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DeepSight:How does the court declaring Edison the speaker mean the same thing as declaring the 27 seats vacant? It was not even a judgement but an exparte order that Edison got. I know you don't know the difference but I'll try to break it down. The exparte order has a maximum lifespan of 14 days. That is why the other party didn't worry to appeal the order because it will soon expire. The issue of declaration of seats vacant was not part of the exparte order. It is a very bad habit to be arguing blindly on an issue that you obviously know nothing about. |
Kukutente23:Someone is teaching you what you don't know and you say he is talking crap. People like you hardly learn. The fact that you don't even know that Senator Ubah has officially defected on the floor of the senate shows that you know nothing. A little Google search could have cleared some of your ignorance. The Senate President has already read the letter from Senator Ubah in plenary. That is the only recognised means of defection in law. He has not yet lost his seat. There are dozens of other examples. Senator Enyinnaya Abaribe, who was the Minority Leader in the last senate, defected from PDP to APGA. He didn't lose his seat. The word "shall" does not mean automatic. The process will still be followed. There has been hundreds of defections by legislators in the past. Can you give me one example of any of them that lost his seat automatically. Just one. The law intends that they vacate their seats immediately, no doubts, but still confers the enforcement of the law on the speaker. In almost all cases, the speaker will refuse to enforce the law and that is why the aggrieved party, the former political parry, end up going to court. In more mature fora, I have advocated for the law to be amended to remove the enforcement from the speaker. Imagine a situation where it is the speaker that defected. Who will declare his seat vacant? You will go to court and the case will bo on till the tenure expires. I have advocated that the right of enforcement of this law should be on the political party that sponsored the defector. It should be the party that should write to INEC that their member who won election had defected. Then INEC would declare the seat vacant and call for a fresh election within a stipulated time. With this, we can achieve some level of sanity. There are other aspects of this law that I have advocated to be amended and I have sent my memorandum to the National Assembly like the loophole created by exemptions, the categories of elected officials covered by the law, etc. But I guess, this is not the forum to discuss such things. |
DeepSight:Which court declared which seats vacant? Why can't you just stop commenting on an issue you obviously know nothing about? The matter is not even in court yet. |
wirinet:See how ignorant you are, yet you don't want to cool down and learn. Senator Ifeanyi Ubah was elected under YPP, not Labour Party. He has already written a letter to the Senate President which was read in plenary. Take note of the process. He wrote a letter to the Senate President and the Senate President read the letter in plenary. I hope you understand what plenary means sha. The Senate President has not yet declared his seat vacant. Now, if YPP feel aggrieved, they will approach the high court to state that there is no division in their party to warrant the defection. Normally, the case will get up to the Supreme Court and YPP will most likely win. That is how it works. No legislator loses his seat AUTOMATICALLY whether the case is controversial or not. |
wirinet:The law is not about emotions. The only evidence known to the law that a legislator has defected is the letter written by that legislator to the speaker. Irrespective of any other thing, the only document a speaker can use to declare a seat vacant is the letter of defection written by that member to the speaker. It's just like when you have been declared the winner of an election into a Constituency, you can not be sworn in until you present the certificate of return. Even though the whole world knows that you have been declared winner, you can not be sworn in by the clerk unless you present your certificate of return. Likewise, even though the whole world knows that you have defected, the speaker can not act until he receives a letter from you that you have defected. I don't know how this is difficult to understand. |
Kukutente23:Your problem is lack of comprehension or maybe education. I repeat, for those legislators to lose their seats, the process of declaration of vacancy as enshrined in the construction will have to be followed. They have not lost their seats yet merely because they have defected. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Ubah should have lost his seat too. I am sorry I can not break it down any further fir you. I have tried. |
Kukutente23:You are even reinforcing what I said. The Supreme Court declared the seats vacant after the speaker refused. Which means it is not AUTOMATIC. There is a process which takes time. Do you know how long it will take for the matter to go from the High Court to the Supreme Court? Most times, the tenure is even expired before the Supreme Court declares the seat vacant. Get this into your head, I have not said that they shouldn't vacate their seats but it is not AUTOMATIC as some lawyers are deceiving ignorant people like you. |
No doubt, Father Alia helped APC win with his popularity but APC helped him win too with their structure. That is why he chose to go APC instead of any of the small parties where he could have been totally in charge. It was a marriage of convenience and it is not surprising that it didn't last. |
