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udswagz: Dude now i know you are just on this forum sayin what thou knowest not. U dont know shit about programming and ur talking
i cant believe i wasted my time talking to a dumbaass, right now am having regrets, i feel like i have stained my programmer
self with an inferior Jew. You dont even deserve my reply. "*musing* dont even know shit about programming" no wonder !!

Lol, little script kiddies everywhere. Professionals dont talk like this.

I like this one : http://www.bestvalueproviders.com/

rexfada: hello webmasters, am a newbie in CMS web design and I'll like to get a comprehensive ebook on joomla 2.5.7 version. any link to one will be greatly appreciated. av been on the web for a very long time now and av been unable to lay my hands on one, and this is hindering my quest for learning this stuff. the other ebooks i have are not for ver 2.5.7, so i can't really do more with it. my email address is rexfada@gmail.com, u can also drop one there for me. thanx a million brothers!!!

The best way to start off the process is to install the Joomla version 2.5 on your local system with xampp/wamp .

After installation, you can now play around with it and see the differences between this and Version 1.5.

You can study the templates that comes with it and see the very minor difference between the template of 1.5 and 2.5 (The template details xml file).

For a designer, what you gather from the templates that come shipped with joomla will kick start things from you. If you want to advance to learning how to create components and modules, just do a search with those as your keywords and am certain you will have links.

Dual Core: "Review" threads on this board are not meant to get reviews, its a trick that never gets old here.

"Review" threads which are created with the aim of showcasing a design are done that way so there is a fail-safe "I'm still working on it" to fall back on should your finished design be lynched by men and gods.

Only brave webmasters come up with threads to showcase the designs and title it "Check this site out and be inspired" or "See this site, don't comment just like it". These ones have come out in the open, guns blazing.

P.S: I have been here since 2007 and I have seen just one of such threads.

You either promote the culture or do your own part in stopping the culture.
Personally I will hardly lift a finger to write a review on anyone's site here because its a time-tested, designer-proven uselessness.

Exactly Dual Core. People should be bold enough to say, Hey! am posting my portfolio websites, have a look . You can make comments or whatever.

Like you said, its the oldest trick here. Slyrox says no more adverts so what to do? What to do? , The answer is "Review this site"(Actually should read "Another site from my portfolio for you to check out".

We know what people who want reviews actually do after reviews. Yawatide and some others ,go out of their way to make the reviews and does he do anything about them? Of course not since they were never intended to make him make any changes, its just advertising.

Are people saying that designers should implement every suggestion or changes posted in reviews? Of course Not, since some may not know better, but there are pertinent and glaring issues that almost everyone(novice and expert) would point out. If the person asking for reviews, does not implement those, then its either (1)He has no capacity to effect any changes and is probably not the person working on those sites, (2)He is just advertising his works and never needed the reviews in the first place(like we see from this particular OP).

greenmouse: I designed this website for http://kdg.greenmousetech.com , view it and tell me if its not quality....lolz

Thats the laundry services website all over again .. This time in white background and cleaned up.

Whats the issue? Your ego is so large that you would never be seen implementing pertinent changes that people point out(I suppose thats what reviews should be about, no?)

You would rather implement them on some other projects just to keep your presumptions going? lol

udswagz: DUDE i would like to see a link of your website please, i bet you dont even know how to code hello world, here is my first commercial website
i designed from scratch for UN CCN it has over 1,000 users and processes not less that 200 orders every day - www.members.carboncreditnetwork.org

now do give us a link, that what we want.

Goodness!! This is even worse than the first link you posted.

I hate empty people who havent done a thing yet they come here bragin,

Hellooo!! The only person that bragged here is you. You are the one who posted the UBA website link and slated them for using tables and doing a bad job.

We only commented on it because you berated them and still went ahead to post a link that is not better than theirs.

guru01: @OP
Thank you for this great information, i almost wanted to pay 50k to acquire Zenith Bank card.

