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I don't understand you are so passionate about disbelieving and you are yet to find your way to a serious Osun or Babalawo.

Why?

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

Yes we back, with limits of your understanding.

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

I am happy it sounds gibberish to you . You know you are just showing the limit of your understanding and experiences. And that is fine dear.

Why would they create a video?

If they created a video of a full blown possession, I wont take them seriously or disbelieve or see them as charlatans. Actually some of them once came up often on Instagram, muted them.

Kobojunkie:
1. I think I was clear when I said no one outside of the religious circles; Christianity is a religion, right?

2. You know all of this amounts to spewing storyland gibberish to me, right? 🙄🙄

Again, there are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet with millions of videos created every single day of experiences had, yet not a single video created by those outside of religious circles verifying the claims of possessions to date. Why?

Not me.

Psychotic episodes wasn't the only thing I mentioned. Again we are aware that they happen and how they happen. You read the part where medical solution was sought first?

So we know and very well aware. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Psychotic episodes are not permanent and are not predictable. There are really no medications to cure them— it can pretty much happen to any one of us, really—, and yes, they can last and end at any time, just like that.

2. So, you had a psychotic episode then that lasted for a long time, like many of us have experienced, or are you literally claiming you were possessed? Which one?

They did same to mine, so many of mine. Do you see me whining?

Again, I have come to the end of back and forth with you.

TenQ:
I guess the admins are your friends or working for Islam as they have been deleting all my responses to you

They do, there are Christians relatives that also witnessed and suggested Bible and the Church. We didn't worry about that because there was no need.

Over 8 billion that you have met?

There are people across cultures and places that are heavily into spiritualism and connecting to something higher than themselves today as it as always been for thousands of years. Have you managed to tap into any? Osun perhaps?

Aren't you a Christian, for some reason didn't Jesus cast out some demons?

Kobojunkie:
And conveniently, no one outside of your religious circles has ever witnessed these things firsthand. How come?

2. There are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet. Yet, I have never met or run into any of them. And no one has to date documented any actual possessions outside of religious closets. How come?

If you say so, once someone starts with Allah and Balckstone. I don't take them seriously.

Ohyoudidnt:
No he seems quite smart except for his obsession with faulty conclusions.

Once they realise that they can't come for Qur'an.

They go for hadiths despite the whole loads of complexity with hadiths. Hadiths is always the victim.

If you like read your explanation and the TRUE and RIGHT TRANSLATION of the hadith

https://www.aljumuah.com/women-men-and-intellectual-deficiency/

TenQ:
What a shallow argument!

You are claiming that because billions worship Allah, then Islam must be TRUE!?

Hear what your prophet said:

Sahih al-Bukhari 304
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

One more thing possession, isn't always about a maniac or psychotic episode.

There are people possessed and nothing is wrong with them at all. Nothing negative just everyday not all life.

Kobojunkie:
To this day, there remains no evidence for any of the claims you made, though. So, how does one, in fact, go about answering any of what you said?
I have never seen a true possession, but what I have seen are people having psychotic episodes. So?

Someone read the well detailed quote below and said I have refuted nothing, what an insol.....,,,ent lie but nothing unusual about that with you anyways.

If you understood a little bit about religion, nothing special about the parallels you don't own the sole claim to God and His prophets. Lmao.

Qur'an has stripped you the right to blaspheme against God and his prophets. God doesn't regret not does he rest as claimed by the Bible. Prophets of God like Aaron never worshipped a golden calf, David would never do that to Bathseba and her husband, Solomon would never have 700 wives and 300 concubines. Jesus would never call a gentile a dog. Jacob would never have been too drunk to sleep with the wrong woman or treat her with such injustice. Jacob would never wrestle with God. Lot was never rap.......,,,,e.d by his daughters. Blasphemy upon Blasphemy!

I seek refuge with God from you!

How about that for parallels... 😆. Arabs are descendants of Ishmeal yet you are claiming sole ownership to God and his prophets? Are you high?

About how the Prophet referred to Mary, it doesn't need to make sense to you, nothing will. The reality is people call others in Semitic culture as son of, daughter of , sister of.......

