MelesZenawi: I repeat and that is the reality of majority.... ndigbo
Thus..
Simbrixton and deadly truth, I am happy with what I see here and not interested in anything u write about Igbo...we no send. Our main happiness is that two brothers are discussing well , stating their problems and how to resolve it.....Kudos kudos kudos.. Atleast bare your minds and unify further for future purposes...happy at what I am seeing and we thus endorsed..... Two people bound historically can't be fighting unnecessarily... Goodluck...Goodluck..... happy now.
MelesZenawi: Simbrixton and deadly truth, I am happy with what I see here and not interested in anything u write about Igbo...we no send.
Our main happiness is that two brothers are discussing well , stating their problems and how to resolve it.....Kudos kudos kudos..
Atleast bare your minds and unify further for future purposes...happy at what I am seeing and we this endorsed..... Two people bound historically can't be fighting unnecessarily...
Goodluck...Goodluck..... happy now.
u no send and kanu has included edo to his map and after that lagos we no be mumu
Deadlytruth: Per the first bolded, I disagree. The situation is actually the other way round. Older generation Yorubas always, by their words and actions, refrained from anything suggestive of superimposition of Yoruba identity on Edos. I have given you examples like how Awolowo clearly separated all parts of the present Edo State from Yoruba nation in his ethnographic survey report. Does Awolowo belong to this present younger generation? I have also cited how the Awujale of those days would as chief whip of the Western Legislature House leave out all future Midwestern area monarchs in his floor opening salutations and then declare that he had finished saluting all the Yoruba monarchs as far as he was concerned. Is that Awujale part of the present generation? But on the contrary, it was the present Awujale that came out few years ago to stir the hornet's nest that Oba of Benin is next to him in Yoruba hierarchy all in a bid to sound politically correct. Then the older generation are not the Yoruba monikers who stay all day on NL provoking Edos with tales of how Binis migrated from Ife. Even you were tagging Akoko-Edo a Yoruba founded enclave until I had to do justice to that falsehood. I guess you are of the older generation? The YOLICOM agitators who produce the Oduduwa map in which all parts of Edo up to Urhobo and Isoko lands were included, I guess they are also of the older generation?
Per the second bolded, Edoids generally didn't harbor any resentment for Yorubas until some Yorubas began to drag them into Oduduwa maps. Whenever you do such, what it portends to especially the Bini man is a subtle envy inspired attempt to obliterate the rich history of the Benin Empire and its allure.
u were d one dat refernced kobokobo politics which i had no idea of before, to d crux of d matter only akoko edo is in all d yooba maps i have seen not all of warri is in d yoruba maps i believe its just d itshekiri region
yorubas are comfortable with the greatness and history of bini empire, many yorubas want a monoethnic nation even without itshekiri some extremists even want ilorin cut off sometimes sm opinion is not general opinion bros its been great having dese chat
i am actually getting fatigued with our chat and want it to end on a good note, i take it that edos are looking at a possible niger delta alliance with urhobo, ijaws and itshekiris the only issue with a nation state like dat is ijaws and itshekiri have beef already and bini and itshekiri have a current beef dese days at ologbo and gelegele in edo state that doesnt look like its going to get resolved soon
Deadlytruth: For you to allege that lands are being sold to Igbos in Edo State is an evidence that you know virtually nothing about the tradition and culture of Edos who you claim to so desperately seek alliance with. Lands are hardly sold to non-natives in Edo State unlike in Yoruba land where the extent to which you have sold your lands to Igbos has over the years emboldened them to keep labelling Lagos a no man's land. Ordinary Igbo participation in the politics of Edo State is not allowed by the natives let alone selling of lands permanently to them like you do in Lagos State. We all know how Jimi Agbaje, in his rabid quest to connect himself to Igbo sympathy votes to become governor of Lagos, threw caution to the wind and promised to elevate Igbo Ezes in Lagos to the same status as Yoruba Baales, and despite that he still got some Yorubas standing behind him. What greater