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PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 11:10am On Dec 23, 2023
DeepSight:
Tell me how it arrived at its recognition of Edison Ehie as the speaker. That pronouncement could only be issued with the implicit understanding that the faction of 27 were functus officio. There could be no other rational basis.

Secondly, even if you dispute this, so long as -

1. The court has recognized Edison Ehie as the speaker
2. Edison Ehie has declared their seats vacant -

Then the deed is fully done, regardless.

It would now be up to the faction of 27 to dispute this in court.
How does the court declaring Edison the speaker mean the same thing as declaring the 27 seats vacant?
It was not even a judgement but an exparte order that Edison got.
I know you don't know the difference but I'll try to break it down.
The exparte order has a maximum lifespan of 14 days.
That is why the other party didn't worry to appeal the order because it will soon expire.
The issue of declaration of seats vacant was not part of the exparte order.
It is a very bad habit to be arguing blindly on an issue that you obviously know nothing about.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 11:01am On Dec 23, 2023
Kukutente23:
You're the confused and uncoordinated one. The process in the constitution uses the word "shall" which is a mandatory word. It does not say the process is at the whim of the speaker of the House.
The case of YPP you're claiming. I hope you're aware he has only announced his defection on the pages of newspaper. If he announces it on the floor of the House, then the speaker MUST declare his seat vacant. Anything else is an illegality. You're allowed to claim whatever outside but once you do it on the floor, your seat becomes automatically vacant. If the speaker does not declare it so, he's violating the law and YPP can seek redress for that violation in court.
Your problem like most govt defenders is an inability to know the difference between right and wrong in the face of the law simply because of your political inclination.
It's pitiable
Someone is teaching you what you don't know and you say he is talking crap.
People like you hardly learn.
The fact that you don't even know that Senator Ubah has officially defected on the floor of the senate shows that you know nothing. A little Google search could have cleared some of your ignorance.
The Senate President has already read the letter from Senator Ubah in plenary. That is the only recognised means of defection in law.
He has not yet lost his seat.
There are dozens of other examples.
Senator Enyinnaya Abaribe, who was the Minority Leader in the last senate, defected from PDP to APGA. He didn't lose his seat.
The word "shall" does not mean automatic. The process will still be followed.
There has been hundreds of defections by legislators in the past. Can you give me one example of any of them that lost his seat automatically. Just one.

The law intends that they vacate their seats immediately, no doubts, but still confers the enforcement of the law on the speaker.
In almost all cases, the speaker will refuse to enforce the law and that is why the aggrieved party, the former political parry, end up going to court.

In more mature fora, I have advocated for the law to be amended to remove the enforcement from the speaker. Imagine a situation where it is the speaker that defected. Who will declare his seat vacant?
You will go to court and the case will bo on till the tenure expires.

