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https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp?continent=africa
South Africa's GDP...... $294.84B
Nigeria's GDP............ $405.10B

You are just making lame excuses for bad governance which is amazing,
Let me try and simplify it to you level
A restaurant owner has 10 customers that spend N150 on a meal because they earn N18,000, the customers get an increase to R65,000 and start spending R600 on each meals, even leave tips, the effects ripple down to her staff. Now according to the law governing minimum wages in Nigeria, family businesses, small enterprises, religious organisations, charitable organisations and others receives exclusions or exemptions, this restaurant included,
Now you see the folly of fighting against an increment in workers salary based on your ignorance?? Your type truly amaze me bro

https://www.smallbusinessinsight.org/blog/minimum-wage-no-exemption-period-for-smes
''.....While a number of countries (Nigeria, Morocco, the US and the Philippines) exempt micro firms from the national minimum wage...''


What does it matter if I run a business or not? do the politicians that refuse to increase workers salary run businesses? instead they are totally oblivious to the reality of the average Nigerian,
N18,000 buys you 124 liters of fuel, can't you see the irony of that?

LordAdam16:
Id*ot can you also quote the dollar equivalent of the national budget of South Africa as well as their GDP per capital?

M*ron!

The same SA that produces 40,000+ MW, while Nigeria produces only 4,500+MW.

And can you answer the simple question--"Do you run a business"?

-Lord

They all talk about how good it was in their days, but have given us hell in ours, SOWORE2019

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/223035-nigerias-minimum-wage-stands-60-south-africa-introduces-260-minimum-wage.html

Here is a snippet from the link ''......Nigeria's current minimum wage is N18,000 ($60) with organised labour asking it be increased to at least N50,000 ($166), despite several state and local governments ... Mr. Ramaphosa said the national minimum wage, which equates to 20 rand (1.50 dollars) per hour, would come into effect in May 2018....''

Sensible governments are taking care of their people you are defending slave labour here trying to sound smart, you are a slave I have told you earlier, you need to free your mind from mental slavery bro, that you were born into this quagmire doesn't mean you should defend it!!!! MUMUNI ABURO DEJO

LordAdam16:
Imbecil*!

Are we talking about hourly wage here or monthly minimum wage?

Did you find any reference to hourly wage in the OP? Do we work with hourly wage in Nigeria? Or why are you trying hard to be st*pid?

N66,500 as the minimum wage is unsustainable. Period!

And where did I say in all my replies that workers shouldn't get a raise? You can't stick to one issue, yapping unintelligibly like a canary bird.

-Lord

Your mistake is to assume hungry and extremely poor people think straight, you expect people living like animals not to behave like animals?
You see people crossing deserts to leave Nigeria and you still don't get it!
Why do you think the rich/politicians ALWAYS build a separate place for themselves to live in and move around with armed security men? because it's dangerous living among the poor, I doubt youths in a middle income area would even disturb themselves with Ali Baba,
We need to stop ACTING like we are in a civilized environment abeg it's a charade, you live in a war zone
Militants in Niger delta, Fulani's in Middle belt, Boko Haram in North, 75 years old man as president.

Skepticus:
Your excuse is a lame, bro!

A brother offering to help would take a lot of people out of the poverty trap.

Let's stop excusing ignorance for our stupidity

You are the slowpoke here,
Firstly, I have explained multiple times that work compensation should be placed on an hourly basis, just like some construction labourers are paid by the day and sometimes take home more money monthly than say some bankers.

Secondly, the more money in circulation among workers, the more the positive ripple effects in the economy and productivity, and the more the woman selling food makes,(people stop buying rice without meat etc) the more the salesgirl makes, the easier for the sales girl to further her education or do whatever with the little she saves. Thats why the economy is stagnant, people can't empower themselves

Even in UK/USA that earn way more than Nigeria, citizens are still asking for a bridge between the rich and poor

You know what, you win, workers should be getting N18,000 per month, how dare they complain? MUMUNI

LordAdam16:
I asked you several questions which you haven't answered. Now answer just this one, do you have a business?

