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It was a matter of time after what is happening around us in Niger, Mali and other parts of world.

Munafiqoons

Domestic abuse can happen to anyone whether you are married rich, poor, educated or religious.

I can't remember Jesus anulling slavery in the Biboe.

But I do remember your God commanding genocide, total wiipey out of whole communities including children and new borns

I can't remember Jesus in the Bible apologising or regretting or saying old testament laws don't apply anymore. That is your man made interpretation... shaping God to fit white liberalism.

TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in . Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya ). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave .


TV

Of course, it was maaliciovs. Your blivndness saw my reply but not your brother's original comment; not surprised there. Hyocrisi must be your twin brother.

Because Christianity ended up changing the narrative which is still present today...cue the KKK and modern white nationalist movements; does not erase how the Bible and Christian institutions were used to justify the mistreeatmeent of Black people. The so-called "Cvrse of Noah" (the Ham/Noah story: Genesis 9:20–27) was repeatedly invoked to legitimise racciial slavery and the brvtal hierarchies that followed.

Even the Church wasn't left out of the slave trade; in fact it allowed, encouraged, profited from, and directly partook in it from institutions that trace back to the Roman Empire through later Catholic and Protestant bodies (including the Jesuits, the Church of England, and others). That’s historical fact; the apologia that comes later doesn’t change the original complicity.



I mean, aren’t we talking about the same Bible that contains laws allowing a father to sell his daughter as a servant? (Exodus 21:7–11 ) Please come off it.

When I spoke about slave upward mobility, I wasn’t referring to Bilal; I was talking about court administors, Governors, military commanders etc. Not a gotcha you were hoping for.

Whether you like it or not, it is a fact that Islam developed principles regulating slavery and encouraging manumission and slaves were to be enemy combatants that you fought against; Whereas Christianity and Judaism societies historically developed legal and scriptural frameworks that were often used to justify slavery rather than to abolish it.

Finally on scale and specific hoorrrors that distinguish the Atlantic slave system from of Arab slavery, your Christian folks codified race based chhaattel slavery, laws for slaves; experimented on them, organised vigilanttee violence and lynchhinngs against them even when it was later abolished, forced breeddiing, packed them like sardines...have you watched roots at all?


I have this rule, it is a rule for eedeeiots. People who insist Allah doesn't mean God, insist that Islam came from Syria, or that The Romans founded Islam and Catholicsm or even preach Takiya....are just plain ztvpid and irredeemable. Frankly, they are a joke! The list is inexhaustible. You fall into one of the categories.

TV01:
Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Deperation sets in . Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya ). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave .


TV

Both systems were horrific — but in very different ways.

Europeans, mostly good Christian, infliicteed extremei dehvmanissation: Enslaved people were packed like sardines on ships, displayed in “zoo galleries,” violeentlly attacked, and in some cases used for human experimevtss.

Brutal labor left permanent scars; mortality rates were extremely high. Justificationscame biblical interpretations claiming Africans were descendants of Noah’s cursed son. The system aimed for permanent subjugation, erasing identity, language, and culture, while skin color determined status.


Take a guess who is repeating similar patterns today in Palestine and Congo… your Judeo-Christian "brothers." Even Netanyahu referenced it by its biblical name: Amalek.



On the other end, for Arab slavery, the historical practices diverged from Islamic principles already laid down both in the Qur'an (Qur'an literally has verses on charity to slaves including manumission), and scholars repeatedly condemned it. Empires like the Ottoman tolerated slavery for profit and they knew it was wrong. Even then, manumission was encouraged and existed widely.

Slaves could achieve upward mobility, some held political or administrative roles. Discrimination based on ethnicity was frowned upon; Black Muslims, Persians, Indians, and others could rise in society. Identity, religion, and social integration were often preserved, even amid brutality

TV01:
The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


TV


^{ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.}

That puts things into perspective then @ nlfpmod

ALLNIGERIANSMAD:
NO, not same God, god dey call his name when beheading people isn't same God, this governor is a born Christian but Muslim by political affliction

Not because he stepped into a church but because he worshipped as a Christian.

AndroBlaze:
Interesting.

Why is he no longer a muslim (in your opinion)?

Is it because he stepped into a church?

He is no one's brother in Islam because he is actually not a Muslim. This isn't one of those religious issues that is a matter of opinion.

