generates a lot of excitement.

Because America is so large and isolated the rivalries are between cities and states within our country. We don't get too excited about a soccer game with Mexico or a basketball game with Lithuania.

texazzpete:

Hmm. so much confusion about the NFL. How do we decipher it?
I know! Let's ask Chris Rock!!

Chris Rock says "The White americans raised the biggest house slaves to do sport for them! That's why they call it the NFL. Stands for Nigga bleeping Large!"

Dunno if i agree with him or not, but we got these monstrous, steroid enhanced guys racing all over the field. These guys spend years huddling together and planning and very little time actually doing stuff! Soccer FTW!

Another ignorant post. Why do you guys love to speak out of your ass? These NFL players are highly strutinized and tested rigourosly for any performance-enhancing drugs each year. The only guy that tested positive last year was Shawne Merriman, and that was 4-months before the start of the season!!! These guys are tested year-round. You would do the world a big favor if you could stop speaking out of your ass.

Vieira:

I would love to see this "LeBron" poof try and out run Theo Walcott!!

Coming here and making silly statements without any research.

"World Series" ha ha ha ha ha, how many countries take part again?

ha ha ha ha.

Nonsense and Ingredients.

Why are you speaking out of your ass? LeBron runs a 4.4, That is blazing speed. LeBron is also bigger and stronger than this pathetic "Theo Walcott" you're comparing him to, and I don't even like LeBron that much. . .

Donzman:

@trollremix

Don't bask in ignorance please, what kind of statement is this:

Did you see the ignorant post that LoverBwoy made on #95? Can you even count the # of ignorant posts that these Soccer homers have been made throughout the thread? Maybe I exaggerated a little, claiming they're no world class sprinters, but that was out of the ignorant garbage these Soccer homers were spewing.

Donzman:

How do you know James is stronger than anyone in professional soccer. . .Some of these soccer guys are lean but STRONG as hell. You do not play for 90 minutes with tackles flying all over the place without being strong.

Should I bring out the #'s again? None of these Soccer player are even remotely as strong as LeBron. Lets not make pathetic statements, now.

Donzman:

Here is a question for you:

If you like American Football so much, why don't you like rugby? They do the things NFL players do and the game is free flowing. They're allowed to pass, pop up and kick the ball into the goal and they do not wear helmets and protective gear only to come out pounding their chests.

I already stated in this thread that I love Rugby in post #88.

OWNED

Donzman:

How do you know this?. . .Did you measure the speed or jumping ability of any soccer player?. . .Real footballers do not care about those things because at the end of the day, it is a game of SKILL and TECHNIQUE which is why people appreciate it. I want to see skill, teamwork, cohesiveness, a free flowing game, FIT and not FAT individuals. To execute an overhead kick, the run and stop on the dime, to have exquisite body control, that is definitely athleticism. Look at the 2-time NBA MVP, Steve Nash, he will always tell you his sweet game is attributed to his soccer background.

If I want to see people hit each other, I'll watch boxing or rugby, atleast they do not stop the game after every 3 seconds. They also do not wear protective gear and start acting tough. Lest I forget, what kind of game requires 2 teams to play it?

Don't bring up Steve Nash. He's not the most athletic & skilled player in the NBA, and he's certainly not the best player. Just look at how he plays defense, LOL. He just plays in a system that best fits his offensive style. If he played in the Princeton/Triangle offense like the Lakers, or the system that of a Jeff Van Gundy's, he would be an utter liability. Please, don't go the NBA route, b/c I will murder you.

As for skill & athleticism, It comes down to this. . . .

In America we have a lot of mainstream sports. . .Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball, Golf, Soccer, etc. . . 

And given all of these choices, soccer is ignored. It is a sport for the kids that can't make the elite sports team. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

I did a little research on speed guys.

Thierry Henry:  11.0 100-meter dash

Michael Own  10.8

David Odonkor 10.7

Johann Smith 10.5

Wynalda  4.4 in the 40-yards. . .

And from what I could find. . . .the NFL would easily sweep all the sprints in a track meet. Thierry Henry is fast, and I see that he's could be considered the fastest soccer player ever. But not fast enough to run with the NFL speed guys.

And of course. . .the NFL guys are bigger with that speed. Which makes them even more athletic.

I don't really have to talk about this anymore. It's clear that I'm right given the attention that Soccer gets here in America.

kobesosimi:

This is laughable, you've just exposed your intentions.

