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Igboid:
sinteiking:



The people speak Igbo as mother tongue. You must think they are dunce if there are not some of them who identify as Igbo.

How can you prove the people speaks Igbo as a mother language when you have not been there to get a first hand knowledge, I have been to Opobo and Bonny and I can confidently say they speak Ibani Ijaw as a mother tongue and broken Igbo as a borrowed language



The locals don't identify as Ijoid.
They identify as Bonny and Opobo,while being members of IYC and INC like the rest of non Ijoid groups in SS riverine terrain. There is a political and ethnic Ijaw in the SS . Ask around if you don't know the difference.






Yes there's a historical distortion and have proven it here. Let me list it for you.

✓Alagoa fraudulent reduced Igbo presence in Bonny to Slaves

✓Early European records proved this to be false as Slaves can't be kings in Bonny, but we know that Early Bonny kings identified themselves to be of Igbo descent

✓Bonny and Opobo people have been repeatedly told that their Igbo language came from Igbo slaves and that keeping it makes them descendants of Igbo Slaves, that the only way they be Indigenes of Bonnyland is if they throw away their Igbo language

✓ To this end, there have been aggressive campaign anchored by the fraudulent historian himself Alagoa since 1990s to make Opobo and Bonny people drop their Igbo language and culture for Kalabari language they dubiously termed "Ibani" language.

These are not claims, these are all verified facts!

What you represent as a fact is not the universal acceptable fact concerning this matter.





Every clan in the Igbo ethnic group speak an Igboid language that is mutually intelligble to each other.
In Ijaw, Epie-Attisa, Udekeme Engenni speak an Edoid language that is closely related to Isoko language.


The Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma people) all speak an Ibibiod language.

None of these languages are in any way related to Ijaw language.
If that's not a franchise, I don't know what else it is. How can people who speak unrelated full fledged languages, with each language having it's own sub dialects be a member of same ethnicity? Does it make sense to you?



These people never identified themselves as Ijaws before the war.
We can't decide for them who they want to be, but we want them to make that decision with all the available facts and information being made available to them, so that they can make an INFORMED decision.
Because right now, every Opobo and Bonny person that have been embracing Ijaw language that I met, were doing so believing that his ancestors were Ijaws and that they switched to Igbo Language because of Igbo Slaves.
That's the narrative Alagoa and the British post civil war propaganda sold.




There is a distortion, and the aim here is to make it a general knowledge that Alagoa and Ijaw nationalists from Bayelsa distorted Bonny and Opobo history.
Atleast you now know that such distortion exists, likewise anyone else that would stumble into this thread in the future.
We used this thread for brainstorming.
We will soon spread the message using all available social media platforms.
Until it reaches all and sundry.
Our aim is basically to stimulate a discussion on the the topic, to force the topic into limelight.

Me and you can't be here on nairaland identifying local folks of Igboid Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, or Ijoid Bonny, Opobo, Okirika or kalabari.



Trust me, the people don't know anything.
None of them have read any of the historical materials on Bonny and Opobo that we shared here.
All they always had was Alagoa fraudulent distortions being repackaged and shoved down their throats yearly by IYC and INC.

All this things you are saying don't make sense to me if you have not been on ground and see for yourself what ethnicity the local folks identify themselves with.

I will take you serious when you go this places and formally investigate.

The locals associating with Ijoid association as already rubbish your claim of them not identifying with Ijaw, as one can't join an association without first identifying with such association.
Can someone join Ohaneze or other sub Igbo association without identifying as Igbo first?

All your assertion and theory are just academic excercise if you don't back it up with a field trip to determine the realities on ground

izac82:
Agreed, but this is no made up story. However, whether you believe it or not, that's not the point, your land grabbing sponsored movement has to stop, else you guys could end up triggering an unending conflict in the Niger Delta.

Is it possible to land grab people's ethnicity?

izac82:
You guys should chill. Your land grabbing antics is getting out of hand. You claim even down to Ndoki in Abia state, is that not madness? A people that don't speak same language nor possess same culture with you.
Bonny is contestable, because of Finima and the rest, but you see Opobo, those are pure Igbos. Besides, I met a Bonny girl this morning, who said bluntly she is not Ijaw but Egbani. What do you say about that?