Nothing surprising about your disbelief.

Quran describes you perfectly!

Indeed, those who disbelieve; it is the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil; and for them is a great punishment.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:6–7)

Did the Prophet copy the Bible?

To say the Prophet copied is the laziest argument ever.

The Qur’an’s writing is VERY DIFFERENT FROM the Bible. Few people were even scholars in his time, yet the Qur’an contains things far beyond the scope of the Bible. Access to such knowledge would have placed the Prophet at the very top of the educated elite of the world and they were very few people in that sphere and if he had copied, people would have called him out during his life and after. Do you really think the past was like today, where information is at your fingertips? . For such beautiful scholarship as the Qur'an, there should have been other works before or during his supposed scholarship with the other educated men of his time in Rome, Syria? Where are they sir?

And let’s be clear: for a liar or copyist, even the stupidest one wouldn’t “confuse” Mary with Aaron as her literal brother. The Bible’s genealogy is obvious, which only proves one thing, it wasn’t a copy. Otherwise, it would be the dumbest copy in history.

The Prophet himself explained that people were often called by the names of prophets and righteous figures before them. So Mary being called “sister of Aaron” was a cultural expression, not a mistake. It was a way of linking her to noble ancestry just as Jesus was called son of David and God calls us children of Abraham.

Mary came from the priestly line of Aaron through the family of Imran. That’s why her people invoked Aaron’s name to remind her of the honour and responsibility tied to her lineage. And the Qur’an strongly suggests Mary grew up in the temple whose first Chief Priest was Aaron himself. The Prophet is right; you know nothing.


Haman in the Qur’an vs the Bible
You assume the Bible is historically accurate. That was your first mistake. This is the same Bible where God “regrets” twice and “rests” on the seventh day, and where Moses somehow writes about his own death in Deuteronomy.

Jews themselves don’t always claim the Bible’s books are historical. The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia says about how the boo of Esther is nto historicaly accurate:

“The very tone of the book itself, its literary craftsmanship and the aptness of its situations, point rather to a romantic story than a historical chronicle.”

Some scholars even argue it’s a reworking of Babylonian myths of Marduk and Ishtar, not Jewish history at all.
Now compare that to the Qur’an: two ancient Egyptian inscriptions the Rosetta Stone and a Stela actually mention an overseer of stonemasons with the name he-man-ḥw, which matches what the Qur’an says about Haman/someone serving Pharaoh as . I care not for the academic side of it.

Pharaoh said: "O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace (Arabic: Sarhan, lofty tower or palace), that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" [Qur'an 28:38]

Pharaoh in the Qur’an vs the Bible
The Bible casually calls every ruler of Egypt “Pharaoh.”
The Qur’an, however, distinguishes: Joseph’s ruler is called king, not Pharaoh, while Moses’ adversary is called Pharaoh. Historically, Qur’an is correct NOT every ruler used to be called Pharaoh. The original meaning of “Pharaoh” was the royal palace or residence, and it only became a title for the king much later.

How exactly would Prophet Muhammad have known this if he was copying the Bible?[/i]

Samiri and the golden calf
In the Bible, Aaron, the very man God appointed as Moses’ prophet and the first High Priest is said to have built the golden calf. Think about it:, the same man chosen for honour supposedly commits the worst sin of leading Israel into idolatry? That doesn’t even make sense.

[i]The Qur’an fixes this. It names Samiri, not Aaron, as the one who made the calf. That preserves Aaron’s role as honoured prophet without attributing to him the most egregious act of betrayal against God.


I will stop here. These examples are enough. Anyone with sense can see the Qur’an didn’t copy, and if you’re serious, you can do the rest of the research yourself but wait it is the heart that is blind. Take care of yourself

Gabrielshow24:
The above, in w.r.t(with respect to) my reply, still didn't say anything useful. Periphrasis without achieving anything🥱.

Your brothers did better than you in terms of coherence😵‍💫. We are not concerned with your sentiments but with fact. A simple contradiction you seemingly brought upon yourself by claiming the non-existent about David is “how then did Solomon come into existence?“🤨 Suddenly, your theology falls apart. The book that claims to explain all things in detail doesn't know all things in detail 🥱.