evidence can there be that Yorubas have been courting Igbo friendship the most? No matter the desperation level, no governorship candidate of any party in Edo State (not even Igbos's APGA) can utter such a promise to elevate Igbo Ezes in the state to the same status as the even the least chief. That candidate dey crase? Abi dem swear for am? In fact such a candidate will be banished from the entire state. On your oral gesture of preference for an Edo person to hold power in Lagos or anywhere in Yorubaland, may I inform you that we are not interested in intruding into the governance of other people or states. We have our troubles to face in Edo State and which we have not finished solving. We are not like those folks from across the Niger who claim they want to develop other people's territories while their own homeland lay in ruins and reeks of underdevelopment. I can bet you that if not for the introduction of unitary system by these same greedy and self seeking folks, hardly would any Edo person have been migrating to Lagos or anywhere in Yorubaland and in the entire Nigeria to seek greener pastures. The ingredient that made the political alliance days of Enahoro, Odia Ofeimun, Alfred Rewane, etc cordial and which is now absent was the fact that Awolowo, as your leader back then and in his spirit as a true Federalist, made sure that no Yoruba attempted to superimpose their identity on the tribes of these persons... not even the Alfred Rewane's Itsekiri tribe which was even yoruboid. You would recall that Odia Ofeimun went all out fuming against Awujale for the latter's recent outburst by which he sought to subsume Edo under Yorubas. If The same Ofeimun (whom you listed among the men whose days with you were memorably cordial) could take exception to Awujale and turn rabid in it, then do you need any more evidence that the bigotry and resentment of today is founded on this new attitude of trying to superimpose Yorubaism on Edos?
i do agree that older generation yorubas wanted to impose yoruba identity on edo, the newer generation however dont have the interest now my position of this topic is simple before imasuen izoduwa i have never seen an edo person refer to a yoruba as Yoruba or oda derogatory language so in a way the roles have reversed since the 1964s which you described i cant answer for the yoruba elites and yoruba liberals i can only reiterate a good number of yorubas are totally against the actions of sowore fayose ffk and agbaje but it is very complex and oodua republic is d logical solution to cut off igbo and fulani influence but fulani are d bigger evil at least in my eyes
Deadlytruth: What you need to understand is that this is Nairaland which is a faceless forum where anyone can claim any identity and origin to create false impressions about sympathy for any movement. No genuine Edo person romances Kanu in his madness. How you know this is that no prominent or obscure Edo person is known in real life to have ever sympathized with Kanu or write and publish articles in the dailies appologising to Igbos purportedly on behalf of Nigeria the way Fayose, Sowore and one popular but controversial Yoruba columnists whose name has escaped me now does. If you look out for genuine Edo monickers like myself, Mullatto claro, and others, you would notice that the Igbo monickers on NL hate us far more than they hate even you Yorubas.
murphy ogiso and uwa sofia are diaspora edo people on youtube
Deadlytruth: See inverted accusation. Which person in Edo has ever asked for Biafra membership? Edos detest that fraudulent hoax proposed nation and would not even touch it with a 100m long pole. If anything, it is Igbos that have been trying to forcefully include Edo in Biafra and Edos' rejection of the proposal made Igbos develop the Sour grape syndrome for Edo. A photographic evidence of Igbos literal begging of Edos to join them in Biafra is attached below together with the Biafra website where you have that information.
If your Biafra agitation isn't about crude oil quest, how come the territory of Itsekiris in Delta State is included in Kanu's Biafra maps despite Itsekiris are manifestly Yorubas and don't deny their Oduduwa roots?
Deadlytruth: Now, you are talking. If you had been slogging it out with Igbos like you have just done above, no tribe, not even Igbos themselves, would have been labelling you cowards. However you need to remember that Kanu, in all his madness and annexation of lands in the name of Biafra agitation, enjoys the backing of some prominent Yorubas, like Fayose, Sowore, whom Afenifere has to call to order.
