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Again we really need to start teaching history and current affairs not only in schools but everywhere there is a Nigerian like this.

UK can and will release him if the price is right.

Eminent2025:
UK is not like Nigeria, Nigeria is a lawless country, US ,UK Europe is a law abiding country they don't consider your position when you commit they put u in prison

Nigeria law is only for the poor

It is impossible to fall short of the Glory of God though.

Only one country to invade Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria...awon ole.

Don’t abandon her; keep paying her school fees, no matter what.

However, have a talk with her, not a warm or gentle one. Set clear boundaries.

Now this part is the most important bit. Then wait. When she crosses a boundary, you MUST act decisively and excessively. She needs to see that you mean what you say; she needs to feel the consequences to understand.

If you fail to act each time she crosses a line, or if your response isn’t strong enough to make an impact, she'll keep pushing and will never learn.

Let her give you the silent treatment if she wants; as long as she answers when spoken to and fulfils her responsibilities in the house, leave her be.

Solofresh2:
Honestly I can't help abandoning her because my mind will be there

Here we go, when two minorities women were rapevbd because of their ethnicities, it didn't make Nairaland news. Not did the marches against minorities.

When the Senegalese family were keeilled as well because of their faith in the US, it didn't make the news and so many others.

I am Yoruba. I hatte both of them. I won't stand up nor would I bow for them.

Rekeb:
I guess you are not Yoruba. So it wouldn't matter to the Yorubas if you like or dislike any of them.

I can't believe there are people justfying this cruelty

This is false. There were Igbo Communities with Kings.

tunde1200:
Igbos no get kings lineage no put mouth for matter wey no dey your lineage.

I diislikee the Ooni immensely but this Alaafin appears to be very rvde and arrogant.

I find this very interesting because Turkey isn't exactly practicing.

We like being funny.

Yes it is Haram and yes it is great disbelief.

Azzik:
They will say his Haram... funny religion

They don't need to claim Aram

Qur'an and hadith say it is haram. Maybe you should go and argue with the Quran then. Abi, tell us to abandon the Quran so we don't be extremist.

We don't care if you call is extremist. Yous re iggt, we are extremist. We don't care.

Emmy000seun:
If not for some religion extremist, and politician trying to break us through religious line, interreligious relationship has been so good in Nigeria except the northerners.. imagine alfa dancing with his Quran..but let his other extremist brother saw the video now, dey will claim it's Aram..

Alright
Thank you

Qualityoffer:
Your response points to what my bible tells me in Colossians-4-6: Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

The moniker I quoted has explained what she meant and she is right within the category of women she is addressing.

Qualityoffer:
You're blessed. My bible has you in mind when it tells me in Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

With or without feminism, reality remains unchanged.


In the real world, many men earn less or not enough, some lack vision, or take things for granted, and waiting around for them to change isn't a practical step and you can't force them to change either. So she steps up because she wants more for herself and for her kids i.e better food, better education, a better life.

The other option is to live single, which can bring peace, but with its own struggles. So a lot of them keep going, doing double the work, because deep down, she hopes that get effort will guarantee that her children will have something better.

It's easy to say a man should fully provide, cover most of the expenses, or even help with the chores but the reality is, he's an adult, and sometimes life or his own choices get in the way.

pocohantas:
Lol @ how can you be a femimist and want a provider. That is how they convince one innocent lady to do 50:50. Then she cooks, cleans, births the kids, do the emotional labour, takes the career dip and contributes a good percentage of her income __until the scales falls off her eyes and she becomes resentful.

I am slowly beginning to not pity women who fall into that trap.

You can argue all day, but my point is ALSO clear: Christian churches and white Christians were deeply complicit in slavery. They didn’t just enslave people; they committed atrocities that went far beyond forced labour including human experimentation on living enslaved people and their Slavery was the Worst

Jesus himself never condemned slavery, nor did he oppose the genocides described in scripture. If he were God, he sanctioned the same violence including killing children and allowing enslavement in the Bible as well. Their justification came from the Bible (see Ephesians 6:5; Titus 2:9; 1 Peter 2:18; Exodus 21:7; 1 Samuel 15:3; Leviticus 25:44–46).

Let’s not even start with Nazi Germany, whose perpetrators overwhelmingly identified as Christians, not atheists.