We appreciate the sentiment for making prophets flawless yet your Quran seemingly threw them all under the bus by asserting that only Jesus is sinless😵‍💫—there goes your allusions.

Claiming ownership of “God and his prophets“ was what led you to plagiarize their book🥱.
You took what you didn't have understanding of, you borrowed from everywhere: Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Judaism, Athenian school of thought and polytheistic cultures.

Don't get me started with you on all this.
Better make your message coherent and then pass it across ...

cc: sterope

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You must be whining TenQ that he is smarter than this.

Someone debating Blackstone and the meaning of Allah… in 2025.

They can’t see the magic of Hajj; millions of languages, cultures, and colours coming together as one. One religion, uniting the world. They can’t even imagine the foresight. It can only be God!

And Ramadan as well? The same story billions fasting across the globe.

The idea that Islam is dangerous came as a result of this level of discipline, fundamentals that can unite billions across the world...it is scary from a conspiracy perspective

Do you actually grasp the scale of this?

God be praised. Prophet Muhammad is the most influential man alive

Dorn with you TenQ, I would hate to go back and forth on the same thing. May God guide you alright!

Ohyoudidnt:
So all the acts of kissing 'saints', clergy, family members amongst the Israelites are no longer gestures of affection? Or players that kiss medals or trophies are worshipping them?

No the Blackstone doesn't absorb sins or intercede.

Come on Tenq you are supposed to be smatter than this.

We know

Allah as in Al-The; Lah - God

It is in English, God and god are the same except for the capitalisation. What is so confusing for you?

It is Like Alaha in Aramaic as well that Jesus called God in his language grin. The best part is that Arabic and Aramaic are both semite language with the same root word for the Almighty God which is L and H. cool

Allah is known to depict The Almighty God with the definitive The. As opposed to just god.

Do you have comprehension issues? Are you sure you are alright?


The nonsense about the Blackstone. It is not part of hajj ritual, Propeht kissed it once in one reported hadith and we won't hear the end of it from people who believed God let humans being mu.....,,,,rder him as a form of human......,,, sacrifice to himself. You have some ridiculous audacity. I keep telling you that. We don't worship it. If we did we won't be Muslims but pagans. It was there from time immerorial and it was left there.

I am not going back and forth with you on this. The low level argument on this thread are definite indicators that the other person isn't clever AT ALL. Nothing to argue here. My job is done!

TenQ:
Symbolic!?
Did you hear yourself!?
Symbolic for something that absorb sins?
Symbolic for something that intercede for Muslims?

Is the Blackstone is the right hand of Allah?


Tell me if this is NOT idolatry?
An Idol is a physical representation of a Deity who perform some of the functions of the Deity!

Muslims think that bad argument is an antidote for the heavy flaw in their theology

I forgot to disprove your Surah Fil

That were people older than the Propjet when that chapter was revealed and when the prophet died as well

None of them called HIM i.e the prophet a liar about the chapter of the Elephants

Not all Arabia is desert.

There is something called War Elephants and it is not unusual. Even, the Persian army had one.

In Namibia they have elephants that live in the desert.

Quran says this is what happened and neither people who don't believe in God nor people whose God regretted and rested and wrestled dare say it didn't. No one is listening to you!

And Not a single answer to a single question.

Not all scientist even disbelieve in the existence of the events science cannot explain.

You are mistaken if you think I care about being deceived. I don't do religious leaders at all. What my religion gets out of me is charity to others, contribution to the mosque and its welfare. I am not interested in seeking out religious men for some bond.

obinna58:
It’s the matrix, what they use to control order and squeeze out money from you
Science will help you see reality but you guys chose the hypocrites who comforts you with lies and claim it’s the only way they help you

Someone read the well detailed quote below and said I have refuted nothing, what an insol.....,,,ent lie but nothing unusual about that with you anyways.

If you understood a little bit about religion, nothing special about the parallels you don't own the sole claim to God and His prophets. Lmao.

