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daveP:
Lol. Is this an attempt to twist what i typed? So you still couldn't grab what i was getting at? 😂😂😂😂

accordadoga23:
Hehehe

Whether north cook beans or rice, no be my problem.

My own be say no Igbo man go ever rule Nigeria.

Whether Na Fulani, Yoruba, Hausa or even Ghanaian rule no wahala as long as no be Igbo man

daveP:
Lol. Primary role. Goal scoring when it's a nervy ucl 2nd leg night in 2011 than need to take you to the semis or final and a defender is thru on goal like Torres was vs Barca with all that Miami and Elegushi beach space left and right and you want to tell me it is down to primary role? Abegi noww. Haaland usage is off. He's the best goalscorer around right now. So using him to buttress Kai wasting 1v1 is off.


Once you're a footballer or basketball, how to find the net when you're very clear on goal is a must not an excuse if you miss. And that is aside unlucky times. We're talking of it being a norm. Swap Arteta with just 6 managers and that Liverpool miss ended up not being buried or no rebound and tell me if all 6 won't bench him straight.

Jodera:
Saliba and Gabriel is the best partnership we've ever gotten since I know arsenal. I don't know about keown/bould cos I never watched them but this two are the best I've known. Na why I deh vex when Arteta been bench Gabu begining of this season.

Anybody wey still no wan give Gabu him flowers just dey do strong head.

Jodera:
You can write this statement below as hypothesis;

"There are three categories of skills for footballers. They are physical, technical and cerebral"

You can't say Saka is the hand of arsenal while Saliba is the bone of Arsenal then claim it's a hypothesis.

Hypothesis in football terms simply means speculation or preview. In order words, it's something that hasn't happened yet but due to past data or information, you believe this will happen

For example, If you give reasons why you feel/think someone like Havertz will shine for arsenal before he was bought here and reasons why Arteta needs him, that itself is a hypothesis.

All what you're saying since and all what we've been talking about are information that have ALREADY happened or is presently happening. And categorising skills is never termed hypothesis.

You can't say Odegaard is a very good Am, then claim it's a hypothesis. That's a fact through OBSERVATIONS.

Just thank me for the lecture this morning.

Like I said earlier, when you're ready to talk away from hypothesis in this brain, hand and leg matter, then let's discuss.

mostob:
You clearly said they're the brain of the team sir.

All you typed here are still postulations without proof.

Jodera:
Wait, You're claiming it's a hypothetical skillset? Like you are watching something and you're still doing hypothesis in something we all are observing?
And same you still claim it's personal and when you wanted to start your article you started with :
"There are three categories of skills for footballers. They are physical, technical and cerebral"

Imagine you stating the above in italics and still claim it's hypothetical and personal.


You're not serious Spy. I no dey argue hypothetical and personal things.

How you want make I argue 1+1= 11 with you when it's your own personal calculation.

When you bring something that's general instead of personal and you bring something that's observatory instead of hypothetical we can have a discussion.

Gracias!!

mostob:
Both maybe under physical or technical.
But Cerebral? No. They're not the brain of the team as you claimed. Replace them with Tomiyasu and Jesus and we will still be fine. Those are not the kind of players you termed as cerebral.

daveP:
Are you saying that the coach is very aware that Kai is not expected to finish 1v1 or big chances? He doesn't need to play that position to score either(false or actual cf)

akwesenana:
Boss, please what's inverted midfield?

How can someone play there?

Emaprince:
Why are you scared to be called what you are - suffering and smiling

Even in the face of all the suffering and all the ebi mpawa, your concern is always Obi, who is not even the president of Nigeria or, by any chance, the cause of the people's misery.

People.can no longer afford to eat well again...your defence is to bring Obi into it as if the man is hoarding food?


Abi una dey punish people to teach Obi a lesson?

mostob:
No need for unnecessary drags. You mentioning White and Kai as cerebral players is what I'm arguing against. The explanation of cerebral you put up there doesn't correlate with their attributes.

mostob:
Ok..
Let's check your examples. You classified Kai as the brain of the team and Jesus as the 'hand'. Meanwhile, both actually does the same thing and play the same role.

You mentioned White as a cerebral player but he had nothing to do with all the goals that was analysed in that video.

Infact, going by your last paragraph, Gabriel, Martinelli, Zinchenko and Saka should be classified as cerebral players. You can see where you're contradicting yourself now.

mostob:
There is really no need to discredit the manager with all this Kai slander.
Fact is Auba was never serious. Like he lost interest in everything we were doing. How many months did it take the like of Xhaka, Saka and even Martinelli to adapt? Auba was not the only one... Pepe and even Sambi failed to adapt. That your second paragraph no follow abeg.

mostob:
But I won't deny that there is an iota of truth in what he said. Though the way he classified them and his examples may be debatable. Spy na one of a kind.

Jodera:
Actually, I knew he formed all those things from his head especially with those accompanying examples but I just wanted to give him benefits of doubt to prove me wrong.

Him no disappoint at all

daveP:
That's tue more reason coach playing him as CF is wack. If football was 12 men i wouldn't mind having him in any free role on the pitch. What's painful is he's missed 16 chances to bury balls this season. If we didn't win most of those games by others scoring, even you no go wan talk or defend him. But yeah, off the ball.

