How many times will I explain that the Yoruba names of Akoko-edo are a recent post colonial feature, they aren't traditional Akoko-edo names, it all started during the colonial era
ikakumo ibilo ugboshi ikiran ile are clear cut yorubas
Olu317: Ilajẹ cannot say such in Iléifẹ that odùduwa was a woman.
The fabrication of this anomalies was caused by Samuel Ajayi Crowther and such has been flinged away.
Kindly visit Iléifẹ to ask from Ọbáluru who is superior to Olúigbó hierarchically .And he is the overall king of Orà nfẹ descendants to tell you the real story about Olúigbó ancestors.
Infact, Obáluru represent Ọrà nfẹ dynasty which Olúigbó is a son under him. Ọrà nfẹ was worshipped or venerated few months ago and remained as the oldest deity in Yoruba land of Iléifẹ.
Adé Arẹ belonged to Odùduwa Ṣẹ̀ẹṣẹ̀'fun belong to Obátàlà
Adé Arẹ is the oldest crown in Yorubaland and worn by Olofin Odùduwa , who was a man with millions of descendants across the world.
Ado odo is not even older than Monuments found in Ekiti to even compare with Iléifẹ is funy. Fact is fact without sentiments.
Respect
Olugbo is qualified to speak on behalf of the house of OBALARA/OBALURU I.E OBALUFON AND ORANFE HOUSE
Olu317: Are you a seer to know what I studied? . Shook head on my post? Wait for it. In as much as you can't understand the richness of the oriki from critical analysis beyond the taught history at school and transferred oral account, then I shall let it lie. Little do you know oriki has deeper meaning beyond praises because there were circumstance that warrants some part in that panegyric being confrontational to opponents etc in connection to some ancestors in the ancient time. If your part has not crossed such ,endeavor to do reseserchwork on such.
Funy enough, Ooni IFE visited Éfon Alaaye, 2018, when the town launched a book about her history
You can visit this blog below to read through,the history and oriki of Éfon Alaaye. I couldn't lay my hand on I was searching out for on my archive.
Ologbo147: who are you really? Those of you whose lifestyle is like that would always think of others as doing the same thing. Who you be bros?😂 Abi your pa na transgender
this ozuo dey reaaly cry
am not the reason your GOD ( YOUR OBA IS GAY) NA WHEN UNA SEE ITSEKIRI UNA DEY FORM ACTION GET OFF MY MENTION OZUO
Ologbo147: Today you are from Okere, next day you are from Ilara qtrs, Ile-Ife
Simbrixton Dsimmer Doptical Olu Lawani Lexy2014 Etc. one can only pick one or two actual humans from these six monikers, the same low iq resonates across
Olu317: I have not seen Olufon sword. But ordinarily, oberin, Oje or Ada etc may be the one being carried by him.
The only sword that differs is Agada. Others swords can be carried by any prince, if we consider the fact a female child of Oduduwa orObaluru can be married to Ifa families (Orunmila), thus such son from the marriage may carry Ogbo, Ida or any other sword which depends on his future aspirations.
Olufon is Ora cum Obatala so, I do not know the olufon Orolu sword that he carried but I will ask elders and give you the name soon
Finally, I understand you and know how people acts with anger because I was once attacked on this platform by a distant family member of mine who once called me a son of probable Eredumi descent (my patrilineal ancestor Oranmiyan's sword bearer) until he stopped much later.
No pity from my side The insecurity is synonymous with Apc and tinubu
A friend of mine told me before the election that if tinubu should even get up to 10k votes knowing fully well that tinubu brought upon us Buhari's calamitous administration and to make it worse he was part of Buhari's administration then it means we the masses are tribalistic, fake, hypocrites and wicked
if edo doesnt vote Olumide Akpata it shows the high level of tribalism
pascal558: it never involved d ibos,but knw ur brodas!!some are already talking of joining the ijaws if it bcums a full blown war,and if u read my comment wel u wil knw that the ibos are gradually turning against fellow southerners,they started with afonjas!
Evboesi: my brother from the minute tribe, you can’t just believe nonsense, there has to be historical antecedents to it, Gelegele, Siluko, Ekehuan are Edo villages historically, My brother if you start to dae give land to anybody wey come settle for your place wey he many, my brother your land go finish o. The Benin massacre by Alex masxwell Boisragon page 72 confirm the fact that even as close as 1897, Gele Gele was still considered a Bini village, the Europeans knowing solidly the difference between Ijaws and Bini. Isiluko on the other hand can only be interpreted by the Binis, the same with Ekehuan. Even Ologbo is a Bini community and still has large number of Binis even till date. Ajamimogha is a small place and it is exclusively itsekiri, she can go
Like i said, those Binis did not take their land with them, many left the land for the Yorubas, they are free to migrate back to their place and leave our land.