I have advocated that the right of enforcement of this law should be on the political party that sponsored the defector.
It should be the party that should write to INEC that their member who won election had defected.
Then INEC would declare the seat vacant and call for a fresh election within a stipulated time.
With this, we can achieve some level of sanity.
There are other aspects of this law that I have advocated to be amended and I have sent my memorandum to the National Assembly like the loophole created by exemptions, the categories of elected officials covered by the law, etc.
But I guess, this is not the forum to discuss such things.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 10:31am On Dec 23, 2023
DeepSight:
The court has been approached and it has declared those seats vacant. This decision stands until overturnd by a higher court.
Which court declared which seats vacant? Why can't you just stop commenting on an issue you obviously know nothing about? The matter is not even in court yet.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 9:53am On Dec 23, 2023
wirinet:
That's why i accuse you guys of insincerity.
According to the law Senator Uba Has lost his seat. You are insinuating that unless Senator Uba writes a letter and takes other actions, he can continue on the seat indefinitely, even if he becomes a card carrying member of APC. So to you all Senator Uba has to do to have his cake and eat it at the same time is not to transmit a letter to the speaker of the house. If so then the law is useless.
Senator Uba's case has gone under the radar, because it was not as controversial as the one of the 27 law makers. Labour Party is yet to complain and make a case of it. The matter is not even in court yet, unlike the 27 law makers.
See how ignorant you are, yet you don't want to cool down and learn.
Senator Ifeanyi Ubah was elected under YPP, not Labour Party.
He has already written a letter to the Senate President which was read in plenary.
Take note of the process. He wrote a letter to the Senate President and the Senate President read the letter in plenary. I hope you understand what plenary means sha.
The Senate President has not yet declared his seat vacant.
Now, if YPP feel aggrieved, they will approach the high court to state that there is no division in their party to warrant the defection.
Normally, the case will get up to the Supreme Court and YPP will most likely win.
That is how it works. No legislator loses his seat AUTOMATICALLY whether the case is controversial or not.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 9:39am On Dec 23, 2023
wirinet:
This is the problem with Nigerians - insincerity. Laws are rendered ineffective using technicalities and delay tactics. The law on defections was put there to ensure legislators dont take mandate given to one party to another party. Since the constitution recognises that votes belongs to the party and not necessarily to the individual, a party's mandate should belong to the party. The supreme court has always held this position. Now, the 27 legislators have announced on the floor if the assembly thar they have defected, they have been welcomed on live TV to their new party, they have said with their own mouths that there is no going back, and you using technicalities to defend them talking about "AUTOMATIC". OK, what party are the 27 law makers as of today according to you? Are they in PDP, APC or independent? Do you think they can continue to legislate without resolving this issue?
The law is not about emotions.
The only evidence known to the law that a legislator has defected is the letter written by that legislator to the speaker.
Irrespective of any other thing, the only document a speaker can use to declare a seat vacant is the letter of defection written by that member to the speaker.
It's just like when you have been declared the winner of an election into a Constituency, you can not be sworn in until you present the certificate of return.
Even though the whole world knows that you have been declared winner, you can not be sworn in by the clerk unless you present your certificate of return.
Likewise, even though the whole world knows that you have defected, the speaker can not act until he receives a letter from you that you have defected.
I don't know how this is difficult to understand.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 9:19am On Dec 23, 2023
Kukutente23:
Your head is in the wrong place.
The Supreme Court clearly said the speaker not declaring the seats vacant because he's among them is illegal.

You're just jumping up and down. I guess in your mind, if someone refuses to do his job according to law, it's because it's not automatic not because such person is violating the law or derelicting his duty.
For example, if FG refuses to pay its workers and they take FG to court and the courts order the payments, the FG didn't pay because it's not automatic.
See how you deliberately confused yourself all because of politics? That is the result of zombiesm. Purposely throwing your brain away to defend politicians.
Your problem is lack of comprehension or maybe education. I repeat, for those legislators to lose their seats, the process of declaration of vacancy as enshrined in the construction will have to be followed. They have not lost their seats yet merely because they have defected. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Ubah should have lost his seat too. I am sorry I can not break it down any further fir you. I have tried.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 8:59am On Dec 23, 2023
Kukutente23:
I guess you're the one making laws now. It's obvious you're unaware supreme court judgement declared seats of Cross Rivers HoA members vacant after they defected even when the speaker did not declare their seats vacant.
The problem with people like you is ignorance which is sometimes wilful. I want to believe you're not unaware that the members in question have not denied their defection. Instead you're harping on letters been read on the floor before the seats can be declared vacant. As a matter of fact, letters were read on the floor by the members only that Amaehwule refused to declare their seats vacant since he would have been affected.
So rest with the BS
You are even reinforcing what I said. The Supreme Court declared the seats vacant after the speaker refused. Which means it is not AUTOMATIC. There is a process which takes time. Do you know how long it will take for the matter to go from the High Court to the Supreme Court? Most times, the tenure is even expired before the Supreme Court declares the seat vacant. Get this into your head, I have not said that they shouldn't vacate their seats but it is not AUTOMATIC as some lawyers are deceiving ignorant people like you.
PoliticsRe: Gov Alia Replies Benue NASS Lawmakers, Says He Helped APC Win In 2023 by sirpharrell(m): 8:42am On Dec 23, 2023
No doubt, Father Alia helped APC win with his popularity but APC helped him win too with their structure. That is why he chose to go APC instead of any of the small parties where he could have been totally in charge. It was a marriage of convenience and it is not surprising that it didn't last.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 12:56pm On Dec 22, 2023
obi58:
Armchair political analyst continue speaking Japanese. Are you saying that the so called lawmakers who defected to APC did not give any formal notice but just announced their defection to the Press?