Anybody can just wake up and claim they met an unverified anonymous person who said they are from Bonny and Opobo and they are not Ijaws

Your so called Bonny gal might just be another unverified anonymous person that may be real or not real.

The bone of contention here is if the majority of people from Opobo and Bonny identify themselves as Ijaw or not.

To get a answer, is to meet directly with the local folks on ground and not just testimonies from some random unverified individuals

JANK23H:
This has been said over and over again my brother.I just tire.

Go there and see for yourselves!

They'll attack you,just watch.

Most of them arguing blindly have not even been to Opobo or Bonny to get first hand knowledge of this two places.

They sit in the comfort of their home and assume that a set of people are Igboid whereas they have not even ventured to meet this people for real.

I can't seat in my home and assume the igboness of Anambra state or the Ijawness of Opobo, if I have doubt about their ethnicity, i venture out to this places and carry our a first hand investigation

Igboid:
Opobo and Bonny associate with Ijaw because Ijaw as we know it today is a political franchise, anyone in the riverine terrain can join.
Even Edoid speakers like Epie/Atissa, Engenni, Udekeme, etc all identify as Ijaws today even though they continue to speak their native Edoid language.
They understand Ijaw to be a political franchise.

The Ibibiod groups who are recently trying to f which includes the Abua, Odual, Ogbia, etc also speak their Ibibiod language at home.
They all understand that Ijaw is a political franchise for easy access of oil contract deals and other lucrative dealings with oil companies and the FG.

But in case of Opobo and Bonny, because they are Igboid, Ijaws are not comfortable with just the political franchise tag, they want a cultural suicide.
They want Bonny and Opobo language replaced outrightly.
To this aim, historical distortions have been made by Alagoa and perpetuated for decades unchallenged so much that they have started taking the form of the truth.
The Bonny and Opobo people are being Hoodwinked into believing that their Igbo language was an alien language, while Kalabari language was their old language.

Our point is that if Bonny and Opobo people are going to Change their Igbo language to Kalabari language, let them atleast do so knowing the truth that their ancestors always spoke Igbo and were Igbos.
Let them know that their Igbo language didn't come to them through Igbo slaves but through their Kings and their first ancestors.

Let their decision to throw away their Igbo language be that of an INFORMED decision, and not a manipulated one that it currently is.

This thread is not about making Bonny and Opobo people accept Igbo.
It's about correcting historical distortions that demonized the Igbo language in Bonny and Opobo,by presenting it as a language of slaves, when all historical facts shows that the early founders of Bonny and Opobo not only were Igbo speakers, but identified themselves as a people of Igbo descent.

This is the meat of this thread.

I hope you understand better now!

I don't think it will be wise to assume Opobians and Bonny people are Igboid when the local folks identify themselves as Ijoid.

You see the Ijaws as a political franchise but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and this people don't see Ijaw as a political franchise rather they believe that they are a part and parcel of Ijaw.

You claim that there is historical distortion and there is a conspiracy to wipe out the Igbo language from there but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and non of this your claim holds water as the people themselves has never believed they were Igbos.

If you say Ijaw is a political franchise, can we also say Igbos are political franchise too?

I have been to Aba, Onitsha, Enugu, Awka, Owerri and Orlu, the local folks identify themselves as Igbos and nobody else can identify their ethnicity with any other groups as far as the local folks in this Igbo towns have identified themselves as Igbo.

Now if people of Bonny and Opobo has identified themselves as Ijaw, who is me and you to identify them as something else?

Besides, if you feel there is a distortion of historical facts, the people you ought to be convincing is not us here on nairaland but the local folks in Opobo and Bonny.

Me and you can't be here on nairaland identifying local folks of Igboid Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, or Ijoid Bonny, Opobo, Okirika or kalabari.

These people already knows who they are irrespective of our opinion, our opinion is inconsequential as long as these people has already identify themselves.

Have you even been to Opobo and Bonny?

I have been following this thread and I have learned quite a lot from both sides but what I can say is that I have visited both Opobo and Bonny and the local folks there believes they are Ijaws by ethnicity.

Opobians believes they are of the Ijaw ethnic descent Even as much as there is a dual language in use in Opobo.

