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Mvnster:
You know alot about schizophrenia, im sure you know where schizophrenic people are treated, do check into one asap. You are already displaying tangietiality.

For the fact that I know a lot about schizophrenia excludes me as a patient . The phenomenon of awareness in psychiatry is called congruence. In other words, a person who exhibits good balance in judgment.
Unfortunately, it’s quite different from your condition. You are unaware of yourself and your mental status. A typical inclusion criteria in suspected schizophrenia . The more you talk, you reveal a lot unknowingly. Where did you get the information about the intervention you prescribed?

2mch:
It doesn’t matter if the company has a pharmacist anywhere as required. Importation should be limited to drug manufacturer’s. That’s my point. If retail pharmacists are limited to where they can purchase drugs, it will kill the fake black market. Also extend death penalty to pharmacists that sell fake drugs.

What do you think it would takes to set up a pseudo manufacturing company in a country like Nigeria. Very little. There are medications you could manufacture genuinely on a low scale. Drugs like mist mag, liquid paraffin, mist kaolin, penicillin ointments, powered actemorohines etc could be manufactured at very low scale production.
Why do I say this? Anyone who really wants to get a manufacturing license could set up such low scale production just to be considered a manufacturer.
These bad actors are very rich. Money to set up such low key production wouldn’t be a problem.

He had a deceitful heart . God cannot be mocked. God sees beyond our outward acts.

Mvnster:
...and you still want to brag with your reasoning of a 5 year old kid.

When you read meaning into an unrelated issue, and draw conclusions from limited understanding of a person or an issue, it is called poor judgment in psychiatry. A precursor for certain class of schizophrenic disorder.

Mvnster:
Yea limit your dumb assertions to the joke section only cause thats where you reasoning ends. Stupdapostle of fake and expired drugs.

No one in your entire generation can talk when I talk. It’s just social media that has created room for this type of interaction, and it unfortunate.

2mch:
I don’t agree that pharmacists should be in the business of importing drugs at all. Too many pharmacists to ensure quality. Only company’s in the business of manufacturing drugs wholesale should import. Pharmacists can buy from them and sell retail. Individuals should not have the ability to import drugs in a country. Of course customs are compromised. If these people passed through any customs officer and paid bribes, there are ways to find out who compromised by tracking the shipment that brought in the drugs and the officers on duty at the time.

A few things that need clarification
1) Every company in the business of manufacturing drugs is supervised by a Pharmacist by law. You cannot and you are not allowed to manufacture drugs without having an on site supervising pharmacist.
2 ) Every pharmacy retail outlet is also supervised by a pharmacist.
3) The above two pharmacist have equal qualification and are meant to be held equally accountable for every conduct under their watch.
4) individuals do not have the ability to import drugs in Nigeria. Instead a cooperate entity in the form of a pharmaceutical company ( incorporated under CAC) does.
5) When import of drug is made, a licensed is attached to it.
6) That pharmacist whose license is attached to that import should be solely responsible for the standard and veracity of the product.
Now, how do you know who let an undeclared consignment in when there are no documents anywhere? It’s impossible.

Mvnster:
Exactly why youre dumb, the topic is about marketers of expired and substandard drugs, Im pretty sure they even have nafdac numbers already, all be it fake, but you are busy talking crap about how easy it is or it is not to obtain a nafdac license. Again are those fake wine producers/marketers also importing wines from india and china like you claim?
Crooks who should be outrightly condemned and sent to the gallows are caught red handed you are busy looking for a sentimental excuse to cover up criminality, you seriously need psychiatric treatment.

This discussion is beyond what you can contribute. It’s not everything you should choke your mouth in. Again, has wines and drinks got to do with the topic?
When you are not able to stick to a discussion topic , there is a name for it in psychiatry. It is called intellectual disability.

2mch:
Not every pharmacy should have the right to import drugs. There should be biomedical company’s like orange drugs who actually produce drugs. They should be allowed to import. If you give just any pharmacy the ability to import then the quality will be bad. They need to make the ports computerized so whoever approves illegally importation of drugs, they will have to sign off on it and will be picked up.

FG can pick one established and respected company per state to import and distribute to all pharmacy’s within the state. It should help with competition of prices around the country and reduce fakes. Any pharmacist that orders drugs outside of the approved importers should also face serious repercussions. There are ways to do these things if the government is serious.

