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Sman37:
Hahahahah
Christian ar all suffering from the spiritual cos Allah has cos dem all, it says
'' them christian are spiritual deaf, dumb and blind, no matter how simpl, easy and clear the truth u tell them they wil never hear or how lucid the truth u show them they wl never see except of them that Allah has guide to the truth''
Am asking all christians where did bible said Jesus is the biological son of God?
Bible said we are all children of God does that mean God is our Father hann mr/mrs christians?
Children can grow to be son or daughter so that mean we are also son of God and daughter of God does that mean God is our Father?
No verse or chapter in any bibles that said jesus is the biological son of God.
Clear example is some pastors are called father too by there fellow church members does that mean the pastor is there biological father mr,mrs christians?
An old man or woman aged like ur father can call u his or her son or daughter that does not mean he or she is ur biological father or mother
thank u mr and mrs christians i suggested its time u accept and searche for the whole truth
its only in bible u wil read a simpl ordinary sentence not idioms, not proverb and not indirect sentence and them pastors and christians will be deceiving them selves that the meaning of the verse is deferent from sentence dat make d vers how stop deceiving ur selves my brother and sisters instead u should be searching for the true meaning of the verses and chapters not d false mean ur pastors ar giving you
tanks ya all.

This will really help you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJwqsSlx0I

phanshark:
but, do u know that the old testiment is the shadow of the new? & do you know that christ also said that He has not come to abolish the words of the prophets? if this is correct, which means that,the livite are the pastors & you dont expect us in the 21ist century to still maintain the same store house as of old. the tite is mainly 4 the upkeep of the pastors & also 4 maintaining the house of God just as it was in the days of old.if you say that people abuse it,then we are in same page,but to say that is not in the new testament i disagree wit you. Except you can prove to me that jesus is not in the old testament. Pls lets educate each order.

Levites are not equivalent of pastors. That's totally incorrect! Levites where not also priests. I hope you know that. Levite's were workers in the temple. They did all kind of jobs from carpentry to goldsmith

pete26:
when you give your offerings to God how does he get it?

He doesn't get it. He doesn't need it. The only offering he takes is worship. What yoiu give is used or eating by men

winningwinner:
Kai this boy! I am a pastor, I don't EAT tithe, it belongs to God! Have you given me your tithe before? You wrote this because you are guilty of not paying tithe abi? Be careful, lest you be another bad christian!

Offerings and tithe are giving to take care of men, not God. The only kind of offering giving to God had to be burnt. God does not eat human food

Ubenedictus:
God the son had a mother gal 4:4 God sent his son born of a woman

The day God has a mother, he stops being God. That is a pagan concept. If you serve a Good that has a mother, you are an idol worshipper

thesicilian:
Yeah, I agree.
I think people just naturally divide the Bible into old & new testaments based on what the publishers have done: Genesis to Malachi, and Matthew to Revelation.
Anyone who has actually taken time to read and meditate on this issue will see that New testament actually begins from the teachings of Jesus to His disciples and afterwards.

The new testament begins after the ressurection. All of Jesus ministry until His death was in the old testament. But in His teachings, he clearly taught many things that should come in the new but tithe was never one of those

Babayoutoomuch:
Weldone @op. I personally don't think church wedding is a sin.Heb 13:4.I did traditional so that bride price be paid.We went to registry to fulfill the law of the land and church for God's blessing.

The issue of tithe in new testament its really not clear.Our Lord Jesus taught on a lot of issues ranging from forgiveness to love,giving, sharing,Praying,Fasting and a host of others BUT really he didn't teach on tithe.The apostles peter,Paul,James, John etc taught on so many Christian living doctrines BUT did not mention tithe not even paul that wrote almost half of d NT.
My conclusion is this I CANNOT OUTGIVE GOD.

Christmas.Paul wrote if anyone esteem a particular day its unto God and if another fellow feels otherwise its unto the Lord in all let Christ be glorified.

If you want to give, by all means do. But then, giving is mainly to the needy not to glorified men for use in building sctrutures and empires. That in itself is wrong. The giving that was mentioned in the acts of the apostles had nothing to do with giving to men of God. It also had nothing to do with giving so that God will give you back and make you rich. Collections were made so that those who didnt have enough could be helped. That was why deacons were appointed. The disciples never collected the offerings for themselves and, mind you, there were no denominations then. Paul and some others also made collections so they could help missionaries in the field. No one acquired great wealth for themselves. The whole concept of giving we see today is clearly not Christian. That is why they clearly put more emphasis in using money to build structures and material things than helping people. But they lie to the congregation that they are pushing the gospel. Look around you, they are not helping anyone but themselves

linusbnn:
Read to the end of that james verse and stop dragging me back

You want me to paste the whole chapter for you? It doesnt change anything in my post

thesicilian:
A new angle to the argument I must say. But an argument can also be made that Jesus Christ here was talking to the Pharisees (Old Testament), and not his disciples(we Christians).
I think this requires looking into.