Opobians speaks both their mother tongue(Ibani Ijaw) and broken Igbo or pidgin Igbo.

Opobian culture is similar to other Eastern Ijaws such as the Kalahari's, Okirika, Bonny and Nembe sub groups.

To end this debate, it is necessary to identify what ethnic groups the local folks identify themselves with.

The Opobian king has already identified him and his Subjects as Ijaw people, the local folks identify themselves as Ijaw people and they associate themselves with Ijaw social cultural groups.

If Opobians and Bonny people has identified themselves as Ijaw, I see no reason why most persons will come online and try to attach them to any other groups.

Bonny and Opobians was not force to associate themselves with Ijaw social cultural groups, they associate themselves with Ijaw social cultural groups because they feel they are connected and are part of the larger Ijaw ethnic group

Now, if Bonny and Opobians believe or feel they are Igbos, they would have identified themselves with the larger Igbo ethnic group or associate themselves with Igbo social cultural groups.

I think all this debate on Bonny and Opobo would best be solved of the debaters can venture into this places and interview the locals on ground and see things for themselves.

The best people who can identify the real ethnicity of Bonny and Opobo people are the local folks of Opobo and Bonny.

9Pluto:
Exactly, those are the salient facts we need to point out. They are claiming Niger Delta now to confuse more gullible people.

We need to bring out and promote Boro's original map.

You need to see this

https://www./byfnig/permalink/4890521714293203/

https://www./1653702151529177/permalink/3270555226510520/

FreeStuffsNG:
It's game over. The author of falsehood will either produce the evidence of the dead or be prosecuted for lying on oath.

Buhari handlers is smarter than you.
Buhari handlers knows that the latest probe report will eventually be accepted as the said discrepancy can not override the bone of contention that it has been established that unharmed protesters were actually shot and killed.

In order to distance themselves from their mistakes, they are using tactics to avoid being entangled or roped further

[quote author=helinues post=107747818]Buhari should have just ignored cos the report na charade[/quote

Buhari comments shows he is finding a way to avoid being trapped further in this whole saga. He knows eventually, whether there are discrepancy or not, the bone of contention that people were actually shot and killed by security personnels would be established.

Him trying to wait for the entire panels set up by all states to be concluded is a tactic to avoid a situation where the presidency has admit it's flaws in handling the lekki event.

But he can't remain mute forever

vedaxcool:
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BH is growing leaps and bounds in your backyard?

Keep playing the ostrich while BH and Bandits talibanize parts of the north.

While you bury your head in the sand, BH and Bandits are giving some sections of the north Taliban treatment.

The north is in a process of being afghanistanized and Somalized.

Sooner than later, direct comparison will be made between northern Nigeria and Afghanistan or Somalia if situations on ground does not improve.

I sincerely wish we don't get to that level

greatiyk4u:
I can see that the No picture gang when a report of Soldiers striking terrorists are here happily believing this one to massage their disappointed ego.


I repeat, if killing in Nigeria is as high as reported over 10years now, some LGA are supposed to have gone into extinction

With all the reported killings and hunger, we are still over populated leading to our poor GDP/capita.

Are LGAs in troubled areas of the north not going into extinction already?
Bandits seizing and overlording territories is worst than extinction.
People captured in those seized territories has now become slaves in their own backyard.

What could be worse than this?

AntiWailer:
Job well done.

Anybody wey no believe they killed them should join the next meeting.

If u read from same medium that terrorists killed 5000 soldiers, u don't attempt a body count. U celebrate and criticise. So much for leaders of 2moro.

The Nigerian military are to blame for this mistrust towards them.
For the record, bodies of suspected UGM from the east are always displayed by the military after an alleged confrontation but bodies of so called ISWAPs or Bandits are rarely displayed.
This gives credence to the allegations that Nigerian military is only active when it deals with the east but plays to the gallery when it has to do with northern militants

Godispeace:
i can now see u are daft educated illiterate ediot , all these vices mentioned are exactly what is happening in ur cursed impoverished igboland with failed leadership

Ritual Killings ---pronounced in Igboland using their mother , children , friends and strangers for money rituals

Cultism-- More pronounced in SE Universities and neighborhood (IMSU, DELSU, Warri, Ihiala (Okija Shrine ) ,Anambra etc )