Let me know if I'm replying an an*mal who hasn't created a job in his life. Na only to share una sabi. Nonsense!

You'd pay a salesgirl selling 250 naira food N66,500 at the end of month, because them dey pluck the money. M*ron!

-Lord

Hey lady vote atiku or buhari, na ur palava

rainylad:
Goodbye!!

What were Dino, Yahaya Bello's qualifications? I am talking about a youth with precedent you are talking about people with pawns brought to power by their godfathers, you mention 2 young people from the 1,000's of politicians that have been ruling us to disqualify a youth hmmm
So you think it's the PDP's and APC's that would give you restructuring LMAO
If you continue to run from electing a young capable man/woman as president, you children would still have to do it, there is no running away from it,

rainylad:
Youths like Yahaya Bello(the Kogi State Governor,Dino Melaye e.t.c ba ?..Kindly let me be cos i am clearly more realistic than a hundred of you...if you understand what restructuring entails,you would not be saying all these cos you sound like someone in LaLaland.

I wish una luck..bye.

Oh gosh, minimum wages should be determined at an hourly basis, you shouldn't employ a sales girl full time if you can't pay, are you really this stupid?? employ a sales girl for 3-4 hours a day if you can't employ on full term basis, so that he/she can use their efforts on other jobs, you should be advocating for the end of slave labour but you seem hell bent on proving your level of stupidity.
Mehnnnn when poverty has taken over a mind, it wants everybody to think poorly

LordAdam16:
Answer my questions first!

It is very clear you are completely daft! Go and employ a salesgirl and pay her N66,500! Rubbish!

Typing like an uneducated tout.

-Lord

LMAO It's not slavery if it's the law hehehe Slavery was once law, slave labour is law in many countries
I want to ask you a simple question, how are Nigerians able to work 3 jobs AT ONCE in the US and Europe?
I understand you were born in this mess and know no other way but there is a better way,
Your argument is that people need to continue living in poverty otherwise the economy would collapse, can't you see you are a slave?
A typical sales girl works from morning till night plus weekend, no overtime pay nothing, no opportunity to do other jobs for slave wages but you think it's perfectly normal?
I am not surprised a lot of Nigerians think 24hours electricity is actually impossible

LordAdam16:
Oga stop typing nonsense.

Civil service is 40 hours per week. Many salesgirls work longer hours in a week.

So if it's per hour, you should pay salesgirls more. How old are you sef?

. A canteen for example would sell food for 250-500 depending on location. That's less than $0.8-$1.3. Can you get food for that price in the developed world?

Or don't you use your brain to reason? Do you know how the economy works? In fact, do you run a business?

-Lord

The movement is still garnering coalition of youth movements and other less known political parties, I am also waiting for the announcement,

Jolar101:
Which is Sowore's political party.
My PVC is for him comes 2019.

I had opportunity to listened to him on energy platform. This is a qualified youth for 2019 presidency.

Bro, your problem is that you, like most Nigerians living in Nigeria don't understand the meaning of minimum wage, minimum wages are pegged at hourly rates, that means if I employ a cleaner, I would pay him/her for the 4 or 5 hours he works for me, if he works 6 hours, I would have to pay him/her overtime of 2 hours, that is how it works in the real world, that is why Nigerians in the UK/USA can work 2,3 even 4 jobs at once, remember a cleaner also has hopes and dreams, that is why we are clamoring for a young leader that understands how the world works but the youth wants to preserve this old analog system that keeps producing ghost workers, the government doesn't even know how many workers/students are in Nigeria at any one time.
SOWORE2019

ultron12345:
let me ask you. If u own a business, will u pay ur cleaner N65000. If u do so, what do u think will happen to ur products and services. The prices will increase. If everyone in the country is made to pay minimum wage, prices of goods and services increase, and when everybody earns such high minimum wage, they end up paying more for those goods and services causing inflation and crashed in naira value. This increase will not help matters, at the end of everything, the price hike will cancel out the increase, when minimum wage is N10000, rice was N100 per cup, if that wage is increased to N1million, rice will increase to N10000 per cup, what's the difference, nothing.

