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Oooh why e Kon be say na China dey do am? E don kon spoil wetin I always dey talk say Muslims dey Mad. See how mad, abnormal, perverted and evil their thinking is.

Thankgod89:
Whether one observes a Sabbath day or sees every day as a Sabbath in Christ, the key is resting in Him rather than legalistic rule-keeping.

Jesus did not abolish it but clarified its purpose, emphasizing mercy and necessity over legalism.

Legalistic refers to man made laws and man's commands

So, being God Law fully minded means that you are doing what God and Christ Commanded which is "keep my commandments".

All these is because people are not taking account that Paul was talking to pagans
at a time when God and His Commandments was not known outside Isreal.

MightySparrow:
Rom.14...
So, there is no need for any Sabbath: Jesus is the Sabbath of the believers. Those that claim to be observing Sabbath are not. They worship on Saturdays. They don't observe seventh year, year of jubilee.

On the whole, Sabbath is for the children of Israel as a sign but a reality to us...

You have forgotten who he talking to, which is Romans who are Pagans at a time when God and His Commandments was not known outside Isreal.

So, it is only natural for Paul to teach only fundamentals to pagans.

So concepts like Sabbath would not be easy to keep in a foreign land of the Romans.

Hence why he said
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

But we are of the generation born with God's Commands in our hearts to the point that our land used to keep the Sabbaths in the 80's and all work stopped at 4:00pm on Friday evening.

To even think think Sabbath means "Holy Day" which has now being perverted to be spelt "Holiday".

And see all the holiday/holy days we have in the land in which people Rest.

It clearly shows that The Law is on ground but like Isreal people are being taught to remain in their paganism.

cornelboy:
Point is upper or lower case doesn't the meaning of a word

Devil, devil, DEVIL all means same thing. Same word.

That is because no one has any regard and reverence for devil, so no one cares how he is described for that name in all designs still refers to despised him.

Whereas the Hebrews and the Bible took steps to use capital G for The All Mighty and His Son in great reverence and respect for Them while using small g for all other fake things since there are other fake and powerless things which share that same word.

So you have just proved that Jws are Satanists and Antichrists who no regard and reverence for God!

So no need repeating yourself, you have shown who you and your society are

Newgoodkk:
Hmmmm ! This is Very Deep..

He is still Wrong

docdes:
This is an old question. And, there can hardly be an answer we can all accept. You can't understand it just as your 5-year-old can't understand it when you whip him.

In my understanding, the Devil is like someone who does God's dirty jobs. Or, he's like a control experiment

Wrong!

CIA, SSS etc do dirty jobs for their rulers and in the end they get promoted and retire with pensions and honour and glowry.

But Satan is caught and thrown in Prison and in disgrace. He even wars against the God Whom you claim he works for.

Should Wike war against Tinubu would you say that he does Tinubu's dirty works?

No!

That clearly means that he is an enemy of state just Bello Turji.

Your example of the temptation of Jesus is already falled because you should have remembered that so did he tempt the angels and where are they now? In God's Prison

So, this tells you that Satan is just trying to get any person he can get.

And that Jesus allowed this to happen so as to show us that Satan goes after anyone but he is beatable.

So, you are wrong

Deepspirituals:
Hmmmmm ! Thanks .So , if this is true ..It was a Natural Necessity that God Has to Create The Opposing Spirit that Possessed the Devil to Acts in Opposition to God inorder to Balance Nature ?.

No it's not. She is talking rubbish.

The creations which God created are called persons. And persons are not mannequins or robots because they have a right to act in a way that is either good or evil.

Newgoodkk:
Why did God create the devil to destroy His plan?

Some Would say , The Devil wasn't Created to destroy God's Plan but Sin Entered into him and He Turned Against God .

God created Everything, Where did SIN Emanated from ?

Did the Devil Creates SIN ?
.

So you see, you have moved from the wrong thinking of thinking whether God create the devil to destroy His plan to actually trying to find out the Truth of what happened using the available information we have been given.

Newgoodkk:
The Devil was Said to be among the Angels ..Right ?
Does the Devil too has Flesh ,Was Sinful Spirits Parts of the Devil's Creative Components ?

if this is true ,Meaning God Puts in that Sinful spirit in the Devil ..

Was it God's Original Plan to Make the devil acts the way he did .

Remember Judas...Christ Must be betrayed for the Prophesy to be fulfilled .

Revelation 12 V 7..And there was War in Heaven ....

