₦airaland Forum

Alcatraz005:
I am tired of addressing this autonomy issue jaree. Your problem is the north, face the north if you want freedom.

Nope..every creature know the problem is the Yorubas...and their treachery...Was it a northerner that wants Igbo to return to the region the silly government would not invest in?

Alcatraz005:
Enugu is a nice city. I spent a year there and i kinda enjoyed it. My advice is for more igbos to move over there and develop the SE in general.

Yes, they are doing that. As you can see from the pic, there are massive development for people coming back.

What is holding them back is the evil FG giving the region about 10% of power generated...plus other lack of federal investments like other regions...like poor FG roads, etc, etc...This is the reason the region wants out of Nigeria.

It is very idiotic to deprive people of investments from the national government..and still ask the people from the region to relocate tto the poorly invested region...and still foolishly claim one Nigeria...

Alcatraz005:
The problem of the igbos is very simple to solve.

1} Stop hating other tribes

2} Be humble and continue being hard working

3} Invest more in the SE and keep most of your people in Igbo land

If the above steps are followed religiously, an Igbo man will be voted into Aso rock in less than 20 years. We yorubas will even help you get elected like we helped Jonathan if you follow this advice.

Nope...

So because Igbos live in the north and SW where all, the FG investment goes..they will not be taken seriously?

You greedy people have had thd presidency for 8 years longer than any major tribe.

You are now the VP... You have Tinubu leader of APC and yet you are lamenting for not having the leader of PDP.

What a people?

What Igbos need is total or partial autonomy where they can rule and manage themselves with what they have...This is what you greedy peole are scared off..You leech on one Nigeria to cheat other people...

Her Royal Highness, Erelu Kuti IV of Lagos, Erelu Abiola Dosunmu, in this interview, shares her perspective on the controversy over the ‘ownership’ of Lagos and declares that the former federal capital was an extension of Benin Kingdom. She explains that there are no ambiguities regarding the ancestry of the aborigines of Lagos, saying they are predominantly Benin. Abiola Dosumu maintains that the Awori ,after settling in Lagos, paid royalties to Benin people. Excerpts: Erelu Abiola Dosunmu Are you not concerned about the controversy over the true aborigines of Lagos? I would not say I am concerned because I know the truth.

The history of Lagos is not obscure, it is very clear. If people are going to say the truth, we all know what the truth is. A friend was saying to me if I was not sure there is no third party trying to take the rights of Lagos through this raging controversy. We all know the story of Lagos from childhood. Even a play was staged about the beginning of Lagos last year. I just know that the truth will surface after this raging controversy because a lot of the gladiators are being miserly in some of their discussions. Can you give clarity on some of the things you consider not to be factual among those that have been said so far? The territory of Lagos has always been an extension of the Benin Kingdom in the sense that they used it as a passage to the port for their trading and interaction with foreigners. We all know that foreigners visited the Benin Empire long before colonialism and signing of the treaty of Lagos.

This their passageway and hunting ground. As soon as strangers came to settle down, they would pounce on them and make them pay royalties. Like all human beings, when you settle in a place for a long time, it is expected that you will have the right of ownership. And the foreigners were not ready to be subservient and refused to pay Isakole (royalty) and the Benin king did not take kindly to that. He sent an expedition and subjugated the foreigners and set up his own administration in form of a kingdom. Therefore, when I say that we are purely and predominantly Benin, it is the truth. The royalty of Lagos is predominantly Benin. But we have all intermingled and have since inter-married with people from Yoruba land and people from other places. And we are enjoying the two cultures. We are even enjoying more because we now have Igbo, Hausa and other tribes settling in Lagos.

We are not enjoying the Yoruba influence alone, we are also enjoying other influences. Prior to the institution of the royalty with Oba Ado as the first king, who were the people that the Benin met on the ground? The Benin has always known about Lagos because they considered it as part of their territory and they used it for many purposes. And when the Awori came from Ife to settle in the areas of Lagos, the Benin quickly got them to pay royalties. Benin was landlocked but, as Benin Empire, they were interacting with people from other parts of the world. It was Benin Empire and, when the Portuguese and others came, they also had to pass through the Kuramo waters to get there. They had already laid claim to the land called Lagos. Whether they gave it a name or not, it was an extension of their playground. And when another group of people came to settle there, the Benin said they already had authority over the palace. That was what informed their decision to make the Awori pay royalties. And after paying the Isakole for a while, they (Awori) decided not to pay anymore. That made the Benin to decide not to leave a vacuum anymore and set up an administration.

