BlueRayDick:


lol.

Benue people were never part of any Eastern region. U don't know history and u are laying claim to be an expert at it.

Those people u claim speak Igbo possibly migrated there a long time ago and they settled there. There's a Yoruba community in Delta state(I think they call them Olukumnmi or something like that). They migrated and settled there a long time ago; it doesn't mean they are indigenous to Delta na.

Back to Efik, what exactly are u using to back ur claim up that they were ever Igbo?

Use Google

Theflint1:


I'm not sure of the complete ethnic profile of Akwa Ibom, but Ibibio doesn't sound like Igbo sha, so what exactly is your reason for claiming Ibibio is Igbo?

Enugu doesn't sound Igbo to me either.

I am not saying everybody is Igbo. What I am saying is that the modern day idea of being Igbo is different from historical evidence. So that many communities today that claim to be apart from Igbo are actually Igbos.

In essence, Igbo is a generic identity. Simple

A001:

You're so ignorant. Even if I'm not Igbo, I know more about the Igbo spirituality more than you do. Christianity has corrupted the illusion of knowledge you think you've.

Traditionally, Chukwu isn't a title. Chukwu is the chief (pagan) god of the Igbos before the advent of Christianity in that sub-region.

Obasi, the chief god of the Efiks, Ibibios, and Annangs, is distinct from Chukwu, the chief god of the Igbos.

The British slavemasters taught that Chukwu is a title, and Chukwu is the same as Obasi, Yahweh, and Jesus, and you believe so in this day and age.

Lols

Very funny. Abassi isn't the same as Chukwu or Yahweh or Jesus Christ.

How will someone be saying this in the 21st century? Lols.

Just like those mumunis in South western states dey call Olorun Olodumare, the chief pagan god of the Yorubas, the same as Yahweh or Allah.

How will the country develop when most people demonstrate this low of intelligence in this day and age? Really pathetic

So many "dense" people in the country.

In all my engagement with you in this discussion of history and origins, I have not for once mentioned Jesus or Yahweh. You are the one mentioning those names. Yet I am the one who is being influenced by white slave masters.

Check yourself.

You said Efik call the diety Abassi which is correct. I said Igbos call Obasi. You claim to know Igbo spirituality more than me, yet you are struggling with juxtaposing Abassi and Obasi.

I guess you are ashamed that you are ignorant.

DissTroy:


They are extremely notorious for this. Extremely.. I stated it during the last back-and-forths here from Saturday to Sunday.

I stated it during the height of the "No man's land" saga pre and ante general elections. I stated the Igbos always trigger others needlessly then play victims. Always!


Notice how it started with Spy360 then Ihebu joined in and by evening all of them would join in. Predictable aggressive lots who bite first, gaslight then play the victims.

The fact that it irritates you means that there is truth in it.

When I give out such information, it is not meant for anyone to accept or reject. That choice is entirely personal. After all there are many people who have taken up other nationality. My cousins in Canada don't consider themselves Nigerians talkless of Igbo.

BlueRayDick:


While I don't subscribe to name calling in this discourse, I agree with u that spy is trying to rewrite history that was never written. He does not have any historical data or information to rely on to claim Efiks and other people in the South South and Middle belt are Igbos.

Maybe he has a point that the Igbo speaking parts of Rivers and Delta were originally Igbos but for the other South South states I believe he's just capping.

Start with the fact that Igbo is a generic identity. Same way we have Russians. Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc are all Russians. That's history. One may choose to deny it (something I am not opposed to) but then history remains what it is.

BlueRayDick:


Speaking a language does not mean anything at all. An Otukpo man will never agree with u his ancestors were Igbo because none of their historical records account for this Igbo origin u are trying to force on them. Igbos may have migrated to different parts of the country, but it doesn't mean they are indigenous to those places.

I find it disturbing that an Igbo person will try to force his history or culture on other people.

Which one is force? I travelled to Benue and met a community speaking Igbo. I asked them they said they are Igbos. I went back to my history of early Nigeria Eastern region and found out they were part of it and were only carved out by the military.

Whoever is using force is the ones trying to break the Igbo community. I didn't force them to speak Igbo.

