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Christianity EtcRe: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00(op): 8:16pm On Sep 07, 2019
wickedtuna:
i get your point sir and the funny thing is we both believe in this same God but your only problem is you restrict God to just an Invincible entity with power, which is also like making an idol of him. But i on the hand dont play by those stereotypes. I see his works,i breathe, thats God, the earth he wonderfully created is full of his goodness, thats also God. Except an iron is red hot or steaming, how can you tell its hot? That i believe and have also seen which in turn means i know God, is that not an added advantage? please pardon my grammar.
@the first bolded. You got the whole point wrong. The point here is, How do you know God exists without believing in Him, or in His Words first?

If you follow my premise, I have stated that before you get to know God, Faith that He exists comes first. You cannot know Him without believing in Him first. If you believe in Him, that is, in His Words, He will be the one to grant you illumination, insight or the revelation (what we Christians call Rhema), to know Him. You can't do that the way the people of the world go about it.

You breath that is God? How do you know that? You just got up and know it is God? How can you tell? Can prove it's God?

How do you know He created the earth? You know for a fact that He did? Prove it.

I asked you how you wld know an iron is a metal (in the first place) which has the tendency to be hot if heated if it was Invisible?

Pls address all my points. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00(op): 8:48am On Sep 06, 2019
wickedtuna:
for even the bible says "test and see that the lord is good" to believe fire is hot is different than to know its hot. I think thats what the op isnt understanding. What do i know tho.
This is not Science where you go into the lab to put experiments t test, this is Christianity.
This following a Spirit. An entity you cannot see or feel. The only way you can know Him enough to follow Him to where He leads, is to first believe that He even exists.

You are told an iron is hot, but you have never seen an iron before. To know it, you wld have to first see it right? Now, the iron is invisible, so you, a material being, cannot see nor touch. How then can you know what an iron is, to know it's hot?

You folks wants to follow Jesus with your senses, but, it won't work. For, "without faith it is impossible to please him: ~~for he that cometh to God must believe that he is~~, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hebrews 11:6

No one can know God without first believing in Him.
Budaatum is preaching New Age, and t won't cut here.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 10:03pm On Aug 22, 2019
CodeTemplar:
To me, science isn't but some scientist are.
My dear the way scientists wants to project satan to the World. In movies, in Music, in fashion, all kinds of inventions.

What surprises me is why humans wld want to serve satan.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 9:59pm On Aug 22, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Lol...
My brother, the thing tire me. The way Igbo people want become Jews eh. Make we koko dash dem Jesus nah.

I for still believe and Love am like say na igbo man him bin be.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 7:34pm On Aug 22, 2019
michaelkaroh:
I don 4gt am o... I think say u been still know am.... Lol
No. Abeg Na wo for hia no the village for Enugu state wey Jesus from?
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 5:54pm On Aug 22, 2019
OkCornel:
The conversation is steering towards the end, that's if we're not done already sef...

No worries.
Thank you for understanding.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 5:53pm On Aug 22, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, abi, you too, believe Elijah ascended in a chariot of fire as well, erhn?
Ha. No be weytin Bible talk? I don't know otherwise o.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 5:51pm On Aug 22, 2019
michaelkaroh:
Lol.... You're absolutely correct.
I know now. Abeg remind me that his Village name again.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 5:30pm On Aug 22, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Yes I do mean the same John the Baptist that clearly said he's not Elijah

Of course, he isnt Elijah in the body or flesh. Jesus never preached nor taught reincarnation. The Bible never talks about people being reincarnated following death on earth. John the Baptist was confirming he isnt Elijah in the flesh, being a modest man, he stopped short of confirming he is Elijah in the spirit. He is not Elijah, he isnt that prophet, like he said in John 1:21.

I know what angle about all this, you next are going to come from. Let me wait so you'll prove me right

I am not spinning the scripture. I dont have any need to spin the scripture. I dont have anything to gain spinning the scripture. You dont know warris going on, that's the problem
I don beg Cornel, him no gree, make I beg you. Pls stop responding to him. Abeg.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 5:28pm On Aug 22, 2019
michaelkaroh:
If by sources and references you mean the pale man's approval then I'm sorry, none exists. The source of every truth is from God.