That is why I am saying that there is no ambiguity in the history of Lagos if we are going to tell the truth. All these people, who have been talking, never mentioned that they paid Isakole but we all know that. It is written in books that they paid Isakole. That was the main reason the Benin came and took Olofin away. He refused to be subservient to them. The Benin came here because it is their territory. There is evidence that an expedition was sent from Benin, there is evidence that they were conquered because there was an obaship in place. Even if they did not have anything and just sent an expedition to conquer, when someone conquers, he takes over the land and property of the conquered territory. Now, we want to unify our views and have a consensus so that those people, who are trying to take our rights away, can be confronted to see if we can get some kind of compensation for our children.

This is not the first time such controversy is raging, what do you think is responsible for its recurrence? What I did at NIIA was to state that Oba Dosumu was an unsung hero. It was to state that the treaty for which he was being castigated was a masterstroke. He was a forward-looking king who had the interest of his people at heart. He did not allow his position to go into his head by allowing his subjects to be destroyed in a meaningless battle. He found a way to a roundtable discussion and was able to retain integrity for his kingdom, while still retaining the friendship of the colonial people.

There are many countries in Africa where people don’t remember their culture but he found a way to get a concession by which he was allowed to remain a king and sustain the culture and pride of his people as independent human begins. And the people actually enjoyed the benefits because they were able to carry British passports and get scholarships to study abroad. That is why a lot of early educated people were the indigenous people of Lagos. For example, people like the late Justice Elias, Justice Junaidu, and Prince Ajose were among the early educated people. Our fathers and grandfathers were all products of King’s College, they were either great bankers, doctors, pharmacists, etc. It is wrong to think that Lagos people are lazy.

It is not the indigenous people of Lagos, who are lazy, it is those who come from other places. This kind of controversy happened before and it is here again. In the light of that, how can the issue be resolved because oral history is easily distorted and told to suit individual and group interests? If you don’t talk about issues, solutions may not be found. I think it is appropriate that we should discuss it. There should be this kind of conversation going on but, at the end of the day, a superior argument will carry the day. It is okay to take a story from wherever, but it is right to take it from the beginning and analyse it in a sensible way based on what our ancestors told us, what other people have written and what we learnt from our researches. That is the best instead of the jaundiced way it is being done now. We will get there. It is healthy that conversations will be going on, at the end of the day we will sit at a roundtable and harmonise our views. And whatever that is not clear, we will address it and come up with a consensus. We have had this kind of issue before on the story of the Eyo. The story is so clear but when the conversation started, people were attributing it to a princess from Badagry, but, at the end of the day, it was confirmed that the fetish came from the palace of the father of Queen Olugbani, wife of King Ado of Lagos. But the colourful Aga is a creation of Oba Akisemoye of Lagos, the fetish was to protect them from the curious gaze of the people of Lagos. Strong young men in the neigbourhood were clad in white and given a stick to ward off anybody that wanted to interfere and they were called the Laba. That is why the Laba will always say that they are the head of the Eyo because they were the ones guarding the fetish until the early 1950s when the fetish felt they were not guarded properly by the Laba. Otherwise, Eyo, in the past, instead of the yellow Aga, was always red.

They were protecting the fetish but when the fetish felt the Laba was not protecting them anymore, they started having their own people to protect them with different colours of Aga. From there it expanded to the palaces of the white chiefs who started having their groups. It also expanded to groups formed by the Eyo Omo Oloku because, whenever there is an Eyo, it is always to honour departed obas. The Eyo Omo Oloku can also come out in subsequent Eyos. So it kept getting bigger and definitely more colourful but it was a creation of the Oba of Lagos. The fetish was what was brought and the first Eyo was performed at the funeral of Queen Olugbani from where the fetish came from. But before we settled that matter, people told different stories.