kanu is on a losing mission but let us not twist the facts dere is an idiot murphy ogiso and uwa sofia who started romancing kanu they are both edo indigenes the last 3 nnamdi kanu broadcast he has alluded to edo been biafran territory even lagos that has 4 million igbos has not been described as biafran territory you guys need to face dem too and face the rats u have within by the way in all of these imasuen izoduwa is only interested in bigotry against the yorubas so u see why i am angry with edo people its like u people dont face ur real problems
Abalado: Oyinbo na mumu I swear... No wonder yahoo boys they finish them,, waiting he see for this one,, Nigerian dog self no fit marry this one for nijja,, spit
if edo people want progress make dem demolish d oba throne, dat throne no get value since oba become patron of aiye, which society for south be like dat na only bini
Franklinn1: Edo is not Part of Biafra, Oduduwa tried to annex Edo and Ijaw.. Nobody wants to be part of a cowardly skull mining people.. Awolowo and his generation shall never know peace
mazi nnamdi kanu said biafra touches 13 states we listen everyday
Deadlytruth: The bigotry you allege in the first bolded is only a reprisal to the discrimination, derogation, bigotry and oppression which all midwestern minorities suffered in the old Western Region that made them pull out of it. Before being labelled Kobokobo in the Old Western Region, there is no record of any Edo person provoking Yorubas with any derogatory utterance or bigoted action.
The second bolded is an insult which I am warning you about for the second time. Igbos are equally as treated with disdain as Yorubas in Benin because of the attempts by both of them to drag some Edo tribes into their Oduduwa and Biafra. We can't seek friendship with Igbos who are responsible for the structural alteration that caused all the problems in Nigeria today as revealed by history. If anything, only you Yorubas have some soft spot for Igbos as it is only in Yorubaland that Igbos are voted to represent constituencies in both state and federal elections. As I speak, there is an Igbo man voted into Lagos State House of Assembly representing Oshodi-Isolo constituency. Another three are in the Federal House of Reps on behalf of a constituency in Lagos. In fact it is on record that those parliamenterians who jumped on a table and broke the mace all to frustrate the motion to impeach Akintola back then in the Western Region were Igbos voted into the Western Region Legislature by Yorubas themselves. So if anything, it is you Yorubas that have always sought friendship with Igbos and sacrificed your own interests in pursuit of that. Azikiwe's aspiration to become the first premier of the West had a lot of Yorubas in support of it despite the fact that Igbos had never made a reciprocal gesture to you Yorubas. As we speak, a lot of Yorubas are in the forefront of 2023 Igbo presidency agitation. Fayose visited Kanu in prison even when his own brother governors of the SE abandoned him. I can go on and on. So if you want to know which tribe has sought friendship with Igbos most, then look at the mirror.
On your being labelled as cowards by Igbos, it is due to the alleged betrayal of them by Awolowo. And this has nothing to do with Edos as Awolowo wasn't an Edo man. Beyond this, the coward label Igbos hang on you yorubas has continued to stick because rather than debunk the Awolowo betrayal allegation with available superior contrary facts as to what really transpired between him and Ojukwu, you waste your time chasing after theories of some phantom founding of Edo towns by Yorubas. In your attempt to be nice to Igbos in pursuit of this fake Southern unity which Awolowo sought in vain and which the present generation of Yorubas also erroneously believe in, you leave unchallenged all the revisionist tales Igbos throw around against you Yorubas. So how won't other tribes take it that you are really the cowards they call you when they don't see any counter argument from you setting the records straight on the alleged Awolowo betrayal? Just visit NL threads about the War and you could even see some Yoruba monickers admitting that Awolowo betrayed Ojukwu and even also admitting that Awolowo betrayed Zik for allegedly usurping Zik's premiership victory with a tribal clarion call all in Yorubas belief in this rather fake Southern unity. So whose fault is is that you people continue to be viewed as cowards? Be honest!.
The third bolded is by your admittance, an evidence that even your claims about Bini history are full of fallacies. Per your last bolded, Edos are rational people who give back to you only what you give to them. If it appears they are acting like Igbos towards you, then check yourself. You must have provoked them to it. Thank God you used the expression "starting to act" ... meaning that they weren't doing so before now. Why not ask yourself why now?
another good example of people dat naturalised in other regions AY makun and yomi casual are both originally ondo state but delta state is dere home and urhobo is dere language IBB(what if i told u IBB is yoruba and it is a fact even d sarakis infact kwara state is a big example of ethnic flexibility
[quote author=MelesZenawi post=92511575]13 utopian tower of babel....say something else.
you talked about alliance with edos......we fully support edos/yoruba alliancce till tomorrow until it ends in oduduwa republic...
and this has been our stand.....we can't come and be claiming what belongs to oduduwa..
do whatever u guys want to ally on and leave all these igbo this and igbo that alone.....stop calling igbos up and down.[/quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYbcqHCKp0
Deadlytruth: The bigotry you allege in the first bolded is only a reprisal to the discrimination, derogation, bigotry and oppression which all midwestern minorities suffered in the old Western Region that made them pull out of it. Before being labelled Kobokobo in the Old Western Region, there is no record of any Edo person provoking Yorubas with any derogatory utterance or bigoted action.
