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sarutobie:
You my friend is going in circles.. According to your third point , What exactly is your point? Someone gives 10% wholeheartedly and the other gives half his belongings wholeheartedly, no coercion whatsoever..so what then is all the vituperation? OK maybe we should scrap the name "tithe"and start giving half of our belongings monthly like the early Christians did..will that make you happy then?

Point of correction again:

The disciples did not give half their belongings monthly. I dont know where you got that from. They gave as they deemed fit. Some gave all, others gave some. And it wasnt stated that it was periodic.

The only thing that interests me is for a child of God to know the truth of God's word. Whether it hurts or not. If you establish the wrong doctrine, it will always lead to the wrong foundation and continue on and on. The truth must always be taught

abbeytoyin:
There shouldn't be confusion in paying tithe.
Some of us that pay tithe and first fruit offering sincerely have witnessed the benefits thereof.
Please, don't discourage anyone from paying tithe, rather pray to God for Him to show you the mystery of paying tithe and first fruit offerings. It may interest you to know that Jesus did not come to abolish any law from the old testament but to save us from the repercussion of the law which our forefather could not adhered to.
The conclusion of the matter is that...
Pay your tithe always and leave the rest to God.
Are you not not quick to say "Abraham blessings are mine" but we don't want to pay the sacrifice...
Ask the holy spirit to reveal the mind of God to you in paying tithe...
Be a broken christian...
Give always... remember, giving is different from paying tithe.

When you say you have witnessed the benefits, I find it funny.

Are you saying unbelievers who dont pay tithe dont get financial increase. Do you know the richest men in the world are not Christians? People make millions and billions everyday without paying tithe. God does not need people to pay tithe before He blesses them

1stCitizen:
Ok tithing na for only farmers. Bro your money is your milk from the land.....your produce

Not true. There was money in the time of Abraham and all through the time of Moses and the rest. But they never tithed money. You do not tithe money. Read Deut 14 from verse 22

Manueleee:
Tithe is something many dont understand. Sumtimes i laf d way sum young guys give dia tithe. Sum will b gving 500 evry sunday. For me, i prefair to give it onec a month base on my salary.
Mal 3:10 is always effective to any christain dat pays his tithe. I rember wen my salary was 12k evry month my tithe should b 1200. So i d next month i made a prayer holdin my tithe. Askin God for increase of salary, so i gave 1500 as tithe. After dat tithe dat sunday, not upto 3days my salary was increased to 15k. Since dat day, i stop joking wit my tithe.

So why did you stop at 15k? Why didnt you just continue till you become the richest man in the world?

LEGALAide:
Yet you (your pastors) never learn.
That's why it'll appear next Sunday even!
Until it sinks in properly!

I think you should also have the right perspective bro. If you think your article or message is going to stop people from giving tithes to their church, then you are also missing it. Your job should be to put the truth out there. Those who will read it and get it will. It is not your place to harvest the tares from the wheat. People get what they seek. If they seek materialism, they will always end up with those who will give them that kind of message and they will always respond. But there are those who are simply ignorant and they are those who will need to read and learn God's word

sarutobie:
And it didn't say we shouldn't tithe either...Christ and his apostles taught us that we should give our all, that we should share our belongings with the needy, the widows,the inmates, the sick...that was how the early Christians acted..they sold their stuffs,brought it together in their meetings and shared among each other...since you say tithing shouldn't be done,how many times have YOU kept to the examples of Christ and his followers in the new testament?

First, you are arguing backwards my brother. The issue is simple

1. There is no instruction for us to tithe in the new testament.

2. Like you acknowlegded, there is an instruction to keep; cheerfully and willingly, not of compulsion

3. You seem to assume that because someone refuses the tithing doctrine, it means he or she does give. This is quite funny. One of the biggest givers in the world is bill gates who is not a Christian and who does not tithe. So how you connect givers to only those who pay tithes is funny. I have seen many Churches were they dont ephasize giving and they still get people giving in multimillions. People will freely give if they see you are using it for a good cause. they dont need to be coarsed

sarutobie:
The fact that tithes have been abused by a lot of greedy men masquerading as preachers of the gospel does not make tithing a sin..Infact in the days of the apostles, the early Christians gave more than a 10% of their properties when they met together for fellowship..so what is the grouse here? That Christians these days give 10%? According to the practices of the Christians the OP(and others of same thought) use as a template,10% isn't even enough! Ananias and his wife were struck down dead because they gave little and tried to cover it up with lies..Christ told a rich young Jewish man who wanted to be perfect to give away ALL that he had and follow him..but the lad went away disappointed.. A lot of people say they will rather give to the poor than pay tithes,this is good BUT they don't even do that! It is just a way for them to justify not parting with their money.. When you can't give 10% of your monthly earning, how then can you share half your earnings among fellow Christians and the poor just like the apostles and the early Christians did? You can't give what you don't have..