Qur'an has stripped you the right to blaspheme against God and his prophets. God doesn't regret not does he rest as claimed by the Bible. Prophets of God like Aaron never worshipped a golden calf, David would never do that to Bathseba and her husband, Solomon would never have 700 wives and 300 concubines. Jesus would never call a gentile a dog. Jacob would never have been too drunk to sleep with the wrong woman or treat her with such injustice. Jacob would never wrestle with God. Lot was never rap.......,,,,e.d by his daughters. Blasphemy upon Blasphemy!

I seek refuge with God from you!

How about that for parallels... 😆. Arabs are descendants of Ishmeal yet you are claiming sole ownership to God and his prophets? Are you high?

About how the Prophet referred to Mary, it doesn't need to make sense to you, nothing will. The reality is people call others in Semitic culture as son of, daughter of , sister of.......

Nothing surprising about your disbelief.

Quran describes you perfectly!

Indeed, those who disbelieve; it is the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil; and for them is a great punishment.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:6–7)

Did the Prophet copy the Bible?

To say the Prophet copied is the laziest argument ever.

The Qur’an’s writing is VERY DIFFERENT FROM the Bible. Few people were even scholars in his time, yet the Qur’an contains things far beyond the scope of the Bible. Access to such knowledge would have placed the Prophet at the very top of the educated elite of the world and they were very few people in that sphere and if he had copied, people would have called him out during his life and after. Do you really think the past was like today, where information is at your fingertips? . For such beautiful scholarship as the Qur'an, there should have been other works before or during his supposed scholarship with the other educated men of his time in Rome, Syria? Where are they sir?

And let’s be clear: for a liar or copyist, even the stupidest one wouldn’t “confuse” Mary with Aaron as her literal brother. The Bible’s genealogy is obvious, which only proves one thing, it wasn’t a copy. Otherwise, it would be the dumbest copy in history.

The Prophet himself explained that people were often called by the names of prophets and righteous figures before them. So Mary being called “sister of Aaron” was a cultural expression, not a mistake. It was a way of linking her to noble ancestry just as Jesus was called son of David and God calls us children of Abraham.

Mary came from the priestly line of Aaron through the family of Imran. That’s why her people invoked Aaron’s name to remind her of the honour and responsibility tied to her lineage. And the Qur’an strongly suggests Mary grew up in the temple whose first Chief Priest was Aaron himself. The Prophet is right; you know nothing.


Haman in the Qur’an vs the Bible
You assume the Bible is historically accurate. That was your first mistake. This is the same Bible where God “regrets” twice and “rests” on the seventh day, and where Moses somehow writes about his own death in Deuteronomy.

Jews themselves don’t always claim the Bible’s books are historical. The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia says about how the boo of Esther is nto historicaly accurate:

“The very tone of the book itself, its literary craftsmanship and the aptness of its situations, point rather to a romantic story than a historical chronicle.”

Some scholars even argue it’s a reworking of Babylonian myths of Marduk and Ishtar, not Jewish history at all.
Now compare that to the Qur’an: two ancient Egyptian inscriptions the Rosetta Stone and a Stela actually mention an overseer of stonemasons with the name he-man-ḥw, which matches what the Qur’an says about Haman/someone serving Pharaoh as . I care not for the academic side of it.

Pharaoh said: "O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace (Arabic: Sarhan, lofty tower or palace), that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" [Qur'an 28:38]

Pharaoh in the Qur’an vs the Bible
The Bible casually calls every ruler of Egypt “Pharaoh.”
The Qur’an, however, distinguishes: Joseph’s ruler is called king, not Pharaoh, while Moses’ adversary is called Pharaoh. Historically, Qur’an is correct NOT every ruler used to be called Pharaoh. The original meaning of “Pharaoh” was the royal palace or residence, and it only became a title for the king much later.

How exactly would Prophet Muhammad have known this if he was copying the Bible?[/i]

Samiri and the golden calf
In the Bible, Aaron, the very man God appointed as Moses’ prophet and the first High Priest is said to have built the golden calf. Think about it:, the same man chosen for honour supposedly commits the worst sin of leading Israel into idolatry? That doesn’t even make sense.