I tell you this, the only people in the world speaking anything related to ancient iburu are the igbo people today and some other southern tribes.
I knew we wld get here. Jesus Christ was from Enugu.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 4:08pm On Aug 22, 2019
OkCornel:
Of course, I am just surprised that after his elusive rope a dope tactics on that thread, he still wants to ask for a debate.
Also see how he is trying to spin around Elijah's ascension to heaven in a Chariot of fire as "teleportation"

Anyways, I'm ready to move on, provided he stays off my mentions.

I mean, the genesis of the whole thing was me posting something from the book of Enoch that agreed with EnthronedbyGod's position on the origin of sorcery and witchcraft...

And here we are right now.
Pls let's move on.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 10:23am On Aug 22, 2019
OkCornel:
Ah, you are ashamed to talk about your views on homosexuality here.

No worries though. I'm sorry for calling you a homosexual apologist...if you're not one. But I was very convinced you were in full support of monogamous homosexual relationship...

I was surprised you were asking for a debate after the homosexuality argument. I don't want to engage myself in that kind of debate ever, where you showcased so much evasiveness. Even Shepherd00 could attest to that.
Let homosexuality stay in homosexuality thread nah? Me I don tire sef.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 8:23pm On Aug 21, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Are you deaf or cant read that I have given you my blessing to wallow in your ignorance and blessed your commitment to be an ignoranus.

You are actually lucky, I was ready to put my neck on the line, go mano a mano with you, give you a chance to defend your corner and try to shine with this fake arse accursed fake news Book of Enoch but soon realised you don't send a bwoy on a man's errand.

Keep on incompletely quoting me, just to gain dishonest advantage.
Pls guys let's calm now. it's a discussion nothing Personal.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 8:22pm On Aug 21, 2019
Anas09:
Sorry, for the mix up. Anas09 is not Shepherd.
Yes sir.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 8:16pm On Aug 21, 2019
OkCornel:
is Anas09 also you? I thought I was discussing with someone else tbh...
I'll reply your post
No sir.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 8:06pm On Aug 21, 2019
OkCornel:
Have you heard of Dr. Rebecca Brown? Could she be wrong for exposing the secrets of satanism and witchcraft in America & Europe? Have you read her books?
Yes, I know about Rebecca Brown. And yes her works according to my classification can pass for revealing "The Deep Things of Satan" I'm with a walking that's the distance of services on. This is the reason. When The Lord was on earth, Satan was active as he is today, but, the Lord didn't leave preaching His kingdom to dwell on what satan was doing. All he did when He met them was cast them out, no questions asked. If am wrong correct me pls.

No Apostle's writings reflects the style of Rebecca Brown's. Just like their master, they never recognize satan to talk about him.

As far as I'm concerned, Rebecca Brown's disciples will leave In perpetual fear and torment of satan and his hordes. Her messages are geared to induce fear and hopelessness in the way the societies today, not remembering that satan has always been here but the Church has continued to match forward.

She gives too much information about satan, and too little about the Kingdom of Jesus which she was supposedly called to preach.

She dwells so much on the abilities of satan but almost none about the immense power of the Only Potentiate.

Jesus want us looking up to His Kingdom and power and Victory, If He wanted us knowing so much about satan, he wld've talked more about him. But the whole Bible even seem to ignore satan in a large scale.

Anyone who wants people to cast their eyes down looking at how powerful and connected satan is, is walking for satan, knowingly or unknowingly.

You have not received the spirit of fear again to bondage... Do you know that this means?
OkCornel:
Enoch was a deeply spiritual persons, and as such the mysteries he recorded would be tough for one who is not grounded spiritually.

.
This is unnecessary. All I asked is for the establishment of the books authorship.

OkCornel:
I'll put a breakdown on the book of Enoch shortly
I will look forward to this.

And pls begin with the authentic info about the book's authorship. because Moses writing Genesis after more than 4 to 5 hundred years that his Ancestor Abraham had lived and died, and him being the one who told us about Enoch in the first place, need clarification.

Who wrote the book of Enoch is my question.
If you insist Enoch did. The next question wld be,

When?
Was it during the days of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob?
Was it when the Israelites were in Egypt?

Was it during their 40ys voyage in the Wilderness?