The issue isnt about whether you should give or not. You can give all you have. Thats totally up to you. The fact is the new testament does not instruct a Christian to tithe 10% of their income. If it isnt there, it isnt there. It is that simple

And the claim that those who debunk the tithing doctrine dont give is very laughable. Some of the biggest givers I know are those who dont pay tithe. Its a lame argument

osothermal:
OP you are very wrong read the word of God very well and stop deceiving children of God. You said tithing is an old testament thing? Children of God mattew 23 from vs 23 Jesus criticizing the religious leaders calling them hypocrites that they are careful to TITHE even the tiniest income but ignore the more important teaching of justice,mercy and faith. Jesus said "You should TITHE yes, but don't neglect the more important things. My dear read ur Bible very well and let it guide you .
I AM A TITHER and its working for me

First, Matthew 23:23 is not new testament. The new testament started after Christ ressurected from the dead. Maybe you never tought of that before you made your post.

And also important for you to know what tithing really is. This is Deutoronomy 14. See the instruction on tithing

22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

sarutobie:
That bible quotation is why I have refrained from unecessary arguments that won't further the gospel.. Christ in that passage made it clear that inasmuch as there are more important things a Christian should do,the other 'less' important ones shouldn't be neglected either..that passage made it crystal clear..from the mouth of the divine high priest himself..that passage puts this thread to rest..

That passge does not say you and every Christian should go and tithe. Where does it say that? Please tell

emerged01:
Technically,it says all laws need to be followed. Lesser or no lesser. It is called hypocrisy to practice one without the other.

Does your all laws also include,

1. Do not plant yaw and cassava in the same farm?

2. Do not wear a shirt of 30% polyester and 60% cotton?

Should I go on?

emerged01:
It says tithing was a lesser even in the law, does that mean it has been abolished? Though it is has been elevated to one of the most important things christianity but it still has to do with individual decision.

Again, I will repeat:

1. It says the pharisees could tithe. Under the law of Moses and the Levitical Priesthood which was still in effect, they were supposed to tithe. But the levitical priesthood ended when Jesus died on the cross. That is why there was no record of tithing with the church in the acts of the apostles or the epistles

The verse does not say you or every Christian should tithe. It wasnt an instruction or command to go and tithe. He was reprimanding the pharisees for paying tithes while they ignored more important things. As at the time Jesus said it, tithing was still in effect in Isreal. The Jews were expected to tithe under the levitical preisthood. I think that should be clear enough

Btruth:
Aren't the Pastors the new Levites now?

No! Emphatic NO!

In fact, this is one big error being taught today. We are all priests and kings unto God. Every born again believer! Rev 5:20

Pastors are simply administrative leaders in local assemblies

1stCitizen:
Op stop trying to decieve people. Below is a verse in the new testament highlighted where Jesus acknowledges the importance of tithing.

If you don't want to tithe no one is forcing you but leave others that want to do so after all its their money and not yours.


Matthew 23:23
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Where in this verse does it say you should tithe? are you a pharisee? Please tell me

emerged01:
What can you say about Matthew 23 vs 23?