obi58:If only you can reason properly, you would have understood that I didn't mean to question the defections. By our laws, it is not automatic that any lawmaker who defects loses his seat. If it was automatic, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. Or are you pretending that you are not aware that he recently defected from YPP to APC? Yes, they have defected but the declaration of vacancy of their seats have a process. It is not automatic, I repeat in case you are deaf. Singing of songs, waving of flags, granting press interviews, etc are not official evidences of defection. Please learn that today. The only official evidence that a member has defected is the letter written by that member to the speaker. That is the law. Now, the speaker that declared their seats vacant, did he receive any letter from those members that they have defected? I have broken it down for you to understand. I hope it is down enough to your level. |
Kukutente23:If only you can reason properly, you would have understood that I didn't mean to question the defections. By our laws, it is not automatic that any lawmaker who defects loses his seat. If it was automatic, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. Or are you pretending that you are not aware that he recently defected from YPP to APC? Yes, they have defected but the declaration of vacancy of their seats have a process. It is not automatic, I repeat in case you are deaf. Singing of songs, waving of flags, granting press interviews, etc are not official evidences of defection. Please learn that today. The only official evidence that a member has defected is the letter written by that member to the speaker. That is the law. Now, the speaker that declared their seats vacant, did he receive any letter from those members that they have defected? I have broken it down for you to understand. I hope it is down enough to your level. |
Kukutente23:If you can answer the three questions I posed, you will ask no further questions. |
JagabanB:The godfather part of my post is not for Father Alia. But the Party part is for him. If he didn't like the APC or the leaders of the party, he should have rebuffed their advances and begging according to you. He should have contested under one of these small political parties since you said that he was too popular and would have still won. If he did that, no one in the state will lay any claim to him and he would do anything that he likes. |
millionboi2:You don't know a thing that has happened. Without the President asking Wike to stop, Fubara would have been impeached before now. That is why he is subservient to the President. You think you are braver than the man? Some of you who don't know the forces he is facing want to push him to his doom. |
obi58:This ignorance being peddled about that any lawmaker that defects loses his seat automatically is akin to the falsehood that was peddled about the 25% votes in Abuja fantasy. Just like the Abuja 25% case, even senior lawyers are involved in peddling this falsehood while quoting the part of the constitution that suits them and leaving out the rest. FYI, the constitution does not say that they will lose their seats automatically. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. The constitution says that the speaker shall, upon receiving a letter from the member stating that he has left the party that sponsored him and reading same in plenary, declare the seat of that member vacant. Now, did the 27 members write any letters to the speaker? Did the speaker read the letters in plenary? And did the speaker declare their seats vacant? When you answer these questions, you will know if any seat is vacant or not. This foolery should stop. |
From what is happening in Benue State, no major political party will be willing to offer its platform to any priest to contest election any time soon. If you don't like any political party, do not seek for their ticket. If you don't like godfatherism, do not seek for their support. |
casualobserver:I dislike men without guts like this David Briggs. It is obvious that the agreement was lopsided. But he was there in the meeting alongside the governor and many of his supporters and none of them could speak up in defence of the governor right there, only for him to come out and be running his mouth. I am sure Fubara must have felt disappointed and abandoned at that meeting. The only person who summoned courage to speak for the Governor was Chief Adokiye Aimesimaka but he was a lone voice. |
It was obvious that Fubara would not be able to survive the crisis. He has the support of the people no doubt, but he doesn't have the support of the critical machinery of government that would enable him function or survive as Governor. The most critical is the House of Assembly. Having only 4 out of 31 members is an indication that he wasn't prepared for the fight. With 27 members of the House, the Chief Clerk and probably the Chief Judge of the state on his side, Wike has the constitutional means required to impeach the Governor. The only thing restraining him is because the President asked him to stop. The Governor has tried to counter this disadvantage by all manners of bravado and court cases. But all these will only amount to temporary relief. You can not rely on exparte orders forever as they have expiration dates. It is inevitable that the group of 27 will eventually regain control of the Assembly. Only a deluded person will not realise this. In that meeting in Aso Rock, there were several senior advocates present and some of them are known supporters of the Governor. I know at least two of them. I believe before the agreement was reached that the Governor should re-present the budget, it must have been agreed that the