₦airaland Forum

Abbeyb1ack:
I believe you didn't pay just because you disagree with his Terms

But are you aware some client paid and they never see it as an issue

It's not your right to draft a T/c for a company just to suit ur own interest as a client....

It doesn't work like that

Moreover I believe the vendor didn't complain when you made your choice of not accepting to pay.

So pls just move on

There are no rules hmmm? People make up their rules in an industry that is regulated by the government.
Impunity is ok, I guess.
So what rule stops me from coming here to let people gain from my experience with the vendor?

Abbeyb1ack:
Did you pay?

I don’t pay ransom.

Abbeyb1ack:
It is the client problem because he felt the vendor was arrogant for demanding for transportation fee payment upfront base on what has been his T/C

Below is also an answer to the question .....lol

An entitlement is something that is demanded by law. A right, an amount that someone is inherently privileged to get.
The #25k was not his right.

How is stating what transpire and the vendor”s terms and conditions for others to be aware of an issue? I don’t get it.
Even the vendor doesn’t have problems stating it publicly that he does that.

How is this the clients problem?

Gasayi:
Please I have this algae on my stone coated roof. It too much. What is the cause of it?
I am trying to upload the picture because it not working.

Where are you located. I can help you inspect it and give a quote. My transport fare is #25k only. Thanks.

erico2k2:
To the Bolded I do, however I do it in the west hence I said in the 9ja context, no company or persons in the west will pay you transport money for you to come give estimates or demonstration. Then again, we post our jobs as adverts and if you chose to give a quote and asked to come execute the job, means of transport is up to you. It is assumed your T fare is amongst your billed cost.
Im short form, if I come in Nairaland to say I want to do a specific door and my house is in Sambasi forest and you in Lagos says you want to do the job and we agree on your price I would assume the T-fare is inclusive what do you recon?

No. To get quotes form say 4 different people, you must provide them each with #25k x 4 = #100k. Because you pluck money from trees.
That means I don’t even have to be an artisan to be rich.
All the person would need to do is advertise lower price for any service, collect #25k for transportation, get there by any cheap means, save greater percentage of that money, give you any quote and when it comes time for service, they tell you sorry, we are fully booked.
Then go back and repeat.

erico2k2:
Fact What I also see here is people being workmen only instead of treating it as Business.

Our people are bent in their own ways, difficult to adapt and create solutions.

FEGEITOK:
If I told you how much I had to spend to get contracts, travels, several times, running 30 day proof of concept, calls, bringing my team to the site without even being sure of a deal.

So like I said before Sonnie is right. But for certain people, he is wrong because they operate outside the enterprise deal circle (B2B). They deal in the B2C market in which different rules may apply.

FG, state governments and even companies do not as a rule pay in advance of signing the contract.

Until the dotted line is signed, you are spending your own money!

As a matter of fact, some have started sending a letter with the words: " Non-Obligatory Proof of Concept/Demonstration" when they invite you to come for the discussion.

These stories remind me of a guy who flew in state of the art Ricoh machines to NNPC to demonstrate and then NNPC did not end up buying.

This guy was literally in tears and reached out to me to help him sell them.

If you do enterprise deals, you will understand that even the decision to buy can take months or years, but then at the end, the deal is usually a very big one, so his ask was an impossible to fulfil one.

Let me give you a story close home to me. My younger brother here in the states has two 18 wheelers. Each is mounted with a CT and MRI equipment. They service hospitals and other facilities.
Many times, they would drive with that equipment to the facility, sometimes for over an hour, Only for the patient to refuse.

The law is that patient has the right to refuse any treatment even for no reason. You cannot tell who would refuse before hand.
Secondly, they cannot bill insurance for a service they did not perform . That would be the end of that business plus jail time.

In those instances, the return with nothing. It is cost of doing business. A technologist is paid $40-50 per hour , the truck driver is paid almost the same. Multiply this by about 3 hour they spend on such trip.

Being a service provider, they are careful not to lose the client because sometimes, on a single day trip they could perform exams on more than 10 patients at $500 each x 10.

Kentucky404:
Hian, The sound of arrogance in your words. Honestly you sound very silly. the profit from your #8M job might not be more than #150K majority is meant for materials. He offered you a service and you paid for the service, if you think you are doing him a favor then his also doing you a favor by offering his service to a very cheap and despicable client like you.
I have given out contracts worth over #560M in just two months. Be humble. Any Nigerian Artisan will go through hell dealing with your kind.
I bet in your entire lifetime that you have never met a standard company that would refund your money and even sue you, at the middle of your cheap project just because you talk down on their worker and end up spending all your cheap project funds on court matters.

Take a chill Son. Be humble. As a client never see your self as a god and mighty helper over an Artisan or contractor.

You both are doing each other a favor.
if you had lost your #8M funds to a contractor like n3xt, then you would understand how much of a favor a reliable contractor is doing you.

