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How can he be a no nonsense man who won't keep quiet in the face of tyranny but yet worked with a military government?

Wa Alaikum Salam, I deleted some and for the rest, I don't know what happened.

honesttalk21:
Assalam alaikum. It seems you have deeper cyber savviness and questions are being asked about the disappearance of some of your posts. Would you mind shedding some light please?

Like you said Nigerians talk and move on, I don't think a lot of people genuinely cares if their partner has been previously been unfaithful. Cheating while married is so casual, so dismissive these days.

pocohantas:
The thing is Nigerians talk and move on.
There is a lady that got married and cheated on the husband in the first year of the marriage. He had to do DNA but the child turned out his. So they divorced and she left with the child. Would you believe the lady rebranded and is currently married to a backend guy in the entertainment space?

I genuinely believe is one of the worst things a woman can do to her unborn child. Such evidence of cheating is stacked against the woman.

pocohantas:
Indeed it is a very high level of betrayal.

I think I will pursue the woman and hold the kids because she cannot render me childless in my old age

Statements by Jesus affirming he is a messenger


He said it himself and he had a lot of human deficiencies

1. John 17:3 - This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

2. John 5:30 – By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.

3. John 8:28–29 - I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.


4. John 12:49 – For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.


5. Matthew 10:40 – Whoever welcomes you welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

6. Mark 13:32 – But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

7. Luke 2:52 – And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

8. John 5:30 – By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear

9. Luke 24:49 – I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay… until you have been clothed with power from on high.

Didn't I say the gospels are unreliable, no one should bother with anonymous texts sef

John 17:21–22: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in me and I am in You, that they also may be in us."

So according to this, are you also God? Maybe I am God too if we take that verse literally. Clearly, what Jesus meant was sameness in purpose, not sameness in being.

Besides, there are much clearer statements where he openly says he isn’t God. Why cling so tightly to an ambiguous interpretation that directly contradicts the clearer ones? That is the height of insanity.

Other prophets didn’t need to keep repeating "I am not God." Their words were allegedly written themselves. But Christianity is unique in that its books were written about the prophet, not by him but by men who never met him and who already held preconceived opinions about him.




Why the Gospel of John is unreliable

1. John was an illiterate

John was a fisherman (Acts 4:13 calls Peter and John “uneducated and untrained”).

He could not have authored a text in advanced Greek. Someone of that education and that time years later would have also had well known disciples to spread the message . There is none.


2. Late and longest authorship

The Gospel of John was the last to be written (c. 90–100 CE).

According to theologians and scholars, Its later date and textual analysis shows it reflects theological development rather than original teachings. Funny enough, it was the only gospel that strongly attributed divinity to Jesus which again is evidence of later philosophical and theological thoughts.

Also, it was the longest gospel which further proves our theory of later theological development.


3. Anonymous work

The author never identifies himself.

“John” was attributed much later by Church tradition, not by the text itself. Not a single story of how the gospel came to be? It was like lost but found.

DoctorStanley:
So why didn't ANY OTHER messenger say they are one with God, and once you've seen them you've seen God. Can you imagine Muhammad DARE say anything close to that? He CAN'T because he was a mere human being that God picked, a mere messenger!

It is common sense to interpret ambiguous statements in light of clear ones; not the other way around. What Paul and Trinitarian Christians do instead is the reverse; they bend the clear words of Jesus to fit a handful of ambiguous statements. That is nothing but the devil’s whisper.

Jesus was extremely clear, he is not God, but a messenger of God. Yet you set aside these plain statements and cling to verses that are vague, open to multiple meanings, or even reported by others while Jesus himself remained silent. They elevate these unclear texts to cancel out what is clear.

For example:

Clear statement – John 17:3: “This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” Here, Jesus openly distinguishes himself from God.

Ambiguous statement – John 10:30: “I and the Father are one.” Christians take this to mean equality in divinity, while the context shows Jesus was speaking of unity in purpose, not essence (as proven in John 17:21, where he prays that his disciples "may be one, as we are one".