You guys should pay attention to how you guys carry out investigations otherwise you end up tainting your own evidence, then you find yourself submiting that tainted evidence only for someone to come and point out that you tainted the evidence with your own prints.

First you have to remember that God created persons whether spiritual or fleshy but they are still Persons.

And persons means a being capable of doing either good or evil.

That is why we see have Holy Spirit vs evil spirit as we good doers and workers of evil in the flesh.

And persons are not mannequins or robots because they have a right to act in a way that is either good or evil.

So where did sin come from? Answer: Satan

Why him?
Because God has a thing for the FIRST.

The Lord Jesus is God's First, so you see why He is The Greatest of All of The Most High's creation and God over values Him because Jesus is The First. And you see, the whole world knows Him.

Same thing for Satan, for as you see the whole world knows him to be the greatest and worsest of all evil

And because there is no one greater in evil, it clearly indicates that He was the FIRST to sin.

And we see this pattern replicated again and again. Eg
Male Adam hence why God takes all male first borns, Female Adam was the first human to sin, and like Satan, God never concluded her case but adjourned it [b]sine die [/b]

https://www.nairaland.com/8281391/god-thing-first-there-always#133098226

So all these is because Satan started the custom and tradition of sinning and got others to join him in it

DaddyCoool:
Good and evil. Mention one instance in nature where there is singularity. Right can't exist without left, up can't exist without down, etc. Bad Devil is necessary because good God exists

Food is all good.

Rest is all good

Play is really good

Laughter is all good

Help is all good

Worshipping God is all good etc

MightySparrow:
If you are in Christ, you are already serving the Sabbath. Any other Sabbath is lack of scriptural understanding.

That would presume that a person in Christ truly rests on the 7th Day technically Saturday in obedience to God!

And goes on to work on all other days.

Truthseeker10:
The above verses you quoted does not mention "Lord our God". You claimed that Deuteronomy 4:2 is referring to Jesus as "LORD our God". Please who is the LORD in Genesis 17:1 if you claim that Jesus is not the Almighty God?

Which I already answered saying

"Isreal already knew The Lord is our God as is their God.

Which was a fact laid since the Genesis. But if people still wanted to pretend like you that they did not know that The LORD is our God

Deuteronomy clearly said it

Deut 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God
which I command you.

Deut 5:2
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb

So, you are just repeating yourself since you do not have any valid thing to say.

Truthseeker10:
Who is the "Lord our God" in Matthew 4:10?

Off Point.

The topic is not Who is the "Lord our God" in Matthew 4:10.

And so this proves YOU LIED when you said I said so.

bingbagbo:
My brother,

Please answer:

Is it work if a shepherd picks his sheep from the pit ?

I believe you know the correct answer is that no one can reasonably say that this is work.

So this causes me to ask you what things do you know that amount to "work" in God's Eye, which every reasonable person in the whole world would say yes that truly from God's Eyes they are work?

bingbagbo:
Are you under the law? Please read Romans 10:4

If you are under the law then you are not born again. My post is for the born-again.

I am waiting please

As I have said please do not reverse the burden of proof.

I asked you first that if you say you are not under The Law "how come you say 'thou shalt not commit adultery or worship other gods, if you say that you are not under The Law

And you have refused to answer it, which clearly means that you yourself can see that you are making a mistake.

bingbagbo:
You may refer to the following if you insist that you are still under the law:

No please do not reverse the burden of proof.

I have put it to you to answer that if you say you are not under The Law "how come you say 'thou shalt not commit adultery or worship other gods, if you say that you are not under The Law?"

So please, reasonability, fairness and logic dictate that you answer the question and burden I have placed on you by reason of presentation, so please attend to it and if you know that you cannot do so, then you yourself can see that you are making a mistake.

Truthseeker10:
So The "Lord our God" in the above verses was not the Almighty God but Jesus?

Who is the LORD in Genesis 17:1, is it Jesus?

I have already pointed out that the bible said when I said

"And who is The LORD our God? It is still the same Jesus Christ!

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.

1 Corinthians 12:3
..And that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So, no need repeating and twisting yourself.

Truthseeker10:
But you claimed that Jesus was referring to himself in Matthew 4:10. ..

When did I say so?

cornelboy:
Boy, boy BOY, same meaning. Uppercase or lower case doesn't change the meaning of a word.

Devil, Devil, Devil.

Only Satanist have no regard and reverence for God so of course you must say this even when the Hebrews and the Bible took steps to use capital G for The All Mighty and His Son while using small g for all other fake things

So you have just proved that Jws are Satanists and Antichrists!