Like someone stated, an uneducated mind is easy to control

Ask for clarification if you don't understand what minimum wage means, it's calculated hourly, if you hire a sales girl, you pay her for the hours you can afford, that's why developed and developing world pay wages per the hour, that is why people can afford to have 2 or even 3 jobs at once abroad, when you employ a sales girl, she shouldn't work for you for 30 days and get N18,000. That is slavery,
My bad on the quote it was N125 Billion running cost for 2017 not N600B, up from N115B in 2016

http://venturesafrica.com/here-is-what-we-know-about-the-budget-passed-by-the-national-assembly/

LordAdam16:
It does not cost N600b to run NASS. Stop typing nonsense to prove your point.

Will you pay a cleaner or a restaurant food vendor (salesgirl) N66,500 if you had a business in this current Nigeria? Or how do you guys reason?

If you want to fight wastage and corruption, fight it, don't use it as an excuse to ask for an untenable wage structure.

-Lord

I see you are a joker, the link you sent me is dated 2016, so you see politicians don't care.
Of course politicians are the scapegoats, don't you understand they are CIVIL SERVANTS? we sent them there to serve us and we are saying N18,000 is a joke, even N65,000 is a joke, take out rent, school fees, feeding transport, etc, dude you should be fighting for your future not climbing over yourself to defend civil servants turned overlord.
I would leave you with a poem by Henry Barlow, between an African politician and his driver


[b]"Today I did my share in building the nation.
I drove a Permanent Secretary to an important, urgent function
In fact, to a luncheon at the Vic.

The menu reflected its importance
Cold bell beer with small talk,
Then fried chicken with niceties
Wine to fill the hollowness of the laughs
Ice-cream to cover the stereotype jokes
Coffee to keep the PS awake on the return journey.

I drove the Permanent Secretary back.
He yawned many times in the back of the car
Then to keep awake, he suddenly asked,
Did you have any lunch friend?
I replied looking straight ahead
And secretly smiling at his belated concern
That I had not, but was slimming!

Upon which he said with a seriousness
That amused more than annoyed me,
Mwananchi, I too had none!
I attended to matters of state.
Highly delicate diplomatic duties you know,
And friend, it goes against my grain,
Causes me stomach ulcers and wind.

Ah, he continued, yawning again,
The pains we suffer in building the nation! So the PS had ulcers too!
My ulcers I think are equally painful
Only they are caused by hunger,
Not sumptuous lunches!

So two nation builders
Arrived home this evening
With terrible stomach pains
The result of building the nation-in different ways!"

-- Henry Barlow --[/b]

LordAdam16:
Yes, and the FG AFAIK proposed a 45k minimum wage. Which is around $125 at the real exchange rate of 360/$.

https://guardian.ng/news/govt-to-propose-n45000-wage-meets-labour-today/

This is reasonable as the 18,000 minimum wage was made when exchange rate was 150/$. Around $120.

So where is this 66,500 number coming from?

I have never seen you guys for once protest the state governors' inability to pay the 18,000 minimum wage even after the bail out from the FG. But if it's to stay online and insult other people you guys would be quick to raise your hands.

No one really thinks about this nation. Everybody is in a hurry to eat their share, stability be damned. And you guys conveniently use the politicians as scapegoats.

We all know 66,500 minimum wage is unsustainable, but you are hoping the politicians say yes. When they say yes and they aren't able to meet up, you turn around and cry foul.

-Lord

That's the whole point of #takeitback, from LGA to senatorial districts to governorship to Presidency,
Restructuring and secession are just pipe dreams with old men leading us, no Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, South South, Middle Belt politician cares about that one bit, heck if Nigeria restructures, the young would still fight to drive these old men out of power, there is no going around it. These are the things the youth should be fighting for instead of trying to pull each other down, if we don't support the youth who the heck would?? wake the hell up abeg!
Minumum wage in some 3rd world countries;
Nigeria............$50
Afghanistan.....$95
Bangladesh.......$68
Benin................$74
Botswana..........$60
Burkina Faso.......$68
Cameroun........$74
Cote d Ivoire.....$72......You get the point right? Nigeria should be competing with Better countries not paying less than these shitholes stop fighting for your oppressors abeg it's disgusting, you should be filled with anger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

rainylad:
..and who told you Sowore will pay whatever he said he would??...because he said so??..pleaseeee!!!!..y'all need to learn from experience..seriously.