presentation made before the group of 4 was null and void as the Assembly was not properly constituted. How? The constitution provides that the quorum for the legislature to sit is one third of the members. In the case of Rivers State, you need at least 11 members before the House can sit. Forget all those lawyers giving contrary opinions on TV that the provision would be one third of the 4, assuming that 27 seats are now vacant. These lawyers always argue with emotions and not the law. Are they not the ones that argued that 25% in Abuja was compulsory? In the same Rivers State, after the 2015 elections, the Appeal court canceled most of the elctions of the House of Assembly members and ordered for rerun elections in those constituencies. It was only 8 0r 9 constituencies that were not affected then. The remaining members of the Assembly did not sit any day until the rerun elections were concluded because they couldn't form a quorum to sit. So the group of 4 can not sit if indeed thay are the only members left in the House. If there is any urgent matter of the state that require the approval of the Assembly, the Governor will write to the National Assembly to temporarily take over the duties of the State Assembly. The presentation of the budget will not fall into this category because the Governor still had up till June 30th 2024 to get approval for appropriation. Then how did the group of 27 lose their seats? Our constitution does not say that once a member defects, he automatically lose his seat. It is not automatic as some lawyers are deceiving gullible people about. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have automatically lost his seat some weeks ago when he defected from YPP to APC. There is a process to be followed. The law states that it is the speaker or presiding officer that will declare such seats vacant. Note that it was only yesterday that Dave Umahi's seat in the senate was declared vacant by the Senate President four months after he took up a ministerial appointment. If that seat is not declared vacant by Akpabio, INEC can not conduct any bye election to fill the vacancy. Now who decalred the seats of the 27 vacant? If it is Edison Ehie that declared the seats of the 27 vacant, did the members write to him that they have defected to another party? The ONLY evidence that shows that a member have defected is the letter written by that member to the Speaker that he has defected. The speaker would now proceed to read the letter in plenary. Since Edison Ehie says he is the speaker, did those members write any letter to him or did he read any letter in plenary before declaring those seats vacant? Every knowledgeable person knows that that declaration is as as amusing as his self declaration that he is now Speaker after he was suspended. I have earlier stated that the group of 4 can not even sit. Assuming that the constitutional provision of one third will be interpreted to mean one third of the remaining members, the House has to sit first before any seat can be declared vacant. So at the time that the house purportedly sat, no seat was declared vacant yet. So the constitutional provision of quorum will be one third of the whole house. The governor even going to present the budget before an illegal or improperly constituted House of Assembly was a fatal error of judgement just like the demolition of the House of Assembly complex. I believe that it was these foolhardy actions that riled the President and the legal luminaries in that meeting must have let the Governor know the implications of such actions. No wonder the terms of agreements were lopsided against him. |
Most of the people condemning the President's intervention are ignorant of the fact that Fubara was saved from impeachment in the first place because the President asked Wike to stop. Fubara knows that and the more than 100 persons in that meeting know that Wike would eventually impeach Fubara if the President does not intervene. Fubara incurred the wrath of the President by demolishing the House of Assemby complex. The President said it was a desecration of democracy, and he is correct. I think Fubara lost some sympathy from the President by that action. That might have contributed to the one-sidedness of the agreement. The terms of the agreement will be too humiliating for the Governor to implement. I predict any of two things to happen: 1. The Governor would go against the agreement and continue to fight till he is eventually removed by Wike with presidential backing. 2. The Governor will tender his resignation. |
Most of the people condemning the President's intervention are ignorant of the fact that Fubara was saved from impeachment in the first place because the President asked Wike to stop. Fubara knows that and the more than 100 persons in that meeting know that Wike would eventually impeach Fubara if the President does not intervene. Fubara incurred the wrath of the President by demolishing the House of Assemby complex. The President said it was a desecration of democracy, and he is correct. I think Fubara lost some sympathy from the President by that action. That might have contributed to the one-sidedness of the agreement. The terms of the agreement will be too humiliating for the Governor to implement. I predict any of two things to happen: 1. The Governor would go against the agreement and continue to fight till he is eventually removed by Wike with presidential backing. 2. The Governor will tender his resignation. |