Matthew 23:23 is clear:

1. It says the pharisees could tithe. Under the law of Moses and the Levitical Priesthood which was still in effect, they were supposed to tithe. But the levitical priesthood ended when Jesus died on the cross. That is why there was no record of tithing with the church in the acts of the apostles or the epistles

2. It says tithing was a lesser matter even in the law and was not as important as justice, mercy, and faith. Today, tithing has been elevated to one of the most important things in Christianity

charlespaker:
Endtime op, seeking every logical way to disobey a simple commandment.you can dig as way back as creation,what it is,is still what its. Thank God u quoted James 1:5 cuz u really it. Spiritism is not 1+1.
#AproudTithePayer

A simple commandment from who? God or Men? You shouldnt follow men. You should read your bible for yourself

LEGALAide:
My God bless all of us as we read and meditate on this piece.
REMEMBER: GO TO CHURCH!
Read also my previous article: "Alcohol, Good Or Evil: What The Bible Teaches"
https://www.nairaland.com/2705132/alcohol-good-evil-what-bible
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Good article. I will add a few things:

1. The storehouse in Malachi 3:10 was not the synagogue or temple. They were warehouses to store the tithe since the tithe was food crops and animals. Tithe was never money. The isrealites never paid tithes of money

2. There were 3 types of tithing and you were expected to eat your tithe alont with your family, the orphans, widows, strangers and levites

3. The levities received tithes because they didnt have any portion in the land. They would have starved without tithes and that was why God spoke up in Malachi 3:10. Yy do not tithe to people that work and earn a living

4. The isrealites never paid tithes to the priests. Tithes were paid to the levities and the levites paid tithes to the priest. The priests then paid tithes to the high priest

Many doctrines you find in Christianity today are not founded on the bible. They are just handed donw from generation to generation without question. a lot of them are founded on paganism and babylonian practices

StOla:
So in all of this episode, what you hope to propagate is that an Emir who had no business with Ese or Bayelsa is the kidnapper and paedophile?

All Sanusi ever did to merit the hate of a region of this country was to disclose that money earned refused to accrue to NNPC.

Sanusi is Emir in Kano, he has no business with you unless you are an economic refugee in Kano. He has no need for your support, as he will not be contesting any national political office

Shame on you and your kind who hate a man for being upright in the midst of presidential enabled theft, and passionate about his faith within his own territory and people.

Shame on you for believing an allegation for which you have no proof that your accused made such promise.

The Sanusi of your narrative shouldn't have stopped at the jeep and house promise for every lazy Muslim who marries a Christian. He should have also vacated the throne of Emir for the Muslim who can marry as much Christian girls as possible in a day.

Is this your best line of argument? Is this your best alibi go get Sanusi off the hook? I have bad news for you...It is very lame

For your information, this same Sanusi was arrested by Abacha in 1996 over the killing of Gideon Akaluka in Kano and he was thrown into prison by Abacha and was almost killed but for the intervention of some powerful northern leaders. Maybe you were too small or not even born then to remember. So tell me about the saint Sanusi again?

Reptyle:
Stop been such a doofus my friend. Grow up and stop all the hate. It is killing you slowly and you do not even know it.

What happened to Ese Oruru is unfortunate. But this harebrained attempt to rope the Emir of Kano into the foolish crime of a young and misguided youth is disengenuous.

Just hear yourself. I truly feel sorry for you. Your statements shows you are one of the same kind

1. All the evidence that has come out so far has shown that Sanusi is complicit in the crime.

2. The girl was actually held captive in Sanusi's palace.

3. Sanusi claimed he gave an order that was not carried out. How could he have given an order and it was not carried out for months and he didnt ask questions?

4. Now as we speak, over 6 more cases have been reported which proves that this is not a one off incidence. This is a trend. This is not a case of a randy girl. It is a deliberate and systematic abduction process by some powerful northern leaders

So keep talking bumkum there thinking you can sweep this under the carpet. You wont be able to

AZeD1:
So you expect a President to make decisions based on YouTube videos?


How's does watching it show he is concerned?



When he can say no?

Do you know how stupid you sound?

You are making a fool of yourself in public. Please go back to school

isbish:
When you hate a people, there is no limit to what lies you can continue spreading just to keep denting the alteady dented image of those people. Enough of all this blatant lies. So pathetic.

I feel sorry for you because yu think your falsehood will linger forever. You are going around destroing lives and property and you think judgement will not catch up with you one day? You will sure have your day!

Reptyle:
I do not know what you folks have to gain by spreading this falsehood all over social media.

I do not know what you have to gain by trying to defend a kidnapper and idiotic pedeophile! Shame on you and your kind! Even after all the evidence that has come out to show that Sanusi is a monster, you chose to still defend him. Big big shame on you

LeStylo:
These lies are getting INSANE!