..Listen up dude,no politician or individual can pay jack or get Nigeria out of the doldrum she has found herself,not with the useless structure Nigeria operstes with!!!....restructuring or secession is the way forward..Any other thing na pure wash,and that includes Sowore..

..thats all.

I am curious to know how you came about that, and why would you think Buhari is the best candidate? can you mention 1 APC manifesto that has been realized that makes them deserve another term? a very healthy 75 years old man probably spends 7 hours maximum awake in a day, Buhari on the other hand is sickly so a maximum of 4 hours, Nigeria needs a young dynamic leader and crusader that is why I would be voting for Sowore. Nigerian's don't even realize there was nothing like journalism until Sahara reporters came in, for example James Ibori is also the publisher of The Independent Newspapers Ltd lol. We are telling the youth to contest their LGA, Senatorial district, Governorship but the youth are still fighting for these old men, are they not mad?

fiizznation:
I kinda agree with some points you raise up there. The killings are getting too much. Boko haram killing here and there, "herdsmen" also killing with reckless abandoned. But the question I will continue to ask wailers like yourself is this; who do you think should succeed buhari in 2019? Is it Atiku, makarfi, Donald duke, Sule lamido, fayose or kwankwaso? Name that credible person that you think will perform better than buhari. PDP did 16yrs there and what did they do? Absolutely nothing!!! The buhari gov't is just 3yrs old and everyone is expecting some miraculous wonders from him. The man isn't a prophet or angel.


Buhari might have performed woefully(his scorecard is still better than Jonathan's scorecard), but I still insist, the oldman is the best option we currently have for now which is very unfortunate. Anyway I'm still waiting to see a candidate that have what it takes to get my vote in 2019, whether he is a xtian, Muslim or pagan, I don't care. As long as he is sound, credible and competent, I will sideline buhari and vote for him.


I thought sowore was an option, but after reading his contradicted, childish and silly manifesto, I only shook my head.

Buhari is still the best option we have!!!

That is not an excuse, even if the minimum wage is N5,000 some politicians won't pay, that's we told y'all Sowore2019, but instead you are telling the youth to be realistic and continue this broken system, you realize N66,500 is just $190 #takeitback from LGA to Presidency, enough of these leaders that think paying their workers $50 p/month is OK,

rainylad:
The guy is actually right!!..ask yourself how consistent the government all all levels had been at paying even the current minimum wage..

Leave your idealistic world and face reality..reeling out the amoount politicians corner for themselves will not translate to actual payment for workers as at when due...Nigeria is a sick country,and you all should realise that.

There is no money to pay workers $190 per month? If the government was white and pays the Nigerian workers $50 that is currently paid, we would all scream racism, It costs over N600 Billion to run NASS, and there is no inflation, Sowore was on a radio station and the presenter asked him if Nigeria can really have 24hrs electricity, stop parroting this 'government can't afford it'' nonsense, there is enough money to spend $3Billion looking for fuel, $1Billion to buy jets etc, abeg fight for your fellow Nigerians

ultron12345:
anyone that understands secondary school economics will know this is a futile mission. Firstly, the government can't afford it, secondly, Increasing the minimum wage will lead to inflation and a reduction in the value of naira.For example, if u were buying a cup of garri at N100 when minimum wage is N10000, then u should be ready to buy that cup at N1000 if the minimum wage is increased to N100000. Everything will cancel out each other, there will be no advantages, only numerous disadvantages.

What they should clamour for instead is the increase in the value of the natural such that even the wage is reduces to N10000, that N10000 will be able to buy what N100000 could buy before.

And again, it will do nothing more than increasing our recurrent expenditure.

You can't expect normalcy when a man goes home with N18,000($50), every 30 days and even with than the gov't still won't pay !!!! 112Million people live in poverty, forget all that grammer

Skepticus:


The truth is, the citizens are their own worse enemy, especially among the poor and under-privileged class.