The speaker of the house as constitutionally backed by law following a court order from Rivers state High court has affirmed Rt. Hon. Edison Ehie as the the authentic, legal and only Speaker of Rivers State House of Assembly.

Rt. Hon. Ehie in his capacity as Speaker already declared the seats of Hon. Amaehwule and his 24 friends vacant following their defection to APC. He has equally notified INEC to that effect.
If only you can reason properly, you would have understood that I didn't mean to question the defections.
By our laws, it is not automatic that any lawmaker who defects loses his seat.
If it was automatic, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. Or are you pretending that you are not aware that he recently defected from YPP to APC?

Yes, they have defected but the declaration of vacancy of their seats have a process. It is not automatic, I repeat in case you are deaf.
Singing of songs, waving of flags, granting press interviews, etc are not official evidences of defection. Please learn that today.
The only official evidence that a member has defected is the letter written by that member to the speaker. That is the law.
Now, the speaker that declared their seats vacant, did he receive any letter from those members that they have defected?
I have broken it down for you to understand. I hope it is down enough to your level.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 12:55pm On Dec 22, 2023
Kukutente23:
Maybe you can't say because you just copied your three dumb questions from a WhatsApp group

The lawmakers announced their defections in a sitting of the House along with the speaker and they even sang the mandate song while holding APC flags.
So your question is a product of ignorance. And for your info, one of them already said no going back on their defecting.
So you see that your questions which is supposed to paint their defections as null and void or just rumor is meaningless
If only you can reason properly, you would have understood that I didn't mean to question the defections.
By our laws, it is not automatic that any lawmaker who defects loses his seat.
If it was automatic, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. Or are you pretending that you are not aware that he recently defected from YPP to APC?

Yes, they have defected but the declaration of vacancy of their seats have a process. It is not automatic, I repeat in case you are deaf.
Singing of songs, waving of flags, granting press interviews, etc are not official evidences of defection. Please learn that today.
The only official evidence that a member has defected is the letter written by that member to the speaker. That is the law.
Now, the speaker that declared their seats vacant, did he receive any letter from those members that they have defected?
I have broken it down for you to understand. I hope it is down enough to your level.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 6:21pm On Dec 21, 2023
Kukutente23:
So the 27 members are still PDP's lawmakers right?
If you can answer the three questions I posed, you will ask no further questions.
PoliticsRe: Rev Fr Andrew Aigbe Obinyan Joins 2024 Edo Governorship Race by sirpharrell(m): 2:54pm On Dec 21, 2023
JagabanB:
Do u even know how the Benue governor came to contest election?
He didn't came because of godfatherism, there is a particular group of people who begged him to contest even when godfathers were not aware he was coming to contest.
He was APC's biggest chance of getting to power in Benue State, they couldn't turn him down.
The group that brought him into this race are even part of the póór màssès.
The godfather part of my post is not for Father Alia.
But the Party part is for him.
If he didn't like the APC or the leaders of the party, he should have rebuffed their advances and begging according to you.
He should have contested under one of these small political parties since you said that he was too popular and would have still won.
If he did that, no one in the state will lay any claim to him and he would do anything that he likes.
PoliticsRe: Rivers: Tinubu Was Ready To Take Hard Action If Resolutions Failed - Presidency by sirpharrell(m): 2:48pm On Dec 21, 2023
millionboi2:
I laughed at your post,are you aware that the governor was elected and not appointed by president (and try to flashback to tinubu vs obj saga 1999) believe me if I'm fubara will be brutal with power so much that Tinubu by now will be eyeing me in place of wike in his next election come 2027.
You don't know a thing that has happened. Without the President asking Wike to stop, Fubara would have been impeached before now. That is why he is subservient to the President. You think you are braver than the man? Some of you who don't know the forces he is facing want to push him to his doom.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 2:33pm On Dec 21, 2023
obi58:
Thank you for the information.... Now please go ahead to educate us on what the root cause of the quarrel was and what the peace treaty did to address same. What exactly led to the conflict between the 2 parties? Specifically, how are lawmakers who have formally defected to be reinstated? Is that in line with the constitution?
This ignorance being peddled about that any lawmaker that defects loses his seat automatically is akin to the falsehood that was peddled about the 25% votes in Abuja fantasy. Just like the Abuja 25% case, even senior lawyers are involved in peddling this falsehood while quoting the part of the constitution that suits them and leaving out the rest.