Nuzo1:Which uprising are you talking about? Do you think any sensible person will come out and die for any politician? Last time that some youths went to attack the house of the speaker, what happened? Immediately the police started shooting, they all ran away. Many were even arrested and detained. And that was the end of the demonstrations. All these talks of an uprising is just cheap talk. Why is Edison Ehie still hiding in Govt House? If not for the President, Wike would have impeached Sim by now and everybody will move on last last. |
Jessewizy:Well, I can see that you are very well informed about the issue. I don't think that the Speaker will get the nod to impeach the Governor anytime soon. That is what is frustrating Wike. The burning of the Assembly was unnecessary and the seizure of their funds is uncalled for because he will still finally release the funds. Where Sim has the upper hand is the LGA councils. If their tenure expires without an election and he is not able to appoint caretakers, he will run the councils with the Head of Personnel Management because there can not be vacuum. And this is almost like running the councils directly himself. I think the Assembly are desperately trying to avoid this scenario but there is little or nothing they can do about it. I believe that is why Sim is still holding on to the fight. |
Jessewizy:Finally, I can discuss with someone who really knows the situation on ground. Why I said that Sim has won the war and should stop fighting is because the President had asked that he should not be impeached. And Wike will not go against the instruction of the President. But Sim have been making drastic moves and that is why I fear for him He made moves to change the Clerk of the Assembly. He withheld the funds of the Assembly. He has refused to commence the process of LGA elections with the intention of allowing their tenure to elapse in June next year. He made moves to get the National Assembly to take over the functions of the state assembly. All these are drastic moves suggesting of a man who is still bent on continuing the war |
overdrive:That will be the most politically sensible thing to do. But those leading him on will kick against it. They might see it as swallowing their pride. If he remains in the PDP after Wike and the rest also formally join the APC, he would end up aligning with the people that are not in support of Tinubu, the Atiku people and Amaechi's remaining loyalists. That will be risking the biggest factor that has kept him in his job: the protection of the President. |
Svoboda:Most of these theories do not apply in practice, especially Nigerian politics. How do you dispense with a man like Wike? The only person that can cut Wike to size is President Tinubu. Anyone who doesn't know this does not really know the reality on ground in Rivers State. Sim can not fight Wike to submission unless Tinubu backs him. It was no secret that the Wike political family, including the governor, were already on their way to APC before this crisis started. There was one public function where Sim publicly begged Wike to delay the movement a little bit. Now that the Assembly members have moved, what will Sim do? Will he follow them or will he refuse and inevitably join forces with those that were opposed to Tinubu in the state? That is the dilemma he would be facing now. Soon his battles with the Assembly will be seen as a battle between PDP and APC. Will the President continue backing him then? Where will he submit the budget? Of course, the only place is the legally recognised House. Or will he refuse to go there to submit the budget in order not to lose face? Or even submit it to his 4 members? And what will be the implications of such a move? The victory or respite he enjoys now is as a result of the intervention of the President. That is why he needs to be more tactical and not listen to the war mongers who do not even have an inkling on the realities on ground. What if the President washes his hands off tomorrow? |
tesppidd:I already mentioned the almost inhuman conditions that he was made to operate as Governor. But the crisis has ensured that he is now firmly in charge of his government. He had already fired some govt house officials he is not comfortable with which he wouldn't be able to do before now. What then is the essence of continuing the war when he knows how his victory and respite was secured? What is expected of him is to start giving governance to the state now that he has been unchained. He is mismanaging his victory. What happens now if the President gets tired of his antics and washes his hands completely? I fear that he might end up jeopardising the victory he had got. |
The crisis in Rivers State came to the public burner when the House of Assembly attempted to impeach the Governor of the state, Sim Fubara. However, keen observers know that the surprising frosty relationship between the Gover and his godfather, former Governor Nyesom Wike predated the infamous impeachment notice. The Assembly chambers was burnt in a futile attempt to prevent the Assembly from sitting. One thing led to the other and President Tinubu eventually intervened to broker a ceasefire. That is where Fubara won the war. The intervention of the President has ensured that he would no longer be impeached and it is most likely that he would spend his constitutional four years tenure as Governor. The whole war was about the seat of the Governor and from all indications, he won't be removed any longer. Without the intervention of the President, knowledgeable people in the politics of the state know that Wike would have impeached the Governor. Constitutionally, he has all the arsenals to achieve it. On top of keeping his seat, the crisis has afforded Fubara the opportunity of untangling himself from the choking clutches of his godfather. There are stories of the almost inhuman conditions he was made to operate as Governor. Stories of how Wike remotely controls everything in the Government House, even