1. Jesus never said in that scripture Christians should pay tithe. He was talking to Jewish people in the old testament and simply acknowledged that paying tithe for them wasnt wrong but they should do the more important things in the law

2. That statement was made in the old testament, not in the new. The new testament started after Jesus rose from the dead. I dont know why those who quote that scripture always miss that simple fact

paechocs:
if you have conscience,, do what's good ..sometimes the bible contradicts

The bible never contradicts. What contradicts are the doctrines and narratives that have been taught for centuries as truth. If you want to understand the bible, start from Genesis. Understand the laws of God and the place of Israel and the prophecies of Christ. By the time you get to the new testament, you will

1. Realise our its all tied together
2. See the whole process flow
3. Realise that many doctrines today are trash and not founded on scriptures

linusbnn:
Please i'm not enslaved nd my church does not push pple into be enslaved. In james,cannot Remb the chapter say, "is any1 sick,let him visit the priest so oil will be poured on him". I said except otherwise in my last write up, nd it means except you have proves that these religious leaders are not righteous. Please Read James 5:13-18. Thank you.

James 5:14King James Version (KJV)

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

First he said elders of the church, not priest or pastor. Notice he said elders not elder? So he wasnt referring to one person. He was referring to a group of people who he later described as those who have learnt the scriptures and grown and therefore had better understanding. He wasnt talking about someone who was given a certificate by a seminary.

Secondly, where did he say that the elders of the church are more special or their prayers were more answerable than prayers from others? Jesus said to us to ask and ye shall receive. All through scriptures, we are told to ask, not tell someone to ask for us. But then, if you belong to a local congregation, there is nothing wrong for your fellow brethren or local leaders to come together to pray for you or with you. Jesus clearly told us that where two or three of us are gathered, he His there. He also told us that if two of you shall agree concerning anything, it shall be done for you. This has nothing to do with some men being special before God.

James said clearly that "the prayer of faith shall heal the sick" He didnt say the prayer of the priest or pastor but the prayer of faith

linusbnn:
Ok. Thank you. The bible does not change,it is the same ages past and ages to come. The bible said mary will conceive and bear a son and his name will be Jesus Christ.

So God started or came into being the day Mary gave birth?

linusbnn:
The mother of Jesus Christ is Mary.

First and foremost, Mary's motherhood ended the day she died. There is nothing like motherhood in heaven. Only idol worship proclaim such. I have already shown you scriptures where God frowned at such doctrine and worship. Jesus said clearly that in heaven, there is neither male nor female. So the suggestion that Jesus still has a mother is both false and ridiculous

malvisguy212:
you said christmas was a pagan festival, right ? Will the early church leader celebrate christmas if it is a pagan ritual ? What evidence do you have that this church leader wanted to incorporate christmas with peganism ? I believe they were only influence with the date setting and not the manner of celebration.

I have said already so many times on this thread that the Church leaders never celebrated Christmas.

They rejected every pagan festival. The early Church leaders were mostly Jews who would never celebrate any pagan festival or even acknowledge it. They only celebrated the feasts of God. Pentecost, Trumpets, Jubilee, Passovers, etc. The people that celebrated Christmas were the catholic church from constatine and these people hunted and persecuted the early church vigorously

malvisguy212:
do you know that saturday was name after the pagan god name saturn ? What if your birthday fall on saturday, will you celebrate it ? For God sake, people, this pagans gods do NOT exist.

Provide evidence that the early church leaders wanted to join the practice with christmas with ?

I still dont understand your question? Can you make it clear? Evidence of what? Thanks

linusbnn:
I used that as an example and everybody runs to his/her spiritual leader in difficult time and even in good time for one purpose or the other. They are righteous except proved otherwise

First, there is nothing like spiritual leaders in Christianity that we are supposed to run to. Those are terms used to create false foundations for false doctrines. Church leaders are administrators, not people who are closer to God more than the rest of us. Many of them might actually be very far from God like we see today and like Jesus acknowledged inthe book of Revelation

Church leaders/administrators are not righteous by their names title or positions. They are just men like everyone one else. They have no special rigtheous status befoe God and God does not regard their prayers more than anyone else. Of course, they have taught you in your denomination to believe otherwise so they can enslave you

malvisguy212:
alright, provide evidence that the early church leaders wanted to incorporate pagan worship with christmas.

I dont understand your question bro.

But for the record, the early church leaders rejected all the pagan celebrations including Christmas. These celebrations where introduced and enforced by the Catholic church. The early church leaders were Jews and they never endorsed any of those pagan festivals. It was pure idol worship that could never mix with Gods way

linusbnn:
We see her worthy of our intercession. We honour her because she is the mother of our saviour. Is it clear to you now?

Who asked you to see her as anything? You are supposed to follow the scriptures if you truly are a follower of Christ, not conjure up some sentimental feeling or activity that the bible never asked you to

malvisguy212:
you made a very good point. You said the early christian join them, meaning they were influence by the date setting. But the celebration is DIFFIRENT from the pagans.