FYI, the constitution does not say that they will lose their seats automatically. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have lost his seat by now. The constitution says that the speaker shall, upon receiving a letter from the member stating that he has left the party that sponsored him and reading same in plenary, declare the seat of that member vacant.

Now, did the 27 members write any letters to the speaker? Did the speaker read the letters in plenary? And did the speaker declare their seats vacant? When you answer these questions, you will know if any seat is vacant or not. This foolery should stop.
PoliticsRe: Rev Fr Andrew Aigbe Obinyan Joins 2024 Edo Governorship Race by sirpharrell(m): 1:23pm On Dec 21, 2023
From what is happening in Benue State, no major political party will be willing to offer its platform to any priest to contest election any time soon.

If you don't like any political party, do not seek for their ticket.

If you don't like godfatherism, do not seek for their support.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 1:17pm On Dec 21, 2023
casualobserver:
So what was that Briggs man saying on TV?
I dislike men without guts like this David Briggs. It is obvious that the agreement was lopsided. But he was there in the meeting alongside the governor and many of his supporters and none of them could speak up in defence of the governor right there, only for him to come out and be running his mouth. I am sure Fubara must have felt disappointed and abandoned at that meeting. The only person who summoned courage to speak for the Governor was Chief Adokiye Aimesimaka but he was a lone voice.
PoliticsRe: ‘How Fubara, Wike Reached Truce’ - Rivers Lawmaker, Enemi George by sirpharrell(m): 12:58pm On Dec 21, 2023
It was obvious that Fubara would not be able to survive the crisis. He has the support of the people no doubt, but he doesn't have the support of the critical machinery of government that would enable him function or survive as Governor.

The most critical is the House of Assembly. Having only 4 out of 31 members is an indication that he wasn't prepared for the fight. With 27 members of the House, the Chief Clerk and probably the Chief Judge of the state on his side, Wike has the constitutional means required to impeach the Governor. The only thing restraining him is because the President asked him to stop.

The Governor has tried to counter this disadvantage by all manners of bravado and court cases. But all these will only amount to temporary relief. You can not rely on exparte orders forever as they have expiration dates. It is inevitable that the group of 27 will eventually regain control of the Assembly. Only a deluded person will not realise this.

In that meeting in Aso Rock, there were several senior advocates present and some of them are known supporters of the Governor. I know at least two of them. I believe before the agreement was reached that the Governor should re-present the budget, it must have been agreed that the presentation made before the group of 4 was null and void as the Assembly was not properly constituted. How?

The constitution provides that the quorum for the legislature to sit is one third of the members. In the case of Rivers State, you need at least 11 members before the House can sit. Forget all those lawyers giving contrary opinions on TV that the provision would be one third of the 4, assuming that 27 seats are now vacant. These lawyers always argue with emotions and not the law. Are they not the ones that argued that 25% in Abuja was compulsory?

In the same Rivers State, after the 2015 elections, the Appeal court canceled most of the elctions of the House of Assembly members and ordered for rerun elections in those constituencies. It was only 8 0r 9 constituencies that were not affected then. The remaining members of the Assembly did not sit any day until the rerun elections were concluded because they couldn't form a quorum to sit.

So the group of 4 can not sit if indeed thay are the only members left in the House. If there is any urgent matter of the state that require the approval of the Assembly, the Governor will write to the National Assembly to temporarily take over the duties of the State Assembly. The presentation of the budget will not fall into this category because the Governor still had up till June 30th 2024 to get approval for appropriation.

Then how did the group of 27 lose their seats? Our constitution does not say that once a member defects, he automatically lose his seat. It is not automatic as some lawyers are deceiving gullible people about. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Uba should have automatically lost his seat some weeks ago when he defected from YPP to APC. There is a process to be followed.

The law states that it is the speaker or presiding officer that will declare such seats vacant. Note that it was only yesterday that Dave Umahi's seat in the senate was declared vacant by the Senate President four months after he took up a ministerial appointment. If that seat is not declared vacant by Akpabio, INEC can not conduct any bye election to fill the vacancy.