When?
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 7:38pm On Aug 21, 2019
OkCornel:
The book of Enoch is way more about the fallen angels. It also talks about the levels of Heaven, and prophecies on the distant future.
Brotherly, you're not talking to someone who doesn't know about this Book, I have the PDF version and I have read it.

The part that interests me most is the part that says, he came back to earth to write these things to let us know.

And, I asked this question, 'A what point in History did he come back?

OkCornel:
By the way, who called the Book of Enoch the deep things of Satan?
I didn't say anyone did. I only asked a question. Isn't this what the Lord called the deep things of satan?

And, I went further to ask, if it's not, then, what are the deep things of Satan Jesus warned against?

OkCornel:
And why would Jude and Peter quote from that same book?
Sir, I'm asking questions, you leave my questions and are asking yours. One thing at the time nau.

When i read that book, I found very relevant info, but I have my concerns which I need clarifying. If you can.

OkCornel:
I am also awaiting your views on the Apocrypha, and who authored the book of Hebrews.
To begin with, this is not how a conversation shd be. I don't ask a question but instead answering me, you in turn throw some questions back at me.

The book of Hebrew was written by Apostle Paul, For he was the only one who wrote any book in prison.

Before we treat this, let's treat the other first.

Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 7:27pm On Aug 21, 2019
Anas09:
Okay sir. Thanks for the clarification. I wonder why I didn't get this mention.
Christianity EtcRe: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Shepherd00: 7:22pm On Aug 21, 2019
OkCornel:
The rantings of a frustrated homosexual apologist.
Cheers...
I have never known you to loose your cool. What happened?
Pls maintain who you have always been, Calm.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 5:24pm On Aug 21, 2019
jcross19:
you are baby !!!!!! you have myopic and shallow sense of reason and your reason faculty is very poor! for comparing Jesus to Elisha ! Elisha is a definition of weakness that did not hesitated to exercised his power over the poor kids compare to Jesus that was beaten even pleaded on their behalves , instructed his followers to do the same if not Peter would have not been nailed on the cross? ! the love of Christ is not in you! Elisha is a prophet without holy spirit, 1corinthian 13:6-13 ! you are just nothing without love in you!
Where did I compare Elisha to Jesus?
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 5:23pm On Aug 21, 2019
budaatum:
You may try putting lipstick on a swine to make it look better but those with eyes will see that it grunts.

By our fruits are we known Shepherd, and not by the spin we try to put on our fruits.

Please know that I buda insult you!
Thank you for the insult. May God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 9:36am On Aug 21, 2019
jcross19:
john8:5-12, if the love of Christ is in you, you will not be boasting of what Elisha did to that little children , evil is evil even though by using the name of God ! what about Jesus that said we should forgive 70×70 make Jesus stupid!
Boasting? Are you out of your mind? Anyways, I will overlook your ignorance.

So, Prophet Elisha was an Evil man?

Okay, jcross to you, Jesus will indeed be the most evil men to create Hellfire for Satan and the Sinners who work for satan, okwaya?

Boy, repent of your sins, or when you die, what happened to those young men will be a child's play in comparison to what will happen to you.

If you think Jesus will hesitate to judge and sentence you to die the second time in the lake of fire, think again.

Jesus is the God of Love, but also the God of Justice.

Jcross, stop quoting me, you reason like a kid.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 9:25am On Aug 21, 2019
budaatum:
Shepherd! Please! Below was you!



Here was my response:

After which for a full 8 pages in this one thread and in other threads, you harangued me as if I had said you must do as I say!

Did you not understand when you said "Budaatum, the internet does not lie or forget"? Or do you wish to claim I have gone and edited my comments?
I harangued you? Budaatum, if there's anything I've tried to do when I discuss is to focus on the Op. Use scriptures to discuss the Op, but you by all means tried to make it about the people discussing the Op. For instance, the comments you quoted.

budaatum:
Shepherd00 :
Buda, my understanding of your use of 'understanding' here has to do with your intellect and that is merely flesh, and profits you nothing as far as spiritual things are concern.
How did I harangued you in this post? The subject under discussion here was Believe in God, (not Belief). But, you said Understanding (Knowledge)of God is better than merely believing in Him.

What intended for you or anyone following us to see is that, we cannot understand or know God with out intellect (Head Knowledge). Because that puffs up as the Bible states in...

