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linusbnn:
If you like be the past pope,it does not make u a Mr.Right. I was an alter server and I went through my catechism with the zeal to know. Mary is the mother of Jesus and she has shown her way of interceding for us as recorded in the marriage feast at CANA. She was reffered to as blessed among woman and that she has found favour in the eyes of God by Angel Gabriel. Blessed is the man who is favoured by God. Read through the agony of jesus,his way to the cross and see how fervently she followed up to the death of his son and you feel his son will just abandon her pleads?. May she intercede for you.

Jesus Himself denied that Mary as His mother. First, when he was twelve years old, he told both Mary and Joseph that he had to go do His father's will. Obviously referring to a different father. When once Mary and his other brothers came to look for Him and someone informed Him that his mother and brothers were around, He said clearl, "Who is my Mother and brothers? Those who ae listening to me are my mother and brothers".

Again, when he was on the cross, He looked down and saw John and Mary and said to them "Son behold thy mother and mother, behold thy son".

Again, at the upper room, Mary had to wait like every other person to receive the Holy Spirit. There was no special treatment for Mary as mother of Jesus.

What is most heretical though is the term, mother of God. God has no mother. Mother of God is a heathen/pagan title giving to the goddess semiramis or astheroth. It is pure idol worship. Those who call Mary the mother of God also call her the queen of heaven. Heaven has no queen. Jesus even said to us clearly that in heaven, there are no males no females.

Advans:
there is nothing bad in choosing a date to celebrate birth but if u go down history lane, u will realize dt Dec 25 is a special day in Rome for celebrating an idol called MARS. D early Christians joined dem in d celebration and associate it wt d birth of Christ. Hence they formed CHRISTMAS frm christ-mars. Jst as d current Christians try to lured ppl into Christianity by advertising solution to hunger, poverty, barrenness e.t.c

Just a little correction here. The early Christians never joined the celebration of Christ's birthday nor adopted it. There is a misconception between the true early Christians and the false Christians. When constantine declared that everyone in the Roman empire were now Christians, the true Christians automoatically became a kind of "minority Christians". These never accepted nor adopted the pagan practices. But over centuries, the false Christians became like the normal representation of Christianity. The true Christians though, have always been and will always be there. They are called the remnant

Some of you are ignorant abou how the drivers licence process works. The fact it is not in their online database does not mean it is fake. It is false to assume that the FRSC database is accurate. It is not accurate. There are many licences from people who were rightly captured that are not in that database. There are many incidences of people who were captured and had to go back for recapture because their data was not found months after they have been captured. These people had their initial slips so the fault was from FRSC.

Secondly, when the FRSC says licences are fake, I always laugh because most of the fake licences are made by people inside the FRSC offices. The drivers licence process is so bad and crazy that most working people cannot make the time to go through it. You have to go there day after day for months before you can be captured. Not many people can make that time so people end up asking people inside the FRSC offices to assist them. The result is what the same FRSC call fake licences. They are very dishonest people and grossly incompetent

On one hand, I like the fact that the children involved include the orphans from the massacre. On the other hand I am livid with the Benue people. If the FG wont protect you, why sit there and die like chickens?

What is wrong with the middle belt?

Ofodirinwa:
And the damage in any other country never started right?


Post a buhari project and I'll stop humiliating you

You are talking to the wrong guy. Please check again

He should be commended for redeploying corruption? Tell me more

arresa:
You can not make any comparisons between Nigeria and Ethiopia unless you are ready to tell us that Ethiopia was looted dry and their leaders for 16 years left nothing behind to grow and diversify their economy.


Many of you just make claims as if you have amnesia about your own country and what damage was done to it in the last 16 years.

The damage done to Nigeria was done over 50 years and more dangerously within the last 16 years and it's definitely going to take more than 10 months to clean it up unless.

Two things recur in all your lies that shows them up as what they are:

1. That the last government left no money in the coffers and

2. That the damage in Nigeria started 16 years ago

kestolove95:
**** point one buhari budget and I will show u countless of his projects...hw can sumone work without budget?..

You mean he has been dormant since swearing in? Or are you also suggesting his travel expenditure is outside the budget?

Your excuse is very lame. If he wanted to run a project, he would have. I hope you also know that the reason the 2016 budget is not passed yet is because he tried to steal through it but was found out.

LEGALAide:
DEEPER LIFE BIBLE COURSE/CLASS/CAMPUS/CHURCH I guess

I am not so sure I will fit in there. They might chase me away with sticks.