Now who decalred the seats of the 27 vacant? If it is Edison Ehie that declared the seats of the 27 vacant, did the members write to him that they have defected to another party? The ONLY evidence that shows that a member have defected is the letter written by that member to the Speaker that he has defected. The speaker would now proceed to read the letter in plenary. Since Edison Ehie says he is the speaker, did those members write any letter to him or did he read any letter in plenary before declaring those seats vacant? Every knowledgeable person knows that that declaration is as as amusing as his self declaration that he is now Speaker after he was suspended.

I have earlier stated that the group of 4 can not even sit. Assuming that the constitutional provision of one third will be interpreted to mean one third of the remaining members, the House has to sit first before any seat can be declared vacant. So at the time that the house purportedly sat, no seat was declared vacant yet. So the constitutional provision of quorum will be one third of the whole house.

The governor even going to present the budget before an illegal or improperly constituted House of Assembly was a fatal error of judgement just like the demolition of the House of Assembly complex. I believe that it was these foolhardy actions that riled the President and the legal luminaries in that meeting must have let the Governor know the implications of such actions. No wonder the terms of agreements were lopsided against him.
PoliticsRe: Rivers: Tinubu Was Ready To Take Hard Action If Resolutions Failed - Presidency by sirpharrell(m): 11:56am On Dec 21, 2023
Most of the people condemning the President's intervention are ignorant of the fact that Fubara was saved from impeachment in the first place because the President asked Wike to stop.

Fubara knows that and the more than 100 persons in that meeting know that Wike would eventually impeach Fubara if the President does not intervene.

Fubara incurred the wrath of the President by demolishing the House of Assemby complex. The President said it was a desecration of democracy, and he is correct. I think Fubara lost some sympathy from the President by that action. That might have contributed to the one-sidedness of the agreement.

The terms of the agreement will be too humiliating for the Governor to implement. I predict any of two things to happen:
1. The Governor would go against the agreement and continue to fight till he is eventually removed by Wike with presidential backing.
2. The Governor will tender his resignation.
PoliticsRe: Gov Fubara Indeed Signed The Resolution - Rivers Commissioner, Johnson by sirpharrell(m): 10:59am On Dec 21, 2023
Most of the people condemning the President's intervention are ignorant of the fact that Fubara was saved from impeachment in the first place because the President asked Wike to stop.

Fubara knows that and the more than 100 persons in that meeting know that Wike would eventually impeach Fubara if the President does not intervene.

Fubara incurred the wrath of the President by demolishing the House of Assemby complex. The President said it was a desecration of democracy, and he is correct. I think Fubara lost some sympathy from the President by that action. That might have contributed to the one-sidedness of the agreement.

The terms of the agreement will be too humiliating for the Governor to implement. I predict any of two things to happen:
1. The Governor would go against the agreement and continue to fight till he is eventually removed by Wike with presidential backing.
2. The Governor will tender his resignation.
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 10:31pm On Dec 12, 2023
Nuzo1:
I laugh when I hear people say only Tinubu can save Fubara.

If Tinubu intervenes to save Fubara, it will be for the fear of people’s uprisings that may spring up and therefore dampen the chances of APC in future outings.

As it stands now, with the tension and anger in rivers, it’s hard to predict the direction things will face if Fubara is impeached.

