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mostob:
A CM will provide passing option...link the Midfield with the attack. Let's say a CM is simply the link between DM and AM.

mostob:
Spy, They're playing these roles because of their skillset. Tierney was always bombing forward but gradually started playing as an inverted CB. That's to tell you that role and tactic may change but position doesn't. Partey is still a DM,not a CM.

mostob:
no Bro he is still a DM

Jodera2:
Lol .. How will he not be in a position.

The issue is that you still think Dm is them Makalele-like. Once they win back ball, nothing concern them again. Most people believe DM have evolved and if you don't, then it's not our fault. If not, you wouldn't have said that bolded especially the 2nd one

Like I said, the basics, the foundation that's what you are having differences with everyone. And that's why you are clearly at odds in this matter with most people. it's the reason why your choice for Partey's replacement will always be at odds with almost everyone esp as that lone DM role.

Jodera2:
Who told you Partey doesn't perform their roles? Partey performs Ndidi role to the fullest. Meanwhile Ndidi doesn't have the skillset to perform like Partey. Simple!

Jodera2:
He is stationed in just a way that he's deepest amongst all arsenal players. He's always at the back of Xhaka, Odegaard and the attackers. Once we lose possession and the forward press fails to win the ball, then Partey (who's at their back) will help to mitigate the opposition attack or recover possession.

I don't know whether you think if arsenal is attacking then Partey will always join them while leaving his base

Jodera2:
So in that case Tierney was a winger while Xhaka was a FB?

Jodera2:
Thank you.
The thing is, it's the skillset that matters reason why I won't go for Ndidi or Kante to replace Partey in that lone DM role even though they're all DMs. The thing be say Spy no wan even agree say Partey, Rodri and Fabinho are all DMs and that DM roles have evolved. He's thinking DM is solely defined as dem Makalele dem— just tackling and winning balls. Finish.

And that's where he's wrong.

mostob:
Ball distribution and his ability to create as well. His assist for Laca last season (you should remember) and recently, the friendly at London colney when he gave a through pass to Nketiah are perfect examples. That's why he is suitable for Arsenal because Kante and Ndidi can't offer such skillset.

mostob:
Kante is a roaming DM. Not the type that will collect the ball from the GK and start spraying passes. His job is just to run around tackling and intercepting. That is why Jorginho complement him so well.

Ndidi on the other hand doesn't roam like Kante, he will sit back and cover up for overlapping FBs. He do make himself available for passes but rarely will you see him slide in a through pass for Vardy or any of their forwards. He sometimes do (especially for Nacho) but not as efficient as Partey.

Kante in Arsenal will probably be paired with Xhaka as he can't stand alone as a DM.

Ndidi in Arsenal will enable us play ESR and Odegaard as a double 8s.

iamoyindamola:
I dan forget

mostob:
Jodera and spy

This your argument ehn...
But there is one thing you guys are not taking into context here.... Skillset

Ndidi,Partey and Kante are DMs but all have different skillsets.
Arteta once play as a DM for us due to how good he was because of his ball distribution but guess what...our midfied always get overrun. Partey is a DM... However, his ability to pick out passes, hold the ball and distribute efficiently is what make him suitable for Arsenal.
Lokonga can distribute the ball but there is a reason he can't play that Partey role which is because his size and weight is too small

Partey I playing as a DM for us...Ndidi and Kante are good DMs too but they may not be suitable for Arsenal because they don't bring what Partey offers for us.
Partey is our DM

Jodera2:
Are you not seeing that he explained it as Fabinho secondary role? How could you ignore the primary role that An.field fan explain in the first paragraph just to pick on the secondary role just to name him DLP.

I mean, sometimes even Ben White plays good transition pass from defence to our attackers both short and long ones. Does that makes him DLP too? On many occasions I've seen Ramsdale given straight passes both long and short to Lacazette and Saka in Midfield and it was accurate. Is Ramsdale a DLP too?

Come on na Spy

Jodera2:
Lol... Moved where? This is me saying CDM/DM even from our very first day we started this discussion

Moreover, is a CDM not a DM? Central defensive midfielder. That is a DM that has all the zones to himself and isn't sharing his zone with anyone.