And yet, these ambiguous statements became the very foundation of your faith; a foundation that required centuries of wrangling and nearly 300 years to finally coin the term "Trinity". The clear words of Jesus were ignored, while the vague and unclear became the cornerstone.




I also remember he said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. So what re you hung up on him?

DoctorStanley:
Jesus also said if you see him you've seen that one God. Something Muhammad or any other prophet dared not say. But love is his main message (and non-violence), quite different fro Mohammed

Muhammad’s message is consistent with the central message of all prophets: God is one, not triune. Jesus never preached a trinity either.

There is nothing in the doctrine you follow today that reflects the message Jesus actually brought. He did not write the gospels, and none of his disciples were involved in writing them.

When speaking directly, Jesus advised people to follow the Pharisees and was clear that he did not come to abolish the law.

And if, according to you, Jesus is God, then explain this: how does “turning the other cheek” align with the four genocides in the Old Testament? Should we also “turn the other cheek” in the face of murder, rape, injustice? Lmao!

DoctorStanley:
So you truly believe Jesus's message of trun the other cheek and pray for your enemies is the same message Muhammad brought with the Koran?

Yes and the minds of others as well.

You are right. I am wrong.

obinna58:
I can tell you 99.99% that nothing like unseen spirits exist, like I said it’s the mind playing tricks on you

I am very honest with myself and I am very aware of my experience as well. If this conversation came up years back, I would have been a skeptic but not anymore.

Again, religions now and before, across all cultures, languages, colour agree on that one thing that there are unseen spirits.

obinna58:
Yet it all have effects on you, you cannot shake out it’s manifestation, it’s a world rigged in favor of the top rankers, your question have answers if you look deep within yourself with pure honesty
It might look spiritual inside but it’s physical mixed up coincidences and laws of nature

The people who have worked hard to understand the concept of the universe, they are the people who should be given credit not those who sits hand’s fold trying to compromise it solely on mouth and unexplainable events

The attacks on Islam

it is Christians
If it is not Christians
It is pagans
If it is not pagans
It is atheists
If it is not atheists
It is Hindis
If it is not Hindis
It is Persians
If it is not Persians
It is ExMuslims
If it is not ExMuslims
It is Jews

Only one religion and its plenty obsessed fans across the world. We love you too

Emotional because I dare question your audacity given that your version of God is a God that regretted, rested, wrestled, was scared, tempted

Yes I am emotional. And again with the question about name even AI is wiser than you lots. Se e wa okay at all bayi? What is this obsession over nothing?

Exactly, my point isn't for you to agree.

I stated my experience and you have stated yours.

Kobojunkie:
You keep insisting on this yet without evidence... this is clearly the pattern with religion. Saying so much about nothing at all! 😐😐😐

You definitely want the drama.

I am very aware of the scam aspect of it. That si like the majority of it. I didn't grow up with them next to me. I have an interesting family. Again, this isn't new information.

Kobojunkie:
1. Something dramatic to wow me? Why would I want that?

2. Telling you I grew up around them and with their kids, some of whom went on to replace their fathers in the business, implies there is nothing even you can tell me about them. I already know a lot and enough to know the scam of it all.

Of course. Limited experience, limited understanding 🤗🤗🤗

Kobojunkie:
Curious about what I am 100% sure is all in your heads? 🥱🥱🥱

Of course, you want something dramatic to wow you. Sorry to disappoint you. It isn't always like that.

Yes, you grew up with them doesn't mean anything either. Again, venture out and do the leg work.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ah! So the person who is possessed might not even be aware he/she is possessed? Honestly, this does not tell me anything! 🙄🙄🙄

2. I just added that so you see that I am no stranger to babalawos and local gods.

Oh sure you are. 100%

Your understanding and experiences are limited. So curious but still afraid to venture out?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are mistaken. I am not the one here who is limited in understanding.