The northern ruling class have been doing this for a long time. They have been rightly exposed

Adminisher:
Thats the worst mum in the world speaking. You exposed your 13 year old daughter to strange men and instead of looking up to God for forgiveness you are spreading lies.

Some of you just talk nonsense just because you are from a certain tribe or religion. Do you know what the mum had to go through to get her daughter back? Your mum can't even do half of that for you. She almost got lynched in Kano trying to get her daughter. Instead of calling out the useless Sanusi who kidnapped a child, you are insulting a great mother who went all the distance to get her kid back. Pathetic

The mother of Ese Oruru, the young girl who was kidnapped and taken to Kano has revealed that the Emir of Kano may be more culpable in the matter than he had initially let on.

According to Mrs. Oruru, Muhammad Sanusi II encouraged the kidnap of her young daughter by promising his subjects that anybody that brought a Christian girl from another state and converted her to Islam would be rewarded with money, given a house, jeep and earn a salary, among other goodies.

Mrs. Oruru revealed this in an exclusive interview with Sun Newspapers.

So Yunusa who left Kano to Bayelsa to hustle was hustling for more than just his daily bread but a new lease on life as allegedly promised by the former CBN Governor and Kano emir

http://www.theheraldng.com/how-emir-of-kano-encouraged-yunusa-to-kidnap-ese-mom/

The federal government yesterday expressed disappointment at the public attitude towards the ongoing anti-graft war, lamenting that the people had not been angry enough about the scale of corruption perpetrated under different administrations in the past decades.

Aside, the federal government denied claims by the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) that the administration of President Muhammadu Buhari has been using the anti-graft agencies to witch-hunt its members.

The Minister of Information and Culture, Alhaji Lai Mohammed, lamented poor support for Buhari’s anti-corruption war among the masses at Lagos House, Ikeja, after a meeting with the state Governor, Mr. Akinwunmi Ambode, and other members of the State Executive Council.

At a session with journalists, the minister explained that the emphasis of the Buhari administration “is not just to talk about figure of how much has been embezzled. Even the figures are dizzy enough.”

Mohammed said the federal government was bothered about the public attitude towards the war against corruption, citing the fact that Nigerians “are not angry enough about the scale of corruption.”
The minister cited how the anti-graft agencies recovered N381million from the bank account of the wife of a former service chief, which he said was reported in some national dailies on Sunday.

He also referred to the case of Aide-de-Camp (ADC) to former President, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, Col. Ojogbane Adegbe, who admitted that he collected N10 billion for the purpose of the PDP campaign and delivered the same to Jonathan’s Special Adviser on Domestic Affairs.

Despite all these revelations, Mohammed lamented that it “is surprising that Nigerians have shown no anger about it. This is quite troubling. What borders us is that Nigerians are not angry enough about corruption.”
The minister therefore pointed out that the story “is not the same in other countries. In other climes, you will see people talking about it or doing something about it. We must understand that until we kill corruption, we are not going to make any headway.”

He debunked the claims of the PDP that the Buhari administration was hunting public officials who served in the Jonathan administration; neither was it out to vilify any person.

Mohammed explained the emphasis of the federal government, which he said, was designed to make the people know the cost of corruption on public life and national development.

He explained that the federal government “wants Nigerians to know what we are suffering as a result of corruption. When we had a news conference in January and disclosed that 55 people stole, N1.343 trillion between 2006 and 2013, what we wanted to emphasise was what one-third of the money would have done to Nigeria.”

The minister disclosed that the federal government used the World Bank benchmark “to measure what the money can be used for. We said the money would be able to redevelop Lagos-Ibadan expressway.
“It will be able to give us one ultra-modern hospital in each state of the federation. In addition, that money would have given 20,000 units of two-bedroom flat. The remaining will still take care 3,954 students from primary schools to tertiary level. In addition, it will build 183 state-of-the-art

schools.

“So, what we are trying to make Nigerians understand is that corruption is eating deep, not just into the fabrics of our morals, but it is preventing development. It is the reason 40 per cent of our children will live up to five years. We lose 40 percent of our infants before they are five years old.
“It is because of corruption. It is because of corruption we are in darkness all the time. It is because of corruption we needlessly lose lives to road accidents today,” the minister said.