Just kidding!

fairheven:
And you are telling me authoritatively that luke 11 :42 is not meant for Christians? According to the bible or according to your own understanding?
In that case you can as well take a pen list laws that are meant for Christians, Jews and Pharisees.

Like I said already, reading the passage will show you clearly who it was written to. Also, Matthew 23:23 was not a command or an instruction. Jesus didnt say this is what I want Gods people to do. Matthew 5 to 7 for example, was a clear message to us what we are expected to do as God's people

flamingREED:
Please, try and join us in our Monday bible study session in DLBC..

GOD bless

What is DLBC?

fairheven:
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Then that also means that every other law that was meant for the Jews doesn't apply to Christians?

When you read the bible you must study it and understand its context. There are things written to the Jews, to Christians and to the whole world. That is why you shouldnt read single verses. Always read the whole passage to get its full context. Then compare with other scriptures to get a proper understanding

If you go thru the teachings of Jesus and then those of the apostles, You will notice all the relevant laws were repeated all over again. Then it was surmarised as the law of love

flamingREED:
Alright.
When were the gospels written?

Second, what makes a testament?

A) what the testator said before his death which later comes into force
B) what he says after his resurrection

I pasted the passage in Hebrew that explains the testaments clearly. Everything Jesus did until His resurrection was done in the old testament and under the law. He said that Himself. Jesus sacrificed animals and did other things under the law

fairheven:
You said the instruction to pay tithe was meant for Christians but pharisees, didn't you?

Please lets not get things muddled up so we can all learn

I didnt say tithes were for only pharisees. Tithes were for all Jews according to the law of Moses. This included the Pharisees who are also Jews. So by the law, they were supposed to pay tithes. But Matthew 23:23 does not say Christians should now pay tithe and Matthew 23:23 was spoken by Jesus at a time that was in the old testament, not the new. The new testament started after the ressurection

fairheven:
This is getting interesting.
At first the OP said it is not writing, now we have shown you pple were it's written even in new testament, next you said is not the beginning of new testament? Next you you said he wasn't talking to Christians but but jew?

I think you should read along and not just reply.

Matthew 23:23 is not new testament. That it is placed in bible arrangement by publishers in a section called the new testament does not make it new testament. The new testament started when Jesus, the testator, rose from the dead. Please lets get things really straight and proper

Hebrews 9:16-28King James Version (KJV)

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

fairheven:
I asked you a question that you haven't been able to answer.

If you say Christ was referring to pharisees alone and that such doesn't apply to Christians, that also means that every other things Christ said to the pharisees cannot and wil not apply to us right?

That simply means that if christ to the pharisees not to commit SIN ;that automatically excludes us,since we are not pharisees but Christians.?

That means we can go ahead and commit sin?
Please do reply

Honestly and with all due respect you are not even making sense. Can you read your post again. Maybe you can rephrase it to make sense and I will gladly respond

Dee235:
Dee235:
Despite the so many scripture verses from the writer he forgot this verse about what Jesus said about Tithe.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Emphasis on: and not to leave the other undone.

That is not a commandment or instruction for you to pay tithe. He was talking to the pharisees who were still under the law of Mosesat the time. He was telling them to pay tithe. He was saying you are not wrong to pay tithe but you must do the more important things. Of course, they were not wrong to pay tithes because they were under the law of Moses

Mokuwe:
I pay my tithe and the Lord has been faithful to all His promises. Either you believe it or not, it is working for tus who do.

When some of you say this, it makes me wonder because millions of people who dont pay their tithes also prosper daily. God's blessing is not tied to paying your tithe. What tithe did Adam and Eve pay? What tithe did Enoch, Noah pay? Abraham paid tithe only once in his life and it wasnt even from his own property. Isaac did not pay tithes. Jacob had to make a vow to God when he was in trouble and say, if you bless me, I will give a tenth to you. Jacob didnt say, I will give to you so you can bless me. The blessing wasnt because Jacob gave. The Jews effectively started to pay tithes when Moses established the law.

fairheven:
Yes,according to him

Please do try and learn. It isnt about who wins the argument. When we argue politics and other secular issues, we can try to win an argument but this is different. Open your heart and learn. Read Hebrews 9:16-28 to understand what a testament is. This is very basic. The new testament came into place when Jesus rose from the dead. If you dont know this, then I will have to question your basic understanding of scriptures. If you dont know this, then you really are not qualified to debate other scriptural topics like tithing

Hebrews 9:16-28King James Version (KJV)

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Chukazu:
pick up your bible and read the "intro"
before you get to Genesis, try to read the intro of how the bible came about, then you will know what is new testament.