I remembered staying and restating that possession is not necessarily the way we see it. You might be possessed and not know it. It isn't always psychotic episode, disability, barrenenesa etc. It can even be positive and/or unharmful.

You grew up next to Babalawo tells me nothing about your research into the unseen.

Kobojunkie:
My passion is not on disbelieving but on calling out frauds for the frauds they are.

2. I grew up next door to a babalawo — shrine and all. His kids were my friends, and we frequented his shrine every day we went over to hang out. I even had friends who were considered witches in the community, and not a single evidence they had any powers or intelligence of such. I can go on, but the point remains the same, doesn't it?

And that is fair. The question is if can indeed be proven scientifically or not?

Kobojunkie:
Not just a video but confirmation by a real doctor that the situation is indeed due to the presence of a foreign entity in that body— data and the works to back it up.

I don't understand you are so passionate about disbelieving and you are yet to find your way to a serious Osun or Babalawo.

Why?

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

Yes we back, with limits of your understanding.

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

I am happy it sounds gibberish to you . You know you are just showing the limit of your understanding and experiences. And that is fine dear.

Why would they create a video?

If they created a video of a full blown possession, I wont take them seriously or disbelieve or see them as charlatans. Actually some of them once came up often on Instagram, muted them.

Kobojunkie:
1. I think I was clear when I said no one outside of the religious circles; Christianity is a religion, right?

2. You know all of this amounts to spewing storyland gibberish to me, right? 🙄🙄

Again, there are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet with millions of videos created every single day of experiences had, yet not a single video created by those outside of religious circles verifying the claims of possessions to date. Why?

Not me.

Psychotic episodes wasn't the only thing I mentioned. Again we are aware that they happen and how they happen. You read the part where medical solution was sought first?

So we know and very well aware. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Psychotic episodes are not permanent and are not predictable. There are really no medications to cure them— it can pretty much happen to any one of us, really—, and yes, they can last and end at any time, just like that.

2. So, you had a psychotic episode then that lasted for a long time, like many of us have experienced, or are you literally claiming you were possessed? Which one?

They did same to mine, so many of mine. Do you see me whining?

Again, I have come to the end of back and forth with you.

TenQ:
I guess the admins are your friends or working for Islam as they have been deleting all my responses to you

They do, there are Christians relatives that also witnessed and suggested Bible and the Church. We didn't worry about that because there was no need.

Over 8 billion that you have met?

There are people across cultures and places that are heavily into spiritualism and connecting to something higher than themselves today as it as always been for thousands of years. Have you managed to tap into any? Osun perhaps?

Aren't you a Christian, for some reason didn't Jesus cast out some demons?

Kobojunkie:
And conveniently, no one outside of your religious circles has ever witnessed these things firsthand. How come?

2. There are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet. Yet, I have never met or run into any of them. And no one has to date documented any actual possessions outside of religious closets. How come?

If you say so, once someone starts with Allah and Balckstone. I don't take them seriously.

Ohyoudidnt:
No he seems quite smart except for his obsession with faulty conclusions.

Once they realise that they can't come for Qur'an.

They go for hadiths despite the whole loads of complexity with hadiths. Hadiths is always the victim.

If you like read your explanation and the TRUE and RIGHT TRANSLATION of the hadith

https://www.aljumuah.com/women-men-and-intellectual-deficiency/

TenQ:
What a shallow argument!

You are claiming that because billions worship Allah, then Islam must be TRUE!?

Hear what your prophet said:

Sahih al-Bukhari 304
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

One more thing possession, isn't always about a maniac or psychotic episode.

There are people possessed and nothing is wrong with them at all. Nothing negative just everyday not all life.

Kobojunkie:
To this day, there remains no evidence for any of the claims you made, though. So, how does one, in fact, go about answering any of what you said?
I have never seen a true possession, but what I have seen are people having psychotic episodes. So?

Someone read the well detailed quote below and said I have refuted nothing, what an insol.....,,,ent lie but nothing unusual about that with you anyways.