The early Christians did not join the celebration of Christmas. They would never join such a pagan festival. The early Christians were also mainly Jews. The only feasts they celebrated were the feasts of God. Passover, Trumpets, First fruits, Jubilee, etc

tmanuelle:
Tell them

I have corrected that already. The early Christians never joined them in the celebration of Christmas

linusbnn:
Pray for one another,have you not come across it b4?.

How is praying for one another the same thing as running to a priest or pastor? Is your wife not "one another"? Are your friends and neighbours who are Christians not "one another"?

malvisguy212:
christmas tree is not in the bible, call it sin or not, it non of my business. Exchanging gift , is it wrong ? Christians gather to sing praises to God during christmas carol, is it wrong ?

It is wrong if you go and study the meaning of all these thngs you have listed. I hope you dont think these things just started from the blues. They are practices that were transfered from pagan worship. I would want to derail the thread so I wouldnt go into details of those practices.

Simple question for you is:

If the Olokun or Ogun practices in your village are tranfered to your local church services, would you accept them?

malvisguy212:
celebrating christmas is your choice. The apostles also do not organize love fist, but today in church, we do this things, is it a sin ?

I one sense celebrating Christmas would be ok as a personal choice. But the present Christmas you celebrate is a pagan festival created by pagans and fixed on a pagan date. That is a problem for any Christian. It means you are now officially celebrating a pagan festival whether you want to agree with it or not

linusbnn:
Lobbying is allowed. Bible said the prayer of the righteous is appreciated more. That is why we run to those who we see as priests nd pastors.

So the priest is the righteous?

And no where were you asked to run to anyone. You are asked to come boldly to God not to run to some priest or pastor. Running to a priest or pastor is a practice that was created to enslave men.

linusbnn:
Jesus in john 19:25-27 called mary mother,who are you to think otherwise?

John 19:25-27King James Version (KJV)

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


Please where did Jesus call Mary His mother here?

linusbnn:
She displayed her intercession at the marriage feast at cana. Is it not biblical?

She did not display any intercession. You are conjuring things up!

The wine was finished. She asked Jesus to please help out? How is that displaying intercession? So many people asked Jesus for things throughout His ministry, not just Mary. Should we also ask all those people to pray for us? Your assertion is just absurd!

linusbnn:
Is jesus God?

Jesus is God and thats why He rejected Mary as His real mother. Mary was just a vessel he had to use to enter earth. Mary died just like every other human and will be judged in the last day like everone else. Jesus said clearly that he had a different father from Jospeh and didnt even mention Mary as a mother. Jesus created Mary and Mary cannot become the mother of her creator. Does that even make any iota of sense or meaning to you?

linusbnn:
Does that change her from being her mother?. Read John 19:25-27

Mary is human just like everyone else. Jesus is God from heaven. To claim that a mere woman created by God is now a mother to God is not only ridiculous, it is heretical!

linusbnn:
And she cannot plead for u even when a living being can plead for you. Broda try believe that Mary is not just an ordinary woman. She is close to the heart of God and that is why she found favour from God. I believe there were million women during her time. I honour her.

You are talking your personal sentiments, not scriptures. That you feel your physical mother has the right to plead for you to your neighbours doesnt confer on Mary any speacial right to plead for you. There is no where in the bible you are told Mary can or should plead for you. You are told to come boldly to the throne of God (Grace) and obtain mercy. Not ask someone to plead for you

linusbnn:
Jesus said I and my father are one. If Mary is the mother of jesus,then she is the mother of God. Mary was prepared for the life circle of jesus and thus,she was a fulfilled woman who is worthy of a crown. Whether you like it or not, Mary is our mother and she intercedes. Pple lie down to greet the mother,wife of a president,governor etc.....

God has no mother. Thats totally heretical. Once you talk about the mother of God, you have become an idol worshipper who worships semiramis who is also called the queen of heaven. See what God says about those who worship the queen of heaven

Jeremiah 7:16-19King James Version (KJV)

16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the Lord: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

dreams1987:
I don't know how u see it buh the important thing there is the significance of the birth of christ. If a day set aside for a roman god has now been converted to celebrate the birth of our lord Jesus then its a wonderful thing. As long as the significance of Jesus christ's birth is know then its a good thing

There is no where you are supposed to celebrate the significance of the birth of Christ. There are things you are supposed to celebrate and they clearly spelt out in scriptures. Why create new ones that nobody sent you to? Because those that created it were pagans who wanted to carry their pagan worship into Christianity. So why join them and approve their practice?

seunselGic:
If you are not pleased with celebrating Christmas on the 25th of Dec. you are free to choose any other day, what's important is celebrate it in righteousness. Come to think of it, if Dec. 25th was dedicated to celebrate idol in the days of ignorance what is wrong with choosing same day to celebrate the living God. To me it means the defeat of satan. Praise God!

Actually, there is no where in the bible that we are supposed to celebrate the birth of Christ. No where. There is a reason the birth of Christ celebration was introduced. It is pure a pagan and devilish reason. We are supposed to celebrate the feasts of God, not som eman made celebrations