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Evboesi:
how do you mean?

As at the time, Bini city was 54,000, the other Bini speaking communities was 150,000. The population of Binis in Benin city would be around 40,000 to 45,000. Then again there were many Binis in Ondo, Akure, Owo, Okitipupa and others. They gradually returned in preceding centuries when they found out that the independent entity they once knew is no longer the case. That added to the population of the Binis we have today. My brother above is a classic example. Any material you pick up from the 1930s to 60s or there about always talk about Bini presence in Ondo province alongside


Gay Enogie ,see minute people

ok bros infact na only 1000 of us remain

Nobody lie reach una sha tomorrow una go still claim say u get descendants for japan

Ologbo147:
that is my thought on the whole issue


They greet De~lauhe not la~Uhe, Ehor on the other hand greet De~laeho, other families salute De~laiso and so on.

For the fact that for the over four centuries that the Europeans intermingled with Benin, there was no mention of Ife leaves a lot to be imagined.


Please post a link of your interview with the Olu~awure. Next time you are going there take a camera with you. Anybody can claim that, this is a faceless forum.


What is the name of the site? What is the name of the book? Not many of your Usen friends, all Usen people you will ever meet in this life identify as Bini. All Usen people are bilinguals, the community Usen is a bilingual community. Again i say Uhe is not Ife.


Many Anioma kings dress like Bini kings as are duly of influence. It happens, Anioma is a classic example.


Late pa Edebiri is not a historian, several Binis who did history openly disagree with him.


There is a more plausible explanation for Uhe from the middlebelt than it can ever be for Ife, who needs to trace the history of Ogun, Orunmila, shango etc when we share a large border with Owo, Ikale, Akure and so on. It is a more tenable fact that it came in through social relations from these Yoruba neighbors than far flung Ife.


That is a lie, Uzebu and the Ezomo family salute la~Ogiesan buttressing their Esan origin, you can find that in this video. The number six family there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCaxmPdxQU?si=xcDO0rIRCJPaukIJ

i find your rebuttal funny and fundamentally laughable someone is talking about his ancestry this is even discounting the fact that he is the Esogban of benin and the Odionwere of benin land it is also laughable that you said he is not a historian
As a member of the ihogbe who are the guardians of the ukhere Pa David edebiri account cannot be comparable to yours
The five families of Adun edebiri osifo Obasahon Okundaye are collectively known as ihogbe and migrated from ile ife case closed

And i think you should rest on kabiyesi issue you see a whole king dressing as a yoruba man and u are debating and talking about interest

I dont need to publish what i discuss with kabiyesi that is a personal issue between me and him usen development forum based in the united states is not a hidden forum you can pick the phone and call them to express your unhappiness that their origin is ile ife after 1000 years of inter marrying with the binis i think this is a very xenophobic way to think and it reflects poorly on you as a person

On the issue of Aisien Ekhaguosa try and get a copy of his book "the benin city pilgrimage stations"
THE BENIN CITY PILGRIMAGE STATIONS, by Aisien Ekhaguosa; Pages 164-65

The new Benin City Quarter sitting astride the gateway to these riverine territories could conceivably have been known as 𝑂𝑑𝑒 𝑈𝑧𝑒𝑏𝑢: “Ijebu Road”, or more simply Uzebu.

The military title of Ezomo with which Ekenika was ennobled could be regarded as one of the happy imports brought by Orhogbua from Lagoon lands. Some tenuous bit of evidence would localise this word to the Ijebu in particular. In the 1930’s Akenzua II, the Oba of Benin conferred the title of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 𝐸𝑍𝑂𝑀𝑂 on a prominent son of Uzebu Quarter of Benin City. Now, all Ijebu Ode native children in Yorubaland are known as 𝑂𝑀𝑂 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸: “Children of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸”. 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 is the ancestral deity of the Ijebu Yoruba sub-tribe. It is said that all that an Ijebu person owns, be it money, land or other property, is the property of 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸, the ancestral god of the race. The Ijebu man does not possess the freedom to part with any portion of his wealth because technically the wealth is not his to dispense with as he likes. The right to part with it belongs only to 𝐴𝐿𝐴𝑅𝐸 who owns it. This is said to be the secret of the apparently relative ease with which an Ijebu man accumulates wealth. He can accumulate, but he has no personal right to give any of it away. ( See 𝐍𝐢𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐟𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐬, S. I. Kale. Bishop of Lagos, a Biography, by Folarin Coker, page 20.)