Kind regards.

Zenith Bank people are not serious. lol

^^^^^^

We can add lack of comprehension to the mix..., lol

Oh well. I wanted to stay away since the OP only likes to hear those that praise him and never takes criticism well. But I couldnt resist, lol.

But this particular site homepage looks good and is better than the laundry service site( A site that he still hasnt made any changes to, invariably telling you guys what he thinks about your reviews).

And in reference to the 28k, I think he mentioned a promo of some sort going on. His sites are not average like you say but with the standard that we see on Nairaland, you may not blame him for getting presumptuous sometimes.

bonsoirval: web design and development has gone out of the professional's hand into the common man's hand that with Artisteer, someone without programming knowledge can design perfect websites in minutes.
You cant believe this and you are not to be blamed until you use this artisteer. We give the software free for trial and upon your decision to buy it we then provide you with the keys to make it professional.

for more information, visit www.vonictsms.com and go the contact page or

give us a call on 07038616871

Are you a licensed reseller of the software? You say you will provide them with the key. I hope its the legal key and not a warez-crack. Cause if you are giving out cracks on someone's work, I will be the first to point you out to the original owners here.

The base CMS is Drupal

udswagz: well i would be interested to know after viewing the site the reasons for the smilies, if you think you are good with your HTML/CSS tell me what you found wanting, dont just laugh say something, i assume we are all learning. You guys just laugh over whats not, any one that knows what they are doing would confirm that site. Also provide a link to your sites, lets see if your worth your salt!

Its not about confirming whether you used CSS or not. The fact is that you raised a lot of hope by slating the Zenith website and by providing a link for us to go and "see how its done", one expected to see something more aesthetically pleasing than that of Zenith.

To be honest, do you believe a lay man who doesn't know anything about css/tables would choose your site over the Zenith one?

The design is like the designs that came with the earlier CMSs like PHPNuke.

Once again, I commented on it because following your comment on the Zenith bank site, I was excited and expected to see something a lot better.

udswagz: I must say its very appaling the way some wrb developers design shit with tabled and mess the whole thing up. take a look at the source code of zenith bank website for example, its a total mess! and sumone must have collected millions for d job. just did BS with tables. As a web developer its i wonder hw quack developers gey jobs.

www.udonline.net
Thats the place to visit if u need quality web application. a designer that can code.

Sorry o but after slating the Zenith Bank website, I was expecting to see something better from you. The link you posted is

Should web designers be mindful of the design standards and validity? Yes but while you are at it, the designs you put out(in pointing out the lack of standards in others), must be above average.

If the Zenith Bank management should read this post and got interested in what you are trying to say about using tables vs CSS, on going to the link you posted, to perhaps hire you, chances are that they would change their minds and stick with the original designers, tables or not.

funky medina: In many fields if not most is there any better training than an apprentiships? On the job, real life experience if we must be honest. What is in web design or programming that requires a four year or 5 year education at university..all the 11-17 year olds hacking agencies that degree holders many with phd sef secured nko? Did Bill Gates, Steve job and the other Steve even bother to continue with thire paper degree? the paper is not the basis for sucess . its glorified in nigeria because of our bad environment nothing more but thats another discussion for another thread.

Did you read my post?

funky medina: Listen guys , ur intellectual arrogance is misplaced.(I am refering to 2 posters above) You nigerians and ur glorification of degrees/paper qualification, you think you need less brains to run a horticulture /plumbing business than to write html..Jesus hold me oo!! In Sweden/Norway there is a fantastic accounting software called Visma that completly erases the need for an accountant if you run a small business.. I mean COMPLETLY, it does everything including everything you need to fill in ur tax form at the end of the year ..Lets call it the wordpress of accounting..

Is it only in getting "paper degrees" that people spend time and resources in training?

Get your thoughts together and stop running ahead of yourself all the time.

