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frosbel: What my children do or do not do is up to them and their relationship with GOD.

One thing is for sure, I teach them about JESUS not Religion. I do not burden them with rules and regulations , tradition or the threats of endless torture.

They know GOD loves them and Jesus came to redeem them from sin and death ( not sin and torture ) , they also know what is good and what it not good , and why it is important to make the right choice. They do not need to attend your crusades to know that, the bible contains all we need for instruction in righteous living.

My family is well balanced now and happy since we quit that bondage called deeperlife.

frosbel: What my children do or do not do is up to them and their relationship with GOD.

One thing is for sure, I teach them about JESUS not Religion. I do not burden them with rules and regulations , tradition or the threats of endless torture.

They know GOD loves them and Jesus came to redeem them from sin and death ( not sin and torture ) , they also know what is good and what it not good , and why it is important to make the right choice. They do not need to attend your crusades to know that, the bible contains all we need for instruction in righteous living.

My family is well balanced now and happy since we quit [size=18pt]that bondage called deeperlife.[/size]

OLAADEGBU: Can now see how my scratching the surface has been able to expose the real reason for your sanctimonious remarks?

(John 17:14)

We would not be discouraged for preaching the gospel because the religious leaders tried to kill Jesus. Paul was also persecuted for preaching the biblical gospel because he was not of the world. This explains why the vultures think that they smell blood and are now gathered here to feast on what they think is showing signs of distress.



A simple google search would tell you that DL is not an denomination. But I wouldn't be surprised if you, like frosbel, wouldn't bother to find out but would gladly jump on the grapevine bandwagon giving a dog a bad name so as to hang it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deeper_Life_Bible_Church



No one is fighting here. All 'am doing is defending the faith which is being eroded by charlatans and I haven't seen how you've made any attempt to stem the tide on this forum.

(Jude 1:3)



If you think by my saying folks are "gbeborun or gbefila" makes me aggressive let me remind your remarks to some folks before:



So, were you in the flesh when you said the above?

OLAADEGBU: It depends on what you've been reading. What house did you say is divided against itself? Is it dare2think that says born again is nonsense, or frosbel that doesn't believe in the same God as majority of Christians on this board? You definitely do not know what you're talking about.



You are wrong with the assumption that DL is a denomination, it is not. I have nothing against any denomination as long as they believe in the Deity of Christ which the likes of frosbel doesn't subscribe to.



That is a question for you to answer. It is on record that at least a soul has been saved in one of my threads and this is to the glory of God. https://www.nairaland.com/1304546/michael-thomas-sambo-divine-revelation-hell/3



My answer to your question is yes.

"For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?" (2 Corinthians 2:15-16).

It is remarkable how the very same testimony can have such dramatically opposite effects on its recipients. You can see how my comments can be received with great joy and understanding by some people and simultaneously, provoke furious hostility in others who are not favourably disposed to the truth. It can also generate utter indifference in others like yourself.



The experience of those sisters are not at the expense of the arguments of the nay and gainsayers[b]. When you see blasphemy being perpetuated here and you say or do nothing to stem the tide that means you are also a partaker of their evil deeds[/b].

joiam: I actually meant Pharisees with attitudes condemned by Jesus' Christ. This should not be an issue please if you can read between the lines.

frosbel: ^^^

Daniel a Pharisee ?

That' a new one !

joiam: Dear Colin,
From your post, you a typical DLer who hardly study the Bible and check things up like the Berean Christians. Imagine, you attended weddings of unbelievers and you refused to take pictures, eat and so on. Why did you go there in the first place? Are you for real? Let's even say they are sinners, didn't Christ eat with sinners without sinning? You couldn't eat at a wedding not take pictures? I still want to assume you are just joking! Let me tell you this, the GS has been teaching against this Pharisee attitude of yours but you people will hardly because you have been wired the unscriptural way. The GS did not betray or disappoint anybody! You have your brain, you have Bible, you can reason, you have eyes, you have Jesus to look up to but you didn't use what God gave you and [size=18pt]you thought you could get to heaven as a Pharisee[/size]. I won't quote any scripture now because I'm not sure you have deleted those traditions from your subconscious. I have a feeling that you don't even visit your parents or siblings because they are unbelievers. I suspect the problem you had then was that even though some of the things did not make sense to you but you were too obedient without thinking and too afraid to 'rebel'. The GS has no fault. The wedding was alright. By your 'standard', it may not be alright but by Bible standard which you have replaced with man's standard, it was ok whether you like it or not. Those people you have offended by your tradition, go and apologise to them. Be humble please. You wrongly saw the GS as a cult leader which he is not. He is distinctively a man og God. I'm sorry but I still think you are just joking!!!

Colin Adua: A bunch of over pampered kids!

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.

The high society wedding, has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.

Deeper life should go and put the church in order, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to me.

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

OLAADEGBU: Are you saying that Evangelist Amure's testimony cannot bring revival to His church?

otumfour: ur fada ur foot kwasia

Originalsly: Where is all this "passion" for business and "follow your heart" coming from? Let's not get it twisted. @OP...If you get a paid job opportunity...grab it..."a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".It doesn't mean that you're locked for life in that job. The money you make here, the job experience you gain, the contacts you make, the reputation you build, the PR skills you develop, management skills..of people and time....all of these would be Of tremendous value to you if you decide to be an entrepreneur. Then again it doesn't have to be either or...you can be in a paid job and start your business at the same time. If your business is not going as well as expected you can call it quits...and would still have a reliable source of income. If the business is doing great then you can always quit the paid job. In the long run I think being an entrepreneur is much better but that choice does not bear fruit overnight...and often never bear much fruit period.I would say the main thing is getting into a business where there is not much competition, a high and constant demand for your product or service and one in which you can continuously provide that service or product at a standard that never falls and that would be building reputation which is so huge to a business. Think Toyota! So I say for now...job first then figure out what is best for you as an entrepreneur. Last words...business is not about heart...about passion...about family nor friends....it is all about dollars and hmmm....sense.

PetroDolla: Bin, is Ghana the only African side left in the competition? I am not surprised at all. Hope they bring back the cup. it will be great to win it for the second time! Long Live Ghana! The true AND AUTHENTIC giant of Africa

CFCfan: When the offenders are banned, they always return with an alternate username.

Eneze1: unconfirmed reports you call it, abeg confirm first and come back