Truthseeker10:
Does any of the verse that you quoted mention "Lord our God"?

Isreal already knew The Lord is our God as is their God.

Which was a fact laid since the Genesis. But if people still wanted to pretend like you that they did not know that The LORD is our God

Deuteronomy clearly said it

Deut 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God
which I command you.

Deut 5:2
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that Jesus was not referring to the Almighty God in which he is not according to you in Matthew 4:10 and John 4:23?

Off point.

The topic is not about who was Jesus referring to in Matthew 4:10 and John 4:23.

MaxInDHouse:
What he doesn't understand is that it's a worshiper or worshipers of a god that will use the upper case for their deity if you approach a worshiper of Allah or a worshiper of Buddha or Krishna all your arguments will make no sense if you are insisting on using upper case for a God in opposition to others.

An Israelite, a Christian will surely use the upper case for his own God but that will never make the worshiper of Allah or Buddha or Krishna to agree that his God belongs to the lower case!

And your point is everyone is reverencing their own gods or He Who the world knows is The All Mighty God which they have to explain to whoever in interested whether they are talking about The Almighty God or their own fake gods.

So this is completely pointless.

cornelboy:
God and god is the same word. Upper or lower case doesn't change the meaning

And that is why you are a devil and a Satanist for only Satanist do not have regard and reverence for God for even the same Hebrews you claim separated the identification of The Almighty God from the rest of the fake and lesser things called gods which is why even you like the rest of the world where able to identify that Psalm 82:6 is talking about humans which your 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 is still saying.

So, you are just proving that Jws are Liars and Satanists.

bingbagbo:
There are many errors in your rebuttals, my post addresses them. But the moment I read the bolded, I knew you do not know what you are saying. Kindly check the following as to whether or the Sabbath was a shadow:

Colossians 2:16-17
[16]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon [b
or sabbaths,
[17] which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Further:



Do you now see it.

This says "Things to come" which means it is talking about the future future wherein all will be well and nothing like judgement would be there.

And not talking about the present future where Judgement is and Judgement acomming.

Christ Is The End of The Law (Romans 10:4)

Also "end of The Law" is Law term which you know that Paul is a Lawyer, so he means "the destination of The Law" and not the termination or extinction of the Law as you are wrongfully thinking and wishing.

Which is why I asked you "how come you say 'thou shalt not commit adultery or worship other gods, if you say that you are not under The Law?

bingbagbo:
I come in peace my brother. My post addresses your queries please. Thank you.

No it does not.

You are outrightly lying against The LORD because of you are in great error.

First, I can immediately see that you truly agreed with the Pharisees who called walking and plucking fruits to eat as work.

For if you truly appreciate that no reasonable person can call that work, then I believe that your opinion would have been different.

Secondly, again you make the mistake of saying that "the born-again is not under the dispensation of the law and prophets"

So how come you say 'thou shalt not commit adultery or worship other gods, if you say that you are not under The Law?

Address this, if you can.

Truthseeker10:
So according to you, Jesus is Worshiped but he is not the Almighty God?


Below is Matthew 4:10 and John 4:23. Who did Jesus say is the Only person that we should worship and serve? Himself or the Father?

King James Bible
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

King James Bible
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

And who is The LORD our God? It is still the same Jesus Christ!

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.

1 Corinthians 12:3
..And that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

cornelboy:
The point is that God and god are the same word same meaning.
Maybe 1 cor 8:5,6 will bring sense to you.

And that is the Lie you lie, for I have shown you that even the Hebrews separated the identification of The Almighty God from the rest of the fake and lesser things called gods which is why even you like the rest of the world where able to identify that Psalm 82:6 is talking about humans which your 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 is still saying.

So, as already pointed out, you are Lying and have been Lying since

cornelboy:
There are many gods in heaven and earth, but for Christians, we only take Jehovah as the one God.

That is you and your group choosing what you want and not facing what is plain for everyone to see.

But this is a deviation so can it.

cornelboy:
Now ask yourself, when God called humans (Psalm 82:6), did he use god or God?
There's no difference between them ser

The bible already shows that He used "gods" for every other fake and lesser and powerless things, so this question is stupid and very unnecessary to ask.

bingbagbo:
Intriguing question.

The Sabbath was one of 10 commandments The Lord gave the Israelites through Moses (Exodus 20).

The Sabbath denoted rest from work on the seventh day; many believe the seventh day is Saturday (I am not contesting this belief).