[i]The Qur’an fixes this. It names Samiri, not Aaron, as the one who made the calf. That preserves Aaron’s role as honoured prophet without attributing to him the most egregious act of betrayal against God.


I will stop here. These examples are enough. Anyone with sense can see the Qur’an didn’t copy, and if you’re serious, you can do the rest of the research yourself but wait it is the heart that is blind. Take care of yourself

Did the Prophet copy the Bible?

To say the Prophet copied is the laziest argument ever.

The Qur’an’s writing is VERY DIFFERENT FROM the Bible. Few people were even scholars in his time, yet the Qur’an contains things far beyond the scope of the Bible. Access to such knowledge would have placed the Prophet at the very top of the educated elite of the world and they were very few people in that sphere and if he had copied, people would have called him out during his life and after. Do you really think the past was like today, where information is at your fingertips? . For such beautiful scholarship as the Qur'an, there should have been other works before or during his supposed scholarship with the other educated men of his time in Rome, Syria? Where are they sir?

And let’s be clear: for a liar or copyist, even the stupidest one wouldn’t “confuse” Mary with Aaron as her literal brother. The Bible’s genealogy is obvious, which only proves one thing, it wasn’t a copy. Otherwise, it would be the dumbest copy in history.

The Prophet himself explained that people were often called by the names of prophets and righteous figures before them. So Mary being called “sister of Aaron” was a cultural expression, not a mistake. It was a way of linking her to noble ancestry just as Jesus was called son of David and God calls us children of Abraham.

Mary came from the priestly line of Aaron through the family of Imran. That’s why her people invoked Aaron’s name to remind her of the honour and responsibility tied to her lineage. And the Qur’an strongly suggests Mary grew up in the temple whose first Chief Priest was Aaron himself. The Prophet is right; you know nothing.


Haman in the Qur’an vs the Bible
You assume the Bible is historically accurate. That was your first mistake. This is the same Bible where God “regrets” twice and “rests” on the seventh day, and where Moses somehow writes about his own death in Deuteronomy.

Jews themselves don’t always claim the Bible’s books are historical. The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia says about how the boo of Esther is nto historicaly accurate:

“The very tone of the book itself, its literary craftsmanship and the aptness of its situations, point rather to a romantic story than a historical chronicle.”

Some scholars even argue it’s a reworking of Babylonian myths of Marduk and Ishtar, not Jewish history at all.
Now compare that to the Qur’an: two ancient Egyptian inscriptions the Rosetta Stone and a Stela actually mention an overseer of stonemasons with the name he-man-ḥw, which matches what the Qur’an says about Haman/someone serving Pharaoh as . I care not for the academic side of it.

Pharaoh said: "O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace (Arabic: Sarhan, lofty tower or palace), that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" [Qur'an 28:38]

Pharaoh in the Qur’an vs the Bible
The Bible casually calls every ruler of Egypt “Pharaoh.”
The Qur’an, however, distinguishes: Joseph’s ruler is called king, not Pharaoh, while Moses’ adversary is called Pharaoh. Historically, Qur’an is correct NOT every ruler used to be called Pharaoh. The original meaning of “Pharaoh” was the royal palace or residence, and it only became a title for the king much later.

How exactly would Prophet Muhammad have known this if he was copying the Bible?[/i]

Samiri and the golden calf
In the Bible, Aaron, the very man God appointed as Moses’ prophet and the first High Priest is said to have built the golden calf. Think about it:, the same man chosen for honour supposedly commits the worst sin of leading Israel into idolatry? That doesn’t even make sense.

[i]The Qur’an fixes this. It names Samiri, not Aaron, as the one who made the calf. That preserves Aaron’s role as honoured prophet without attributing to him the most egregious act of betrayal against God.


I will stop here. These examples are enough. Anyone with sense can see the Qur’an didn’t copy, and if you’re serious, you can do the rest of the research yourself but wait it is the heart that is blind. Take care of yourself

Gabrielshow24:
That dude just copied tales left, right and center with reckless abandon.