When did stating what transpired with facts and figures become arrogance?
I don believe you would have had any issues if I said I managed the #4000 standard roof sheet on my project. That would be me, being humble.

Your last paragraph ended up supporting my initial stance. That I am doing the vendor favor.. what difference does it make when you say it and when I say it?

I am not the mouthpiece of the vendor/s to say how they feel about the job they are doing.
Just in case you did not hear me right that first time,, let say it again. Any business that I patronize, I am doing them a favor.

And you are wrong. No standard company would refund a client payment for saying that he did them a favor.
Most if no all cooperate entities have customers compliant and appreciations portals/ box. They want to hear what their customers have to say, whether good or bad.
It seems you are separated reality, almost all cooperate business would support a customer as against their own staff when it comes to service delivery. Even if the customer tends to wrong, as long as he is not destructive.

Talking about court. I challenge you to show me one statement that I have made regarding this issue that has any legal implications , whether they are true or false.

money121:
Who go help you won't stress you...

Ajeh

Keep swigging and missing!
What you have there is the indomie generation’s mantra. . The entitled generation
In my days, we never heard such. We were taught to be thankful for every deed.
The original version is ki Iku ma akpa a la nu mi
This was when people appreciated good deeds, not anymore.

GloriousGbola:
apparenetly i will have to spell it out to you like you are a small child

i ceo of gbola enterprises want to give a contract for supplying cars . we have invitd

honda
toyota
kia

they are all bidding. they are all competent to do the job. they can all offer competitive rates. who ever ultimately gets the job is being done a favor . because all of them can do it. you may not know, but this plays out everywhere

now this is what often happens

if tomorrow i leave the company and another oga comes in - that one will say - i am not intersted in working with toyota - lets use honda.
the next ceo comes and says - i am not interested in honda - lets use kia

it is a cycle that goes on ad on.


this is why savvy contractors or businessmen do their best to cultivate multiple people within a company, so when the selection meeting is on, there is someone to speak for them in their absence

back in 2004, MTN was constanly recycling their project team. every two years. so you have built a relationship with them, they see you as reliable, and then they are gone. a new person who does not know you from adam comes on, and you have to start all over again with building trust

you can keep your head in the clouds, or you can face reality.when multiple people who can deliver are all competing to provide the same service. it literally comes down to - i like this one's face or something along those lines.

See, you are even going too far. Do you know that every big company in the US has paid lobbyist in Washington whose job is to convince those in the corridors of power to use the services of those companies?
Majority of them do not succeed to sell the agenda / services, even after being paid huge upfront by these companies. It is the cost of doing business.
A few years ago, people thought Amazon was not doing well , returns were slow,. Amazon was busy paying workers to sustain the business and at the same time building warehouses. Fast forward to the last couple of, years, they became one of the richest companies in the world.
Sometimes, a business must make that painful monetary commitment first, before the gain or in some cases loss.

twinskenny:
lol chief this is totally different! People you mentioned above will recieve payment at the end of the day right?

Ok let give another example.
Every day people borrow money to travel from out of state to Lagos for job interviews. 99% of them are rejected. Some even pay and sleep in hotels.
Do those prospective employers owe them the transport fare?

How is trying to get a job in a site different from trying to get a job in an office?

CivilEngineer90:
but you said WHOEVER YOU GIVES A JOB YOU ARE DOING THE PERSON A FAVOR or wasn’t it what you wrote on the previous page? I can’t even imagine an artisan meeting a client with such mindset because it scares me.

Let me say it again, who ever, I give a job, I am doing them a favor.

Itsrm:
You are only deceiving yourself. So if the firm you work with needs to bring in a specialist for consulation from another state or country, the specialist will use his money to pay for the flight.

When it's time to do your house-warming, invite Wizkid or Burna Boy and tell them to use their money to come first because it's the cost of doing business.

All the workers in banks, school teacher, market women etc that pay their transport to work out of their pocket everyday, how are vendors more special than them?
Do you remember Idris? This same entitlement attitude towards those that were cutting his paycheck was his downfall. He rough handled 50 cent, a guest of Nigeria breweries (Star) and felt it was his right, never apologized.
That was his last show for any cooperate organization.
When it comes to where you get your money, just pipe down.

CivilEngineer90:
hmmm don’t carry around this mindse because most of those workers are far better than you in terms kf archivement they just choose to play humble to secure the job bro. There are some clients I don’t drive to their site so they don’t feel intimidated and assume i charge premium so chill

Off point. Nobody is talking about who is richer. All I said is that the customer works to earn a living, same way a vendor works to earn a living.
How is that a pocket measuring contest?

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But this not different from the answers you would get when you do a google search for the same question.

redgem:
At this point, my confusion is confused.... I am totally lost!!! Migraine!!! Anyways, thank you so much to everyone who took out time to help me sort out my predicament.. I really appreciate you all, God bless everyone of you 🙏

Don’t be confused.