Biomedical is an entirely different body of knowledge. The right people to safe the industry are pharmacists. In Nigeria we have the Pharmacy Council.
But because the regulations are not stringent, the pharmacists are not doing what they are trained to do.
Any practicing pharmacists whose license is used to import fake drugs should loss his license to practice.They are called supervising Pharmacists for a reason. Any pharmacists who is responsible for any pharmacy where fake drugs is found should loss his license.
Those are ethical obligations required to safeguard the public.
Secondly, there is nowhere to know who allowed what medications through the port of entry. These products are usually not declared and most times, they are concealed ( albeit in plain sight). It then begs the question, why will anyone allow such through the port? Official are often compromised. How did over 10 trucks load of fake medicine pass through the ports without anyones knowing about it?

2mch:
Not everyone should be able to import drugs and food. They must be approved and each importation have their company name and logo attached to it. If customs allows just anyone to import drugs and food then the customs officers must be jailed.

Nigeria needs to change their laws on importation and make importers have the required background, education and finances approved by government to import these items. When you limit who can import, it’s easier to ensure quality.

The laws and regulations are there. It’s not everyone that is allowed to import medications. First they must have a fully registered pharmacy under the supervision of a pharmacist. Secondly the medication must have NAFDAC number.
However, the problem is mostly enforcement at the ports. At every port, there are customs and NAFDAC officials who are stationed for inspection of every shipment.
What do they do? They turn blind eyes and allow everything in, as long as “the price good”. That is why you see most customs including the junior ranks building hotels everywhere.

Mvnster:
Its better to keep your mouth shut sometimes, we are talking apples your talking baseball. What has changing expiry date have to do with nafdac number? How about the fake drink producers? They still import fake substandard drinks from pakistan? Dumdum.

You well at all? This post in its entirety is about NAFDAC raiding a popular drug market in Anambra Yet, you want to start talking off point about drinks, apple and baseball.
You have very low IQ and lack simple reading skills / comprehension.
And while you are at it, I challenge you to point out one place in all my post here where I made mention of changing expiration date.

APCHaram:
The reason for NAFDAC raid which you have been questioning is to address the criminality and unethical practice of producing fake drugs and flooding it into the country .


You are a obviously someone with a criminal mindset to try and dare to offer excuses and defense for this obvious heartless criminal venture.

Free your mind from bias and read my comments solely for exposition.

Guestmale:
This your explanation and defense doesn't
hold any water,we are talking about human medicine here that has regulation not only in Nigeria but globally.Selling medicine is not by force,there are many other trades whosoever want to make money can venture to.

It’s not a defense. Don’t make it one. My comment is solely an exposition. I have no dog in the fight.

masseratti:
If you wipe away address on any product that's criminal,whats stopping such person from wiping away expiring date ,if the profit is marginal is it a must you must do that business?stop defending criminality especially when lives are invited abeg .can you even hear yourself?

I am not here to discuss the criminality of the act. I am not here to even address the morality of it. Those would be points for different discussion.
The purpose of my posts is mainly exposition. In other words, to let people know what is happening and for them to make the moral judgment themselves.
I have not dog in the fight.
If I may ask, “hear myself” what? For shading light on these obscured activities and bringing more awareness to it?

masseratti:
jeez please laugh on what you have an idea on ..I have gotten Nafdac form on a drug I wanted to import from India.. generic foem of propecia,i secured Nafdac license for a friend who imported stock fish into Nigeria,I have imported items into the country myself so before I talk I know what am talking about ,the items you states from neighboring countries no one dares import them into Nigeria because you are going to run at a loss.SC Johnson is in Tema Accra, Nigeria one is in ilupeju Lagos and oregun so you are telling me I can't read again?who produced the one in Nigeria on that date when the plant was shut . so what's your point?

Oga there is a lot you don’t know. I am talking about same product, same brand and exactly same look. Not generics. The address on the container is often wiped and restamped. It is a very marginal business that relies on volume.

chidiokay:
You dont have to complicate whats not complicated

All genuine drugs are Nafdac certified cos there is no reason or excuse why genuine producer will not want register is drugs .... the risk no worth am,

Most drugs are produced outside Nigeria, importers approach various drug manufacturers abroad to by there marketer here in Nigeria, they repackage, brand and sell it ... simple

These marketers in Nigeria are expected to register with Nafdac and must be certified

So as a certified marketers any drug you bring in is certified by Nafdac and its carries your registration number

its that clear nd simple, anything apart from that is an intention to sell fake or expires ... i grew up in a medical environment

Unfortunately, you are talking about about an ideal legal position.
But that is the the reality of the country you lived in. Once they is monetary incentive, the norm hardly hold.
Let me shock with a little common occurrence.
What most of these trader do is a kind of arbitrage. The scout for where these products are cheaper globally. They take advantage of these differences and make money. The difference could be up to 50% sometimes. Same product but without NAFDAC number.