He is outrightly no longer a Muslim for all intents and purposes.

rummmy:
I hope it will go on well with his fanatical brothers that will accuse him ot blasphemy

Actually he isn't a Muslim.

If he dies now, he wouldn't and shouldn't be buried as one. God is very CLEAR and DIRECT on what makes a Muslim. And there is no such thing as a liberal Muslim. You are either a Muslim or not. You can be struggling with certain aspects of the faith but there are key things that makes a Muslim outlined in the Qur'an.

Rexnegro:
He might just be a liberal Muslim that's all

No. He is actually not a Muslim at all.

It is not my opinion. It is Quran's

Islam is very strict on matters of shirk. Once you take that step, you are completely and wholly and irredeemably out of Islam. If he dies without repentance that anyone is aware of, he won't be buried as a Muslim. Anyone that goes ahead to bury as a Muslim, would be committing a big sin as well.


So no, he isn't a different breed or Muslim. He is just not a Muslim no matter how much he says otherwise.

osuofia2:
Bago is a different bread of muslim. The man is a great guy, I wish others are like him, he is a definition of live and let's live. I love him

Let's break it, shall we?

Did you miss the part where my God said that the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him) is no different from that of Adam (peace be upon him)?

Adam had neither father nor mother; he was created with the word when God said, “Be, and it is” — just as Jesus was.
(Āl ʿImrān 3:59)

Did you also skip the part where Jesus (peace be upon him) said that he will die and be raised again alive meaning on the Day of Judgement?. Before twisting that statement, note that John (peace be upon him) used the same expression in the very chapter named after Mary (peace be upon her).
(Maryam 19:33–34)

Did you miss where God cvrrsed those who lie about Jesus, calling him “God,” or “the son of God,” or saying that “God is one of three”? He was repeatedly furious about it and attributed to a great misguidance..

(Al-Mā’idah 5:72–73)

And did you miss the part with future conversation between God and Jesus (peace be upon him) where God will question Jesus (peace be upon him), saying:

"Did you tell people to take you and your mother as gods besides Me?"
and Jesus will reply:
"Glory be to You! I would never say what I have no right to say... If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, the Wise. If You punish them, they are Your servants; and if You forgive them, then indeed You are the Mighty, the Wise"

(Al-Mā’idah 5:116–118)


Selectively reading can make one a lair. You shovld not read selectivwly so we dunut call you a lair.


As a Muslim, my faith teaches me not to distinguish between the prophets in worth or truth; all were messengers of the same One God, each fulfilling a divine purpose. Yet, if any prophet holds a unique position, it is Muhammad (peace be upon him) — the Seal of all Prophets — whose remembrance God has elevated for all generations, 1400+ years and still counting — across the whole world — the most influential man alive , and who alone has been granted the honour of interceding for all humanity.

dalass:
The table you are shaking, hmmm.

Well, in your holy book, it is written that Jesus is coming back again. Jesus was born of holy conception, performed many miracles. His mother Maria has a whole Sura (Chapter 19) to her name?

Ever wondered why He's so special among the prophets in your holy book

Whatever makes you sleep at night Low budget consperacy theorist!

harmargedon:
you type faster than you think, quote me when you've got facts disproving what I wrote.

Israel has theee higheest orrrrgan bank in the wurld


These organs come from palestianeeans hostages, immigrants and foreign workers.

The Anti Christ's chosen people

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNTUtpTNMr8/?igsh=N2VrbHpoMjZzZ2Vn

You are not the one to lecture us about the Human mind.

You can barely figvre yoovrs out. Roman Catholics & Islam from the same source. You are very funny!

harmargedon:
You see, the human mind is designed to fall towards sympathy and sentiments. Only a few have grown past such feelings and they are called realists. I doubt you fall under such, if you were, you'd have chosen facts to literature.

Hellllooooo?

Am I the Pope? Did anyone put a gvnn to their heads to allow Non Christians in the Vatican? It isn't like they are removing people or pagans or Muslims that are still indigenous to those lands? Biko, carry your wahala go meet pope.

Do you find it difficult to separate issues? That doesn't speak well of your critical thinking dear.

ElevationD:
What a very hypocritical comment. Non Muslims are not allowed in Mecca, which is the Muslim holy land, while “non Christians” can visit the Vatican, which is considered the Christian version. Why did you not say “Muslims can visit the Vatican”, rather than generalize it.