Secessionist agitation--pronounced in igboland with almost all d population sympathizing with terrorist IPOB/MASSOB/ESN. displaying hate and insulting other regions and Nigeria as a whole

Corruptions---only the igbos populate support and sympathize with their corrupt leaders, thieves, visionless & failed leaders who fail to develop una igoland or una people, worshipping money over value and morals . internet /wire fraud is dominated by the igbos

substances abuse and social vice ---Fake drugs , illegal/hard drugs smuggling , trading and trafficking are done majorly by the Igbos as evidenced by the high number of igbos often caught in drugs trafficking abroad/ fake drug merchant in the country are the igbos

Kidnapping is strange and not in yoruba land except the few done by the igbos who came to yoruba land with the criminal orientation ---e.g EVANS the kidnapper , Victus Obi etc

so ediot , get educated and face the wrath of God ravaging una igbo land for the blood of innocents una don use for money rituals and juju for drugs trafficking

Keep deceiving yourself

u are the one that is daft educated illiterate ediot and a bigot who see things from a tribal angle
all these vices mentioned is not perculiar to just the east or south but it is happening in West too. The entire country is imporverished

Ritual Killings ---pronounced not only in Igboland, ritual killings are also reported in the south and west of the country.
Recently, Majority of ritual killings have been reported to have taken place in the West

Cultism-- Cultism is pronounced in all major Universities and neighborhood. Not just in the East or West but also in the south and middle belt



Secessionist agitation-- not pronounced alone in igboland, self determination has also been pursued in the Niger Delta region (agitators for Niger Delta republic) and the West ( agitators for Odua republic). In the north, the bandits are not just agitating for territories, they have already taken territories by force, in a population certain sections of that population sympatizes with an ideology or movement, beit IPOB/MASSOB/ESN, MEND, OPC/ODUA, Arewa e.t.c.
Hate is carried out by Bigots in every region and that may include you as you have continued to display bigotry in this forum


Corruptions--- we have people from every region that supports and sympathize with their corrupt leaders, thieves, visionless & failed leaders who fail to develop their land e.g Tinubu worshippers, Atiku worshippers, Peter Obi worshippers, Wike worshippers, APC praise singers, PDP praise singers.

Internet /wire fraud is committed by all regions that includes the west, east, north, south, middle belt e.t.c

substances abuse and social vice ---Fake drugs , illegal/hard drugs smuggling , trading and trafficking are done by all regions from North to south, from east to west

Kidnapping is not strange in yoruba land or the entire country. It is only being taken to new heights by the bandits

so ediot , get educated and stop bigotry

Godispeace:
Be specific what is the issue in the yorubas backyard ?

Ritual Killings, cultism, thuggery, seccessionist agitations, corruption, periodic herdsmen/ farmers crisis, kidnappings, substance abuse and other social vices

omenkaLives:
You know what, I agree to all you have said. But you also know what, IPOB ARE MAD PEOPLE.

Direct your frustrations to Mkpurumiri Chidoka.

I am not frustrated, the frustrated one is you.

I can understand your obsession with Igbo matters has led to frustration.

You live your life for IPOB and Igbo matters.

Don't frustrate too much.

Life is too short���

Godispeace:
shut uppppp shameless ediot . u chest beating igbos are the most foolish tribe. fools is there any sit at home or u die order in kano, kaduna, ,sokoto , etc or even in Lagos, Oyo, Osun ,OGun,Ondo , Ekiti ?? u ediots cause problems for yourselves and then ran down to Yoruba land/North for refuge. oloshi jati jati

For your information, I am not Igbo, I am a Niger Deltan and I am not tribalistic to the point that a particular tribe keeps giving me nightmare just as Igbo and IPOB matters gives most of you nightmare.

Unlike you folks that ignore the issues in your backyard and concentrating on some other regions issues, I rather confront my backyard issues first.

The Niger Delta itself has so many issues that has to be dealt with, from insecurity caused by sea pirates, cultism, drug abuse, ritual killings, corruption, thuggery e.t.c

There is currently no region in Nigeria that is not affected by insecurity caused by bad leadership from the Federal level down to state and local levels.

