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mysticwarrior:
If the devil decide to repent and ask God for forgive, would God still forgive him?

First ask satan if he is remorseful for what he did and is still doing.

jcross19:
so those kids are wicked!

They were young men not kids. And they were 42 Satanic sponsored young men to one man. They got what was coming to them.

Its obvious they were doing that often, but met their Waterloo.

budaatum:
My claim from the beginning of this thread is that God never told nor gave anyone a reason for what God did, and that what we read in the quoted text is precisely one person's opinion about what happened and God never killed anyone, not even those you listed, which is the equivalent of the history of Biafra as written by the conquering looters!

But, YHWH said he wiped them from the land because of their sins.

Are you saying some writer lied against YHWH?

MrPresident1:
We will definitely see about this bearing in mind that Donald Trump has declared Peace and Safety

See? From the coming of Jesus to Donald Trump. It's well.

MuttleyLaff:
They made a suicidal stance when they indicated that Elisha should move, stay and keep away from their town

Abraham and Jacob probably were turning in their graves, thinking isn't this the same Bethel we know, that has come to this

Its "Liar, Liar" and not "Lair, Lair"

Contact me via my Profile, I'll mail you the verse and possibly fill in more details if you do ask

Okay Liar, Liar.

You mean I shd send you a mail?

MuttleyLaff:
Oh, seems I didnt make it clear enough. This is another misinterpretation, as the 42 casualties werent kids, they actually were mouthy young adult males. When this incident happened, Elisha was still quite a young man, just as much about similar age, as these young men were too

There is a reason for every thing. There is a verse that Elisha activated that triggerred that divine retribution

Which verse is that?

MrPresident1:
And you fail to see the consistency and emphasis?

MrPresident1, I wouldn't want to go further with you on this, it'll get us no where.

Pls believe and preach what you like, but remember, we'll all account for our actions to God.

MuttleyLaff:
"the above YouTube clip features Jim Carey, known for his role as bruce in the 2003 Hollywood movie "Bruce Almighty," where in, God (i.e. Morgan Freeman acted as God) actually contacts Bruce and offers him all of His powers, if Bruce thinks he can do a better job than God. Try and watch the movie, if you never have watched it. Good movie. Another good movie with Jim Carey in it, is "Liar, Liar" It's about a kid, who prayed and wish that his dad, a lawyer, will stop lying for a whole day and the wish was immediately put into practice."
- Religion / Re: Purpose Of Creation? by MuttleyLaff: 7:53am On Jul 22

I have seen 'Bruce Almighty', but not seen Lair, lair. Will look for it.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh, seems I didnt make it clear enough. This is another misinterpretation, as the 42 casualties werent kids, they actually were mouthy young adult males. When this incident happened, Elisha was still quite a young man, just as much about similar age, as these young men were too

Oh really? I didn't know this.

42 young men!!! That was quite a huge crowd to taunt just one man.

MrPresident1:
Roshhashanah 2014 Roshhashanah 2015 Roshhashanah 2016 Roshhashanah 2017 Roshhashanah 2018 Roshhashanah 2019

My point exactly.

MuttleyLaff:
Some of us believe we are cleverer than God, some of us believe we can do a better work than God. Some of us believe we're smarter than God. Some us believe we've got all the answers, but really don't at all understand jackshit

None of us understands Anything really.

No one can tell God how to rule His earth.


I remember a movie a saw long ago. 'Bruce Almighty'. A dissatisfied man who complained about everything, until he was offered the job of being God, then he almost went insane because he couldn't even understanding all the languages people used in prayers to him.

He then understood that God's job was not an easy one.

MuttleyLaff:
Those alleged kids, truth is they werent kids at all, anyway the question is, did they physically pay with their lives or not, for mocking the prophet of God

No, they were not kids because they knew what they were doing. Besides, they were sponsored by satan to ridicule the prophet of God.

And, yes, they paid with their paid with their lives.

Thank God for Grace today, so many including me sef, wld have gone the way of those kids.

May God forgive me for mocking and calling His servants names.

To Him, they stand or fall. I didn't call any man into ministry, to judge their modes of operations.