APCHaram:
You are a bloody liar.


Every drug that is imported into Nigeria must first be submitted to NAFDAC for verification of its authencity, potency and safety .

Samples of expected batch are submitted to NAFDAC before hand for testing. Even the foriegn manufacturers ISO certification and Health regulatory license is scrutinized by NAFDAC as part of screening.

If everything meets NAFDAC standards, the importer is given the go ahead to import the said pre approved drug specification and quantity.

On arrival into Nigeria, NAFDAC will take hold of the consignment at their main laboratory in Lagos and do random testing on the each batch samples. NAFDAC will only finally release the drugs to the importer after it is fully satisfied with the consignment.

Now here is where it gets shaddy.

Most of your distributors will then use the NAFDAC approval and go ahead to then begin to produce extra fake batches with fake NAFDAC certification and most of this is done in markets in Onitsha and Aba.

Next time you want to lie on behalf of your blodas , think very well before you post rubbish here

Ignorance is bliss.
Almost all of those fake drugs in Nigeria are manufactured abroad . They are all imported mostly from Asian. The code name for those in the market is Paki, short for Pakistan. They all pass through corrupt officials into the country.
Know this and know the truth about your country.

masseratti:
please stop defending nonsense online..how much is Nafdac license compare to custom charges also traders pass on the cost of tariffs and license to consumers..when at the point of death most humans careless about price of what will make them healthier..SC Johnson had to shut it plant for a year..makers of Raids insecticide in other to phase out fake Raid ..this guys were still producing Raid even after the last manufactured raid was in Dec 2021,there were Raids with manufacturing date of Feb 2022 who produced it ?from where?when the company did not operate that year..SC Johnson did not start operation until 2023.

The law is simple and there is a reason it was made if you bringing in drug into the country make sure you get it tested by Nafdac so that they will it's safe for use ..if you cannot comply go and buy farm land and farm to make money .

No matter how much you have, there is nowhere you can get more than one NAFDAC number on an existing product.
You are reading my expos-ire with prejudice, reason why you would think it defensive. I have no dog in the fight. I only commenting based on what I know. If not for anything, my comment Would help NAFDAC to understand some of the root cause of the problem, and maybe make them channel resources accordingly.

The Raid insecticide you are talking about, if you go to just nearby Ghana, you will still find the same raid original Raid of the same packaging produced by the same Company but without NAFADAC number. Same with Maggi cube, milo chocolate etc. Does that make those ones fake?
I laughed at your ignorance when you said “ compared to Customs charges “ Do you think official customs duty is paid on that foreign version? No. They only settle individual customs with peanuts just to let their goods in.

chidiokay:
Oga you are talking gibberish but you stand a chance to show us proof

why will anyone invest billions to impound drugs and NAFDAC registration charges will be a problem


you see money buy ferrari but you wan bypass custom using smugglers does it make any sense

Having billions is not the issue. Let me explain ( I know say I go explain tire).
What most business people in the market do is to ride on the back of established brands and make more money.
This is how it works. A lot of foreign manufacturers of popular medication brands have NAFDAC number on paper but they do not have existence or production in Nigeria or even distributors. This could be due to the challenges of running a successful organized business in Nigeria. Remember, these products are already popular in Nigeria, so there is no issue with consumers accepting them.
An Igbo business man would then approach a third party in the foreign country where the medication is still manufactured. Remember, the foreign version in the same packaging of the medication won’t have NAFDAC number because it is not a requirement over there.
Then, somehow they successfully import these foreign versions into Nigeria but this are now term fake. The reason they are considered fake and rightly so is because there is an existing NAFDAC number for that product in Nigeria. However, the Nigeria version is not available anywhere.
Another thing some of the traders do is that they also knowingly import the foreign version even when the Nigeria version is still available. This practice cause undue competition with the local version, and results in lost of revenue for the original Nigeria company. In fact, some of the market raids are sponsored by companies that have experienced this issues.
Note, there are also the very bad actors. These ones deliberately go all out to import very fake counterfeit versions mostly from Asia. These are the very bad heartless actors .
In most markets, even their own union are against the last group. They do confiscate the fake products and sanction such individuals.
But when it comes to NAFDAC raid, every one is a suspect.

Mvnster:
You are both right, this is apc killing igbo business as usual. It would have been good if we could locate you and try these foreigns drugs on you and your likes to see what happens.
Ndi foolish propagandists.