The coincidence is perhaps more than just a happenstance, that it is in Benin City called “Uzebu” that the name of this Ijebu Ode god would feature in a title tied to the name of the traditional Head of the Quarter. It is conceivable that Ekenika came originally from the Epe/Ijebu Ode area, and that the memory of the Ijebu ancestral god still lingered in the Uzebu folk memory until recent times.

There are many “Ijebu” place-names in the country, both in Ijebu land and also in some non-Ijebu areas. Strung parallel to the Bight of Benin lagoon system are such Ijebu towns as Ijebu Ode, Ijebu-Munshin, Ijebu-Ife, Ijebu Ugbo, Ijebu Remo, Ijebu-Oru. In the non-Ijebu lands there are “UZEBU” in Benin City, Ijebu-Ijesha in Ijeshaland, and Ijebu-Owo in Owo land. The interesting about the Ijebu-Owo Quarter in Owo town is that the traditional Head of the Quarter bears the same title, 𝑂𝐽𝑂𝑀𝑂, as in Benin City Uzebu. His full title is the OJOMO-OLUDA of Ijebu-Owo. More intriguing still is the fact that the word OLUDA which features in the title of this personage is also one of the titles found in the Uzebu Quarter of Benin City (Prince Ena Eweka’s 𝐁𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐲 𝐓𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞𝐬, page 154).

*photo of Ezomo of Uzebu-Benin

Evboesi:
if any body is talking, a man from a tribe that was 34,000 in 1952 should not be talking about size. Among all Edoid groups, Itsekiri would only be mate with Uneme and Okpamheri. In that very year Etsako was 88 thousand, Esan was 180,000. Even Owan was 48 thousand. Bini was 203,000 in population in that year. Isoko was 74,000.

In 1963, when the Nigeria factor came into play, itsekiri being an affiliate of a major group rose 300% on paper to 100,000 while other substantially bigger minority group with no affiliation to any major group for the 11 years did not give birth, did not impregnate their wives. Even when they get pregnant, they take them for abortion. And as such their population rose 20% others 50% greatly quickly defying the transparent census order that has been on board from 1921.

We know these things we are not dumb, the Edos are arguably the most enlightened tribe in the southern part of Nigeria. In Edo and Delta state, aside uneme and maybe Okpamheri, the Itsekiris are definitely the smallest tribe in the whole of the bendel region. The Binis were five times bigger than you guys in 1952, we are still over four times today. We are not your mate in whatever statistics. Itsekiris would just be the size of Binis from Orhiowmon home and abroad

proudly Omiwerre

Esan can make the same argument that they are far more numerous than the edos from the table you posted

When we deal with una and chase dat una gay enogie na den u go know say we no small

Ologbo147:
Uhe has several interpretations, some scholars has traced this Uhe to the middle beltern part which is far more plausible for the fact that the Portuguese,the Dutch, English interacted with us for 400 years and never made mention of Ife leaves a lot to be imagined . If 50% of Binis have Yoruba Origin we would be Yoruba by now , but still even as a Yoruba man you can’t hear up to 5% of what a Bini man is saying. That tells of a lot of loopholes in the story.


The Yoruba historical attempts as it pertains to Bini history seem to be largely false and an attempt to hijack Bini history.

I will give you Utesse, Egbetta, madaboyo, they are not considered as Bini people

You see a community with the Bini prefix Iguo, which directly translates to mean village in our local parlance.