What is intro? What intro are you talking about? Please ask questions so you can learn. And read Hebrews 9:16-28 to understand what a testament is.

You are taking us back to primary one

Chukazu:
please explain where it is stated that disciples did not pay tithe

It will be stated if they did not the other way around. There is no mention or record of anyone who paid tithe in the whole new testament. Not a single mention. But there were numerous mentions of how they gave, sometimes they even gave everything

And like I said again, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes even in the old testament. Tithe was never paid as money

Chukazu:
then he should as well have told his followers not to tithe since they were not pharisees?

and I ask.. is it a sin to be pharisees?
if you said they were supposed to tithe at a particular point in time,when are they supposed to stop?
did Christ ask them to stop tithing at an appointed time?

Maybe I need to break it down.

1. The default at the time was that the Jews paid tithe under the law of Moses. So Jesus simply said to them,

"look at you guys. You are taking your time to pay your tithe to the smallest bit but you neglect important issues. I am not saying you shouldn't tithe but you must take the more important issues more seriously than even your tithe"

So how is that now a command to you to tithe?

2. There is no record that the disciples paid tithe during and after Jesus left them. None whatsoever. First of all, most of his disciples were not even qualified to pay tithes. In Jewish tradition and under the law of Moses, only farmers and animal rearers paid tithes. Others, like carpenters, masons, etc, did not pay tithes

3. The Jews paid tithes to the levites and the Levite's paid tithes to the priests. When Jesus died, God ended the levitical priesthood so automatically, tithing stools because there is no levite to pay the tithe to. That is why the disciples did not pay tithes. The Jews obviously continued to pay tithes because they didn't believe in Jesus. But after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 and till today, the Jews no longer pay tithes as there is no priesthood

Chukazu:
your own definition of new testament

your own definition of new testament

What do you mean by my own definition? The new testament or new covenant came into place by the death and resurrection of Jesus. Please do read your bible so we don't need to go back to such basics

fairheven:
I repeat, maybe you should wash your eye with sapele water before reading this..

"BUT woe TO YOU PHARISEES!
For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and love of God.
"YOU SHOULD TITHE, YES! but you should not leave the other things undone " luke 11 :42, Matthew23:23

What don't you understand nwokem

He said is was OK for the Pharisees to tithe because they were Jews living under the law of Moses. How is that a command for you as a Christian to tithe? As at the time Jesus spoke, they were supposed to tithe. They had Levites and priests. They were still sacrificing animals at the alter. Even Jesus sacrificed animals at that time. Isn't that obvious?

Dee235:
Sir, beg to disagree. He did in that passage. Matt 23:23. He said they should not neglect the tithe, but they should put mercy and truth first.

There is no where in that verse that Jesus commanded us or instructed us to npay tithes. And for the record, that verse is not a new testament verse. Matthew to John are all old testament apart from their last 1 or 2 chapters. The new testament started when Jesus rose from the dead.

funshow247:
Anyway! Op it's not too much to give back to God at least 10% of your income as an appreciation. I also once thought about it and i practiced both paying and not paying. With my experience, I can categorically tell you that paying tithe pays alot.
Why not faithfully give it a try and compare yourself. Theories ain't just enough in kingdom things. God bless you.

I have fared better when I didn't pay tithe than when I used to. But it really doesn't matter because how you fare is never a justification to do anything. We are to obey and follow Gods word irrespective of the results we get. There are people whose lives have become better financially because they stole money. Does that make stealing right?

Maser:
You're a superstar! Your understanding of this topic is impeccable. Your submissions is exactly what my argument to Christians have been over the years but they abuse me and see me as devil rather than see the scriptures I proffer. Pastors have told them that that those who don't pay will go to hell because they are robbers. Indoctrination is very bad indeed. It makes a fool out of even the educated. He sees the truth but wishes it were false and infact chooses falsehood to suit what he's been brainwashed to believe. The dangerous aspect of the tithe doctrine is in Galatians 3:10 which says that all who choose to live by the law are under the curse and recall that James 2:10 says that if you keep the whole law and offend in one point you are guilty of all. Therefore if you keep the Law on tithing and fail to keep sabbath and other 612 laws, you incur massive curses. Paul called those who sought to follow the Law foolish Galatians and referred to asking people to obey the Law bewitchment. Finally, Galatians 5:4 says that those who seek to be justified by the law are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace.

The problem with bible interpretation is that you have to read it in context. If, for example, the bible says a bucket, you have to ask what a bucket was like when the scripture was written, not what a bucket is like today because it could be different. If it is different, the interpretation will be different.