1 Corinthians 8:1-2 ...But knowledge makes us proud of ourselves, while love makes us helpful to others. In fact, people who think they know so much don't know anything at all.
This, I believe explains what Paul said in...

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Check, Who we are did not come up, as my focus was not your persona, but the Op.


Then you replied:
budaatum:
Then let that be your understanding, "that my understanding is merely flesh". Whether it profits me need not be your concern since you would not be standing by God when I am judged.
I must say though that it amuses me that you presume to know my profit as far as spiritual things are concerned. Have you been watching my fruits, I wonder.
Grow up and stop being so emotional. None of what I said referred to you as a person, but see how pouty you got?
What kind of fruits have you conceived in your mind to have borne sef? Enough with puff ups about fruits. Jesus the Lord shd be the right person to apprise if the much talked about fruits have no grups in them.

Proverbs 27:2 Don't brag about yourself— let others praise you.

That said, Buda, I did not say 'Your understanding' or the way you understand things is fleshy. I said, 'Understanding/knowledge' on their own, is flesh (because it makes people proud and self conceited), even as the above scriptures made us understand.

When I said 'It profits you nothing', I wasn't referring to your Person. The 'You' there, refers 'to whom it may concern' who'd rather go for head knowledge/understanding of Jesus, than believe His promises in His Words, and Trust that what He said and walk by them.

But all you have tried to do is insult me or anyone who believes in Jesus.
You subtly used innuendos to cast aspersions to Christians who wld rather merely believe instead of seek to understand Jesus. You deliberately ignored my attempts to bring to light that we do not merely believe in The Lord, but, follow due process as stipulated to us by the Lord.

In Christianity, we believe first, then illumination is given for us to understand what we had believed, then Knowledge is birthed and when that happens, a revelation comes. It is at this point that The Lord said to Peter, "Upon this Rock, I shall be build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

But, Budaatum, you have tried to enforce the New Age approach on Christians, it won't work, because Jesus is not Buddha.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 8:30am On Aug 21, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
"21If you walk in hostility toward Me and refuse to obey Me, I will multiply your plagues seven times, according to your sins.
22I will send wild animals against you, to rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and reduce your numbers, until your roads lie desolate.
"
- Leviticus 26:21-22

What kind of bible is this that, you got a Lev 36:22 from? Please dont let jcross be making you post typos
Hahahahahahaha. It's the hypocrites Bible. People like jcross are to Christian to conceive that YHWH can say or do such terrible things.

But, I know that YHWH is the God of Love, and at the same time the God of War.

YHWH is like the sun, stay at a distance, (Obey His Commandments), you enjoy it's warmth and have your fruits' yield, but come too close, (Disobey), you'd know that the sun is pure fire, and will burn you up.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 5:14pm On Aug 20, 2019
budaatum:
Amen Shepherd, except you lie, again, or just refuse to acknowledge what you read!

Was the following not in response to Shepherd?
Did you or did you not say YHWH didn't create man to worship Him? Did you or did you not say We are not to worship God?
Budaatum, the internet does not lie or forget, you can edit your comments but the ones that have been quoted, are still there.

Again, keep saying it who knows, maybe I may truly become a liar some day.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 5:08pm On Aug 20, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
I see you've managed to suss out from my subtle hints, what the verses were, but why did you share them with Jcross19 before he had the chance to say please Shepherd00, hmm?
Hahahahahahahaha.

And, I didn't manage, they have always been there.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 5:06pm On Aug 20, 2019
budaatum:
Go Shepherd! I wonder how many agree with your assessment of buda though. I think what you say here describes you more than me. But hey! Why bother comparing tits when judgement is the Lord's?

Please note. buda is not righteous! Everyone knows buda is going to hell!
How can Buda go to hell when Buda is everywhere pointing Shepherd to the fruits and talking about Loving ones neighbor? Buda is the only one who does the right thing, no one else does.

From the thread i opened to everywhere we've met, you claimed in no unclear terms that you are better because you seek knowledge and I as a Christian merely believe, that makes me less than you.

You have insulted me directly and indirectly, have I reacted to them? I know you are at all times trying to say Christians are not what they preach. But you fail to understand that Jesus doesn't expect only Christians to be upright in Character.