Ugu is in the eastern part of Bini, and has no business with Yoruba whatever. The person ruling them is a member of the Oba’s family. He was the first son of a king at a point in time, and was sent to the eastern region to appease him.


There is no Yoruba origin of ogbe and uzebu. Yoruba don’t even have Ogbe as a word in the first place while Ogbe is scattered in Edo linguistic frequencies from Benin to Esan.

It is not even certain that the Oba came from Ife, therefore all his families that you have mentioned is not a thing of certainty

Okada is a traditional Bini settlement and has no business with Yoruba. It’s a traditional Bini settlements and can only be interpreted by the Binis

Usens are Binis, identify as Binis and are considered as such. The Oluogbe was asked in 2010 and this was his position on the subject. The Usens got their Yoruba speaking ability from their Yoruba enabled neighbors in Ondo state. They are bilinguals and they have a family salutation recognized in line with the seventy four families in Benin

in the quote you posted nowhere did the Oluogbe say they got their language from influence

Usen history is crystal clear the land is actually ufe kekere meaning little ife the usen development forum based in chicago Illinois released a book on it recently there is a website where the usen history was documented by the people themselves so it is actually crystal clear and they greet la uhe to Affirm their ile ife ancestry not to be disputed usen are intermarried with binis and very much bilingual many of my usen brothers identify as binis like comrade shaba, kola edokpayi and so many more finally i have had a detailed 2 hour conversation with kabiyesi Oba Oluogbe the second so i think you should rest
Kings dont dress according to influence how can elawure usen which is in edo state be dressing like a yoruba man out of influence

I think you are not a comedian so stop acting funny

UHE
the geographical location of uhe as been subject to a lot of disinformation by bini nationalists recently and everyone knows why uhe comes up a lot in bini history and it is important to distort the location or even disinform people so uhe can be anywhere but yorubaland but the binis of old obviously did not have the mindset you guys have now so there was no need for constant lies or disinformation

Late Pa David Edebiri the Esogban of benin in an interview of about 10 years ago said his ancestors came from uhe which is ile ife (he said this loud and clear in benin) you cannot on the 1 hand claim uhe is igala when you want to distort the ife- bini relationship and claim uhe is ife when you want to trace the origin of your gods like ogun orunmila eshango and so on all this things dont exist in igala land ok

Finally late Aisien Ekhaguosa of blessed memory in his book talked about the ijebu origin of the ezomo family

The ijebus have a greeting known as omo alare and this greeting is autochonous to the ezomo family and those in uzebu quarters

Ibalekute:
No Olowo of Owo is a Son to Oba of Benin. If you insist then name the Oba of Owo that is Oba of Benin 's Son.

the Ologho did an interview to correct that yeye narrative

Nothing wey dese 2 local government tribe no go talk

AreaFada2:
Thanks my brother. My grouse is that we in Benin are not doing enough to bring Eastern Yoruba people of Benin descent closer.

Those over there who are aware of their Benin descent are very warm towards Edo people. In my case, my family still has houses and a street name with many relatives there. In the royal descendants' quarter no less. A bit like Ogbe in Benin. But even more specific. The family summoned immediately an oba of Owo joins the ancestors and take care of his funeral as a family affair.

But I wonder how many people today in Edo and Ondo not lucky enough to know that family connection on either side.

A time will come that if we in Benin don't reenforce the Edo connections over there, subsequent generations will take on only Oduduwa narrative to make their life easier in line with SW mainstream political position.

For example, how can a first class monarch who told me when alive that he was of Edo origin join his ancestors and Edo was not visibly represented at his obsequies? I have a copy of all letters of condolence (all were compiled) that other prominent monarchs/traditional rulers sent and none from Benin. We need to build bridges. A young energetic man called Imasuen is really trying in that regard though.

Oba of Ogba, King of Brass, Ekpeye, Yenagoa, Degema and many Ikwerre monarchs are bona fide Edo people. Even the Igede people in Benue are bona fide Edo, via Edo North.