There is no Urhobo community in Edo state, Ijaws on the other hand are free to leave with their communities that were not founded by the Binis.
Those eight “villages” are quarters of one community called Igbanke. Igbanke is the third largest community in that local government subordinate to Urhonigbe and Oza~Aibiokunla. Igbanke being in Edo state is Ogbemudia’s handiwork. I support their partitioning to Delta state if they wholeheartedly support it.
I also would wish for the partitioning of Oza~nogogo, Alilehan, Alisor to Edo state. They speak a dialect of Edo or the Bini language called Oza.
Evboesi: nor be me talk am o, the first one from a Bini dictionary in 1937
The second was bradbury’s work in the 50s
You can hear from Areafada’s conversation above and deep wisdom, he is certainly a man in his mid fifties and above. Determination of state and nationhood changed a lot of things. The pulling out of the Oba of Benin from the western region also led to many returns my friend from the minute tribe
I mean they are still there, but not as much as they used to be, Egharevba grew up in eastern Yoruba land.
it is interesting you say this because i fully believe Ologbo and other itsekiri communities like Ajamimogba ekenhuan to name a few should be part of delta state
Obviously the ijaw and urhobo communities can also not be discounted and obviously recently the igbos visited the 8 villages in orhionwon
As at the time, Bini city was 54,000, the other Bini speaking communities was 150,000. The population of Binis in Benin city would be around 40,000 to 45,000. Then again there were many Binis in Ondo, Akure, Owo, Okitipupa and others. They gradually returned in preceding centuries when they found out that the independent entity they once knew is no longer the case. That added to the population of the Binis we have today. My brother above is a classic example. Any material you pick up from the 1930s to 60s or there about always talk about Bini presence in Ondo province alongside
Gay Enogie ,see minute people
ok bros infact na only 1000 of us remain
Nobody lie reach una sha tomorrow una go still claim say u get descendants for japan
They greet De~lauhe not la~Uhe, Ehor on the other hand greet De~laeho, other families salute De~laiso and so on.
For the fact that for the over four centuries that the Europeans intermingled with Benin, there was no mention of Ife leaves a lot to be imagined.
Please post a link of your interview with the Olu~awure. Next time you are going there take a camera with you. Anybody can claim that, this is a faceless forum.
What is the name of the site? What is the name of the book? Not many of your Usen friends, all Usen people you will ever meet in this life identify as Bini. All Usen people are bilinguals, the community Usen is a bilingual community. Again i say Uhe is not Ife.
Many Anioma kings dress like Bini kings as are duly of influence. It happens, Anioma is a classic example.
Late pa Edebiri is not a historian, several Binis who did history openly disagree with him.
There is a more plausible explanation for Uhe from the middlebelt than it can ever be for Ife, who needs to trace the history of Ogun, Orunmila, shango etc when we share a large border with Owo, Ikale, Akure and so on. It is a more tenable fact that it came in through social relations from these Yoruba neighbors than far flung Ife.
That is a lie, Uzebu and the Ezomo family salute la~Ogiesan buttressing their Esan origin, you can find that in this video. The number six family there
i find your rebuttal funny and fundamentally laughable someone is talking about his ancestry this is even discounting the fact that he is the Esogban of benin and the Odionwere of benin land it is also laughable that you said he is not a historian As a member of the ihogbe who are the guardians of the ukhere Pa David edebiri account cannot be comparable to yours The five families of Adun edebiri osifo Obasahon Okundaye are collectively known as ihogbe and migrated from ile ife case closed
And i think you should rest on kabiyesi issue you see a whole king dressing as a yoruba man and u are debating and talking about interest
I dont need to publish what i discuss with kabiyesi that is a personal issue between me and him usen development forum based in the united states is not a hidden forum you can pick the phone and call them to express your unhappiness that their origin is ile ife after 1000 years of inter marrying with the binis i think this is a very xenophobic way to think and it reflects poorly on you as a person
On the issue of Aisien Ekhaguosa try and get a copy of his book "the benin city pilgrimage stations" THE BENIN CITY PILGRIMAGE STATIONS, by Aisien Ekhaguosa; Pages 164-65
The new Benin City Quarter sitting astride the gateway to these riverine territories could conceivably have been known as 𝑂𝑑𝑒 𝑈𝑧𝑒𝑏𝑢: “Ijebu Road”, or more simply Uzebu.