I believe this one will be resolved. The problem is even not with the indigenous people of Lagos, it is being caused by people who want to claim ownership by default. They are the ones who are actually fueling the controversy. The Benin Kingdom is always a central factor in the history of Lagos and Oba Akiolu even acknowledged the place of the kingdom recently. Are there still some cultural activities that take place between the Lagos royalty and Benin royalty? There is nothing stringent but there are still some courtesies that are exchanged between the palaces. For instance, at the coronation of a new king in Lagos, the Oba of Benin will, at some point, come over to welcome the new king into the fold of royalty and remind the king that he has a father in him. That means that we still have those social courtesies that are exchanged between the two kingdoms. And if a new king is being crowned in Benin, the Oba of Lagos will have a vantage position as a son of the soil within the context of the ceremony. Apart from that, everybody is independent

etween us now is ceremonial and more of courtesies. Since all these started, have you reached out to the dramatis personae? I decided to talk because many people have called that, as the person who seems like a custodian of history and culture of Lagos for over 40 years, I should make a statement and reach out to everybody. I am talking because I want us to speak with one voice and not allow other people to take advantage of the situation. I am reaching out and hope that my views wil throw more light on the issues. We are going to reach out to more people and iron these out behind closed doors rather than on the pages of newspapers. On oral history When people talk about oral history, they also have to think of logic because if people rely on what they hear, they can never have a consensus. But logic must prevail. Time must also prevail because things are time bound.

If, for instance, they are saying that a certain people were paying royalties to the Benin Kingdom and others said they had been there centuries before the Benin came, but the same person who was said to have landed first was the same person that the Benin captured, how many centuries can that be? How long do human beings live? If they are saying the same person who came the first time was captured by the Benin and then returned, how long can it be? A lifetime! Okay, he came as a young man and was captured as an old man? How many years are we talking about? I have read stories where they said some had been here for centuries and they are talking about the same original settlers. Therefore, common sense and time factor should also come into play when saying things based on oral history.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/

I saw this on social media and I feel I should share it.

This is Libya desert, where people are buried after their organs are taken.

People should be warned.

The world doesn't end in Europe...with little money, people can start small businesses at home.

Yakson09:
i didnt ask a shameless pigdiot to quote me ooo. where ix cownu? proudly abokiiii frm kd

Go and tend to your donkeys, first...Leprous bowl carrying alamajiri...beggar...

SouthEastFacts:
You are just talking like a kid.

How old is Nigerian democracy, calculate the number of years Igbos has served at the highest level and compare it with Yoruba's 10 years, which they only got in this 4th Republic.

Where was the Yorubas in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and even before the 1st Republic?

I know you thought Nigerian democracy started from 1999.

The 4th Republic which started from 1999, is just 18 years, and each Region is expected to serve 8 years each.

The fact the Yorubas started first didn't make them special, but to compensate them for watching helplessly as Abiola is sent beyond. Even Obsanjo wasn't their choice. He was imposed on them, forced down their throat because their meaningless votes couldn't influence anything.

Buhari is in power because the NW didn't complete their 8 years, which Yar'Adua started. If not, nothing in this world would have made him President.

Assuming Jonathan ascendance didn't upset the plan, SE should be doing part of their 8 years now.

Nigerian 4th Republic is only 18 years, and you don't expect 6 regions to produce President within those 18 years.

When the time comes, all the whole gods of Yorubaland wouldn't be able to stop Igbo Presidency, talk more of your valueless votes.

Next time, stop commenting like a kid.

See finishing!!!

Yakson09:
After robbing them in broad daylight u want to reconcile abi.

Why are you people ever so greedy.

You have heard the longest serving president - OBJ 8 years.

You are currently the VP..

You are also currently the leader of APC

... and now you want to be the chairman of PDP.

Haba...If these positions were held by Igbos...you would be the first to say that Igbo are greedy..

Hypocrites everywhere...

Shame

NgeneUkwenu:
PDP's Defeat in 2019 will be epic!

Cry me a river

...IPOB?
....2019?
.....Atikulating..?

Which is it?...Surprised..why people don't do the right thing at the right time...

Can this change anything now...?