His ’book’ has an high formulaic density to show it can't be the ’uncreated speech of Allah ’...Even his few appeals to history were awful: Confusing Saul with Gideon, Confusing Jacob for Moses(Moses meeting a man with two daughters), Placing Haman in Egypt, Samaritans in the time of Aaron 👀, Affirming Mary has Aaron's sister, Mistaking David for Solomon to say the least🤦🏾‍♂️.

You are one of those ones that doesn't know meaning of Allah. Which is a good pointer that you know nothing

Even AI and a simple Google search knows. It was a mistake to copy you.

How do you explain people who dream of future events warnings, predictions that later unfold?

How do you explain those who feel sudden unease, an urge to check on a family member, and then discover something serious has happened death, accident, illness?

Have you ever seen true possession? Not the staged or exaggerated kind? No, possession is not always running mad or falling ill. Possession might even be good or neutral fyi.


Even in something as shallow as reality TV, there are cases where people visit fortune tellers who predict events. Some are false which is no surprise to me as a Muslim but others are accurate. How would you explain those?

What research have you actually done to test whether such things exist?

And if your judgement rests only on myths, many of which are exaggerated or outright false, that doesn’t mean the reality itself doesn’t exist.


Across the world, every culture regardless of language, colour, religion, or place shares a belief in the unseen. How do you explain that? Is it really reasonable to assume all our ancestors, across every civilisation, were completely wrong?

obinna58:
Nothing like ghosts, soul or spirits, it’s all in one’s mind

Human beings countless times trying to make themselves special from other animals but it can not change reality

TenQ

Jesus Is Not God

God is not His creation, and never will be. The Creator does not become the created. My God does not punish one soul for another’s sin. Why should I bear Adam’s guilt? In the Qur'an when God forgave Adam and his wife upon their repentance and not a sacrifice was required.

My God does not demand human.....,,, sacrifice for sins others committed. He forgives out of His mercy; He does not require an innocent to die for the guilty. No should shall bear the burden of another. My God is the Most Merciful to the truly repentant.



The Gospels and Their Authors

Much of what is claimed about Jesus comes from texts written decades later, not by eyewitnesses. Nearly half his life is unrecorded; the rest pieced together from anonymous accounts.

John was a fisherman, unlikely to have written sophisticated Greek. His gospel never names him. Matthew is also anonymous; no proof he wrote it.

Luke and Mark were not disciples at all. And for Paul, only God can forgive him.

It took your early father's 300 years to develop the concept of trinity.

I refuse to build my belief in God on uncertain attributions and second-hand claims.



Jesus

He referred to a gentile woman as a “dog” (something Muslims don’t accept).

He feared death, and cried out for rescue.

He admitted not knowing the Hour, didn't even know the fig's season

He was tempted by the devil and repeatedly, he said: “God sent me/I am below God.”

That is not God but a man under God’s authority?


What the Prophets Would Say

The core doctrines of Christianity original sin and the Trinity are absent from the Old Testament. Would Abraham or Moses have accepted the idea that the Creator became His own creation and died? They would have been astonished at such claims.

Even your scriptures describe God in ways Muslims would never accept:

a God who “regretted” creating man and flooding the earth, a God who “rested,” after the sixth day, a God who “wrestled” Jacob or a God deceived.

I seek refuge in My God from such blasphemies, it must be whispers of the devil that drove men to write such blasphemy.


I Worship as Jesus Worshipped

I worship as Jesus worshipped: bowing, praying, and submitting to the One who sent him. Not inventing doctrines he never preached.

Above all, he said:
“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Not to you. Not to me.

May peace and blessings of God be upon Jesus, the son of Mary.



Why Compare Prophets Jesus with Muhammad?

For the umpteenth time: why compare Jesus to Muhammad (peace be upon them both)? Muslims know Muhammad was fully human. It would be a sin to equate him with God, just as it would be a sin to elevate Jesus to divinity. True Muslims do not rank prophets against one another; they were all noble men, chosen by God, and not the distorted portrayals found in the Bible

TenQ is what happens when the Bible isn’t taught properly, and only the parts that fit western liberal and atheist ideals are highlighted . They don’t want to be like Islam unyielding in its definition of morality.