It is arguable that Wade's defense may be better at this point, Kobe's defense @ 21 was better, but you have to admit it has fallen off big time. So many factors contributed to that, including the arthroscopic knee surgery. And did you pay attention to how many times Wade blew by slow footed Kobe on Christmas Day?

kobesosimi:

Uhh never heard that one before

You get a pass, LOL

kobesosimi:

And this is an excuse for his pathetic defense? Try again.
FYI, Kobe's offense is incomparably greater than wade's. Wade can only hope to approach Kobe's offensive prowess some day.

What can Kobe do that Wade cannot besides chuck FG%'s which is mediocre at best? Shoot the 3? That's about it. There are some players like Artest & Prince, or a Hinrich that have SHUT DOWN Kobe. I can barely think of 1 player that has contained Wade at best. Wade drives and finishes better than anyone else in the game. Like an above poster said: Wade is intelligent, and controls the mental aspect of games, something Kobe hasn't been able to master for years. Wade takes smarter shots. . .part of the reason why he blows every other SG away in FG%. I'll rather take a person who will take the smarter shots than someone who can chuck his own team into defeat like a Kobe or Arenas, though Kobe is developing more of a team concept now. But you still cannot refute the facts I posted on post #44. Wade's defense is pathetic? You are a HATER. And, just for good measure, a prime-Pippen would shut-down Kobe.

kobesosimi:

The elite guards in the east all right, like who? Michael Redd? Gilbert Arenas? Please don't start.
Wade's defensive rating has nothing to do with the fact that Wade is not a sound defender, but hey he has room for improvements.
Lol.
Besides, wade does not even guard the opposing player's best perimeter player so why start this myopic rant.
Get back on topic please, will you?
felt the need to repeat what you stated above?
Guess where wade's passive defense got him? It got him a dislocated shoulder.
Lol, claiming that a solid defender like ben wallace is a "passive defender" further exhibits how much of a troll you truly are.
Besies when you say opponents, do you mean the pg?sg?sf?pf?c?

Wade does not guard the best defender b/c he doesn't possess the physical gifts that on-ball defenders like a Wright or Posey have (e.g long wingspan). Those players were brought or drafted by Miami b/c of DEFENSE Generally, great defenders like Pippen and Tayshaun Prince had it, Wade doesn't have it. And what is the big deal in guarding the best perimeter player when you get lit up for 60, 45 points. . .get the drift? Wade plays some of the best help/team defense I have ever seen. Obviously, you don't watch Wade. There is a reason why he is in the top 10 in steals, and the BEST SHOT-BLOCKING GUARD in the NBA. It's b/c his help defense is amazing. And, when I say opponents, I'm talking about the perimeter players that Wade guards. The East have far more guards that are offensive threats, than the West. . . .Paul Pierce (swingman), Gilbert Arenas, Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, Vince Carter (swingman), to name a few. Most of the West offensive juggernauts are F/C's. Why do I have to break things down the half-brain you are?

OWNED

kobesosimi:

Why does your statement seem to contradict itself? How does a meek defender like Wade, wear opponents out with his defense? Does he take charges? Does he get into "lock down defense" mode? heck he's not a lock down defender.Bogus accusation, nexted.

Your comprehension skills are lacking. Read what I said about the "Bush Doctrine". Wade wears his opponents production out by getting them in foul trouble, so they won't be able to perform effectively on the offensive end. It would help if you can read before you write.

kobesosimi:

fyi, I can go on and on and on, but, this whole response was based on speculation, I would have discarded it, but I wanted to make sure you understand that your post is utter trash.

The facts are utter trash? So the numbers are trash? My responses are based on speculation? LOL

kobesosimi:

Same concept applies to the prior one, I won't bother responding to that because I have more serious situations to focus on atm.

Translation - I can't refute what he said.

nferyn:

There's more to athleticism than power and speed. Neither American football nor football are endurance sports, try rowing, long distance running and cycling

But, who cares about rowing, cycling, etc. . .Religious threads are your real home. Endure it.

seeni4ever:

trollremix, your mama drop in trash bin or what. me no want gay they yan shit like that to me

LOL @ this guy grinning hard & stroking his nutsack b/c some Soccer player decided to flop during his game-tying goal that merely worths a point.

Gamine:

True talk TOH

American Football is soo Gay
i have a friend in my sch who was a football player when he was in high school in the States

He totally confirmed it

So one person (your friend) is the determining factor here. WOW

ThiefOfHearts:

Lol, are you just being a full troll this time, sharetroll because I can't take this topic seriously

American football is the gayest sport ever and how can you complain about the violence there when there are sports like hockey??

HAHAHAHA, DLOL. . . . .You talk about violence. . . .What about the soccer player who got hammered in in the head b/c they were discussing KARAOKE

LMAO, You know how many riots goes on during Soccer games for the littliest thing. . . .VLOL, Talk about violence.