And you think that it is appropriate? Thankfully we have a certain Mr. Donald Trump in power. And hopefully the Conservative party can win in the UK. I hope you know that that hypocrisy is not permitted I. Australia?

Lmao.

Yaeh right, the same Christians that came to Africa but perpetuated the worst slave trade ever. Interpreted the Bible to claim the black race is cvrsed. Those ones?

I still see some white Christians too having so much to say about black Christians. What loving Christians!

Even KKK members were loving Christians as they kevlled black Christians too.

Darling, religion doesn't make people good or bad. You aren't much in the brian department if you thought Christianity is more loving than other religions.


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Any edeiot can write a book. Dan Brown wrote books too based on some other popular books and myths.

Again, even a prostetant theologian would not think well fo u at all.

I don't either. I mean I read a lots of cosnpiracies too but the difference is I am smart enough to smell BS.

harmargedon:
That's great my noble theologian. How many books have you written to back up your facts or should I call it sentimental research?

Lmao. It is the Conservative s and the Liberals, the Christians that worked with Zionists destroy their precious lands.

From getting them on riba, they opened their greediness and now Jews who follow the Talmud rule them.

Lmao have you sent that video of your leaders removing their crosses to sit with the Jews. Or that one where they went to Israel and worshipped like the Jews

The interesting part is, at least a lot of Muslims know that the leaders of Muslim majority countries and some Muslims are hypocrites and not one for us but for you lots, the delosions are grammy worthy.

mastermaestro:
Liberals will eventually destroy Western Europe. Soon they will be slaves in their own countries.

Nah, it won’t happen in your lifetime and it will never happen because Christianity is already cr*unbling.

Here’s a little fun fact: even the Kaaba will one day face destruction. And who predicted that? Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). We will still face Kaaba when we pray because it was never about the building.

Unlike you, we Muslims already know how the end times will unfold. Now we watch with patience and faith.

dalass:
Seriously waiting to see that in my lifetime 🤩

Except that historically Christianity was the only religion that had more of conversion by sword.

They take over cities and in less than a 100 years, most are Christians already. If they are not doing that, they are displacing and k**llibg Jews. The reason there were enough Jews for Hitler was because of Muslims.

LLMG:
When it comes to people who can not be at peace with you, you can't be too careful, a people who have clearly shown that their mission is to either subjugate or wipe off your existence. If only they have something positive to add to humanity rather than pains and sorrow it would have been better. Remember the adage of the long spoon.

Not necessarily Arab Muslims

I am surprised you lots are shocked that the majority religions including Judaism/Rabbis have always had scholars that interacted with one another.

Ah ahn! This is premium olodoism.

Sirleo05:
Must you pray there? Does it mean if you don't pray there God will not answer you anywhere else you pray? Arab muslims are always looking for trouble

Yeah right

I did already

You are yet to tell us why non muslims should be in Mecca o.

Pootle:
search it out, its an old news

I am not the one going around regugitating conspiracy theories heard from people who aren't respected in the theology communities.

harmargedon:
Read bro, that's why yours dormant

You dey mind them

They love their lies and propaganda and they have chosen to die upon it.

Lukuluku69:
The Prophet (Peace be upon him) also vacated his Mosque for the Christians to offer their worship/Prayers when a delegation came visiting.

When the Muslims took Alia (Jerusalem) from the Greeks during Umar reign as Khalif, the Christians offered their Church to him for his Prayers, he turned it down and said no Muslims should take their Church away from him.

So, what the Vatican did here is in accordance to the Prophetic tradition.

God gave you a brain for a reason. . What a funny man!

harmargedon:
they don't know. The Romans created both religion. They'll switch to any they see fit.

Send a link of these bombings


Why and how is that a bad thing? Many westerners are culturally Christians but not Christians .

Pootle:
i did no say mecca, somewhere in saudi where westerners live and have churches yet they still when there to bomb them. those places where originally for oil well workers, since there life style aint compatible with there own they put them separated

God does not like liars

yorosstores:
The tolerance that Islam CAN NEVER give to other religions

It was never in Mecca.

I can't see any church bombings in Saudi either. What a propangandist!

Pootle:
they gave the some places called the compound that was later bomb by osama in early 2000s

Why would they? Non Muslims are not allowed in Mecca


However non Christians can visit the Vatican. You would know that it is common for the two groups to have events/discussions/thesis together. ..dates back before you were born!

BlackfireX:
Waiting for Saudi to grant christains a land to have church in mecca?