There is a price range that reflects artisanry and another price range for professional
services.
the price the poster complains about is dragging the entire web design image in
the social eye into artisanry status which should nt be.
one way to fix this is to boost the price.
a plumber, electrician, gardener, barber, hair dresser - professions that require brawns
and less brains can charge 10 - 20k and get a job.
But point any profession that requires intellect and education that charges this amount!!
Any intellectual profession charging such undignified amount will lose its respect
and web designing is already doing so.
people say is it not 'only a website' you dont tell a lawyer accountant architect
is not only a court case, it not only a financial statement , it not only a draft.

@Kambo, you raised some very valid points.

At the part I highlighted in red, thats the problem right there. Most of those people didnt spend time and resources in training as web designers hence the attitude.

And the part I highlighted in brown, apt observation very apt.

gsmgold: pls which billing address do u use when using ur card on facebook?

The address you registered the card with. It must match the address you registered the card with at UBA or else the transaction will fail.

Lol, its funny but it should be in the jokes section

greenmouse: @omin, @sology, I know wella u have got some beef for mua....?

I think my review heading will start to carry ...."Yewatide, DHTML, afam4eva pls review my website"

Shake my head at the minute-mindedness of this.

No matter how bad this website is its far better than some of ur websites...@sology and @omni....

Still shaking my head at the banality.

^^^^^^^^^

No association. Its simply unthinkable for this line of work. Can work with petty traders but not this.

greenmouse: @sology, thanks alot.
But just know we are not in the same category.

Good bye...

@ The highlighted part... *Delusions of grandeur*

First impression: Very nice looking layout and design. Easy on the eye. A breath of fresh air.

Now let me go back and look at the functionality..

Yshii: I made my new church website. And today im looking for a good web host. Can you help me in findind? or you have recommendations?

I will not offer to God anything that does not cost me something. (II Sam. 24:21-25)

Your Church can afford to get paid hosting services. There are very cheap hosts out there. You want to put your church website and details in the hands of some people who will feel they are doing you a favor? To be honest, anyone that still looks for free hosting in these days of low price hosting, definitely doesn't need a website .. yet.

funky medina: I no quarell o, i am enjoying myself . Your talking about 11k , go to webmaster section and about 4 posts down from this post, someone called "miracle" is offering webdesign for FREE to anyone hahahhaha I am a prophet !!!!

Free is even good. Free is better than someone charging a fee because of his/her paucity of skills or talent . I can create a site free for someone but it would be for a cogent reason. And I will have it at the back of my mind that though am doing it for free, the standard must remain.

Its different from people who are charging some amount because no one would ask them to do a job ordinarily. Such people get these job offers from people who want to test the waters because the amount is what they can afford to lose. I can conveniently tell you that most often than not, those people(if its serious businesses) start quietly looking for better skilled individuals to upgrade their sites after a little while(Now with hindsight) .

^^^^^ @Funky Medina

Dont start quarreling bro..

Check my first three posts, I was against the union thing as well as having a fixed price for webdesign.

Dont know where you are getting the vibes that am against Open source from. I use Open source for most of my work.

Dont care if you do a site for 5 dollars, it has nothing to do with me. Its your own issue.

My own stand(If you cared to read) was always to place a balance. For instance, you say CNN uses WordPress but am sure you can appreciate the extent of customization that was put into it and the most likely, resultant fees that it would incur.

Open source can not be my enemy, its my great friend and that's why I pointed out that the nice GTBANK site is based off Joomla.

The customizations that the likes of CNN and GTBank did to their respective CMSs, I can assure you, are in functionality and usability features. They most definitely didnt go on the web and get a template that 10 million other websites in the world would be using.

If a web designer, developer, or whatever cannot personally design and conceptualize a site structure, then by no means, should he tag himself with that title.