Odegaard and Xhaka are CM/AM but because they share one zone, then they'll be termed RCM/RAM (for Odegaard) and LCM (for Xhaka). With the R and L respectively meant right and left(just as C is for the central). It's the reason why you'll hardly see Odegaard at the left part of the pitch or Xhaka at the right part.

So boss, just know that CDM and DM means same thing. The C there is just the zone they occupy and nothing more

Jodera2:
Total football? There's a reason why I don't want to talk about it cos it might make us digress from what we're talking about.

Almost all elite coaches presently uses total football. In fact, that's what is in vogue presently. Example — A striker dropping deep and acting as a Midfielder. A FB attacking high and playing as a winger. A winger playing Infield to score like a striker. Defence pushing upfield to play like Midfielders.

In a nutshell that's what total football is. But then, does that stops a defender being a defender or an attacker being an attacker.

Trent and Robertson have high assists and attack the box more. Does that stops them from being fullbacks?
Fabinho and Van dijk that sometimes covers for Arnold and Robertson when a counter attack wants to surface through their side, does that now makes fabinho and Van dijk a FB?

You see why I was always mute on that total football ish?

iamoyindamola:
Deny na i they here

Jodera2:

This one funny me

Spy na true??

AnfieldFan:
Fabinho is a CDM...

The Dlp role doesn't describe him, that's not to say he can't pick a pass once in a while because he can, but when he's on the field, he isn't scanning the pitch to pick out Salah or Diaz, rather, he's scanning the pitch to know when to time his run and intercept the opposing team's DM before he(opposing team's Dm) makes a pass or runs with the ball...

Also, because we play a very highline, Fab has to be closer to the opponent's half for the second ball if the press( front line and Cm's) do not win the ball back, so he's more of an outlet for a pass in the opponent's half rather than dictating play from deep...

When we are building out, he functions in the same way, creates an extra passing option in addition to our CB's so as to maintain numerical equality or even superiority in our half while at the same time, drawing out the AM of the other team which leaves space to launch very quick transitions, our transitions are notoriously fast..
Thiago does this more the though, we mainly do this when the press becomes very hot in our half...

Android17:
In a nutshell, Rodri is a CDM. He has the passing range and IQ of a DLP but City don't lack creativity so Rodri's role is measured in terms of that. There might be 1 or 2 games last season where he played as a DLP but that is his tertiary function.

Fernandinho started out as a box to box midfielder but his role kept adjusting as he aged.

Jodera2:
Thank you Anfield.fan and Andr.oid17 for your thoughts, explanations and contributions. I really appreciate.

So Spy360, you see that at least a Liverpool and Manchester city fan have acknowledged that both Fabinho and Rodri are CDMs in their team with proper explanation. From both explanations, you'll notice that they still have some attacking role to play such as transitioning and build up but that doesn't negate that they're DM carrying out defensive duties.

If you even do a survey on this thread as well as other thread asking the role of Partey's this last season, you'll most likely receive the answer that he's a CDM.

That number 6 role needs someone who have high sense of intelligence in Defensive duties, beating of press and good attack something Odegaard, Xhaka Or Tielemans lack

Jodera2:
Oh now. Not only is Arteta not using Partey as DM role but it's now a FB that's playing our DM role? Interesting!!
Like Tierney or Tomiyasu acting as a DM? Wow!!... Real wow!!

In all my knowledge of football, I've never seen a DLP acting as an anchor.

This and many more of the reasons is why we can never ever agree on this issue. I'm just seeing new weird stuff everyday

Jodera:
Lol, you don see yasef abi??
Now you wan make I show you the correct terms wey dey generally accepted.

Na because of issues like this dem dey bring update on new terms come give am English name. Cos no football term be half 6 half 10

Anyways, He's a DM. You can call him creative DM or if possible CDM, or Modern DM. Maybe CDM might fit your satisfaction because of the C for central there which helps in him responsible for buildup and ball transitioning and creativity from deep.

While I'm always insisting he's a DM is because he's the anchor man(base player) in a 433. Hardly you see a triangle 433 that the anchor/base man isn't a DM and that was what Arteta deployed. I would have agreed with you that he played as Cm last season if we were playing a flat 433 but obviously we didn't and we aren't.