Itsrm:
I really don't understand. Why will you expect someone to leave his location and come to yours across different states just to take measurement when there's no assurance you'll give him the job?


Why not just patronise those around you? You're lucky he didn't ask you to pay for his flight to and fro.

You want to give someone a job of 8M but you can't pay his 25k transport. So if his transport indeed costs 25k and he goes to four of such places without getting the jobs, 100k is gone. How much is he making from the jobs?

Every contractor knows you'll probably get to execute 3 (or less) out of every 10 quotations you send. Why will any sensible contractor risk his life and waste his money on something with such a low probability of success?

The person from Warri came and secured the job. He did it , and did not collect any upfront advance fee (seems more like an advanced fee fraud).
It’s totally up to the vendor to do it or not. Nobody is forcing anyone.
Note Warri to core East is more expensive in terms of transportation when compared with Lagos to the same place.
Maybe its the Nigeria concept but,
Private businesses that operate emergency ambulance here are familiar with the concept .
When a 911 operator dispatches an emergency alert to the general ambulance services dashboard, all operators ( private business) would see the request. Many would move at the same time.
Anyone that gets to the scene first, picks up the patient(victim). The rest ambulances that come afterwards would return empty. No one pays them. It is the cost of doing business. An ambulance usually would have at least 3 staff, add that to the cost of gas for such heavy truck . Remember people are paid per hour here .
Nigeria will get there soon, however some people are already using that strategy, like the roofing company that came from Warri.

FEGEITOK:
There is a cost of doing business, agreed!

As to your last paragraph, it goes to show something I have said before, people do business with people they like, so everyone cannot and will not be a client/customer, because everyone cannot like you.

Thanks for clarifying.

Most times it’s not the person or the money but their attitude.

money121:
Lies

Lies that you were going to bed for the night?

money121:
Mention the member stop capping on faceless forum

If I say you are the one, what difference does that make?

money121:
You will be alrty laslas don't worry
Goodnite
Need to wakeup for sahur mind you we continue tomorrow
Unless you mention the roofer that request for 25k from you
Stop capping on internet
We know your type

It’s not even that this is something you wouldn’t do. So, why worry?

money121:
His not refering to me ooo
Just whyning him so he can mention the roofer his refering to
Not me

Conscience is an open wound.
Have you ever requested for someone to send you #25k for transportation to East?
If yes, then you are the one
If no, then it’s not you I was was talking about.

money121:
If nothing happen to the roofing sheet within that above year
You go visit the site and damage it now
MR EXPENSIVE

You will be alrty

Yes not everybody will patronize me and not everyone will stick to your rules that he should visit ur site without paying him tfare, i don't think that should be arguement
If you can't pay the person tfare look for somewhere closeby to purchase your goods.. nobody force you
Soldier go Soldier Come barrack No dey dry
Know this and know peace..
And i don't think av ever come to your Dm or force you to patronize me does that know my quality keep coming back... thank God for that

Goodnite Mr Favourite

No cheap roof would last 20 years. Even ten years is a bonus. To me it’s penny wise pound foolish.
The few gentlemen I have patronize here, none of them have ever begged or dm me for patronage.
So, don’t assume they are sneaky.

bolu1986:
But you know you won’t patronize him yet u want him to and go measurements for you for free

Read his last message. He says he knows how / where to arrange for the quality brands.

money121:
No because i don't sell above brand
If the clients need those quality he know how to reach out to the above company
And i don't think the one av been selling from day 1 any client av issue with it
Because is high Quality materials
So far my clients are pleased with it that should not be your headache now
MR FAVOURITE
So face your Tilcor you will be alrty Laslas

That is why it’s called affordable. Even panu that some people use, they don’t have problems with it.
Not everyone will patronize you. Those with good taste won’t. There is nowhere you can justify a #4000 per square roofing sheet with # 9000 per square roofing sheet.
Common sense should let you know that you have not been in the market for up 20 years for significant difference to start showing.
I want my roof to last a lifetime, and I went with a product that is tested and trusted over time.

money121:
Odogwu

Oniyeye

We know your type

My type is allergic to substandard stuff. That is all you need to know.

money121:
12k for tfare

Did you use Tilcor, wictech or Gerard? No. So why will a reasonable person pay to get what is below the standard he/ she wants.

money121:
Supplied

How much did the current one you are doing in Bayelsa pay upfront to obtain quote? At least the person is here to testify.

money121:
MR FAVOURITE
MR EXPENSIVE YOU WILL BE ALRTY laslas
We know your type

My type? For doing what exactly? Not patronizing your cheap china roofing sheet ? I repeat, I don’t do cheap.

money121:
Sure nothing wrong my sister
At least you also compared quote and patronize me
So is normal in every business

How much did she pay you upfront for measurement to obtain quote?

fabulous85:
for the pop which is the ceiling is length × width. But for screeding which is the four walls of your room, it is length × breath × height of room

Are you saying a plain wall of 2 dimensions has 3 dimensions (L ,B, H)?