But there is some truth in what he said. Some medications that do not have alternatives and are not produced in Nigeria could be misconstrued as fake. The reason they come in without approval is because there is very marginal incentive in obtaining NAFDAC number for those. Sellers do not want to go through that expensive process. In addition, the original manufacturer might not have interest in Nigeria market and is too occupied to care about about foreign distributorship. Mostly they originate from Western Countries.
All these do not negate the fact that people still need those type of medications in Nigeria.
Typical, what small business people do is that get those medications through a third party abroad, and import them across to Nigeria. It not does not make the medications fake, just that there is no NAFDAC number on them. But doing so is a valuation of Nigeria law. NAFDAC has every right to impound the medications. But they never do at the port of entry. So the medications end up in the market.
As a warning, there are a lot that are fake without NAFDAC numbers. Mostly, those are from Asian countries, India, China, Pakistan.

lwisee:
Do we have any chemist or pharmacy satisfied by NAFDAC in Lagos?
I fear for the health of the masses in 10yrs time.

NAFDAC does not certify pharmacy but Pharmacist council of Nigeria does. The role of NAFDAC among other things is to ensure that medications are approved and authentic. In other words, that medications do what they claim in their original consistency. Then, they are allowed to go into the market ( approved pharmacy) for consumers.
Ideally, some categories of medicine must be supervised by a pharmacist before they get to patients. The exception being Over the Counter (OTC) medications.

Kewekubosineh:
Three additional states for Southwest before sourheast gets additional state?

I think you are still feeling from melancholy derived from miasma of ignorance about Nigerian federalism.

It's additional state for southeast or we rock the boat!😔

Don’t mind them. That is the Forty Acres and a Mule mentality they had before voting nonsense.

Just that they are working with availability resources but there are actually some hoyer lifts that can carry up to 660lbs. Those would be more functional and provide some decency to the patient.

madridguy:
I sincerely wish Nnamdi Kanu listen to me back then...I shout tire, form a party with your followers and send your boys to the National assembly, their bills always will be your vision.

I said it times without number that someone will hijack his movement, and also hijack his followers and today no one is talking about Kanu again but the Agulu liar. Nnamdi Kanu is cooling inside the prison while the opportunist his jumping around enjoying what Nnamdi Kanu laboured for.

The king of lamba will be somewhere praying for Kanu not to get his freedom so he can continue to enjoy his sweat.

Learn from history. How is what you are prescribing different from what Ojukwu did?
Nothing can change the gang up against the Igbos in Nigeria.
Even if Kanu decides to join APC tomorrow, he will still be disgraced like they recently did to Amechi.

The story lacks details.

Akpi don dey bleach.

That boy looks more like the mother than CCP

By 2027, only native doctors would be left. Elections have consequences.

Don’t they like their BRICS fellows anymore. Why run to US when they could have gone to China or Russia.

You guys should know that plaiting of hair is just cultural and has no known root in the Bible or Christianity. There is no verse in the Bible that specifically talked about plaiting of hair. The only place that is close to that is where the Bible says men should not put on things that belong to a woman, and women are expected to follow the same rule .

However what pertains to woman covers a lot in many different cultures. And they could greatly differ. In Scotland cultural attire, men wear skirt, also in many African cultures men tie wrappers. Even, in most western cultures women wear trousers (pair of pants) . We can’t say they are all wrong. God is not an author of confusion.

Now what pertains to a man or woman could actually mean a piece of clothing or in this case, a hair piece that was previously worn by a man or woman. For instance, that verse in the Bible could be talking about to avoid putting on your brothers’ or your husband or male relatives clothing if you are a female.

JetStar:
Mumu it is about having sex with a woman. Once a man ejaculates and discharges fluids into a woman, he must be willing to pregnate and bear the responsibility. The goal of the bill is to make men responsible for contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Currently, it is the woman that bears the brunt of that responsibility.

Let me ask you
If you borrow someone gun to go rob, and he is caught, don’t you think you would be charged with accessory to a crime?
Same here, if a woman knowing fully well that she is not ovulating, allows a man to release into her, she would be charged with accessory to a crime as well.

helinues:
Revenge

Before your students can think/plan of attacking you, you are probably not a good person

Modified: Before some people will start attacking my comments senselessly, think about it . Before your students can plan of attacking you, you must have also be a bad person.

If you had being a teacher before, close to a teacher, then you can understand

And this is somebody’s Uncle.

It’s not everyone you see that you should pardon as a governor. The problem with Nigeria is that we don’t follow procedures.
Pardon should be by recommendation of parole officers. The inmate must exhibit good observable behavior before they are recommended for pardon.