If they studied honestly, they’d see that their accusations against Islam are either false, oversimplified, or nuanced; and their own history is far darker.

We don’t, and won’t, take lectures from you or from the false gods of western liberalism that you’ve placed above your own God.

The audacity!!!

How can you call Islam sinful when the Bible allows genocide, sex slavery, father selling his daughter as a slave, and polygamy to 700 wives?

On Snatching Wives
No, I don’t know anyone in my Muslim community who “snatched” someone’s wife. And if it ever happens, I am clever enough to NOT judge what consenting adults decide between themselves if they can’t find what they are looking for in their initial marriage, especially when it doesn’t involve adultery. Marriage isn't by force!!!

We thank our God that divorce is allowed in Islam without being limited to adultery, unlike in your Bible where it’s forbidden except in that adultery. What a miserable existence that might be!


The Jewish Tribe
The tribe you quoted: you conveniently and unsurprisingly missed a lot of background to the event including the Islamic political history the events before the punishment and how tribes make decisions back then. Including how it was a former Jew that judged and applied the law of Deuteronomy against his own former people. They had agreed to abide by it beforehand. The supposed “offense” was treason, and the punishment was according to the Bible.

What now you hate Deuteronomy? Your God’s law? You are exhausting.



Biblical Genocide
So because God gave the land to the Israelites, so it was “okay” to k..ill…..,,,,, newborns and children of four groups: Amalekites, Canaanites, Moabites, Midianites. Yes, there were four genocides explicitly allowed in the Bible for anyone wondering.

In the Qur’an, God allowed them the land but never commanded genocide of babies, Captives must be treated with dignity, and they had rights, wmen can also marry their slaves, not just men; slave prostitution is forbidden (Qur’an 4:36, 24:33).

So, tell me, how can you lecture Islam on morality when your own God commanded that against innocents? Are you serious claiming moral superiority here?


Sex Slavery Allowed
Numbers 31:7–18: “But all the girls who have not known a man by lying with him, keep for yourselves.”
Deuteronomy 21:10–14: Captive women could be taken, and if the man desired them as a wife, he can marry them. It doesn't mean they can't be taken as concubines.
Exodus 21:7–11: Fathers could sell their daughters as servants or concubines. ;

Polygamy and the Christian Hypocrisy Claim
Really? Moral authority based on a timeline? The men of God Christians revere Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, Moses had multiple wives. Jesus never condemned or abolished polygamy. So why lecture Islam now? Does your “morality” only start after Christ, or do you just cherry-pick what suits your narrative?

Not surprised though, Christians often blaspheme against and deny their own prophets when their actions clash with Western liberalism and atheist ideals you seek to judge Islam with. Men closer to God than you’ll ever be are dismissed, while you cling to stories about him you barely know, half his life missing, the rest anonymous hearsays. The cracks will show .

If Solomon in your Bible could have 700 wives and 300 concubines, I bet you can have 5,000 wives and 8,000 concubines?


I have called out your audacity. Don't do that next time! Bye!


TenQ

I shall keep my opinion on the sentence.

Because A 15 years old knows enough to not take a life!

You have confused the Bible for the Qur'an. Christians
tend to do that a lot. I don't know why, it is very bizarre. You are not the one to talk about morality AT ALL.

The following are from your God (Known as Jesus) and his "chosen " people:

1. Slavery or sex slavery is in the Bible. In Islam, the matter is very nuanced. “Now ki.. all the boys. And ki.. every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

2.Genocide: bible advocates for genocides including children and new borns and animals. (Numbers 31:7–18; 1 Samuel 15:2–3; Deuteronomy 20:16–18). There are wmore verses. You will never find same in the Quran. Quran goes if you fight us, we shall fight you but genocide? NEVER

3. Polygamy: Christians can marry as much as 700 wives as King Solomon of the Bible. many men of God in the Bible had multiple wives and no restriction was ever made.

4. Raepeise: Deuteronomy 22:28–29 – If a man rapeies an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay 50 shekels and marry her, without the right to divorce. That sums the sense in it.