Men like this should be part of national governance. Intelligent and clean.

DissTroy:


That's not my business. There are Ijaws here. Let them defend themselves. My loyalty is to the Ibibio people and when you wrongly attribute anything to the Ibibio (and Akwa Ibom by extension), I'd respond.

You can try to troll with a thousand emojis to cover you shame and deviate. The point is stop appropriating.

This is already tribal harassment. If this were that era, you know you would be singing "Kumbaya" in a dingy boat by now.

The funny thing in all this is that you can never be so sure whether you are really Ibibio or Igbo.

Ihebu4chelsea:
You are sick bro, Ukazi is ukazi. Afang is afang(overated though) Ibibio is not God that created ukazi Leaf. Like i said, Ibibio never reach

The apeman never eat Ofe Owerre. that's why he is bleating like aturu. One day I go carry am enter Mama Owerri restaurant make him taste Ofe Owerre.

Person wey nor get money cannot eat Ofe Ukazi.

A001:

Chukwu, Obasi, Oghene, Fenibeso are distinct entities. And no, they're not titles.

You're merely regurgitating the wrong history and lies taught to you in Sunday schools.

Those beings (pagan gods) were actual people (ancestors of present day humans) that existed in the past eras and were worshipped as one god or the other before the advent of Christianity in those areas.

They're not titles as you were taught in Sunday schools, and they're entities distinct from Yahweh or Jesus Christ.

I don't know why people refuse to apply common sense and learn their history. You're merely repeating the same lies the colonialists put in your head all about to corrupt your history.

Chukwu is not a title. That's the chief god of the Igbos before the advent of Christianity.

The same thing applies to Obasi/Oghene, Fenibeso and the others. They're pagan gods and ancestors of Africans, especially Igbos, Efiks, Ijaws, Ibibios.

They've nothing to do with your imported Yahweh or Jesus Christ that your slavemasters gave you.

How would a person be calling themselves educated in the 21st century and you know next to nothing about the history of your roots (your ancestors)?

Really shameful. Merely repeating the same lies you read in the Bible and Sunday school all about

You are not Igbo if not you should know.

Chi is not a god. It simply means destiny or ones fate.

Chukwu is Chi-Ukwu, meaning universal Chi. Chineke is the power of creation. These are titles. It's like when you call someone your sunshine. That doesn't mean it's a name.

The name attributed to the Supreme God in Igbo is Obasi.

DissTroy:


You are mád! Imagine a conquered people who were pillaged by all tribes in the Delta estuary, from Ijaws to Itshekiris to Ibibios claiming we are a subset of them.

You fuckiñg couldn't read and write while we were already lettered for decades. Until you were captured and sold off. Even the most famous one, was a captured man - Jaja.

You'd go fill Wikipedia with histories you imagined then come lie. If I didn't insistently state the 1929 Women Riot happened in Akwa Ibom, posting pictures and more, many of you would still be insisting.

Now you want to claim Nsibidi. On Wikipedia you wrote Ibibio and Igbo, next you'd edit it to add only Igbo. Is there an Ekpe cult which is the custodian of Nsibidi in Igbo land? No. How come you own it?

Same way you force Afang soup which has been an Ibibio cuisine for centuries as yours. Then rebranded it as Okasi.

What is wrong with you people?

Stop the forced kinship. We are not interested. Keep your appropriation to yourselves.

Jaja the captured one became King of Opobo.

Why are you so pained?

DissTroy:


I thought of a long rebuttal but then I thought what's the point of it when you lack basic understanding of geolocation to know the difference between South East and the South South where Akwa Ibom is located, or you are being mischievous.

You lots just like to force yourself on others even when you have been resoundingly told they have no ties to you. This argument was had just last December on this thread with Okpa and all doubts cleared. When you do this then appropriate other people's cultures.

We aren't interested and have no tribal ties to you. Why can't you get this and be on your way? Why force kinship with those who don't want it?

Remember clearly you started this so when and if it goes south, we know those who would gaslight and play the victim card on this thread.

You claim to know geolocations and you think calling South South has any meaning in geography? Even common sense knows it's meaningless.