His only saving grace now is NOT Tinubu, Amaechi or Abe… but the people of Rivers state.
Which uprising are you talking about?
Do you think any sensible person will come out and die for any politician?
Last time that some youths went to attack the house of the speaker, what happened?
Immediately the police started shooting, they all ran away.
Many were even arrested and detained. And that was the end of the demonstrations.
All these talks of an uprising is just cheap talk. Why is Edison Ehie still hiding in Govt House?
If not for the President, Wike would have impeached Sim by now and everybody will move on last last.
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 2:54pm On Dec 12, 2023
Jessewizy:
You are right about the moves. Those were juvenile moves orchestrated by Ehie Edison. None of the moves worked. He has however withheld the funds of the HOA. Just yesterday, the speaker told him that he’s not interested in whatever he wants to say unless he releases those funds first. For the fact that up till this moment, the 27 assembly members are still intact should tell you something. Trust me, if only he had the protection of jagaban, he would have landed a heavy blow on Wike. Wike also has moles in Sim’s camp that’s why you see him unbothered. I tell you this for free, only jagaban can save SIM. Wike is not like every other GF, he has strong relationships across party lines and very strong Allies. The man prepared for this moment. There are some people pushing sim to this needless war, I won’t mention names, they want to have direct access to the state coffers. Now where will sim present 2024 budget? They actually thought burning of the assembly chamber was going to stop the sittings but no, it didn’t. Do you know that, if the speaker gets the go ahead, SIM will be impeached. IYC has back down because of someone’s directive, I still won’t mention names. There’s no traditional states anywhere, APC’s David Lyon worn Diri hands down if not for courts. A dark horse will emerge as governor in rivers state. Mark it somewhere. It’s too late for SIM. I feel for him though, he had no issues with Wike. Some idiots including Edison and SGS instigated this needless fight.
Well, I can see that you are very well informed about the issue.
I don't think that the Speaker will get the nod to impeach the Governor anytime soon. That is what is frustrating Wike.
The burning of the Assembly was unnecessary and the seizure of their funds is uncalled for because he will still finally release the funds.
Where Sim has the upper hand is the LGA councils.
If their tenure expires without an election and he is not able to appoint caretakers, he will run the councils with the Head of Personnel Management because there can not be vacuum.
And this is almost like running the councils directly himself.
I think the Assembly are desperately trying to avoid this scenario but there is little or nothing they can do about it.
I believe that is why Sim is still holding on to the fight.
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 2:13pm On Dec 12, 2023
Jessewizy:
You’re close to being correct. Sim has been trying to reach tinubu but all moves have been constantly blocked by gbaja. Sim is helpless. And No, Sim is not even close to winning. Edison has been hiding in government house for weeks now. They’re literally scared of making any drastic move now because tinubu whom he doesn’t access to.
Finally, I can discuss with someone who really knows the situation on ground.
Why I said that Sim has won the war and should stop fighting is because the President had asked that he should not be impeached.
And Wike will not go against the instruction of the President.
But Sim have been making drastic moves and that is why I fear for him
He made moves to change the Clerk of the Assembly.
He withheld the funds of the Assembly.
He has refused to commence the process of LGA elections with the intention of allowing their tenure to elapse in June next year.
He made moves to get the National Assembly to take over the functions of the state assembly.
All these are drastic moves suggesting of a man who is still bent on continuing the war
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 1:52pm On Dec 12, 2023
overdrive:
His best bet is equally to decamp to APC with the remaining 4 guys.make all man begin mad at the same time.
That will be the most politically sensible thing to do.
But those leading him on will kick against it. They might see it as swallowing their pride.
If he remains in the PDP after Wike and the rest also formally join the APC, he would end up aligning with the people that are not in support of Tinubu, the Atiku people and Amaechi's remaining loyalists.
That will be risking the biggest factor that has kept him in his job: the protection of the President.
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 12:55pm On Dec 12, 2023
Svoboda:
One of the 48 laws of power states that you fight your enemy to
extinction, and not halfway. Wike is now like a wounded lion. Thats why i have advocated for sim to chisel a line of constant communication with jagaban. Thats when wike would be mortally wounded and be eventually be dispensed with. I like the tendency for sim to always reference the Renewed Hope agenda. It shows he still wants to be in jagabans good book. Wike knows that losing his grip in rivers is a matter of when and not if under sim.
Most of these theories do not apply in practice, especially Nigerian politics.
How do you dispense with a man like Wike?
The only person that can cut Wike to size is President Tinubu.
Anyone who doesn't know this does not really know the reality on ground in Rivers State.
Sim can not fight Wike to submission unless Tinubu backs him.
It was no secret that the Wike political family, including the governor, were already on their way to APC before this crisis started.
There was one public function where Sim publicly begged Wike to delay the movement a little bit.
Now that the Assembly members have moved, what will Sim do?
Will he follow them or will he refuse and inevitably join forces with those that were opposed to Tinubu in the state?
That is the dilemma he would be facing now.
Soon his battles with the Assembly will be seen as a battle between PDP and APC.
Will the President continue backing him then?

Where will he submit the budget?
Of course, the only place is the legally recognised House.
Or will he refuse to go there to submit the budget in order not to lose face?
Or even submit it to his 4 members?
And what will be the implications of such a move?
The victory or respite he enjoys now is as a result of the intervention of the President.
That is why he needs to be more tactical and not listen to the war mongers who do not even have an inkling on the realities on ground.
What if the President washes his hands off tomorrow?
PoliticsRe: Rivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 11:28am On Dec 12, 2023
tesppidd:
Maybe his conscience is not letting him honour the agreements anymore he made with Wike.