Seccessionist movements, banditry, terrorism and other social vices in Nigeria are mostly caused by extreme poverty created from poor governance

omenkaLives:
Nonsense post. Sit at home must continue until Mazi Kanu is released.

Why are you afonjas wailing more than the bereaved?

Let's all keep playing the ostrich while the talibanizing of territories up north by bandits cum terrorist is in process.

Let's keep focusing on IPOB while bandits cum terrorist is about to give the whole country Afghanistan treatment.


Let IPOB news continue to excite us all until the whole country is Somalized by bandits.

Misplaced priorities every where

helinues:
They are simply unstable

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I am not a fan of IPOB because of its dictatorial tendencies but concentrating on IPOB and keeping quiet when the real threats which are Bandits/terrorist that carries out terrorism with impunity is a misplacement of priorities.

IPOB and other seccessionist group has only indicated interest to pursue self determination and have not actually succeeded.
The bandits/terrorist has not indicated interest in self determination but they have actually succeeded in determining territories for themselves.

My question why concentrate on seccessionist group who have only indicated interest while the real seccessionist up north have already began the process of self determination?

ArewaNorth:
This people are the most mentally inferior and coward terror group I have ever seen. Just because Amnesty International recently spoke about their atrocities in the South-East they suddenly started panicking and distancing themselves from the crimes they ordered!

You have misplaced priorities.

Bandits cum terrorist is seizing territories and installing their rulers all over Arewa and here you are masturbating on IPOB thread.

Your greatest threat is not IPOB but the terrorist disguised as bandits..

omenkaLives:
Yen yen yen.

IPOB are mad people- Osita Chidoka (2021).

You went quiet for some time and only resurface when there was an election in a South Eastern State

Your obsession with Igbos is legendary �, you literally can't live your life without them.

You should be thankful to the Igbos because they are the reason you breathe.

Without Igbos, you will have nothing to talk back.

Without Igbos, you are nothing.

Igbos are your gods and hence you can't stop talking about them or worshipping them.

The fear of Igbos is the beginning of wisdom for Omenka

omenkaLives:
Even with ipob support and Obi Pandora's influence, pdp couldnt come close.

Maguire is more useful to ManUtd than pdp is to Ndi Anambra.

PDP isn't the incumbent Party neither was it the favorite party to win the election, so why worry over the fortunes of PDP in this election when your party (APC) is also performing poorly?

Let PDP supporters and stakeholders worry about their performance while APC worry about theirs.

APGA have shown it is the dominant party in Anambra while PDP and APC continues to struggle to catch-up

seunmsg:
APGA don massacre PDP. That shitty party is done for good even in the south east.

Don't be sentimental bro.
Not just PDP but APC as well.
Both parties has been thrashed so far.

This election clearly shows neither APC nor PDP is doing well at the moment at Anambra State

benuejosh:
When I said state of Emergency was loading some children on this platform thought I knew nothing.

You know nothing, has state of emergency been declared in northern states that are far worst than Anambra State?

[quote author=NGpatriot post=105309333]You said you have More tanks in the North but yet bandits and killer herdsmen operates with impunity.
Dont you think that the North will be safer if same amount of energy that is being spent on fighting ESN or IPOB is used to clamp down on Bandits?

Monogamy:
Ain't emotional about news or issues reason why I have always been standing gidigba on this forum.

So the SW leaders should have allowed Igboho to interfere in the security challenges, and then create further chaos and confusion and eventually tear race when the issue is out of hand just like the way he Japa to Benin?

So SW political leaders should have allowed Igboho to burn the whole region down just because of some few criminal elements from North

Anyways, he would be extradited to Nigeria , Lock up in the dungeon to teach him some bitter lesson.

If the Oduduwa republic is not something that can be achieved before 2023,Why is Igboho trying to scuttle the SW chances in the presidency abi some of you people never reason it that way?

You want Ighogho to be extradited to Nigeria for the supposed charges levelled against him but here you are still defending Kyari when there is sufficient evidence linking him with fraudulent characters.

I shame for your hypocrisy.

Your double standard na first class

Monogamy:
Hahahahaha

Is indictment now a conviction?

Has Kyari been convicted?

neither has Kanu nor Ighogho been convicted but yet you masturbate on top of their matters as if they are Nigeria's worst nighmare.