At the meeting he had with the minister, Ambode vowed to transform the National Museum in Lagos to a modern-day cultural edifice which would be of international standard and equally pledged to partner the federal government to give facelift to federal infrastructure in the state.
The governor noted that he would collaborate with the federal government “to ensure the speedy completion of the project which he said will enhance the cultural heritage of Nigeria.

He said considering the strategic importance of culture and tourism to the identity of people, there was no better time for Lagos and the federal government to collaborate in driving the essence of culture with the view to improving on the situation on ground and thereby improve on the economy and develop the nation.

He said Onikan, where the museum is located, is a melting port of the cultural heritage of Lagos and Nigeria by extension, hence, serious efforts must be put in place to start to recreate the monument to adequately situate the history of the country.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/02/26/fg-laments-poor-public-support-for-anti-graft-war/

DollyB:
That's a lie. My brother Google has an office in Lagos....make your findings abeg!

Actually, that is not a Google office. They are agents who represent Google and quite frankly, they are useless as I have dealt with them before and they offer nothing. So Google does not have an office in Nigeria

nairayouthcom:
Nothing like will nor family lawyer

The biggest problem we have in Nigeria is ignorance. Ignorance produces fear and fear will make things worse

1. Forget about the threat of leaving school because even if the girl signs the documents, the uncle will still not send her to school. He has already shown he is a dishonest person. The uncle has already shown he cannot be trusted and is only interested in getting money for himself

2. She should get a lawyer to act for her from here on and immediately report the matter to a child right or women's right group. She should not make the mistake of standing alone

3. She should not for one minute think those people care for her if the incident happened the way you have described it.

4. Even if there is no will, she can still have access to her father's money and property as long as she in the only child. Her father's brothers have no right to her father's money or property.

5. She should never sign any document to sell her fathers property. If she must sell the property, she should do it herself through an established estate agency like Jide Taiwo or whatever agency exist in Ondo state. They might make some good money from her but it doesnt matter as long as she also makes something reasonable for herself

6. She should go and report the matter to the ministry of youths and women affairs. The best way to fight cases like these is to bring it to the open. Never fight in secret and never be sentimental. She is already in a bad spot. She must stand up for herself

I get the feeling there are other things you didnt reveal on this thread but that is fine. The important thing at the end of the day is to get proper directions on what to do

joseph1832:
Oh so you're saying the problems we are facing now started from 1960?

No! They started this morning!

What kind of yeye question is that? Where you born yesterday?

joseph1832:
Tell me, have you been living in Nigeria since 1999?

I have been living in Nigeria since I was born. Nigeria was not formed in 1999 and Nigeria was not good in 1999

So I ask again. What exactly is the damage done by PDP?

lonelydora:
The two words I disagree with are "kidnapped/abducted" and "Old Man". The girl wasn't abducted and the boy is not more than 20 years.

Girls of nowadays wants to eat the forbidden fruit by whatever means they have. Ese as a teenager wasn't ready to loose her man thereby decided to follow him to Kano so that no one will disturb her.

We all reside in Niger Delta where it is a norm for a girl to elope with a man without her parents consent to the extent of giving birth to children before the man will now pay her bride price years after. Ikwerre, Onne, etc are guilty of this.

I have seen so many cases in DSS where a girl is declared missing and later tracked to her boyfriend's house days after. There is one case as we speak that is yet to be uncovered.

We should be concerned with the marriage against her parents wish and not this kidnapp thing. The girl said she wants to become Muslim maybe out of INFATUATION and went to Kano. We should keep Politics and Religion aside.

In fact #FlogEseNow should be trending

A 14 year old girl was not abducted? Some of you are so wicked and shameless. You have lost all sense of humanity

Its a shame

joseph1832:
In my opinion, nine months is too early to judge. The damage done by the PDP is just too much for anybody to clear within this time.

I'll say we should be patient and wait for at least two years, then we can start voicing our disagreement and disappointment.

Please what exactly is the damage done by the PDP?

blackpanda:
Its only in your house tins are getting worse. Any honest person can see the sincerity of this administration. Mistakes may be made, but we see that Buhari truely means well for Nigeria. Its not about blind support, its about being honest and supporting the development of our country

He means well by travelling around the world and ignoring the country on every turn? A man who returns to his own country in a carnival when the economy is in turmoil? You guys are really making a big fool of yourselves.