Jodera:
Lol, no anchor plays 10 or half 6 half 10. Infact is there any player that have played the half 6 half 10?
If yes, I would love to hear it.

As for your first paragraph, you see how ironic you sound? You clearly defined Xhaka as 8 and always says we use double 8s. You've most times criticed Lacazette for not scoring because he's a 9.

E don reach Partey own now, you don remember say numbers are obsolete and outdated

I laff in Swahili guy

mostob:
May God help us sha...the guy be like Runnarson pro max o

Jodera:
Okayy... Just answer this.

We all know that Nketiah and Jesus are number 9 in terms of role.
We know that Odegaard and Xhaka are number 8s in terms of role

What number is Partey last season?

Jodera:
This bolded here was the beginning of our debate and we didn't agree on anything. If we did, we wouldn't have gotten here.

You said Partey duties is just attacking in that role while I said the bolded. That's why anytime you're bringing dem Tielemans or Odegaard to play that role, I'm always insisting that they can't since they lack the defensive attributes to play that role (I didn't bring attacking attributes since I know they already have it) but you said it doesn't matter. You even said Partey is not focused on the defensive duties and I proved it to you that it was false. It's that defensive issue that brought about the DM-CM brouhaha.

How you now suddenly agreed on Partey doing defensive duties well needs to be studied sha. From nowhere to are now-here

Jodera:
I've shown on this board countless times that If I'm certainly wrong over something with so much proofs and fact, I'll apologize, accept my goof and move on. I no stubborn too much to dey form agidi for head or to claim one unnecessary W, afterall we are all here to learn.

In this case,

1.. I've explained to you why someone like Tielemans or Odegaard can't play Partey role and why we need someone like Partey attributes, you still no wan open your mind
2.. I've explained and showed you countless proofs on why Partey is a DM and what DM does but you still no gree nor open your mind
3.. I've explained, used examples, quotes and screenshot on why the word "modern" exist and why it's an official generally accepted word in football terms, you still no gree nor open your mind


And the worst part is that you don't want to even give proofs or reason but you're just always stuck with your claim then start looking on how to punch holes in mine . This is just exactly like our Sambi-tavarez debate where instead of giving me points you just counter my already laid points

And the main reason why I even want us to end it is simple — the basics of that Partey's position is what we have contrasting ideas on.

Until we reach an agreement on that, I'm not sure we'll ever agree on that or even reach a compromise. Reason why I'm leaving it to time. You see it as running away, but I'm not.

Same way I left your "Nketiah will bench Lacazette before season end" to time and it favoured you spectacularly and also same way that you said "Sambi can replace Partey in that role as long as it's the same structure" and it backfired spectacularly.

It's also same way I'm saying let's leave this to time and it'll always have a way of answering all these debates. It's simple.

iamoyindamola:
Squad depth didn't make us lose 3 straight matches but stupid and baseless tactics
He used lonkonga in matches he could easily win

Like Roland said if we buy all the best players and this man doesn't have tactical sense to out smart his opponents we will be where we are
We saw how top coaches destroyed us last season because of his tactical deficiency

sarrki:
President joe Biden and kashim Shetima in a warm handshake

iamoyindamola:
Spuds want to sell regulion
He's way better and younger than Grimaldo though
Not injury prone too

Roland17:
Genuine effort to make top 4 you said? This is what you call progress? Since when did "Genuine effort" become a parameter to judge progress? In case you are not aware, these guys including your MCM are not volunteering to play. The last time I checked he just signed a bigger contract, so, please help me understand this "Genuine Effort" progress.

Listen man, if Arteta finished top 4, I would have been more understanding of some of your positions. It is so bad that I did not mind the Haram football if it meant we going to Europe..I mean! We were in position twice, both on a platter on gold but we flunked both chances and your MCM signed his contract once UEL was achieved. FA Cup is great but it doesn't change much neither can it be used as a strong parameter for growth, especially when it doesn't align with your league performances.

Fictitious demands on how to use players? Hahaaa.. I fit type 4 paragraphs easily on this but you are obviously on the Kool-Aid so it would make no difference. Fictitious he said...

The fact remains, we finished 5th before he came and since then, we finished 8th/ 8th and are now back where we were before we took over.

I have no smile to spare for you and your scam