The term was forced on us just to create divisions.

NB
I am not begging you to be Igbo. You can be Viking for all I care. I am just passing historic information. That's all.

Peace

A001:
A simple way to differentiate one ethnic group or tribe from the other is to check their spiritual beliefs or indigenous religion. Based on that test, Efiks are not Igbos because Abassi is the ancestor of the Efiks, who they regard as the chief god, while Chukwu is the ancestor of the Igbos and their chief god.

Abassi and Chukwu are not the same entities.

You are mistaken. Chukwu is a title. The name is Obasi.

BlueRayDick:


On what authority are u saying this? which history book are u quoting?

I also saw u mentioned Efik as being Igbo; how? U mean the Efik don't have their own history of how they came into being a group of people distinct from the Igbo's?

African ancient history is not documented but when you look at similarities in culture and traditions you have your facts. I have just used the Ekpe society as an example.

The Otukpo people in Benue speak Igbo, I understand them. Same as the Kwale people in Delta. You can Google Igbo people in Kogi state.

My point is the term Igbo is very generic and in reality is not limited to the five Eastern states

A001:

Okay, many people associate the writing system with the Igbos. Even the guy working on the project made mention of the Igbos in many parts of his works, though he never said Nsibidi originated from the ethnic group.

It is difficult to say because in ancient civilizations who you call an Igbo man covers the people from Cross River like the Ogoja people.

It is like when you refer to the Russians, a Ukrainian may deny he is not Russian. But he actually is.

BlueRayDick:


Are u saying their are indigenous Igbo people in Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Benue, Edo and Kogi? Or what exactly are u saying in the bold part of ur statement?

Yes.

A001:

Okay, I don't know much about una history in that sub-region.

The Ekpe secret society originated from the Efik speaking people but extended to the Igbo people. Ekpe society developed the nisipidi writings. That is why people say it is Igbo. In reality the Efik people are Igbos.

A001:

Okay, you're right. I don't know much about the Ibibio people. Many of us in the Southwest call all the tribes around there Igbo.

I'm more familiar with the Igbo people and their language.

Almost all the ethnic groups in the SE Nigeria are Igbos. The thing is that, Igbo is a very general identity with numerous variants. Before the civil war, most of those communities consider themselves Igbo. It was the Nigerian government in the bid to weaken the people and use the divide and rule tactics broke the Igbo people apart and made some deny their heritage for a morsel of bread.

I am Owerri for example. My dialect is almost the same as Ikwerre. I cannot understand a man from Enugu or Abakiliki. But Enugu is Igbo and Ikwerre think they are not.

The Igbo cultural set cuts across Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Delta, Benue, Edo, Kogi etc.

Jogs1900:
You are still crying on top election your candidate lost last year.

At what point will you stop using this defense line?

raumdeuter:


Senior man as this regime they favor you, Make you show me the way na

Meanwhile, if this Tinubu illegitimate government is serious about cutting cost, they must not let this woman remain as a minister. She is too uninformed and insensitive. She is a waste of resources. She can be re-employed when our economy can carry extra expenditure. But for now, she is a big no...

BlueRayDick:


So Canada is broke , America is broke , UK is broke and majority of their countrymen are living below the poverty line abi ?

All I'm saying in my post is that Nigeria is a broke country according to u and the APC government . This is not the time for Nigeria to be emulating those countries who have states with economies bigger than naija's economy .

I remember u are one of the people that said Nigeria has revenue problem . If indeed Nigeria has revenue problem I don't think Yinka and Seyi Tinubu should be traveling to Qatar with their father at the expense of Nigerian tax payers at this period of time when Nigerians are battling economic hardship .

That's the point I was trying to make and that has nothing to do with agenda. It's just common sense

Leave Raumdeuter. He doesn't see with his eyes anymore.

Ballzproblem2:
remove and reverse why didn't he just leave things as they were

Have you ever been in a situation after you boasted to your babe of how you finish girls for uni only for when she come your house your thing no come gree rise?

Na on top that manhood mandate we stand so

Ballzproblem2:
perfect depiction of how tinubu is leading Nigeria,man just dey do anyhow

In one breath he is shouting 'subsidy is gone' in another breath he subsidising fuel through back hand.