So he's not comfortable with anything like settlement under the past conditions he made with Wike.


Common we are not fools, for Wike to have chosen an unknown Fubara to succeed him, we should know that the conditions would be outrageous..

What we already have in public domain is that already 17 out of 19 commissioners were chosen by Wike, Chief of Staff, CSO, all Assembly members chosen by Wike, Rivers state jet still used by Wike,


Habaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Which kain level of godfather be this one??
I already mentioned the almost inhuman conditions that he was made to operate as Governor.
But the crisis has ensured that he is now firmly in charge of his government.
He had already fired some govt house officials he is not comfortable with which he wouldn't be able to do before now.
What then is the essence of continuing the war when he knows how his victory and respite was secured?
What is expected of him is to start giving governance to the state now that he has been unchained.
He is mismanaging his victory. What happens now if the President gets tired of his antics and washes his hands completely?
I fear that he might end up jeopardising the victory he had got.
PoliticsRivers Crisis: Gov. Fubara Has Already Won The War, Why Fighting On? by sirpharrell(op): 11:01am On Dec 12, 2023
The crisis in Rivers State came to the public burner when the House of Assembly attempted to impeach the Governor of the state, Sim Fubara.
However, keen observers know that the surprising frosty relationship between the Gover and his godfather, former Governor Nyesom Wike predated the infamous impeachment notice.
The Assembly chambers was burnt in a futile attempt to prevent the Assembly from sitting.
One thing led to the other and President Tinubu eventually intervened to broker a ceasefire.

That is where Fubara won the war.
The intervention of the President has ensured that he would no longer be impeached and it is most likely that he would spend his constitutional four years tenure as Governor.
The whole war was about the seat of the Governor and from all indications, he won't be removed any longer.
Without the intervention of the President, knowledgeable people in the politics of the state know that Wike would have impeached the Governor. Constitutionally, he has all the arsenals to achieve it.

On top of keeping his seat, the crisis has afforded Fubara the opportunity of untangling himself from the choking clutches of his godfather.
There are stories of the almost inhuman conditions he was made to operate as Governor.
Stories of how Wike remotely controls everything in the Government House, even to the point of determining who should and not visit the Governor, abound to those who have their ears to the ground.
Most despicable were stories of how he was being disrespected by his own appointees.
Clearly, that can not be the case anymore especially as he is no longer on talking terms with his godfather.
Fubara is now finally in charge of his government.

Anyone in Fubara's shoes should have seen these as victory and cease to fight.
He should have stopped his dispute with the Assembly where he has only 4 out of 31 members.
I thought he would be more interested in getting the Assembly to reverse the suspension of his 4 supporters so that they can resume to sit with their colleagues.
He needs those his 4 supporters in the House rather than out of it. At least, they can be his eyes and ears in the House.
There is no need in continuing a losing battle in the Assembly when he has already won the war.

But Fubara is not being strategic in managing the victory.
On the surface, it looks like he is being reconciliatory but that is far from the truth in reality.
He is the one now taking battles to the other side.
He should have avoided being spurred on to fight on and go for the jugular of Wike.
These later day supporters are not leading him on because they support him. In fact, most of them did not support him during the elections.
He is their darling today because they see him as a tool through which they can destroy his godfather.
Some are seeing this as an opportunity to get into the government and cash out.
Some have tried desperately to make it look like an ethnic war between the Ijaws and the Ikwerres. They know their motives.