The second bolded is an insult which I am warning you about for the second time. Igbos are equally as treated with disdain as Yorubas in Benin because of the attempts by both of them to drag some Edo tribes into their Oduduwa and Biafra. We can't seek friendship with Igbos who are responsible for the structural alteration that caused all the problems in Nigeria today as revealed by history. If anything, only you Yorubas have some soft spot for Igbos as it is only in Yorubaland that Igbos are voted to represent constituencies in both state and federal elections. As I speak, there is an Igbo man voted into Lagos State House of Assembly representing Oshodi-Isolo constituency. Another three are in the Federal House of Reps on behalf of a constituency in Lagos. In fact it is on record that those parliamenterians who jumped on a table and broke the mace all to frustrate the motion to impeach Akintola back then in the Western Region were Igbos voted into the Western Region Legislature by Yorubas themselves. So if anything, it is you Yorubas that have always sought friendship with Igbos and sacrificed your own interests in pursuit of that. Azikiwe's aspiration to become the first premier of the West had a lot of Yorubas in support of it despite the fact that Igbos had never made a reciprocal gesture to you Yorubas. As we speak, a lot of Yorubas are in the forefront of 2023 Igbo presidency agitation. Fayose visited Kanu in prison even when his own brother governors of the SE abandoned him. I can go on and on. So if you want to know which tribe has sought friendship with Igbos most, then look at the mirror.
On your being labelled as cowards by Igbos, it is due to the alleged betrayal of them by Awolowo. And this has nothing to do with Edos as Awolowo wasn't an Edo man. Beyond this, the coward label Igbos hang on you yorubas has continued to stick because rather than debunk the Awolowo betrayal allegation with available superior contrary facts as to what really transpired between him and Ojukwu, you waste your time chasing after theories of some phantom founding of Edo towns by Yorubas. In your attempt to be nice to Igbos in pursuit of this fake Southern unity which Awolowo sought in vain and which the present generation of Yorubas also erroneously believe in, you leave unchallenged all the revisionist tales Igbos throw around against you Yorubas. So how won't other tribes take it that you are really the cowards they call you when they don't see any counter argument from you setting the records straight on the alleged Awolowo betrayal? Just visit NL threads about the War and you could even see some Yoruba monickers admitting that Awolowo betrayed Ojukwu and even also admitting that Awolowo betrayed Zik for allegedly usurping Zik's premiership victory with a tribal clarion call all in Yorubas belief in this rather fake Southern unity. So whose fault is is that you people continue to be viewed as cowards? Be honest!.
The third bolded is by your admittance, an evidence that even your claims about Bini history are full of fallacies. Per your last bolded, Edos are rational people who give back to you only what you give to them. If it appears they are acting like Igbos towards you, then check yourself. You must have provoked them to it. Thank God you used the expression "starting to act" ... meaning that they weren't doing so before now. Why not ask yourself why now?
if igbos have a strong voice then its because of the edos,urhobos,ijaws,ikwerre even itshekiri and the liberal yorubas who are becoming a minority by the day
igbo is a governor in delta state even if urhobos are the majority in edo state u pipo are selling ur lands everyday to igbos in rivers ikwerre has not given ijaw people a chance to rule so in all honesty with regards dese southern unity i think u people should check yourselves more especially urhobo people because we warned them
i prefer an edo man holding political office in lagos than an igbo, but we yorubas have tried to build an alliance with u guys guess what we are met with disrespect bigotry and hatred each time the glory days of pa rewane anthony enahoro odigie ofeimum has all gone has d yoruba man finds himself encircled dese days so bro what i can say is we are all in d igbo problem together
btw in dese crazy social media days we have idiots like murphy face and uwa sofia and so many edo children rubbishing the throne of edo we yorubas are d ones fighting dem so my brother i really dont know what d issue is with u and edo people political outlook for today i am sure we yorubas would be fine in d end
Deadlytruth: You are only trying to shy away from the crux of this matter which is simply that the political encounters between Bini ancient Kings and their Ife colleagues doesn't pass for Binis having Yoruba ancestry or vice versa. How the childlessness of the last Ogiso impart Ogiso lineage with Yoruba ancestry and also makes Binis and Yorubas ancestral brothers is what you have not been able to to clearly and logically explain. You are the one guilty of tribalistic ego.