If you understood a little bit about religion, nothing special about the parallels you don't own the sole claim to God and His prophets. Lmao.

Qur'an has stripped you the right to blaspheme against God and his prophets. God doesn't regret not does he rest as claimed by the Bible. Prophets of God like Aaron never worshipped a golden calf, David would never do that to Bathseba and her husband, Solomon would never have 700 wives and 300 concubines. Jesus would never call a gentile a dog. Jacob would never have been too drunk to sleep with the wrong woman or treat her with such injustice. Jacob would never wrestle with God. Lot was never rap.......,,,,e.d by his daughters. Blasphemy upon Blasphemy!

I seek refuge with God from you!

How about that for parallels... 😆. Arabs are descendants of Ishmeal yet you are claiming sole ownership to God and his prophets? Are you high?

About how the Prophet referred to Mary, it doesn't need to make sense to you, nothing will. The reality is people call others in Semitic culture as son of, daughter of , sister of.......

Nothing surprising about your disbelief.

Quran describes you perfectly!

Indeed, those who disbelieve; it is the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil; and for them is a great punishment.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:6–7)

Did the Prophet copy the Bible?

To say the Prophet copied is the laziest argument ever.

The Qur’an’s writing is VERY DIFFERENT FROM the Bible. Few people were even scholars in his time, yet the Qur’an contains things far beyond the scope of the Bible. Access to such knowledge would have placed the Prophet at the very top of the educated elite of the world and they were very few people in that sphere and if he had copied, people would have called him out during his life and after. Do you really think the past was like today, where information is at your fingertips? . For such beautiful scholarship as the Qur'an, there should have been other works before or during his supposed scholarship with the other educated men of his time in Rome, Syria? Where are they sir?

And let’s be clear: for a liar or copyist, even the stupidest one wouldn’t “confuse” Mary with Aaron as her literal brother. The Bible’s genealogy is obvious, which only proves one thing, it wasn’t a copy. Otherwise, it would be the dumbest copy in history.

The Prophet himself explained that people were often called by the names of prophets and righteous figures before them. So Mary being called “sister of Aaron” was a cultural expression, not a mistake. It was a way of linking her to noble ancestry just as Jesus was called son of David and God calls us children of Abraham.

Mary came from the priestly line of Aaron through the family of Imran. That’s why her people invoked Aaron’s name to remind her of the honour and responsibility tied to her lineage. And the Qur’an strongly suggests Mary grew up in the temple whose first Chief Priest was Aaron himself. The Prophet is right; you know nothing.


Haman in the Qur’an vs the Bible
You assume the Bible is historically accurate. That was your first mistake. This is the same Bible where God “regrets” twice and “rests” on the seventh day, and where Moses somehow writes about his own death in Deuteronomy.

Jews themselves don’t always claim the Bible’s books are historical. The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia says about how the boo of Esther is nto historicaly accurate:

“The very tone of the book itself, its literary craftsmanship and the aptness of its situations, point rather to a romantic story than a historical chronicle.”

Some scholars even argue it’s a reworking of Babylonian myths of Marduk and Ishtar, not Jewish history at all.
Now compare that to the Qur’an: two ancient Egyptian inscriptions the Rosetta Stone and a Stela actually mention an overseer of stonemasons with the name he-man-ḥw, which matches what the Qur’an says about Haman/someone serving Pharaoh as . I care not for the academic side of it.

Pharaoh said: "O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace (Arabic: Sarhan, lofty tower or palace), that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" [Qur'an 28:38]

Pharaoh in the Qur’an vs the Bible
The Bible casually calls every ruler of Egypt “Pharaoh.”
The Qur’an, however, distinguishes: Joseph’s ruler is called king, not Pharaoh, while Moses’ adversary is called Pharaoh. Historically, Qur’an is correct NOT every ruler used to be called Pharaoh. The original meaning of “Pharaoh” was the royal palace or residence, and it only became a title for the king much later.