The Crab Syndrome is real!!!

LMAO, If Buhari has ZERO pity for Shiites that are Northerners, I just pity Southern Christians

As harsh as it sounds, the North should have known pulling kids out of school and filling their heads with Islam and zero empowerment would blow up in their face, unfortunately the Northerners have successfully bred and are continuing to breed terrorists

tayot1:
Kids like you should not be allowed access to public fora

I hope current Soldiers are seeing their future, if dem like make dem no support youth

No infighting between 2 Abrahamic religions, it's the usual suspects up to their shenanigans,

I think we would be more surprised if Buhari/Northerners commission an IT center, this is their forte, we shouldn't expect more, a president that budgets 7% for education has no plans for the youth

Sahara Reporters exposed the 3rd term bid not politicians, una wey go collect money and oil block as usual, Nigerian elite ko, una make unasef elite na wah ooooo, this structure must break in 2019

http://www.punchng.com/defence-minister-blames-herdsmen-killings-on-anti-grazing-law-route-blockage/

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2018/02/03/benue-killings-igp-blames-anti-grazing-law/

You Buhari supporters are going gradually insane I swear, you are starting to lack human feelings

Kaziar:
Its very funny that a lot of Nigerians remember what different career politicians say about those responsible for the killings but can't tell you what the DSS responsible for internal security say about it.
And hope you all know Chad and Niger both countries that share borders with Nigeria also share extensive borderlines with Libya whose current instability has led to very porous regional borders. To say there is an influx of sophisticated weapons and jihadists into the nation via porous borders is an understatement, securing our borders and regulating the movements of people as regards our country and the sub region is the first and most important step in securing the Nation.

You think everywhere is like Yoruba land where muslims and christians live in peace? you better keep quiet there

adekhingz:
If you don't understand anything about Islam, you ask. NEXT TIME, you shouldn't peddle lies about ISLAM.

Corruption is fighting back and seems to move into the community after the residents are sacked, corruption is fighting and the president has not even mentioned it but they have made Dino's case trend, you are delusional

Newpride:
Corruption is really fighting back in this country.

This is more than Fulani killing because of cow but because powerful people have had their hands in it just to make sure the country isn’t settled so that the attention of the federal government can be diverted from their corrupt cases thus the heavy corruption cases Will die down naturally.

Those in high places are behind these massacres. They are in the senate, house of reps, presidency, NPF, Nigeria Army. Name them all.

They are so embittered because governance is more business as usual.

But you believe in Freemasonry, Ogboni, Society of Jesus (Jesuits), Rosicrucian Order etc Learner, you think whites don't dabble in the occult? L

donstan18:
I'm not a good fan of Bbnaija, but that doesn't mean I should believe any rumor that spreads around concerning someone's success. From all I could understand, BBNAIJA is not just a reality show, but a game and business strategic means to make money by entertaining their viewers.

You don't expect Biggie to turn their reality entertainment show to a religious show for viewers, we have lots of religious channels where one can watch people speaking, preaching, dancing, falling and laughing in tongues.

Owing the fact that the show is nothing without its viewers and the voters, they don't want to loose viewers because most of their viewers might have different religious beliefs, while some might be atheists, hence their lack of religious activities.

That's a business strategy and it's clear, we should be free from religious superstitious bondage, everything must not be spiritual for us, we should think straight for ones.. I'm not supporting or celebrating immorality, i'm only trying to let you know that it's very very wrong to quickly conclude and believe that one's success is spiritual, it's wrong. Please understand the concept of the show, I maybe wrong thou.

Concerning the fame. My brother you can't participate for a reality show just for 2 weeks and you wouldn't get the fame, it's not done, imagine people seeing you on their TV screen everyday for 2 weeks and you expect not to get the popularity.

I'll end this by saying Poverty is the deadliest disease we all should work hard not to contact

I really think we are asking a lot from these Northerners by asking them to lead the country, hehehe, aboki sha

No wonder the government keeps spending less on education, just see these people hehehe

UNICEF building toilets lol this country sef