The military title of Ezomo with which Ekenika was ennobled could be regarded as one of the happy imports brought by Orhogbua from Lagoon lands. Some tenuous bit of evidence would localise this word to the Ijebu in particular. In the 1930’s Akenzua II, the Oba of Benin conferred the title of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 𝐸𝑍𝑂𝑀𝑂 on a prominent son of Uzebu Quarter of Benin City. Now, all Ijebu Ode native children in Yorubaland are known as 𝑂𝑀𝑂 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸: “Children of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸”. 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 is the ancestral deity of the Ijebu Yoruba sub-tribe. It is said that all that an Ijebu person owns, be it money, land or other property, is the property of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸, the ancestral god of the race. The Ijebu man does not possess the freedom to part with any portion of his wealth because technically the wealth is not his to dispense with as he likes. The right to part with it belongs only to 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 who owns it. This is said to be the secret of the apparently relative ease with which an Ijebu man accumulates wealth. He can accumulate, but he has no personal right to give any of it away. ( See 𝐍𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐟𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐬, S. I. Kale. Bishop of Lagos, a Biography, by Folarin Coker, page 20.)
The coincidence is perhaps more than just a happenstance, that it is in Benin City called “Uzebu” that the name of this Ijebu Ode god would feature in a title tied to the name of the traditional Head of the Quarter. It is conceivable that Ekenika came originally from the Epe/Ijebu Ode area, and that the memory of the Ijebu ancestral god still lingered in the Uzebu folk memory until recent times.
There are many “Ijebu” place-names in the country, both in Ijebu land and also in some non-Ijebu areas. Strung parallel to the Bight of Benin lagoon system are such Ijebu towns as Ijebu Ode, Ijebu-Munshin, Ijebu-Ife, Ijebu Ugbo, Ijebu Remo, Ijebu-Oru. In the non-Ijebu lands there are “UZEBU” in Benin City, Ijebu-Ijesha in Ijeshaland, and Ijebu-Owo in Owo land. The interesting about the Ijebu-Owo Quarter in Owo town is that the traditional Head of the Quarter bears the same title, 𝑂𝐽𝑂𝑀𝑂, as in Benin City Uzebu. His full title is the OJOMO-OLUDA of Ijebu-Owo. More intriguing still is the fact that the word OLUDA which features in the title of this personage is also one of the titles found in the Uzebu Quarter of Benin City (Prince Ena Eweka’s 𝐁𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐲 𝐓𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞𝐬, page 154).
Evboesi: if any body is talking, a man from a tribe that was 34,000 in 1952 should not be talking about size. Among all Edoid groups, Itsekiri would only be mate with Uneme and Okpamheri. In that very year Etsako was 88 thousand, Esan was 180,000. Even Owan was 48 thousand. Bini was 203,000 in population in that year. Isoko was 74,000.
In 1963, when the Nigeria factor came into play, itsekiri being an affiliate of a major group rose 300% on paper to 100,000 while other substantially bigger minority group with no affiliation to any major group for the 11 years did not give birth, did not impregnate their wives. Even when they get pregnant, they take them for abortion. And as such their population rose 20% others 50% greatly quickly defying the transparent census order that has been on board from 1921.
We know these things we are not dumb, the Edos are arguably the most enlightened tribe in the southern part of Nigeria. In Edo and Delta state, aside uneme and maybe Okpamheri, the Itsekiris are definitely the smallest tribe in the whole of the bendel region. The Binis were five times bigger than you guys in 1952, we are still over four times today. We are not your mate in whatever statistics. Itsekiris would just be the size of Binis from Orhiowmon home and abroad
proudly Omiwerre
Esan can make the same argument that they are far more numerous than the edos from the table you posted
When we deal with una and chase dat una gay enogie na den u go know say we no small
Ologbo147: Uhe has several interpretations, some scholars has traced this Uhe to the middle beltern part which is far more plausible for the fact that the Portuguese,the Dutch, English interacted with us for 400 years and never made mention of Ife leaves a lot to be imagined . If 50% of Binis have Yoruba Origin we would be Yoruba by now , but still even as a Yoruba man you can’t hear up to 5% of what a Bini man is saying. That tells of a lot of loopholes in the story.
The Yoruba historical attempts as it pertains to Bini history seem to be largely false and an attempt to hijack Bini history.
I will give you Utesse, Egbetta, madaboyo, they are not considered as Bini people
You see a community with the Bini prefix Iguo, which directly translates to mean village in our local parlance.
Ugu is in the eastern part of Bini, and has no business with Yoruba whatever. The person ruling them is a member of the Oba’s family. He was the first son of a king at a point in time, and was sent to the eastern region to appease him.
There is no Yoruba origin of ogbe and uzebu. Yoruba don’t even have Ogbe as a word in the first place while Ogbe is scattered in Edo linguistic frequencies from Benin to Esan.