How exactly would Prophet Muhammad have known this if he was copying the Bible?[/i]

Samiri and the golden calf
In the Bible, Aaron, the very man God appointed as Moses’ prophet and the first High Priest is said to have built the golden calf. Think about it:, the same man chosen for honour supposedly commits the worst sin of leading Israel into idolatry? That doesn’t even make sense.

[i]The Qur’an fixes this. It names Samiri, not Aaron, as the one who made the calf. That preserves Aaron’s role as honoured prophet without attributing to him the most egregious act of betrayal against God.


I will stop here. These examples are enough. Anyone with sense can see the Qur’an didn’t copy, and if you’re serious, you can do the rest of the research yourself but wait it is the heart that is blind. Take care of yourself

Gabrielshow24:
The above, in w.r.t(with respect to) my reply, still didn't say anything useful. Periphrasis without achieving anything🥱.

Your brothers did better than you in terms of coherence😵‍💫. We are not concerned with your sentiments but with fact. A simple contradiction you seemingly brought upon yourself by claiming the non-existent about David is “how then did Solomon come into existence?“🤨 Suddenly, your theology falls apart. The book that claims to explain all things in detail doesn't know all things in detail 🥱.

We appreciate the sentiment for making prophets flawless yet your Quran seemingly threw them all under the bus by asserting that only Jesus is sinless😵‍💫—there goes your allusions.

Claiming ownership of “God and his prophets“ was what led you to plagiarize their book🥱.
You took what you didn't have understanding of, you borrowed from everywhere: Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Judaism, Athenian school of thought and polytheistic cultures.

Don't get me started with you on all this.
Better make your message coherent and then pass it across ...

cc: sterope

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You must be whining TenQ that he is smarter than this.

Someone debating Blackstone and the meaning of Allah… in 2025.

They can’t see the magic of Hajj; millions of languages, cultures, and colours coming together as one. One religion, uniting the world. They can’t even imagine the foresight. It can only be God!

And Ramadan as well? The same story billions fasting across the globe.

The idea that Islam is dangerous came as a result of this level of discipline, fundamentals that can unite billions across the world...it is scary from a conspiracy perspective

Do you actually grasp the scale of this?

God be praised. Prophet Muhammad is the most influential man alive

Dorn with you TenQ, I would hate to go back and forth on the same thing. May God guide you alright!

Ohyoudidnt:
So all the acts of kissing 'saints', clergy, family members amongst the Israelites are no longer gestures of affection? Or players that kiss medals or trophies are worshipping them?

No the Blackstone doesn't absorb sins or intercede.

Come on Tenq you are supposed to be smatter than this.

We know

Allah as in Al-The; Lah - God

It is in English, God and god are the same except for the capitalisation. What is so confusing for you?

It is Like Alaha in Aramaic as well that Jesus called God in his language grin. The best part is that Arabic and Aramaic are both semite language with the same root word for the Almighty God which is L and H. cool

Allah is known to depict The Almighty God with the definitive The. As opposed to just god.

Do you have comprehension issues? Are you sure you are alright?


The nonsense about the Blackstone. It is not part of hajj ritual, Propeht kissed it once in one reported hadith and we won't hear the end of it from people who believed God let humans being mu.....,,,,rder him as a form of human......,,, sacrifice to himself. You have some ridiculous audacity. I keep telling you that. We don't worship it. If we did we won't be Muslims but pagans. It was there from time immerorial and it was left there.

I am not going back and forth with you on this. The low level argument on this thread are definite indicators that the other person isn't clever AT ALL. Nothing to argue here. My job is done!

TenQ:
Symbolic!?
Did you hear yourself!?
Symbolic for something that absorb sins?
Symbolic for something that intercede for Muslims?

Is the Blackstone is the right hand of Allah?


Tell me if this is NOT idolatry?
An Idol is a physical representation of a Deity who perform some of the functions of the Deity!

Muslims think that bad argument is an antidote for the heavy flaw in their theology