MuttleyLaff:
We still die the physical death because death has not been put into the Lake of Fire destroyed yet

Oh yeah. Very true.

budaatum:
That's what I too would say. The idea that God would go about killing sinners makes God sound petty and is just repugnant.

Well, to humans, it may seem petty and repugnant, but it won't be to God. The Native dwellers of these lands were wiped out by God because they were so evil: The Amorites, the Canaanites,the Jebusites,
the Girgasites, the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites Hittites, the Amalakites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Arvadites, the Zemarites, the Hamathites a lot of other tribes.

Anyone who feels it was or is repugnant for Him to kill whom he chooses, should dictate to God how to Administrate his earth. After all, He finished creating everything on earth before creating Man, so that Man won't brag and say, 'We did it together'.

MuttleyLaff:
When the electricity channelled to an iron is switched off after the iron is being hot, though there is no more electricity generating to the iron, it will still be hot due to residual heat. The heat that remains or lingers after turning off the electricity flow to the iron up to when it eventualy turns stone cold, is tantamount to physical death and the actual instance of turning off the electrictity flow to the iron, is tantamount to spiritual death

Sin leads to separation, death whether physical or spiritual is a separation and/or dividing line. There is no two ways to this rule. Ezekiel 18:20 states that: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."

I Agree.
But, why do the redeemed still die, I mean the physical bodily death?

We have received the life which we lost through Adam to death in Eden, and now have Jesus' life in us which is eternal life, why then do we still die the physical death?

MuttleyLaff:
Sin is both the physical and spiritual killer

Yes, if we must go the context you drew. But, the context with which the pages the " wages of sin is dead" was taken is Spiritual dead because wages are rewards.

Oh, Well. I give up.

budaatum:
No one is suggesting the death is physical, Shepherd, please get with the program!

The question I pose here is whether God goes about spiritually killing sinners, or whether the sin itself is the spiritual killer.

Sin is the Spiritual killer.

MuttleyLaff:
"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned."
- Romans 5:12

"So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man."
- 1 Corinthians 15:21

Everything you've so far written on this page I concur with except for this particular comment about physical death. The death that sin brought was both physical and spiritual death. It was delayed physical death and instantaneousness spiritual death. Death essentiall in both cases is a dividing line, a separation as it were to speak

Okay.

Chidorx60:
Its pretty much the same thing, anything done in GODS name by his prophet is calling for his intervention,
Except maybe u think invoking God is only calling out fiery fire balls from the heavens

What I mean is, Elisha didn't tell God specifically the manner to response to his supplication.

budaatum:
Don't advise me. It is very clear that the wages of sin is death, but God does not go about killing sinners so I don't know why anyone would be peddling some juvenile theology as if the person they talk to were two years old! If you can't communicate on adult level do let me know.

The death that sin brings about is not the physical death, it's spiritual. What the Bible calls Second death. Everyone, including Christians die the physical dead, not the Second.

SIN DOES NOT KILL PHYSICALLY, IT KILLS SPIRITUALLY.

God does not need to go about killing Sinners, for anyone who is not in Christ is dead already.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Where do you read in all there, that God sent two bears to maul them kids to death, erhn?
2/ A much better question would be, is God less, a loving God, watching as Jews and Co, planned and then eventually killed His Son in the first place?

Funny enough, Elisha didn't even invoke the power of God to destroyed the kids. He barely cursed them in the name of the Lord.

finalboss:
A better question would be why would a loving God kill children in the first place.

This is what the bible says.

(4 Kings 2:23-24)

2.So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

If I thought that story was anything more than a myth, I would be aghast. How could modern Christians believe in a God who would do this to little children?

Some people realise how embarrassing this passage is for theism and seek to mitigate the impact by saying that the victims were youths or young men, not little children — as if that should make a difference.

Although I believe this event never really happened, I do not support a religion that would delight in a story about the divine killing of little children

Support God's actions? These kids really do not have the slightest idea of who God is, really.

Listen, even if it was God who sent the beast to kill those kids, He needs no man's approval.