By Joseph Erunke ABUJA-AS President Muhammadu Buhari prepares to name a new Chief of Defence Staff, CDS, and the Service Chiefs any moment soon,there are indications that he would prove his critics wrong in the spread of the appointments of the nation’s security heads. Minister for Defence, Alhaji Dan Ali (r); the Chief of Defence Staff, Gen. Abayomi Olonishakin (2r) and other Service Chiefs during a brief colourful Special 74th Birthday Parade to honour the President at the forecourts of the Presidential Villa, Abuja. The president it was gathered, would pick the new military chiefs based on geographical spread of the country unlike the existing ones where such issue was not considered.

The decision of the president to shift ground, according to our source, is because he has already achieved his target of technically and considerably degrading the military capabilities of the Boko Haram terrorists as had promised in his 2015 campaign promise. Again, it was gathered that the fallback of the opposition Peoples Democratic Party, PDP on the president’s alleged insensibility in his mode of appointments especially in security circle to woo certain parts of the country ahead of the 2019 general election, was not being taken for granted by the president. Our source said the president had not taken the issue of geographical spread into consideration much when picking the current security chiefs because he wanted immediate and promptly results in the fight against Boko Haram, which had ceased significant number of council areas in the North Eastern state of Borno when he took over the reign of the nation’s affairs.

He said having achieved the aim of defeating Boko Haram terrorists which informed his choice of concentrating the heads of security in a particular geographical zones, the president would shift ground in the expected appointments to reflect the country’s geographical spread. “President Mohammedu may disappoint those who think he’s an ethnic and religious bigot as he set to appoint service chiefs with a balance spreads across religion and zones, unlike the present service chiefs where we have both the Chief of Army Staff and the Chief of Air Staff coming from the same geopolitical zone. “This is so, because he has considerably achieved his aim in defeating the Boko Haram terrorists as he had promised the country, “the source who is deeply vested in security matters told Vanguard.

The president as gathered, would any moment from now, name the new security heads to man the nation’s security sector given that the tenures of the current Chief of Defence Staff and Service Chiefs have expired. It was reliable gathered that a serving minister who’s close to the president is trying to down play merit and unblemished records in favour of his godson, a Major General,to succeed Lt General Buratai, who is said to be highly favoured for Chief of Defence Staff,CDS’ job. But the president is said to be insisting on clean service records, local and international operational experience, geopolitical zone spread, religious sensitivity and multiple lingual ability to guarantee regional cooperation that can bring about the total and quick defeat of Boko Haram.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/buhari-set-disappoint-critics-appointments-new-service-chiefs/

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deomelllo:
Obviously, the SE/SS can not claim party chairmanship and the VP slot at the same time so, the PDP VP slot is heading to the SW, meaning regardless the party in power after the 2019 elections, the SE again ends up with just party chairmanship while the SW ends up with the VP slot under APC or PDP, a perfect win-win situation for the SW.

This is how the SE got played, they didn't see the trap and landmine because as usual, they think and make their moves based on tribal and regional emotions and sentiments and never calculated moves and strategy.

The PDP to me is really a shitty and worthless party so I really care less, but I just love how the folks in the SW strategize and play superior politics.

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..because we have Amaechi and Wike they are not Igbos they are from SS...remember?

...How come Secondus who is from SS...is now Igbo? Where are you confused people trying to join the SS and SE...the same crime you accuse the Igbos of SE of...?

MayorofLagos:
Give few minutes...they will be here. They are busy at moment throwing kicks to wake head of household up.

afonjas and shifting goal post...

Where are the attachee by force?

Why are you joining SS and SE...? When IPOB did that, you called them attachee by force.

Why are you ever like the weather...Never stable...

Secondus is from your SS who should never be Igbos, remember?

blackpanda:
God forbid that pdp will ever smell power again in this country. Satanic party of greedy thieves!

You can't comprehend anything. The Chairman was right...These greedy thieves came together and form APC to grab power with no solid plan. That's the reason 3million jobs have been lost...Is this clear to you at all?

Why not split the country into smaller autonomous entities...

It would never be possible for all the new units to be as poor as Nigeria is currently.

That's the only solution.