You throw condescending jibes at me, which if I pick them and throw back at you, we'd be brawling here, but each time I walk away. As I keep walking away, you have assumed that I am weak, or as you call me stupid. But, I understand. Actions they say, speaks louder than words. In other words, 'the content of a man's heart is reflected when upset. Yours shows clearly.

We all have issues with Self, and by all means mine must be subjected. So keep throwing your jibes, i hope one day you'd meet someone who doesn't give a hoot abt throwing them right back at you.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 4:29pm On Aug 20, 2019
jcross19:
you are hypocrite ! I have you john 8;5-11 full demonstration of Jesus love! now back to the main tussle! in the book of 2king 2vs23-King James Bible
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald headed, in this version Bible call them little children! in verse 24 he cursed them in the name of the lord! now listen if Elisha did not curse them nothing will happen to them! God did not send any beast on them but authority have been given to Elisha! even as man of God if you know you way out in the things of the spirit you can still do the same but just know the anger of God will be upon you! if you are still working in the way of old testament you are finish because Jesus as John the Baptist is greatest among man born of a woman is very little compare any one of His kingdom! Elisha is a prophet without holy spirit am very better than Him because I reign with Christ love.
Did you see Lev. 36:22? Na me write am?

I guess you don't believe in the OT?
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 4:26pm On Aug 20, 2019
jcross19:
if you support the killings in the old testament meaning the love Christ is not in you! even the coming of Christ have no meaning to you! and Bible says you are like your father the liar and killer!
Jcross, can you pls dispute the scriptures I posted as not coming directly from YHWh?

Na me write dem ni?
Boy, will you crying upandan?
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 4:22pm On Aug 20, 2019
budaatum:
Temper, Shepherd! Let me pray for you.

O Mighty Lord. Please don't let Shepherd turn away from that which is Godly. For God might not accept Shepherd's excuse that buda made Shepherd sin.

In the Mighty Powerful Jesus Christ I pray. Amen!
And Father, in the name of Jesus, Forgive Budaatum for its self-Righteousness and judgmental spirit. Free it from Pride and haughtiness. Open its eyes to know that Humility is a virtue and help it pursue it.

Father, Give Budaatum your Spirit and grant it the grace to follow you as you prescribe for your followers. Help it to know that double-standardness is ungodly and no double standard individual can receive anything from you.

Father, help Buda to know that quoting scriptures in hypocrisy is not what You have called your People to do, but to humbly submit ourselves to you.

Altho, Buda says it does not believe in You, hence does not worship you, still have mercy on it and lead it to your Truth in your Words Which it does not believe it is.

These and many more, I ask for it. Amen.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00:
budaatum:
Told you you were good at labelling. I find its a recurse to hating. First demonise, then hate that which is demonised. Works every time. Kind of anti-jesus too, who said, "even after you demonise others, love them". But he also said something about narrow gates and the difficulty of entering, so I'm not in the least surprised.

You are not blind shepherd. Fruits!
I labeled you? Aren't you sneaky? Your character is sneaky. Your gender is obscure and sneaky, your style of writing is sneaky. Shd me saying the truth abt you constitute labelling?

Do you know you're proud? Is pride a fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Do you know you are Haughty? is haughtiness a fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Do you know you have a sharp serpentine tongue?

Do you know that if I, for instance, follow your retorts, we'll be brawling evertime we meet in threads? Is brooding quarrels a fruit of the spirit?

Do you know you are insulting and condescending? Are these traits of the Holy Spirit?

Is being obscure about who you are not being deceptive? Is deception not a sin?

Is calling people names not bearing falsewitness against them? Is that a fruit of the Holy Spirit? Is that loving your neighbour?

Buda shd we point out our sins, since you are quick to label people but turn around and act all right like you can actually be, even when you are a Buddhist?


Buda, remove the Iroko tree on your face before you can see clearly to tell me to remove mine.

I have never claimed i am better than anyone, you are the righteous one bearing all the fruits of the Spirit.

Righteous Buda.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Support God's Decision Of Sending 2 Bears To Maul 42 Kids To Death by Shepherd00: 3:39pm On Aug 20, 2019
budaatum:
There you go. Demonise! Then claim you do so in Jesus name.
Geraut Buda

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