Am all for customizations, but what you see with most "web designers" in Nigeria, is people just plugging web templates from the internet and uploading(as is) for a client, without even as much as a background change.
Thats exactly why they can charge N11, 500 for a website, lol. When you take time to conceptualize, plan and build, you would feel differently. But thats by the way, and thats why I said at the beginning that there are different types of sites and that by no means can everyone charge the same thing.

By the way, I still interface with reputable web agencies abroad and when you ask for a quote for a website that has all the features that you would expect from CMSs like Wordpress and Joomla, you would definitely get the *Quote*/bill(whether they are going to use opensource cms for you or not)..

funky medina: No be me talk cut & past!!

What am trying to say is that though those sites are based on open source like Joomla and Drupal, extensive work had to be done by professionals to get that look and feel and to make the CMS function as the *paying* company wants it to. So though its Joomla/Drupal, the result you see for example,in the gtbank. com website, is not what can be achieved by just having the *cut and paste* skills.

^^^^^^
You can soak in the accolades but you cant take the criticism? Go and sit down some where jare..

I am an opposition? Maybe, yes.. To silly stuff..

Where else have I opposed you?

Oh, I just went through my posts and came across where you asked for a website review here: https://www.nairaland.com/1084919/web-review-hope-love . And thats about the only place I have commented on your posts:


If you call my giving you a comprehensive break down of the site as opposing you, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Your ego is getting in your way of improvement.

Your earlier projects are more professionally done than this.

Abi na one of them 11k clients?

Like they already said, the background is not working well with the site.

kaboninc: But why is that here in Nigeria we form any kind of association? Tomorrow you'll find 'beggars association of Nigeria'. This union thing sef.....I believe its killing us. I mean the way and manner its set up.

Lol, my sentiments exactly. Its a bad idea, really..

@funky medina

Gtbank website and a host of other Big multinationals are based on open source CMS like joomla but I hope you are aware that there is nothing like "cut and paste" in those designs and the result?

funky medina: Thats what I want you to know, cut and paste as you call it is here to stay with beautiful results in many cases.

A lot of Companies and businesses know about this cut and paste and CMS thing but they have realized that its not ideal to go that route if they want to be unique and have a site that they can understand. Hence they enlist the help of professionals that can actually beat those CMSs into shape to work and function as the company expects. Reputable companies and businesses would not get a website that has the same template/cmstheme as 10 million others on the internet so they would get professionals to design an interface that is unique and that can work with the CMS and they will pay the appropriate fees for them. We are not talking of just web enthusiasts or hobbyists or blogs sites. Talking of serious businesses.

So they charge people to register domain name? I guess in nigeria , if not why cant the person go straight to go daddy and register it

Most times it comes as a package. Nothing stops you from registering your domain yourself.

-You are to produce content for the client?? Na wa oo, that is major writing work.

A web professional can get a job that includes providing content for the website. People abroad actually make money from web content writing alone. Web designing is not just about copying a client's profile and pasting it in joomla or wordpress. When a client doesnt have a profile, or the one they have is very plain, they may decide to include content writing in the contract(Which the professional would reflect in the bill).

And i doubt there is anyone charging 10k for website creation plus good quality content for 10k!!!

Was that not the crux of the matter for this thread?

databoy247: I totally agree with you. But its gonna be difficult to implement.
Suggestion? Like i said in some post last two years, We need to set up a registered association, and compel all web developers to register with said association. This association or union is gonna serve as a regulatory body for web developers providing a fixed "minimum" charge for jobs. The general public is going to be aware of it. SO if you give your job to non-registered developer, na u sabi.

Its gonna promote professionalism and give web developers their long due respect in the society. Atleast street barbers do have a union how much more web developers.

My 2 cents.

A union is a totally bad idea. Your creativity will speak for you. When you group creative web designers and graphic artists together with *CMS installers* and web enthusiasts, who dont have a clue, you would be limiting and choking the creative ones. I bet you that some silly rules would start coming into play(sponsored by the aesthetically challenged ones of course) that will further decrease the quality of work coming out from this country rather than making it better.