yorubas and not only binis but the rest of southern nigeria are ancestral brpthers due to naturalisation, intermarriage, in some ethnic groups like itshekiri and bini spirituality, we must learn to forge alliances in africa
now u are wrong when u say yorubas are trying to annex edo that is not true infact if there is any group trying to do that its the igbos through three enyioba(enemy of oba) some tout named murphy face, uwa sofia and one guy named armstrong
yoruba(conservative) currently is only interested in fast tracking amotekun outfit into a strong fighting force and d rest of southern nigeria to get off our back
but yes i do think southern nigeria is very much related
btw asides professor sophie oluwole and toyin aimakhu a lot of yoruba and edo people naturalised between one another, this is just d truth i dont know why u take it really personal yoruba street in benin city has been dere even before nigeria was formed, the itshekiris in ologbo in edo state have been dere for a long time over 400 years infactmy close friend(an itshekiri guy told me about the issue first hand report) my only hope is we sort our issues amicably
Deadlytruth: You are rather the one being political in your views, if not, how can you yourself agree that someone of a non-Yoruba origin went to a Yoruba community and naturalized there, and then you argue that such naturalization translates to him having Yoruba ancestry? Do you read what you write at all? Are you sure you know the dictionary meaning of the word "naturalization"? The only actually Yoruba people ever to exist in Akoko-Edo are the Imeris who actually speak a dialect of Yorubas Language and don't understand any of the native Akoko-Edo Languages of Igarra, Okpameri, Uneme, Okpe, Sasaro, Ikakumo, etc. For feeling odd and strange among other Akoko-Edo tribes with whom they were together in Bendel State, they had been agitating to join their kit and kin in Ondo State and the 1991 states creation by IBB came as an opportunity to them to realize this agelong wish which they really cashed on and got carved into Ondo State where they now belong. If Akoko-Edos are Yorubas, then why were Imeri people having a feeling of oddity among them? Please answer this question and don't dodge it.
Then above all, it is only online that Yorubas peddle this attache theory on Edos whereas physically on-ground they call Edos omo-Igbo because to the average Yoruba person, if you are neither Hausafulanis nor Yoruba, then you are automatically Igbo. When they see an Urhobo, Ijaw, Bini, Isoko, Esan, Akoko-Edo, Etsako, Ibibio, Efik; etc they label them omo-Igbo. The wife of my former boss, an Ijebu woman, once told me to my face that all my explanations about the difference of Edo/Delta from Igbo does not make sense to any truly Yoruba person because they see all of us as Igbos since we don't speak Yoruba.
we call u people omo igbo because of the bigotry you espouse towards yoruba as a young opc member in bini city i know how edo security people treat us i know what cultists say about us from eiye to aiye to whatever but edo and yorubas have a relationship in real life i wont reveal other things so as not to spoil ur dream of aligning with ur igbo friends we are d only ethnic group constantly labelled as cowards a slur that started with igbos but something all southerners incorporated including edo, when i said people naturalised in d old days between both ethnic group it is a statement of fact, even if ekalerdhan is a bini man what does that mean to us as yorubas today? fine u have managed to convince me on akoko edo even itshekiri does not have to be in oodua republic actually but d bigotry i see on imasuen izoduwa wall coupled with the fact that we actually do liase one on one on issues of security opc and itshekiri militias shows we must maintain the peace btw what if i told u aare gani adams and ayiri emani(itshekiri chief) are best of friends the rest of yoruba may not ally outside social media it doesnt mean dere is no alliance in true life itshekiri and edo people are not igbos but edo people are starting to act like igbos and am keen to see how izoduwa imasuen story would end
Politics › Re: Edo 2020: Yekini Idiaye, 16 Other Lawmakers Back Ize-Iyamu by Simbrixton(m): 4:18am On Aug 08, 2020