5. Blasphemes against Men of God: King David (Peace be upon him) would never murder a man and steal and his wife. Jesus calling a gentile woman "a dog" unprovoked. Jacob tricking Issac. Jacob getting drunk.

6. Blasphemes against God: God regretted twice (Flooding and creating men) and God rested (creation story) and God is a man that cried, was scared and was tempted by the devil and was born of a woman. And there was another part where it reads the "Lord deceived".

7. Traps women in marriage: impermissible for a man or woman to divorce except for adultery basically marriage is a trap.

I don't even want to start with New testament that relies on anonymous hearsays. You should not be talking about Islam. It is absurd and extremely rude.

I will leave you with these links.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html&ved=2ahUKEwj5o4mJlq6PAxVqR0EAHc3BPTIQFnoECDoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0MaH0b8DyM6ALACCdFm_-u

https://blog.cinqmarsmedia.com/is-islam-a-religion-of-peace-aea607622476


FYI, marriage in Islam isn't like your liberal and 21st century definition of marriage. It would never be! If a muslim finds or do not find tranquility in marriage, they can leave however so many common sense nuances. If you and some men decides to abuse marriage, to you is your account with God. Furthermore, the way we marry and divorce reflects how many conservative societies conduct marriages even outside Islam. You need to concentrate your effort on other cultures and religions and leave your obsession with Islam alone.

TenQ:
I understand you. Men are frail but the religion shouldn't ALSO be questionable isn't it?

My grouse is not with Muslims but Islam itself because most Muslims today are better than Mohammed with respect to mortality.
It is actually a miracle that most Muslims today are more upright than their prophet.

Tell me if I am wrong
How many Muslims today that you know that snatched the wife of a fellow Muslim friend or relative?

How many Muslims today do you know who will marry and have sex with a woman within THREE days of separation from her husband?

How many Muslims today can announce in the mosque that all married women his eyes fall upon, the husband must divorce her?



Still on Islam,
Do you know any God that Allows Prostitution for men in his religion?

Do you know any God that Allows for men to have girls doing Prostitution in his religion?

Nowhere...says who?

Culturally, women have always had head coverings...then Qur'an came said women should extend their head coverings over their bosoms as well. And there are numerous scholarships that dates back to how slave and no -muslim women dressed then compared to Muslim women.

The meaning of hijab isn't head coverings alone. I am glad you know that little fact.

Harnny:
exactly the point. No where in Quran is not covering your hair a sin but the instructions to keep your beauty and cleavage private. The same way some Christians and Jews interpreted it to perpetual head coverings is the same way it is in Islam. However, the only group yall have problems with is the Muslims.

And if you know anything about Islam or the slightest thing about the Qur’an, you would know this is exactly why elites are highlighted because they set trends that mislead the masses straight into hell.

The Qur’an warns repeatedly that leaders and their followers will argue on Judgement Day, each blaming the other for misguidance (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:67–68).

Surah Al-Ahzab 33:67–68: People will say, “Our Lord, indeed we obeyed our leaders and our great ones, and they misled us from the way. Our Lord, give them double the punishment…”

Everyone chases the lifestyles of the powerful; Lmao. And some Muslims and Western puppets, in the name of “moving forward”, genuinely think adopting Western liberal standards of dressing is the benchmark of progress as if cloth length determines civilisation. If you’re so eager to imitate your masters, go ahead. To each his own; in the end every soul will account before God.

God bless the Niqabites and Hijabites, who continue setting strides and breaking ceilings with their veils.

Botragelad:
Of course, you won't see her in a hijab or burqa. And you don't see any man forcing her to cover up.

This is the difference. While some are still brainwashed into committing terrorist acts in the name of their religion and ideology, others are choosing to live in the modern world and move forward. It's funny how converts are often the first to make excuses for their extremism.

You are even relying on Revelations written by John which is sillier because the disciple John never wrote about Jesus.

A fisherman could not have written a detailed account in sophisticated Greek. It was impossible so no.

Jew ko Jew no.

2mch:
Wooly hair is African hair. Go and look at Cotton wool again and come back. You are obviously not black cause you can’t tell the difference.