Only in Soccer do you get a SportsCenter Top 10 play where a guy misses a shot. What a sport.

There goes the little girl flexing her internet muscles.

Again, I will say soccer is pathetic. I also forgot to mention Ireland and the hooligans. How many folks do these guys beat up every game?

People were getting mad about the allstar game in Vegas being violent? Virtually every soccer game ouside of the US is more violent than that.

adconline:

It seems you do not know the meaning between foot and hand. You call it football and throw it with your hands. What do you call handball? This is called Rugby elsewhere except America. NFL is a game of speed and collision, while real football is a game of contact , skill and flair. In football-soccer, you have to be a versatile/utility player and NFL you only have be good at one. Imagine Robine Gould or Adam Vinateri being paid millions to kick only. Peyton Manning another $100 million to throw only, Devin Hester another million of dollars to return kicks. Its a game that is devoid of talent, Imagine Shaq getting paid millions to block shots and Wade getting paid millions to throw 3 points. Besides, its a game meant for obese men. 70% of them are. That's why their life span and career are shorter than any professional team sport.

NFL is a hyped game, that's why a score/tough down with hand is upped to six point while a kick with foot is upped to 3point. What prevents soccer from saying that a goal is 7 or 6 points. Its just that NFL likes high scoring game and a game of fantasy. NFL is purely entertainment like Royal Rumble or Wrestling.

Soccer is not popular in the US because it doesn't match up well with American culture. Americans are result-oriented, and so if something happens on the playing field that doesn't lead to something that constitute a "result" (either points or statistics that they consider significant in some way) then they think that "nothing happened".

The most popular American sports are those that usually can be quantified easily making almost every action count for something. In baseball, they have a stat for just about everything except picking your nose, and they are looking to add MORE stats all the time (for example, Saves are not enough. Now they want to count "Holds" too.) In basketball every play results in at least 1 stat--shot, foul, turnover, steal, block, etc and virtually every good play is measurable in a quantifiable progress (points). In Football, again every single play generates measurable numbers and quantifiable progress (either points or territory).

Two sports that are relatively popular world-wide but weak in the USA: Hockey and Soccer. Both those sports have a lot of up-and-down, back-and-forth, but relatively low scoring and limited statistical tracking to produce a "result" aside from scoring. For example, in baseball you do something measured and considered significant every time you get a base hit. In hockey or soccer you get nothing for a good play where you beat a defender or two but don't get a shot on goal.

Think of basketball where goaltending and fouling was allowed, reducing the scores probably more to 20/25 points/game per team. Basketball popularity would likely plummet, because Americans are no-nonsense and appreciate RESULTS a lot more than process. You can also see the difference in the preferred kind of auto racing: Americans like NASCAR, the rest of the world likes Formula 1.

BlackMamba:

All these these cursing over some ball player! Men, I'm really going to miss my "lost credibility"
What if I agree with you that Wade is good. Will you suck my d*ck?

You should learn to stop speaking out of your ass and watch the games for once. To say Wade is merely a hustle player reveals your knowledge of basketball. If you want to witness a pure "hustle player", try Ben Wallace. . .does all the dirty work (blocks, steals & boards) while his teammates looks to score. Wade is extremely talented. For you not to recognize that shows you're just a hater.

P.S. If Kobe is that far & away the more talented player then why did he lead his team to the lottery & first round exit respectively when handed the leadership role? Why couldn't he beat the same Pistons team that Wade torched in last years Eastern Conference Finals?

RuuDie:

I'd go 4 neither , I prefer Manu Ginobili , think he's a much better player + he ain't yankee

LMAO, You are not to be taken seriously. The two most hated athletes in the NBA is arguably Kobe & Wade, respectively. I measure a players greatness by the # of his detractors. Ginobli isn't remotely close to the strutiny that these two receive. He is a good flopper, though. And what does your nationality have to do w/ your game?

The media is so liberal and jewed up now its getting funny. So obvious how they screwed Mel Gibsons Apacolypto out of any nominations because of his Jew remarks. . .Then, for best documentery all nominations were anti-American or pro-liberal propaganda films. . . .and of course Al Gores film on Global Warming wins. . .Then we have all the gay agenda thrown in peoples faces with Ellen hosting and Mellissa Ethridge winning for best song. . .Then we have the obligitory black nominees and winners who don't deserve it.

Does anybody take the Oscars seriously anymore?

I don't know why you people watch this stuff. Most of the things MTV throws out there is utter garbage.