You are correct. The monarchs and senior chiefs were planted Edo people to rule new territories. But those kings and elite could marry many wives and sire many children quickly. So over time, 30% or more of the people could easily be their descendants.

over 50 percent of binis are actually of yoruba origin my grouse is more should be done to bring this people closer home

The people of usen for example are undeniably yoruba ufe kekere which was founded b4 the coming of Oranmiyan is a point of dispersal to many other villages in ovia south west and ovia north east like
Iguogho the ancestral home of asoro
Utese
Ugu who have an Oba called Oba n'ugu
Egbetta which was settled by 600 warriors
Okada also called oke ada
Madabayo
Ulorin and many more

Within benin itself those of pure ife ancestry greet La uhe one of them obviously is the family of the late esogban of benin edebiri
The Adun family which is very famous in benin
Osifo family okundaye Obasahon families these families are collectively known as igiogbe

The importance of the ogbe and uzebu quarters in benin cannot be overemphasized as well as the yoruba origin of this places

The ihogbe (official family of the oba) are for example from the ogbe quarter which is obviously headed by the isekhure the first son of the ihama

Not to forget oloton and chief edigin of use and obviously the bamawos( bamiwo family)

kk2027:
Could that be why dollar is about ti hit 5k

I think Nigeria should eschew pride and beg Igbos to rescue the country

has igbo rescued their own region ?

BaddestQueen:
watch international news headlines in days coming
the goal is to destroy Tinubu.
he can keep the seat he stole.
no credibility again.

like ipob and army is destroying igboland

Negative energy dey really kill una

KOMBE:
My biggest fear is that the woman, the real Bola Tinubu may have been killed to hide the identity theft.

where was her picture b4 she was killed ?

christejames:
Tinubu and his cohorts have taken Nigeria for granted...

we agree so where is dese woman that has the real results where is her picture ?

Fujiyama:
^^^


Comedy-alize?

So...all that happened during the campaign was entertainment? Yes his state of health has clearly improved - and his supporters should be thankful - and leave it at that. It makes no sense to float the deception that a man who was clearly quite ill, was just putting on a circus show. For who? To what end?

He is an old man - and there are typically serious health issues that come with age - for the majority of adult males. He is not an exception. He was never an eloquent or cerebral man in his youth and his cognitive decline with advancing age has been quite pronounced.

The hubris of you and other BAT supporters is something else.

i sell Rat poison bro

richie240:
Understand sarcasm bro.
Ur blood too hot sef.

Since they've chosen stupidity over anything else, let's beat the drum for them to dance to their idiocy.

my bad bro

I got u

richie240:
Hehehehe....una go 'demand' taya.
It's already confirmed over-confirmed that the average obidient is a sub-homo sapiens species that lack sense....thanks to the internet.

Una go get sense by faya by fuss







So, someone cannot become transgender in peace again now abi?

Baba did gender renewal surgery and we Patriotic nigerians are cool with it.

according to ur intelligence level

Raskimonojendor:
Nothing burger; hence, they haven't shown us the so called documents. Atiku don waste millions of dollars on something he could have downloaded on Scribd for free.

Modified:
The documents have now been confirmed. They are the same documents we have already seen on public domain for a month now. It is now confirmed that Atiku wasted money. He should have listened to Reno Omokri.

why i no read law sef 😂😂

Taylor92:
How is he ode?


Are you saying Tinubu can’t do that?


You know how many times I don escape from security officials because of my comments on Nairaland

I dey PH make una come Trans Amadi come catch me if we no go run gun play

Na when una go know say Vikings no be child’s play

i bet u Tinubu doesnt even know Hundeyin's name

InvertedHammer:
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Nigerians do not protest against anything bad governance. They are leeches waiting to migrate to countries where the citizens have fixed their countries.

/

south african?

SmartPolician:
Ghana is like a state in Nigeria. The population is too small for Nigeria to notice that they're protesting.