Islam, by contrast, had established principles limiting slavery, encouraging manumission, and protecting the rights of captives to the extent that some theologians insist that it was meant to eradicate slavery and was revolutionary at its time. Christianity and Judaism never implemented similar safeguards. Even today, remnants of these narratives persist, and history cannot be erased.

The facts are there, and they speak for themselves.

TV01:
I was clear on my entry point. The TAST was not the worst slave trade ever. The arab\islamic one was. Period. But please keep mewling and flailing all over the place. Here are a few non-Christian sources.

https://wardheernews.com/the-arab-slave-trade-a-forgotten-chapter-in-african-history/
https://www.fairplanet.org/dossier/beyond-slavery/forgotten-slavery-the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-sex-trafficking/#:~:text=The%20Trans%2DSaharan%20Caravan%20focused,and%20thirst%20along%20the%20way.

The Christian vs. the Islamic scriptures. No matter what TAST did, no matter who was involved, the Christian scriptures clearly presented do not support slavery and it was Christians who eventually abolished slavery - EOS. Nor is there any Christian chattel slavery today.

Islam however, embeds it and still practices it. Nonsense about "upwardly mobile slaves" is laughable. All your duff comments are waffle - designed to defect and obfuscate. Keep pivoting to race based action and not what your heretical sect demands. Abdi is your generation .



No need to explain or justify. Just accept your deen for what it is - unrelentingly, unapologetically ,inhumane, regressive, oppressive, brutal and bloodthirsty.


TV

It was a matter of time after what is happening around us in Niger, Mali and other parts of world.

Munafiqoons

Domestic abuse can happen to anyone whether you are married rich, poor, educated or religious.

I can't remember Jesus anulling slavery in the Biboe.

But I do remember your God commanding genocide, total wiipey out of whole communities including children and new borns

I can't remember Jesus in the Bible apologising or regretting or saying old testament laws don't apply anymore. That is your man made interpretation... shaping God to fit white liberalism.

TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in . Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya ). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave .


TV

Of course, it was maaliciovs. Your blivndness saw my reply but not your brother's original comment; not surprised there. Hyocrisi must be your twin brother.

Because Christianity ended up changing the narrative which is still present today...cue the KKK and modern white nationalist movements; does not erase how the Bible and Christian institutions were used to justify the mistreeatmeent of Black people. The so-called "Cvrse of Noah" (the Ham/Noah story: Genesis 9:20–27) was repeatedly invoked to legitimise racciial slavery and the brvtal hierarchies that followed.

Even the Church wasn't left out of the slave trade; in fact it allowed, encouraged, profited from, and directly partook in it from institutions that trace back to the Roman Empire through later Catholic and Protestant bodies (including the Jesuits, the Church of England, and others). That’s historical fact; the apologia that comes later doesn’t change the original complicity.



I mean, aren’t we talking about the same Bible that contains laws allowing a father to sell his daughter as a servant? (Exodus 21:7–11 ) Please come off it.

When I spoke about slave upward mobility, I wasn’t referring to Bilal; I was talking about court administors, Governors, military commanders etc. Not a gotcha you were hoping for.

Whether you like it or not, it is a fact that Islam developed principles regulating slavery and encouraging manumission and slaves were to be enemy combatants that you fought against; Whereas Christianity and Judaism societies historically developed legal and scriptural frameworks that were often used to justify slavery rather than to abolish it.

Finally on scale and specific hoorrrors that distinguish the Atlantic slave system from of Arab slavery, your Christian folks codified race based chhaattel slavery, laws for slaves; experimented on them, organised vigilanttee violence and lynchhinngs against them even when it was later abolished, forced breeddiing, packed them like sardines...have you watched roots at all?


I have this rule, it is a rule for eedeeiots. People who insist Allah doesn't mean God, insist that Islam came from Syria, or that The Romans founded Islam and Catholicsm or even preach Takiya....are just plain ztvpid and irredeemable. Frankly, they are a joke! The list is inexhaustible. You fall into one of the categories.

TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in . Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya ). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave .


TV

Both systems were horrific — but in very different ways.

Europeans, mostly good Christian, infliicteed extremei dehvmanissation: Enslaved people were packed like sardines on ships, displayed in “zoo galleries,” violeentlly attacked, and in some cases used for human experimevtss.

Brutal labor left permanent scars; mortality rates were extremely high. Justificationscame biblical interpretations claiming Africans were descendants of Noah’s cursed son. The system aimed for permanent subjugation, erasing identity, language, and culture, while skin color determined status.