Fubara should know better.
He should know the motives of these emergency supporters leading him to continue battling when he had already won the war.
He should play the right politics now that will bring the crisis to a manageable level so that governance does not continue to suffer.
He has won the war for the seat of Governor and liberated himself from the clutches of his godfather.
But listening to war mongers and urging him to go for the kill might put his victories in jeopardy.
In politics, one must learn to choose his battles wisely.
PoliticsRe: Fubara: Wike Is In A Catch-22 Position, Let's Be Careful - Adamu Garba To APC by sirpharrell(m): 6:36am On Dec 12, 2023
In Nigerian politics, it is foolhardy to say that a particular state belongs to a particular political party.
Any party can win elections n any state if they control most of the election winning machinery in the state.
Even in Rivers State, APC would have won in 2015 if elections were actually conducted. People have forgotten what happened.
Wike fought tooth and nail to win at the supreme court after the tribunal and Appeal Court had ordered for a rerun of the elections.
APC won the two senatorial seats that rerun were ordered by the Appeal court and some House of Reps and Assembly seats even with Wike as a sitting governor.
In 2019, it took the exclusion of the APC from the election by the Supreme Court for Wike and PDP to have a free ride.
Wike is now firmly in control of the politics of Rivers State because most of the politicians previously loyal to Amaechi and other political leaders have defected to his side.
I didn't say some. I said most.
He controls 27 out of 31 House of Assembly members, 10 out of 13 House of Reps members, the 3 senators and 22 out of 23 LGA chairmen.
Most of the political gladiators in Rivers State have succumbed to his leadership because they want to remain in the system and have realised over time that fighting him will only lead to defeat.
And to cap it all, he enjoys the support of the federal government and its agencies.
Many people don't understand the current dynamics of the politics of Rivers State.
Have you ever seen a situation where the political structures of the two main political parties are in the control of one man?
Anything that will make Wike lose control of Rivers State will come from Tinubu.
SportsRe: Algeria Boycott CAF Awards In Support Of Mahrez As Osimhen Challenges Salah by sirpharrell(m): 7:10pm On Dec 11, 2023
The top three should have been Osimhen, Mahrez and Bonou.
It is ridiculous that Salah made the top three ahead of Mahrez and Bonou.
SportsRe: Vincent Enyeama: Lille Celebrates Nigeria's Former Number 1 Goalkeeper by sirpharrell(m): 4:09pm On Dec 06, 2023
soccerlite:
Lolzzzzz

Oga you don't know rufai

The fact that you don't appreciate football played in the 80s and 90s shows you don't know football

In the time of rufai, Enyeama can't even be in national team, do you know rufais competitors

Even Enyeama height can't make him be in the Eagles
When you want to consider who the greatest footballer is, the prime criterion is the records of the athletes in question. It is not a matter of who you feel is better or who you like most. That is irrelevant. That is the mistake most of you make. For instance, everyone knows that Okocha is one of the best footballers ever in Africa , let alone in Nigeria. But if you want to consider who the greatest footballer in Nigeria is, Okocha's name will not be mentioned, but Mikel will be in the discussion.

It is not a matter of who you watched and who you did not watch. The records speak for themselves. By the way, I started watching football from the Nations Cup in 1980 so I've watched Okala, Rufai, Enyeama and co, most of them live at the stadium. I can understand people arguing who between Mikel and Kanu is Nigeria's greatest footballer. But the greatest goalkeeper should not call for any debate because no other keeper comes close to Vincent Enyeama's records for the Super Eagles and the various clubsides he played for. It is almost absurd debating this.
SportsRe: Vincent Enyeama: Lille Celebrates Nigeria's Former Number 1 Goalkeeper by sirpharrell(m): 11:58pm On Dec 05, 2023
Vincent Enyeama is definitely Nigeria's greatest goalkeeper of all times.
I was shocked that some people were arguing against this a few days ago
With his glaring records for Nigeria and the clubs he played for, this shouldn't have caused any debate.
PoliticsRe: Lawyers Accuse SDP's Ajaka Of Planing For File Petition Through The Backdoor by sirpharrell(m): 3:43pm On Dec 04, 2023
This group should hide their face in shame. Any defender of democracy will want the electoral heist that was called election in Kogi and Imo states to be challenged. I was shocked that INEC refused to review and cancel those declarations within the seven days window allowed it by the law.
CrimeRe: Court Remands Yahoo Boy For Raping 17-Year-Old Girl To Death In Kwara by sirpharrell(m): 3:29pm On Dec 04, 2023
Mhizzard:
lol the girl is a minor.is the guy much older than her??
let say the true,if you are saying this in the public you are trying to implicate the guy.because both of them are of tender age,so,no minor in this situation. What is the difference between 17&19
The difference between 17 and 19 is that in a jurisdiction where the legal age of consent is 18 years, 17 is a minor while 19 is an adult.

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