Even the concept that the law has been abolished is not exactly correct. But I have avoided it not to derail this thread. That is not the basis for which tithing is wrong today. The biggest problem with today's tithing is the motive. Even if we agree we should tithe, then we will need to do it exactly how the bible says and that means I will have to eat my tithe and share it with the orphans, widows, strangers and people who serve in God's work that dont earn a living. That is the bible way to tithe. Anything else is just someone trying to collect money from people

oduastates:
Did train ever stop working in Nigeria?
Nope .
Was Jonathan responsible .
Nope
Work started on the rehabilitation of the railway under abacha( contracts awarded to Chinese national railway company) and continue all through abdusalam , obasanjo yar adua. I can remember when they were working on the Ibadan section of the track in 1996.
Jonathan ,like everything he did , put a few ancient trains ( costing less than $5million ) on ancient tracks to score cheap publicity , whereas most of the heavy lifting ( contract award, payments, construction ) had already been done by previous administrations with little money.

Posts like these really exposes you lot as pathetic liars and unrepentant sycophants. But it is good as it lets the world identify you lot

anthon47:
Tithe Explain in Hebrew chapter 7 in the New Testement Bro read bible, mediate and pray for more understanding before postin or conclusion

STAY BLESSED

Hebrews chapter 7 does not say we should tithe

seguno2:
You are effectively saying that Jesus Christ, whom I quoted muddled up things, right?
He was asked about giving to God, not so?
He replied that you should give to Caesar i.e. government (first) and then to God, right?





Why would you say FALSE things about the Bible?
What could you be trying to GAIN by doing so?
Have you considered the punishment linked to such FALSEHOOD against the written Word of God?
Jesus lived His life in Israel so how could the Jews be in EXILE when he made the statement on giving first to Caesars before giving to God?





You are terribly muddled up in confusing Jews with Christians so I guess it is safe to conclude that you know NOTHING about all that you have said on this thread.
Happy Sunday and I hope you study your Bible to prove yourself worthy of the love and sacrifice of Christ.

The Jews were taken to exile when babylon invaded and destroyed Jerusalem. As at the time of Jesus, they were still under foreign rule. Some Jews were living on Jewish land like Jerusalem but they were under foreign rule. So effectively they were in exile or you could put it better as they were being colonised. If you remember Pauls Journeys around Asia minor, he met Jews everywhere. So understand the issue and it will help us discuss properly.

The question they asked Jesus wasnt about giving to God. The question was simply if they should pay taxes to Ceasar. Their aim was to rope Jesus in because the Jews did not believe that they should pay taxes to the Romans. And they expected anyone who claimed he was the messiah of Israel not to also support the paying of taxes to Rome. So Jesus gave them a vey profound answer which shut them up. Jesus was effectively saying, since you are being colonised, you have to obey the laws of the land as long as it doesnt contradict God's law

This had no connection to the new testament giving so I dont know why you are even trying to connect it

Manueleee:
God forbid. 30k just for d moment. Just want to work dia for sum limited time before extablishin my own.

Why do you have to work there for some time if you can just give and double it? You are not making sense to me bro

Why not continue to use the tithe priciple to increase your salary? Or is there a limit to the amount the tithe principle can return

seguno2:
Thanks.


Is this the standard of today's church?
Government's WELFARE programmes do this better and are financed by citizens paying their TAXES fully, readily and completely, not so?


It is clear that any true follower of Christ (Christian) must FIRST pay his taxes to government wholly and properly and THEREAFTER before any offering to God will be acceptable. To do otherwise is to be a pagan/ idol (man) worshiper.
Is that what we do

My people perish for lack of knowledge. Knowledge of the Word of God!

Honestly, I think you have muddled up a lot of things and have veered off on a tangent

There is no connection between paying your taxes to the government and giving in Christianity. I dont even know how you have attempted to connect it. It is totally strange

Secondly, giving to ceasar was because the Jews where in exile under the Roman empire. They wouldnt have needed to do that when they where in the land of Israel. It is always important you study the bible in context.

Thridly, the standard for the church is to give to meet the need of all. It isnt to give to enrich certain church leaders. The Jews did a collection in Jerusalam because at the time, they were all in one location. But after they were dispersed, they didnt necessarily gather in one location to collect the offerings. Some offerings were submitted in peoples houses and distributed. Others were given directly. There was no one method. The important thing was to give cheerfully, sacrificially but not of compulsion. And the goal was to meet the need of all, especially the orphans and the widows