Even under the dispensation of The Law (Moses), the Priests were exempted from the Sabbath (Matthew 12:5).

Moreover, the born-again is not under the dispensation of the law and prophets, he is under the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). The law and the prophets was until John The Baptist (Matthew 11:13).

Now, if even priests under the old covenants profaned the Sabbath and yet were blameless according to Matthew (12:5) how much more blameless is the born-again in regard to the Sabbath, he being a priest and a king in Christ (Revelations 1:6; Revelations 5:10).

The Sabbath was a typology of rest in Christ; to the born-again everyday is a Sabbath - rest in Christ. The born again is free to work and do all things all day including the seventh day provided these activities/works are not sinful.

The Lord Jesus himself who is our Standard and Lord of the Sabbath worked on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-15).

The Sabbath was a shadow of the real substance which is Christ Jesus (Colossians 2:17) - Now we have Christ Jesus (the substance and reality), why do you want to hold on to a shadow?

Why do you keep gazing at the photo of your spouse when your spouse is right with you?

Do you engage in any activity/work at all on Saturdays as a sabbatarian ?

Matthew 12:11
Then He (Jesus) said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?

I come in peace

I will bite you oo. Why are you Lying against The LORD?

Since when did talking a walk and plucking fruits to eat constitute working?

And did you not read that Cbrist, The LORD Said "if you love me keep my commandments"?

And go and look how many times God Said keep my Sabbaths?

Even in the new testament the disciples still obeyed it. Luke 23:56

"Especially that her shout of "I have gotten a man", leading to question wetin she bin get before?

And the answer is na woman she bin born before.

Which is why people react when women birth only girls for it is a clear sign of what transpired between her and Satan in the garden in Genesis, for the seed that was in her belly whom God Cursed was a woman.

And that is why women desperately panick when they birth only girls for they know that men do not know the Truth that indeed Satan fornicated/with Female Adam and since she was betrothed to Male Adam, therefore she was technically married, therefore she and Satan are both guilty of adultery also.

Meanwhile, since after her fornication/adultery with Satan, she then went and have her husband, therefore, male Adam's sin was only fornication aka sex before formal marriage.

While female Adam is guilty of both Fornication and Adultery

Hence, God looks at both of them as the same since both of them were committed at the same time, the very First Time, they were committed.

Therefore, since adultery is even worser than the 2 of them, it is sufficient that God only mentioned adultery in the Commandments knowing that any discerning and wise person would find out that those Laws also condemned fornication.

Because of my response to Delkuf's inquisition in the thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8363307/men-belong-god-women-belong#134459321

I have come to appreciate that God did not directly speak about Fornication because in His view it is the same as adultery.

Brenbentondiaz:
I thought this section was for religious discourse. Pls check comedy section that way 👉.

Is the talk on God and Satan not a religious discuss?

Just say that you are not ready to look at the Truths you already see and know especially because you love women and sex 3much.

doggedfighter:
Op, go and look for food and eat.

Na person wey don and bellyfull na im dey get time dey do investigation and think think.

Just talk say you no get wetin you fit talk as you dey fear say men don dey see and know all the things wey una don know since.

delkuf:
This your logic na only God know as you get am oooooo

Actually, I have noticed that when God acts, He always has a reason.

And so, I have been pondering for years why He chose first males and why He deliberately Speaks to men and while He has a soft spot for men.

And living already shows that men are kinder and gooder than women. Even women choose to be with and deal with men rather than with women.

And it is now known that women are eviler than men as proven by the statement "women and Satan are 5 and 6"

So, it began to be understandable why God deals favourably with men whereas women are bound with many many Curses, which is why you see they desperately need to have a man.

So, when I put all these together and began to trace the origin, it hit me to re examine Genesis 1.

And I can clearly see that Adam male never heeded not bent to Satan at all and therefore he never did Satan's will at the beginning.

Unlike Adam female.

And I see that he only fell because he loved his wife and he got tired of telling her "no, God Said we should not do it'.

But she would man pullingnatively say now that she has become evil "what about me who ate it? So you want me to die, ehn,?" And we know that she would make living very unpleasant for him until he obeyed her desire.

So I see that this resistance and non fall for Satan counted for male Adam and therefore saved all males.

Hence God's First Male had been protected and preserved. Which is why God later takes all first males. (Which I was pondering about)

And so, seeing how greatly evil women are and can be and the ease with which they do evil, I got to see that this shows that women belong to Satan and that Satan has claimed them.