As it is now. Nobody cares about the country.

efighter:
Yes, traitors that used over 3,000,000 stubborn Biafran pigs and idiots for pepper soup and suya between 1967 and 1970. Yoruba's pray to go to heaven, Biafrans pray to go to Lagos. Why can't you leave the traitors' land and stay in your land of hard drugs, armed robbery, kidnapping and killing inside churches?

So you Yoruba Muslims also pray to go to heaven?

Do you have skull mining in heaven?

Your job is coming to an end. See and read more>>>>

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/oyedepo-curses-buyers-sellers-human-parts-shiloh-2017/

Danladi7:
so you Ibo can now deny it that all Ibo are IPOB.

you have forgotten how you fight whoever differentiate between Igbo and IPOB.


you are fvcking hypocrites and betrayers.


No wonder they betrayed nnamdi kanu and abandoned "No biafra no election" for campaign for Hausa fulani man Atiku inside "zoo"....

So fighting them makes them IPOB members?

What do you have to say about these guys...

Danladi7:
Is that why you betrayed nnamdi kanu because of one hausa fulani man?

You no longer shout about python dance...

You guys are shameless...Continue... moving the goal post..until you score own goal

Alcatraz005:
I have shouted myself hoarse on this issue. It is not Yorubas that are holding back the actualisation of Biafra. You igbos just like to use that comment to blackmail the Yorubas. We do not even want you around us. I am a Christian yoruba boy living in Lagos and I don’t have any igbo friend. Doesn’t that tell you something? You can continue to delude yourself.

You are definitely new here...

Every Nigerian knows the tribe who wants one Nigeria the most.

I have crisscrossed many media outlets and blogs..the story is the same thing....

This is an example../.

Nairaland Says No To Secessionists (1) (2) (3) ... (85) (86) (87) *

property123:
For the past 20 years, we have contributed our quota to the development of Enugu state real estate sector by providing decent accommodations or homes to many families through our mortgage financing scheme. Our estates speaks for our hardwork, diligence and integrity. Due to popular demamd as these 120 houses have already been sold out, we are starting phase 3 in the same location. With a minimum equity contribution of N4.5M, you can be a proud owner of this 3 bedrooms all ensuite in a serene and secured environment.
Enugu is moving, join us today!!

Please, where is the estate located in Enugu? How much is the total cost of the 3 bedroom bungalow?

Danladi7:
Yes.


But we thought Igbo will have anything to do with zoo again after all the chestbeat



Only to dey rush hausa fulani man urine




Nnamdi kanu go dey weep inside grave while azikwe who sold you as slaves go dey happy

So all Igbos now are Kanu members?

I thought you daredevil, habitual and shameless liars, said only miscreants belong to kanu? So it is now all Igbos, including the one you deceitful souls labeled "Northern Igbo"

You see una freaking life?

Alcatraz005:
And how am I begging for pity from igbos? The Yorubas are above igbos and have been so for almost 5 decades after the war. So how can I beg for pity from a people who are beneath my tribe in almost facets of life in Nigeria?

You are ahead of them in your dream!!!

You are dusted in every sector...

They only thing you have is the former capital in Lagos, with the seaports and federal built airport...

If you are truly ahead, why don't you want to rule yourself in your own country, just like Igbos want their own country? Why do you depend on others to achieve anything, under one Nigeria?

You are a joke...

Everybody knows this people from this particular region are extremely greedy..

They are the only major tribe that has ruled longer than any other tribe...OBJ got 8 continues years in power. They now also have the post of VP.

The funniest thing is that they accuse the Igbos who have only ruled for 6 months as being greedy.

Why are these people like this?

Would they want to be the president forever? Would that appease them?

God have mercy on these species of humankind...

cyrilomoh:
N: Never
A: Allow
I: Igbo to
R: Rule
A: Again

Mental...

Danladi7:
By betraying Ojujkwu and nnamdi kanu for a sweeter hausa fulani man Atiku urine

...but you are stuck with this massively failed fulani man...

;
All I read so far are responses from shivering, frightful rabbits...so scared of the Igbos...