Take a guess who is repeating similar patterns today in Palestine and Congo… your Judeo-Christian "brothers." Even Netanyahu referenced it by its biblical name: Amalek.



On the other end, for Arab slavery, the historical practices diverged from Islamic principles already laid down both in the Qur'an (Qur'an literally has verses on charity to slaves including manumission), and scholars repeatedly condemned it. Empires like the Ottoman tolerated slavery for profit and they knew it was wrong. Even then, manumission was encouraged and existed widely.

Slaves could achieve upward mobility, some held political or administrative roles. Discrimination based on ethnicity was frowned upon; Black Muslims, Persians, Indians, and others could rise in society. Identity, religion, and social integration were often preserved, even amid brutality

TV01:
The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


TV


^{ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.}

That puts things into perspective then @ nlfpmod

ALLNIGERIANSMAD:
NO, not same God, god dey call his name when beheading people isn't same God, this governor is a born Christian but Muslim by political affliction

Not because he stepped into a church but because he worshipped as a Christian.

AndroBlaze:
Interesting.

Why is he no longer a muslim (in your opinion)?

Is it because he stepped into a church?

He is no one's brother in Islam because he is actually not a Muslim. This isn't one of those religious issues that is a matter of opinion.

He is outrightly no longer a Muslim for all intents and purposes.

rummmy:
I hope it will go on well with his fanatical brothers that will accuse him ot blasphemy

Actually he isn't a Muslim.

If he dies now, he wouldn't and shouldn't be buried as one. God is very CLEAR and DIRECT on what makes a Muslim. And there is no such thing as a liberal Muslim. You are either a Muslim or not. You can be struggling with certain aspects of the faith but there are key things that makes a Muslim outlined in the Qur'an.

Rexnegro:
He might just be a liberal Muslim that's all

No. He is actually not a Muslim at all.

It is not my opinion. It is Quran's

Islam is very strict on matters of shirk. Once you take that step, you are completely and wholly and irredeemably out of Islam. If he dies without repentance that anyone is aware of, he won't be buried as a Muslim. Anyone that goes ahead to bury as a Muslim, would be committing a big sin as well.


So no, he isn't a different breed or Muslim. He is just not a Muslim no matter how much he says otherwise.

osuofia2:
Bago is a different bread of muslim. The man is a great guy, I wish others are like him, he is a definition of live and let's live. I love him

Let's break it, shall we?

Did you miss the part where my God said that the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him) is no different from that of Adam (peace be upon him)?

Adam had neither father nor mother; he was created with the word when God said, “Be, and it is” — just as Jesus was.
(Āl ʿImrān 3:59)

Did you also skip the part where Jesus (peace be upon him) said that he will die and be raised again alive meaning on the Day of Judgement?. Before twisting that statement, note that John (peace be upon him) used the same expression in the very chapter named after Mary (peace be upon her).
(Maryam 19:33–34)

Did you miss where God cvrrsed those who lie about Jesus, calling him “God,” or “the son of God,” or saying that “God is one of three”? He was repeatedly furious about it and attributed to a great misguidance..

(Al-Mā’idah 5:72–73)

And did you miss the part with future conversation between God and Jesus (peace be upon him) where God will question Jesus (peace be upon him), saying:

"Did you tell people to take you and your mother as gods besides Me?"
and Jesus will reply:
"Glory be to You! I would never say what I have no right to say... If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, the Wise. If You punish them, they are Your servants; and if You forgive them, then indeed You are the Mighty, the Wise"

(Al-Mā’idah 5:116–118)


Selectively reading can make one a lair. You shovld not read selectivwly so we dunut call you a lair.


As a Muslim, my faith teaches me not to distinguish between the prophets in worth or truth; all were messengers of the same One God, each fulfilling a divine purpose. Yet, if any prophet holds a unique position, it is Muhammad (peace be upon him) — the Seal of all Prophets — whose remembrance God has elevated for all generations, 1400+ years and still counting — across the whole world — the most influential man alive , and who alone has been granted the honour of interceding for all humanity.

dalass:
The table you are shaking, hmmm.

Well, in your holy book, it is written that Jesus is coming back again. Jesus was born of holy conception, performed many miracles. His mother Maria has a whole Sura (Chapter 19) to her name?

Ever wondered why He's so special among the prophets in your holy book