to the point of determining who should and not visit the Governor, abound to those who have their ears to the ground. Most despicable were stories of how he was being disrespected by his own appointees. Clearly, that can not be the case anymore especially as he is no longer on talking terms with his godfather. Fubara is now finally in charge of his government. Anyone in Fubara's shoes should have seen these as victory and cease to fight. He should have stopped his dispute with the Assembly where he has only 4 out of 31 members. I thought he would be more interested in getting the Assembly to reverse the suspension of his 4 supporters so that they can resume to sit with their colleagues. He needs those his 4 supporters in the House rather than out of it. At least, they can be his eyes and ears in the House. There is no need in continuing a losing battle in the Assembly when he has already won the war. But Fubara is not being strategic in managing the victory. On the surface, it looks like he is being reconciliatory but that is far from the truth in reality. He is the one now taking battles to the other side. He should have avoided being spurred on to fight on and go for the jugular of Wike. These later day supporters are not leading him on because they support him. In fact, most of them did not support him during the elections. He is their darling today because they see him as a tool through which they can destroy his godfather. Some are seeing this as an opportunity to get into the government and cash out. Some have tried desperately to make it look like an ethnic war between the Ijaws and the Ikwerres. They know their motives. Fubara should know better. He should know the motives of these emergency supporters leading him to continue battling when he had already won the war. He should play the right politics now that will bring the crisis to a manageable level so that governance does not continue to suffer. He has won the war for the seat of Governor and liberated himself from the clutches of his godfather. But listening to war mongers and urging him to go for the kill might put his victories in jeopardy. In politics, one must learn to choose his battles wisely. |
In Nigerian politics, it is foolhardy to say that a particular state belongs to a particular political party. Any party can win elections n any state if they control most of the election winning machinery in the state. Even in Rivers State, APC would have won in 2015 if elections were actually conducted. People have forgotten what happened. Wike fought tooth and nail to win at the supreme court after the tribunal and Appeal Court had ordered for a rerun of the elections. APC won the two senatorial seats that rerun were ordered by the Appeal court and some House of Reps and Assembly seats even with Wike as a sitting governor. In 2019, it took the exclusion of the APC from the election by the Supreme Court for Wike and PDP to have a free ride. Wike is now firmly in control of the politics of Rivers State because most of the politicians previously loyal to Amaechi and other political leaders have defected to his side. I didn't say some. I said most. He controls 27 out of 31 House of Assembly members, 10 out of 13 House of Reps members, the 3 senators and 22 out of 23 LGA chairmen. Most of the political gladiators in Rivers State have succumbed to his leadership because they want to remain in the system and have realised over time that fighting him will only lead to defeat. And to cap it all, he enjoys the support of the federal government and its agencies. Many people don't understand the current dynamics of the politics of Rivers State. Have you ever seen a situation where the political structures of the two main political parties are in the control of one man? Anything that will make Wike lose control of Rivers State will come from Tinubu. |
The top three should have been Osimhen, Mahrez and Bonou. It is ridiculous that Salah made the top three ahead of Mahrez and Bonou. |
soccerlite:When you want to consider who the greatest footballer is, the prime criterion is the records of the athletes in question. It is not a matter of who you feel is better or who you like most. That is irrelevant. That is the mistake most of you make. For instance, everyone knows that Okocha is one of the best footballers ever in Africa , let alone in Nigeria. But if you want to consider who the greatest footballer in Nigeria is, Okocha's name will not be mentioned, but Mikel will be in the discussion. It is not a matter of who you watched and who you did not watch. The records speak for themselves. By the way, I started watching football from the Nations Cup in 1980 so I've watched Okala, Rufai, Enyeama and co, most of them live at the stadium. I can understand people arguing who between Mikel and Kanu is Nigeria's greatest footballer. But the greatest goalkeeper should not call for any debate because no other keeper comes close to Vincent Enyeama's records for the Super Eagles and the various clubsides he played for. It is almost absurd debating this. |
Vincent Enyeama is definitely Nigeria's greatest goalkeeper of all times. I was shocked that some people were arguing against this a few days ago With his glaring records for Nigeria and the clubs he played for, this shouldn't have caused any debate. |
This group should hide their face in shame. Any defender of democracy will want the electoral heist that was called election in Kogi and Imo states to be challenged. I was shocked that INEC refused to review and cancel those declarations within the seven days window allowed it by the law. |
Mhizzard:The difference between 17 and 19 is that in a jurisdiction where the legal age of consent is 18 years, 17 is a minor while 19 is an adult. |