See what one of them wrote:

Alcatraz005:

I know right but it can never happen. We hate ourselves too much to agree on anything. I fear for my tribe if igbos become VP or President of Nigeria. Your tribe has never hidden her intention to make Yorubas suffer for your loss in the Civil war.

Fear of the Igbos is the beginning of wisdom for the afonjas...

Why would people be afraid of their shadows?

IamPatriotic:
Jonathan had over 2000 supporters groups leading to 2015 and Sambo Dasuki shared money to virtually all of them, either directly or through proxies, and the group couldn't save him, so PMB/PYO don't need the endorsements of any cash and carry group, the group should take their support to moneybag Mazi Atichukw, he has plenty money in his accumulated loots to waste on a venture that will end up in devastating defeat.....

Ogbeni you are pained..

Reading this line will enlighten you, assuming you are new in these things

https://www.nairaland.com/4225125/pdp-looters-funded-buharis-2015

PDP Looters Funded Buhari’s 2015 Campaign– Senators, Reps

..also did you not see Amaechi competiting with Atiku to share dollars for your PMB/PYO?

SillyMods:
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“Many Nigerians who backed Buhari in 2015 have left him. On what basis
will anybody market Buhari for 2019? What are you going to tell Nigerians
to vote Buhari again for? It will be very difficult for Buhari because
Nigerians are wiser and can only tolerate the President till 2019.”

On whether his group’s decision was not based on lack of patronage from
the President, Bamgbose said,” I’m not looking for any appointment from
Buhari. Remember we toured many states with our resources campaigning for
Buhari in 2015; now, we have nothing to go back and show the people. What
we want is a better life for Nigerians and a President who will unite this
country. So far, it is obvious that Buhari has failed Nigerians.”

SillyMods:
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[s]Delluded!

It is deluded...

Ogbeni..go school, you no go!!!

CoolFreeday:
which useless group, we know the real supporterS of PMB. if you think PMB will giving free money like PDP, you're wrong.

God bless Nigeria
GOD bless PMB.

#Baba till 2023

...who are these real supports?

Please state their names?

...however, day dreaming is allowed...

Double wahala for...

Cc

Ngeneukwu
Sarrki
Python
Alariiwo
Danladi

Ahead of the 2019 Presidential polls, a pro Buhari group, the All
Progressive Congress – Vanguard, (APC-V) said it has withdrawn support
for President Muhammadu Buhari’s re-election, accusing him of failing to
deliver on his campaign promises to Nigerians.

The group insisted that it would be difficult for the President to win
re-election in 2019, stressing that that Buhari’s performance in office
has rendered him unfit for re-election, and urged him to give way to
another candidate from the North.

National Coordinator of APC-Vanguard, Mr. Olusegun Bamgbose, who disclosed
that his group toured many cities across the federation campaigning for
the President in 2015, added that they are already assessing presidential
aspirants and would declare support for anyone who has the capability to
unite the nation and make life more meaningful for the populace.

He lamented that Buhari’s administration has been hijacked by a cabal and
could no longer deliver on the campaign promises he made to Nigeria,
stressing that it would be difficult to sell his candidacy in 2019.

“President Muhammadu Buhari has failed Nigeria. Nigerian is now more
divided under Buhari. The President has been treating the issue of the
murderous Fulani herdsmen with kid gloves. The anti graft war is nothing
to write home about. He has failed to perform and should simply go home
and support another northerner in 2019. The APC would lose the presidency
if they field Buhari in 2019. It is the same manner we warned the PDP not
to field Goodluck Jonathan in 2015.

“Many Nigerians who backed Buhari in 2015 have left him. On what basis
will anybody market Buhari for 2019? What are you going to tell Nigerians
to vote Buhari again for? It will be very difficult for Buhari because
Nigerians are wiser and can only tolerate the President till 2019.”

On whether his group’s decision was not based on lack of patronage from
the President, Bamgbose said,” I’m not looking for any appointment from
Buhari. Remember we toured many states with our resources campaigning for
Buhari in 2015; now, we have nothing to go back and show the people. What
we want is a better life for Nigerians and a President who will unite this
country. So far, it is obvious that Buhari has failed Nigerians.”

Read more http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/2019-apc-group-withdraws-support-buhari/