Jodera:
Is the bolded you trying to indirectly tell us you formed those terms from your head yet you want us to just gobble it up because you're the alpha and omega of football?
Even people wey dey embark on project, write articles and essays always have references to show yet you couldn't even bring one. Typical you, always forming words and definition of football terms from your head then turn around to accuse me of always rejecting it.

NB: Just because Havertz was instrumental in the first goal against Liverpool doesn't make him the "brain" in our team. I've watched that video a day after our win against Liverpool and because of you I have to rewatch it again, no where was cerebral ever mentioned (which was what I asked you to bring).
I guess you didn't watch his analysis Vs west ham where he specifically said it's through Odegaard our football flows and it was an in-game decision from Arteta that White have to play the Inverted role just so that Odegaard would be accessible. To put it clearly, Arteta basically have to bring Odegaard into the game for we to break their defensive shape.
If you've not watched it, see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5beivGJWHFc?si=4v65V5EPBhoo_3QD


Also, try and watch this too and see how Rice is also the brains behind this team. It also answers why we always need a false 9(in this system) instead of the traditional 9 most of us are always clamouring for here.

A traditional 9 won't make this system flow well. It's one of the main reasons arsenal got better when Auba was exiled and it's also one of the main reasons Nketiah isn't seeing match presently again (Jesus, Havertz, Trossard in that order). I'll encourage all of us to watch it if we haven't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPEJlPKWY84?si=5UEvVbh_JeAYR34f

mostob:
Excellent analysis. That Liverpool game was one of Arteta's best from tactical POV.
However, TBH, this video didn't categorically states who is cerebral, who is cerebellum and who is medulla oblongata. It is just a match analysis.

daveP:
What this analysis impresses on me mostly is we need a pacy finisher in that place. Dazall. Once again, he's very lucky that Saka was there to finish that move.

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaooo.. You dey see lamba.
So buhari could not jail anybody linked to that fictitious 16b dollars.

Something that CBN has confirmed that it wasn't up to the said 16bn dollars oo😭😭.

Jodera:
Yeah White is very much underrated and underappreciated with respect to what he brings to this team

But

While your analysis of different categories of skills in football is beautifully crafted, I don't quite agree with it.

1. In your categories, I believe it should be only two (physical and technical) and that the categories of cerebral should be given to technical cos that's essentially what technical skills is all about (spatial awareness, positioning and movement).

2. You concluded by calling Havertz, Jorginho and White "the brains" of the team.
Hmm, We all know that title belongs to Odegaard presently and to some extent Rice.
This duo are the ones that's making this system tick cos they involve much in the buildup, control, shape and press of the system, transitioning of attack and understanding the use of space well.
Calling them hand and leg or whatever is a great disservice to the work they're doing at arsenal.

Take out Odegaard and put Havertz (your brain) in his position and take out Rice and put Jorginho (your brain) in his position and let's see whether this system won't crumble.
The only person who can confidently replace Rice in this setup for long is Partey and that's because he also is another brain of the team.

Meanwhile the people you termed as Cerebral or the "brain of the team" players are the players that can be easily be replaced without feeling any huge drop in form. Everyone knows this. White for Tomi, Havertz for ESR/Trossard, Jorginho sef na bench player.
There's a reason they're called "brains" to start with.


3. I would love to see any article, site or blog (or even videos) where you at least referenced this write-up from, for clearer understanding, cos I've searched and searched and I didn't see any Cerebral skill in any category of skills for footballers.
I will be expecting.

raumdeuter:
This is an article from 2009 way before APC that the House was investigating Obasanjo for 16bn for power project led by the house committee

The 16bn power issue has been known in public domain sine early Yar Adua days from 2007

liveLongNprospa:
Whether it was stolen is not an issue.
But these guys want to paint a picture that everything was looted before them hence their incompetence.
Na the same propaganda monerozi5590 dey battle now against BAT supporters😂😂😂

liveLongNprospa:
There was someone here that tried to project me as a liar when I said the CBN gave Dangote dollars at a subsidised rate. An apc supporter.

Now imagine my surprise seeing another strong apc supporter using it as a point to attack meffy😲

And what sort of lie is this.

OBJ spent 16b dollars on light?

Make una dey lie with sense abeg.
OBJ spent about 2.6b on light.
I know this because I followed the argument made by apc people that you lifted that figure from.
The guy corrected himself before going offline for 2days when he could no longer lie again.

Fucking liar

mostob:
I like your analysis but going by your explanation of cerebral, Ode comes first, then Rice. Jorginho too if he is in the starting lineup. White is just like Gabriel and Saliba. And please Rice is not just 'bone' , he is a cartilage and muscle too.

Jodera:
Lol... You don catch me


But it's obvious na

mostob:
You should know the reserves i.e. the bench players will always come first before the youngsters. There are those coming back from injury that need minutes to get back into shape. Let him do whatever he wishes to do...

iamoyindamola:
The last time arsenal scored 4 first half goals we drew the match against Newcastle