The reason you ask this question is not because you care for those kids, but because you see yourself in those kids who insult God and the people of God, but wants no reprisal.

You want to commit your sins and get away with them.

Sorry sir. Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished
Proverbs 11:21a

MrPresident1:
Rapture is happening before 30th September 2019

I think rapture happens every year for you.

[quote author=AbuAeesha post=81355662][/quote]Muhammad lived a noble life? Do you sincerely believe that?

Muhammad was the first man to have sex with a 9yrs child. He saw his son's wife naked, he conspired and he divorced her, while turn around and married her. What a noble man.

He was a thief, a criminal, a murderer, and lair. In one day, he beheaded 900 Jews.

The muslims all over the whole world are walking after his example. That's very noble indeed

Peacefullove:
In other words, You can't dispute that fact pointed out ?

If God manifest in flesh and Mary gives birth to THAT FLESH, Mary became the Mother of God.

Come up with something better , this run away tactic u chose is too cheap

No, it's because it will be waste of my time. enjoy

AbuAeesha:
guidance to right path

You mean Islam is the right Path? Why didn't Muhammad know to tell his daughter Fatimah whether he was going to heaven if he died?

When Muhammad witnessed an eclipse of the sun, do you know how frightened he was? He thought the world was coming to end. That is a man you believe wld lead you to the right path? A man who never knew what will happen to him when he died.

lolzzzzz.

BetaJobNG:
This position is still receiving applications

No location?

jesusjnr:
Lol!

TB Joshua is now my mentor, because I appreciate it whenever a church leader heeds the commandment of Jesus and helps the poor and distribute wealth unto them, instead of accumulating it as the Mammon-worshipping modern-day Pharisees who have turned the house of God into a den of thieves,
who instead of helping the poor as Jesus had commanded would be mocking them and boasting that they are dangerously rich.

Maybe Chibuzor Chinyere of OPM is also my mentor even though that's just about the only thing I love about him, as I did the same because of what he was doing.

https://www.nairaland.com/5142434/opm-opens-free-specialist-hospital

What TB Joshua did as Chibuzor Chinyere of OPM despite having to speak about such, is not sounding a trumpet while giving peanuts to the poor in comparison to the riches one has, just as the Pharisees used to and you are doing concerning Oyedepo's riches, but it is sacrificial giving just as the instance of Zachaeus who declared his giving of half of his possessions to the poor. For despite that he had said it in public Jesus approved of it because it was sacrificial and well intended, and also necessary for others to do likewise.

Not your fellow mammon worshipper that would be saying I'm dangerously rich with the riches that he is supposed to help the poor with.

That's characteristic of the mammon worshipping Pharisees unto whom Jesus said "woe unto you" because they devoured widows houses, but emphasized payment of tithes.

Matthew 23:14 (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Go and worship mammon no more!

It's very funny how those disobeying the instructions of The Master to give in secret without even the left hand knowing, are the ones persecuting those who obey that instruction.

Does what OPM man and TBJoshua does scriptural?

People like you are all for the praises of men but not interested in what Christ teaches.


CodeTemplar gave you a link, go in there and see what Oyedepo is doing for people. You'd never hear it mentioned on TV, but you are here singing praises of men who disobey God.

You try.

Love4God:
You point or stand as regards to this topic is not clear.
I said masturbation is not a sin ?
Viewing sextape i.e amateur pornography or professional pornography is not a sin.
If it is should we discard the sextape and charge the girl to court for murder without watching the sextape video evidence that we have ?
Lust is different from watching Amateur or professional pornography for whatever reason.
BELOW IS THE GOOGLE MEANING OF ****LUST***
****Lust is a psychological force producing intense wanting or longing for an object, or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.[1] Lust can take any form such as the lust for sexuality, love, money or power. It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food.
Religions, especially Christianity, tend to draw a distinction between passion and lust by further categorizing lust as an inappropriate desire or a desire that is inappropriately strong, whereas passion (for proper purposes) is maintained to be something God-given and moral. *****