Just has indicted Abba Kyari is an hero to you, so also Ighogho and Kanu are considered heroes by others.

For the record, I see no difference between a violent agitator and a fraudulent police cop, they are all agents of destabilization.

Don't you agree?

Monogamy:
My brother, you see for this life heh, it's good to sabi better and correct people..

Kyari sabi better people for Nigeria so all this going to jail, resign na ranting

So Kyari should be let off the hook because he knows influencial people?

It is a shame you are not even worried about his role in collaborating and associating with a known suspected fraudster.

Now I know all your noise about Ighogho and Kanu is not because you want stability in this country but you just don't like their person.

You supporting an indicted cop shows you are a lover of criminality.

Monogamy:
He should go and claim his name bawo, I thought Fbi, Interpol, KGB are coming to arrest Kyari in Nigeria.

Na to wait for that to happen oo abi what do you think?

With this statement of yours, you have lost every moral ground to criticize Ighogho and Kanu because you are double standard

To you, Kyari can't do bad because you are a fan of his but to you, Kanu and Ighogho are criminals because you ain't a fan of them.

Monogamy:
You can never bring Kyari down

Make una Mount untop each other, una never reach..

Life of chronic wailers

You are always quick to castigate Ighogho and Kanu as criminals but here you are defending criminality because you are a fan of the suspect.

This your hypocrisy nor get mate o�

seunmsg:
All terrorists, bandits, criminal herdsmen, violent agitators and those supporting the destruction of Nigeria shall all be defeated. Nigeria shall overcome all her obstacles.

The greatest obstacle in Nigeria is the Presidency and other top political players across party lines that has failed to understand that illiteracy, corruption, ethnic bigotry and impoverishment is the major cause of banditry, terrorism, violent agitations and herdsmen attack.

Even when the Federal govt attempts to fight corruption and insecurity, it always do so in a bias manner that makes one to feel the Federal Govt is double standard.

Imagine the energy he puts into ending seccessionist movements but appears to be docile when it comes to banditry and herdsmen attack.

I believe if the presidency has taught or deal with bandits and criminal herdsmen in the same language as he dealt with seccessionist movements, the country wouldn't be where it is today

osazsky:
give me the name of one bandits and I will give u all the names of ipob members and leaders...if we know them we go after them just like shakau.. u dont know them cuz they are killed in engagement kanu should have been killed too

Below is a link to a report of a Bandit Boasting about his exploits in front of Nigerian security apparatus and govt officials
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/zamfara-bandit-boasts-about-exploits-in-trending-video/%3famp.

While the Nigerian Government charge at separatist groups threatening to deal with them in language they will understand, bandits goes about their business almost unhindered while the govt watches them like lame dogs.

It seems the Federal govt is incapacitated when it comes to dealing with bandits in the language they understand �.

Kanu is in Jail but the havoc caused by rampaging herdsmen and bandit is still on�.
Even our gallant Soldiers isn't spared as they are being kidnapped too by bandits.

And yet you still think Kanu and IPOB is our top insecurity priority ��.

Don't deceive yourself �

osazsky:
let's reduce terrorism gradually at least we have kanu..that's a plus and he is a leader of a terrorist group.. when we killed shakau it was a plus to us..so I dont see y the death of kanu shouldn't be a plus too..since his arrest no more killing of soldiers beheading of native doctors etc so swear that u are not enjoying the calmness in the yeast since his arrest gradually we will get there.imagine a life without kanu and chidima..we will be like London once these 2 animals are killed we will now have the option of having God fearing side chic

U still haven't answered me.

Both Kanu and Chidimi is incarcerated but yet Nigeria is not yet an eldorado as you claim.

Arrest of Kanu or Ighogho has not reduced the almost daily occurrence of kidnapping and killing in the north or south by bandits, this shows that Kanu or Ighogho was never the real threat, the real threat are the bandits.

If the Federal Govt have poured same amount of energy on bandit just as it did to IPOB or Odua separatist, Nigeria wouldn't have been on the list of the most terrorised countries on Earth.

Banditry continues to be our greatest nightmare but folks like you and the Federal Govt keeps pretending to be ignorant of this fact.

Keep chasing Kanu and Ighogho while banditry continues to hold away .

The joke is on you and the Federal Govt