In one breath he is awarding 1billion for a committee that will look into 30k minimum wage and approving 160billion for cars, in another breath he is cutting cost of governance by closing down ministries

In one breath he is floating the naira to allow economic forces to determine FX rates, in another breath he is controlling FX rates by shutting down BDCs and online trading platforms

OasisX:


........and they would tell you PBAT had no plan. LOL!

BAT has a clear road map in leading the country to prosperity. Only fools rush in...

Jodera:

I've said it that let Havertz shock me and I'll be glad if he makes me eat my words on him.

I've said it here countless times, all I'm interested in is the progress of Arsenal and that means everybody should be of great quality.

If Havertz shock me continuously, na me go be the first person to tender apology to him.

Some of these things no deh complicated. Na we deh complicated am with unnecessary ego

So Havertz haven't shocked you yet with all his performances in his first season?

Jodera:

This was me accepting him even before he even kicked a ball and I've not been slating him unnecessarily the way I'm doing Havertz. Heck I even defended him last season when he played man city and co. Check out, I even posted his picture as me accepting him



We might have argued about him when we want to sign him but when it was confirmed (ie his signing), I accepted it in good faith.

The only person I'm against his signing from day 1 till now is Havertz and that's the only person presently I always said he should shock me.

Nothing concern me and you with Jorginho. Person wey last season I go make mouth with am for Chelsea thread naim you wan drag me for? You no serious

Ok. No problem.

You will still change mouth for Havertz

mostob:
Arteta wanted Odegaard but we the fans disagreed. To us, Maddison is way better.

Arteta went for Trossard. We blamed him for pulling out of Mudryk's deal.

When I heard the Jorginho rumour, I thought na prank until I saw the announcement.

Raya vs Ramsdale was so hot mehn. Media pulled the nationality card too. But now, nobody dey reason am again.

Although the jury is still out on Vieira and Havertz.

It may seems as if I'm supporting him but experience they say, is the best teacher. He is clearly in charge. Let him do what he wants. Has he made mistakes in the past? Yes. Is he still making mistakes? Yes. Will he make mistake in future? Probably.

Hopefully, Pep will go trophyless this season and run away. He has done enough

Speak for yourself. Both of us argued about this and that of Jorginho.

Jodera:
No, actually you're confusing me.

You and who follow do Jorginho?

E be like say you no read am well. I said Make Havertz shine like Jorginho so dat him work go dey speak for himself instead of needing you and spiritual eyes analysts as his defendants

I was the one who convinced you that signing Jorginho was a good deal. Remember how you lamented about the deal? Or do you have short memories?

Jodera:

Motm against Liverpool
Motm against Newcastle.

Even Chelsea fans suppose shock


Na so dem deh shock haters. Make Havertz try him own too. Him work go speak for himself. Him no go need Spy to deh do Attorney defendant for am every Matchday

I hope I have been able to convince you and not to confuse you my fellow codebators and panel of judges

Roland17:


Dan Burn made that goal line clearance and e pain my soul. A goal will do a lot to his morale. Big credit to Arteta for taking his starters out early and g Inc the bench players more minutes. In the past he would have kept them on until late 80 minutes. He was perfect with his coaching today.

When Newcastle were pushing for a goal towards the end of the first, he played a flat back 5 with Jorg joining the back 4 and Rice sitting in front, I thought that was a successful tactic that ensured we finished the first half 2-0.

Also when they were planning to pin down Saka, in the second half he moved him centrally. The ability of this team to shape shift is a big plus for Arteta.

One particular schlong was wrecking havoc in that pussy. When ever it was it's turn, her heart sinks and she lays a curse on her irresponsible son. Is this deja vu? Joseph was was the result of a similar scenery, just that that time she was the one bouncing up and down the mad man. She had been in that uncontrollable heat and her wet pussy was ready to Bleep anything and any dick. But this time was different. Her expired pussy could hardly take the amount of dick that comes to patronise her. Her condoms were all use up and worn out die to repeated usage. She had ask her son to go and fetch her some more. Her customers were impatient.

Cc Joseph1832