Inappropriately strong that is something like desiring to commit fornication,homosexualism,lesbianism or rape.
Just sitting in a private place not were anybody can see you and watching a sextape (amateur or professional pornography) alone or with one's legitimate spouse is not a sin.
Rubbing one's sexual organs by one's self or legitimate sexual partner is not a sin as long as you don't do it were people can see you or you and your spouse.
If two people have sex in the open it is immoral and a sin even if it involves an husband and wife.
Having imaginations in your heart how you would be eating a sandwich that you have not bought yet in an amusement park is not a sin.
Lusting for a sandwich that you haven't bought yet to eat in an amusement park is a sin because lusting is an inappropriate desire to get something (which iIncludes having imaginations of going to steal a sandwich or going to steal money or items in order to eat a sandwich at the amusement park.

Your teaching of Scriptures will throw a baby believer completely into confusion.

Within context, Lust here is related to sex, how then wld you bring in an example of a man who imagines himself eating a sandwich in a park? Do you know the spiritual implication of Lust?

The Master says, if you lust (sexually) in your heart, you have committed the act.

You have said outrageous things in this thread that one wld begin to wonder if there wld be any rapturable soul left if everyone were to follow your teaching here.

Why trivialize the Gospel?

Don't quote me o.

Love4God:
You point or stand as regards to this topic is not clear.
I said masturbation is not a sin ?
Viewing sextape i.e amateur pornography or professional pornography is not a sin.
If it is should we discard the sextape and charge the girl to court for murder without watching the sextape video evidence that we have ?
Lust is different from watching Amateur or professional pornography for whatever reason.
BELOW IS THE GOOGLE MEANING OF ****LUST***
****Lust is a psychological force producing intense wanting or longing for an object, or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.[1] Lust can take any form such as the lust for sexuality, love, money or power. It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food.
Religions, especially Christianity, tend to draw a distinction between passion and lust by further categorizing lust as an inappropriate desire or a desire that is inappropriately strong, whereas passion (for proper purposes) is maintained to be something God-given and moral. *****

Inappropriately strong that is something like desiring to commit fornication,homosexualism,lesbianism or rape.
Just sitting in a private place not were anybody can see you and watching a sextape (amateur or professional pornography) alone or with one's legitimate spouse is not a sin.
Rubbing one's sexual organs by one's self or legitimate sexual partner is not a sin as long as you don't do it were people can see you or you and your spouse.
If two people have sex in the open it is immoral and a sin even if it involves an husband and wife.
Having imaginations in your heart how you would be eating a sandwich that you have not bought yet in an amusement park is not a sin.
Lusting for a sandwich that you haven't bought yet to eat in an amusement park is a sin because lusting is an inappropriate desire to get something (which iIncludes having imaginations of going to steal a sandwich or going to steal money or items in order to eat a sandwich at the amusement park.

All these argument to justify watching pornagraphy and going alone to brotel to preach?

Love4God:
What do you mean by "love for"?
Whether or not it might be work related or not the issue is that watching or looking at amateur or professional pornography ~~is not a sin~~.

Do you think if the COZA case had a sex tape (amateur) pornography video it would not be watched by the church bodies that would be set up to investigate the allegations levied against the COZA pastor (Biodun) ?
Do you think if i were told to smoke as a part of my duties that i would? My answer is no but merely watching a CCTV video tendered as evidence or movie of people smoking before someone died in the CCTV video footage or movie is not a sin.
It is those who imagine in their heart that they want to go and smoke or go and smoke after watching the video footage or movie that have committed sin.

Sir, did you just say a Christian watching pornagraphy whether work related or not, is not a sin?

in other words, if I download porn videos and watch them, it's not a sin of Lust and fornication in my heart?

Peacefullove:
Mary gives birth to human flesh, thus it's mother.

That place you quote says God is manifested in flesh , which means the Flesh Mary birth is God , automatically making Mary Gods mother.

You just proved catholicism right, agree ?

This is the stark Carnality that I was talking abt.

Guy you are too physical in your portrayal of the person of The Divine Human One. The Human God Jesus, so, it wld just be a waste of my precious time trying to school you.

Just enjoy.