Nigeria has 220 million people we cannot manage. If we are protesting, the whole world would know.

there is no way we are 200 million talkless of 220 million our estimates are definitely wrong

Taylor92:
Tinubu is a sellout

Fulanis killed your people in Yoruba land and all you cared was where are the Fulani cows seized

A Guinean that slipped his way to yoruba land sold all their human rights for over 20yrs just to attain presidency

Reach the presidency go plunge everything back to 1926

To show you how bad Nigeria is just bring slave ship from Europe or America you’ll see bankers and lawyers leave their profession to join slave ship

fulani also killed igbos


Yet Obi wants to be PRESIDENT

legitnow1:
In your tribalistic mind, those corner shops are the gunmen.

The drinks are the evidence. Lethal weapons!

Africans can never reason like human beings because of tribalism.

The military men were killed without discrimination or tribalism.

This is not about tribe. Daft!

where did i mention tribe ?


Mods do your job o


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Supremos:
It's Shameful that security agencies who were supposed to protect the people from supposedly gunmen, are now burning the properties of the people.

why are nigerians creating gunmen against nigerians in the first place the civilians obviously support d gunmen

airstrikes is needed there

TUTU147:
The real terrorist are in the north displaying dangerous weapons,we need to apply the same major we apply when it comes to issues in the east with the north.We can't be giving criminals in the north pardon while we kill and jail the ones in the east.

Na east terrorism dey and we go deal with ESN DECISIVELY

mrvitalis:
Who takes this one seriously again?

My happiness is everything yorubas spread propaganda that igbos would do is what they are doing presently... And the whole world is seeing it and keeping records

omo see hot tears

U never explain reach o

AskNgige2:
Pls check the meaning of Efulefu

check d meaning of Ozuor

one4GOD:
the caller probably thought he was talking to a nigerian journalist whom they have cajoled and threatened on every sides but he ddnt realise he was talking to a free minded, enlightened and unbiased journalist who speaks the truth irrespective of. APC has dug the grave of this country but I believe they are the ones to be buried in it in no distance time. Am sure he regretted ever calling in, George's response put him where he belongs

he actually did not regret another platform as offered me an opportunity to speak to them

And trust me to touch on all the controversies around hundeyin

Image123:
We'll give this video also to help Peter Obi's case in the supreme court. Clowns.

exactly because George Galloway a white man said it so it is true


Na how d fools dey reason o

saintrow1:
Yoruba ppl must start gearing up for another civil war. We must defend ourselves from any form of threats from all angles. What happened in Rwanda 1994 is likely to repeat itself in Nigeria. The Igbos who are bitter about the election want to destroy the country by all means because a Yoruba man won the election. Yoruba Ronu

God bless Yorubas
God bless Yorubaland
God bless Tinubu

my take too

AskNgige2:
I watched and I was like some men get mind for truth o..

That yeruba Efulefu ddnt know what to say again..

Anyone supporting Tinibu evil will die for nothing with time...

ode he was cut off from the phone

Do you even know how production works ?

matotoide:
Nna ehn! Na Nigerian president pesin dey rubbish like this? So shameful!
Some people no matter where they find themselves unfortunately cannot escape the fangs of foolish tribal and religious sentiments.
In the small mind of that caller, all the Muslims voted for Tinubu? Who then voted for Atiku who got a chunk of the legit and organic votes? Imagine the clown saying Yoruba's are being attacked on the basis of their identity, please where did that happen? As far as i know the reverse is the case as evidenced during the presidential elections.
I just tire for this country, what a dimwit!

oladeji abioye was attacked based on his identity

[quote author=Mrchippychappy post=125745355]See annihilation. This white man carry smoke come lol[/quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynsr1BuYwRE

[quote author=Peterpaul96 post=125743755]George Galloway Former Member of Parliament of the United Kingdom carpets a Pres. Tinubu fan who called into his show to warn him against talking about Tinubu.

Gbas Gbos on an International Level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUP1HmsYhk?si=JdglQOREegaxKCvf[/quotehttps://www.nairaland.com/7811297/abioye-oladeji-ipob-terrorists-kidnap