Especially that her shout of "I have gotten a man", leading to question wetin she bin get before?

And the answer is na woman she bin born before.

Which is why people react when women birth only girls for it is a clear sign of what transpired between her and Satan in the garden in Genesis, for the seed that was in her belly whom God Cursed was a woman.

And that is why women desperately panick when they birth only girls for they know that men do not know the Truth that indeed Satan fornicated/with Female Adam and since she was betrothed to Male Adam, therefore she was technically married, therefore she and Satan are both guilty of adultery also.

Meanwhile, since after her fornication/adultery with Satan, she then went and have her husband, therefore, male Adam's sin was only fornication aka sex before formal marriage.

And that is why he was not as heavily punished as the woman whose case was even adjourned sine die

Go and check it, God never concluded her case like Kanu's case is still going on.

So this is how I arrived at this conclusion.

GothamCities:
The cultists will turn a blind eye to that verse. I've posed it to the several time. They never responded but continued in their satanism.

Clear proof that they are Liars and Satanists

HeatSeeker:
Have you considered the possibility that the JWs you have met offline might not be well versed in the JW teachings? Not all church goers can boldly speak or answer questions on the statement of faith adopted by their denomination.

It's like an open secret among Christians that a fairly large portion of any denomination are at best nominal.

Like I said earlier, consider calming down

We know intelligent people when we interact with them and when you ask or argue with them about subjects which are not about these their dem say beliefs, you will see them answer you

But once you hit this dem say beliefs or you even go near it, the same person who has been talking since now flees, for he knows he has to Lie big time here (for even in the other safe arguments they did it. But usually those arguments are not serious for anyone to reasonably convict them of Lying)

But on this big and serious topics, they run because they know that if they Lie, we would call the public to come and hear the matter and the whole world would hear how JW Lied

And the world would see that all their appearance of righteousness is Fake.

And then people would remember that they already see that these jws are exactly feeling like all the other cults they have identified and treat like they are Satanists.

So, understandably jw would want to protect and block people from seeing that they are Satanists so that people would continue thinking that based on what they have also seen already, which they have taught their members to play up, that they are Christians and even better righteous people than regular church goers who people call Christians.

Instead of the Satanist and Antichrists they Truly are.

So, the cult would not want their Deceptions bursted, so off line if you asked them about this dem say beliefs, they will run. And if one of them wanted to even address it, the others will stop him and drag him to run with them.

Knowing that as long as we do not have their word on this dem says, people would never know the Truth that they are actually representing Satan and that their already eerie looking and creepy feeling society is truly the same as the other eerie looking and creepy feeling cults we have already identified.

So, these exposẹ́ and their confessions and their engagement is very full filling and needfull. And from now on people now see and understand and know who Jws are.

And that they are truly Satanist as people have been suspecting and saying.

cornelboy:
So what's the word for God and god in Hebrew
I really wanna know how God and god means different things

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’

God and god both have same root word "elohim".

In a nutshell, god, God, and GOD doesn't mean different thing.

The word God is more like a common noun and not a particular name for anybody.

Hope you're learning

Repeating yourself just proves that you are trying to find how you can bend the argument into another argument as you have been doing since.

I have already said the Hebrew language like every other language in the world has a different name identifying and distinguishing God The Supreme and All Mighty from every other lesser things that they know, which is what the Bible replicated by giving capital "G" to the All Mighty God and His Son and all other fake and powerless gods, small "g".

And everyone in the world understood that, and that is why there is no issue on this issue of the Hebrew root word of “God" being translated as “God, “god,” or “gods” in English.

You, like the whole world understood that God, The Supreme and All Mighty is distinguished with the capital G as God while humans and other lessers are called "gods" with a small g in the bible eg Psalm 82:6 which you evilly altered and deceivingly changed to "Gods" so as to defend your Lies (knowing that it is evil and fraud to alter documents during an inquiry).

And now you have quoted the the verse showing small g for gods which everyone in the world knew it says as I said for it is talking about humans as you yourself concluded.

Thus,yet again, this is you, yet again trying to hide the Lies you tell with another half truths Lie of Hebrew root word of “God" is translated as “God, “god,” or “gods” in English.

It does not work!!

All these Lies and frauds and deceptions just prove beyond reasonable doubt that that you JWs are all Satanists and Antichrists.

gohf:
Here is your "dtruth" the one you agree with and follow. He doesn't even know the spirit using him

Do you never learn that it is foolish to speak when you do not have any thing to say?