Culture › Re: 119 Villages Abolish Osu Caste System Practice In Nsukka by SlayerForever: 5:00pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
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Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 9:58pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
A lot of times we're discussing about loan words and unique words in our various dialects and influence from other languages. But who is asking "how did the language come to be?", "What is its origin?", "How has the language morphed over the ages?(I hypotesise that if we hear Igbo from a thousand years ago we may only just understand it a bit. Not fully. And many will be shocked). How expansively spoken was the language spoken, what area did spoken Igbo cover exactly, how far northwards, westwards and easternly did Igbo go? etc etc
I don't see anybody asking these. |
Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 9:52pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: I’m a bit confused on why you’ll state that your grouping is not based on an in-depth study, then ask what others think (all of whom have disagreed), yet you disagree with them all.
So on what basis are you disagreeing? Was your grouping actually based on an a deeper study? If so, why hide that? If you’ve got any novel information or considerations that informed your attempt to group the various lects, feel free to share it.
I don’t know about most, but I know there are at least a handful of NL’ders that would be interested in learning how, why and what informed your grouping. First paragraph. Lol. I'm just like that. One would have to disprove my point beyond reasonable doubt before I yield. Considerations, hmm. I do have reasons why I have tried to group the various dialects. However my reasons are beyond just lexicology and linguistics. I'm looking more at origin. In essence, I'm asking "why do the dialects sound so different in the first place, but similar enough amongst themselves such that they can be grouped". Different origins but one root? Different progenitors(but all related) for the main dialect clusters? With each having a different fancy for some words as against others? How did the difference come about on that basic level(I dont mean influence from other groups as in borrowed words and accent. That is usually at the top. Like superficial). I'm just really into details and I find patterns interesting. For it to now be my own language in question, you can imagine. |
Politics › Re: Why Is The Nigerdelta Silent? What's Our Use In This Forum As Regards Sovreignty by SlayerForever: 1:38pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Sufferingboy: List prominent people from afikpo make I counter you. You want to mention Ogbemudia, Irabor and Rivers state CP again.
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Politics › Re: Imo Attack: IGP Adamu Arrives Owerri, Security Beefed Up by SlayerForever: 1:34pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
They can kill him o. But they will take avoidable damage. |
Culture › Re: Itsekiri Are Part Of The Greater Oduduwa Family- Ooni by SlayerForever: 9:59pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
Juliusmalema: Eze Nri migrated from Ile Ife to Igboland and stopped eating Ewedu and Amala.......stirred with toilet broom .
This is one of the reasons I hardly read researches from Nigeria because it is weak, lazy articles with no substance and above all full of unsubstantiated gibberish.
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Politics › Re: Breaking: Njaba LGA Secretariat Attacked, Army Checkpoints Burnt In Imo by SlayerForever: 3:55pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
Unbelievable. |
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Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 2:28pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
ThumbzTNA: Afikpo can be grouped with Ohafia, Arochukwu, Bende dialects of Abia. If you have ear for one, you'll understand the rest
Some words unique to this dialect are
Jokwa - Well-done, Good morning. Greetings generally
Kaa - Sorry
Okpogo - Money
Mie - blood etc Kaa unique? Kaa is common across Waawa in Enugu. Mie sounds familiar too. |
Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 11:16am On Apr 05, 2021 |
Probz: Izzi’s the most divergent of them all. Hmm I see. |
Politics › Re: Unknown Gunmen Attack Army Check Point In Ukworji,along Owerri Road. by SlayerForever: 11:16am On Apr 05, 2021 |
Unbelievable. |
Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 10:44am On Apr 05, 2021 |
Probz: 4. Izzi (Abakaliki) 5. Ezza-Mgbo.-Ikwo 6. Afikpo (somewhere between 3 and 5 in terms of grouping)
Maybe if you added these your list would be a bit more comprehensive. I've heard Ezza. I would group it under 2, it's just really divergent such that one would think it is unique. I haven't heard it's sister tones but I'd wager it's the same case. Same applies to Afikpo. With the accent. |
Politics › Re: Who Are The Unknown Gunmen In The SE by SlayerForever: 10:11am On Apr 05, 2021 |
Unknown gunmen are frustrated Igbo youths who have taken to militancy. They are not ESN. However their actions are too extreme and erratic. |
Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 9:12am On Apr 05, 2021 |
RedboneSmith: This doesn't even begin to cover it. 
It can't get much further than this classification. |
Crime › Re: Imo State Police Headquarters attacked, Burned (Video) by SlayerForever: 7:25am On Apr 05, 2021 |
Why are they freeing prisoners? That is bad for our people. |
Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 4:10pm On Apr 04, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: Yes, and there is such a thing as insufficient. A set of parameters that only defines two or three “main dialect groups” is insufficient for delineating all surviving lects. Haha. Okay. |
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Politics › Re: Umuigbo Uche Unu Adikwia? by SlayerForever(op): 11:09am On Apr 04, 2021 |
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Culture › Re: How Correct Is This Igbo Dialect Grouping by SlayerForever(op): 8:58am On Apr 04, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: That is an oversimplification. So I’ll ultimately say it’s unfounded. Here is the truth.
There are two major isoglosses. We will call them Isogloss-A and Isogloss-B; A & B for short. They are characterized by the following features:
1. Switch between h/r. A uses h, B uses r. 2. Switch between r/l. A uses r, B uses l. 3. Switch between h/f. A uses h, B uses f. 4. Switch between l/n. A uses l, B uses n.
Due to the the fact that the idea of “Igbo” is hyper focused on Anambra primarily and then Imo secondarily, the impression now exists that this isogloss dichotomy is an Anambra-Imo thing. By effect, it is treated as a “Northern Igbo”-“Southern Igbo” thing. This is far from the truth and the picture is more complex.
There are are communities in A that use f and not h (with regards to this switching). There are communities in B that use h and not r (with regards to this switching). Long story short, these two isoglosses are not sufficient enough to characterize all existing lects. Likewise, an “isogloss list” that separates Waawa, but does not separate the old Bende group of lects is not well-put-together.
So no. Igbo cannot be separated into only three major lectal groups. We will need more than that to fully characterize and delineate all the surviving lects. The Bende group should be able to fall into one main group. Anyway it depends on the parameters one uses to distinguish and group the dialects. |