It is not even certain that the Oba came from Ife, therefore all his families that you have mentioned is not a thing of certainty
Okada is a traditional Bini settlement and has no business with Yoruba. It’s a traditional Bini settlements and can only be interpreted by the Binis
Usens are Binis, identify as Binis and are considered as such. The Oluogbe was asked in 2010 and this was his position on the subject. The Usens got their Yoruba speaking ability from their Yoruba enabled neighbors in Ondo state. They are bilinguals and they have a family salutation recognized in line with the seventy four families in Benin
in the quote you posted nowhere did the Oluogbe say they got their language from influence
Usen history is crystal clear the land is actually ufe kekere meaning little ife the usen development forum based in chicago Illinois released a book on it recently there is a website where the usen history was documented by the people themselves so it is actually crystal clear and they greet la uhe to Affirm their ile ife ancestry not to be disputed usen are intermarried with binis and very much bilingual many of my usen brothers identify as binis like comrade shaba, kola edokpayi and so many more finally i have had a detailed 2 hour conversation with kabiyesi Oba Oluogbe the second so i think you should rest Kings dont dress according to influence how can elawure usen which is in edo state be dressing like a yoruba man out of influence
I think you are not a comedian so stop acting funny
UHE the geographical location of uhe as been subject to a lot of disinformation by bini nationalists recently and everyone knows why uhe comes up a lot in bini history and it is important to distort the location or even disinform people so uhe can be anywhere but yorubaland but the binis of old obviously did not have the mindset you guys have now so there was no need for constant lies or disinformation
Late Pa David Edebiri the Esogban of benin in an interview of about 10 years ago said his ancestors came from uhe which is ile ife (he said this loud and clear in benin) you cannot on the 1 hand claim uhe is igala when you want to distort the ife- bini relationship and claim uhe is ife when you want to trace the origin of your gods like ogun orunmila eshango and so on all this things dont exist in igala land ok
Finally late Aisien Ekhaguosa of blessed memory in his book talked about the ijebu origin of the ezomo family
The ijebus have a greeting known as omo alare and this greeting is autochonous to the ezomo family and those in uzebu quarters
Thanks my brother. My grouse is that we in Benin are not doing enough to bring Eastern Yoruba people of Benin descent closer.
Those over there who are aware of their Benin descent are very warm towards Edo people. In my case, my family still has houses and a street name with many relatives there. In the royal descendants' quarter no less. A bit like Ogbe in Benin. But even more specific. The family summoned immediately an oba of Owo joins the ancestors and take care of his funeral as a family affair.
But I wonder how many people today in Edo and Ondo not lucky enough to know that family connection on either side.
A time will come that if we in Benin don't reenforce the Edo connections over there, subsequent generations will take on only Oduduwa narrative to make their life easier in line with SW mainstream political position.
For example, how can a first class monarch who told me when alive that he was of Edo origin join his ancestors and Edo was not visibly represented at his obsequies? I have a copy of all letters of condolence (all were compiled) that other prominent monarchs/traditional rulers sent and none from Benin. We need to build bridges. A young energetic man called Imasuen is really trying in that regard though.
Oba of Ogba, King of Brass, Ekpeye, Yenagoa, Degema and many Ikwerre monarchs are bona fide Edo people. Even the Igede people in Benue are bona fide Edo, via Edo North.
You are correct. The monarchs and senior chiefs were planted Edo people to rule new territories. But those kings and elite could marry many wives and sire many children quickly. So over time, 30% or more of the people could easily be their descendants.
over 50 percent of binis are actually of yoruba origin my grouse is more should be done to bring this people closer home
The people of usen for example are undeniably yoruba ufe kekere which was founded b4 the coming of Oranmiyan is a point of dispersal to many other villages in ovia south west and ovia north east like Iguogho the ancestral home of asoro Utese Ugu who have an Oba called Oba n'ugu Egbetta which was settled by 600 warriors Okada also called oke ada Madabayo Ulorin and many more
Within benin itself those of pure ife ancestry greet La uhe one of them obviously is the family of the late esogban of benin edebiri The Adun family which is very famous in benin Osifo family okundaye Obasahon families these families are collectively known as igiogbe
The importance of the ogbe and uzebu quarters in benin cannot be overemphasized as well as the yoruba origin of this places
The ihogbe (official family of the oba) are for example from the ogbe quarter which is obviously headed by the isekhure the first son of the ihama
Not to forget oloton and chief edigin of use and obviously the bamawos( bamiwo family)
So...all that happened during the campaign was entertainment? Yes his state of health has clearly improved - and his supporters should be thankful - and leave it at that. It makes no sense to float the deception that a man who was clearly quite ill, was just putting on a circus show. For who? To what end?
He is an old man - and there are typically serious health issues that come with age - for the majority of adult males. He is not an exception. He was never an eloquent or cerebral man in his youth and his cognitive decline with advancing age has been quite pronounced.
The hubris of you and other BAT supporters is something else.
Culture / Re: Akoko-edo Are NOT YORUBA by Simbrixton(m): 11:24pm On Apr 05
. Shook head on my post? 
