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porrigeyam:
nice 1


I remember when during our sallah we give all our Christian neighbour's food and during Christmas all our Christian neighbours gives us also food.. that's love and it's only done by Yoruba Muslims


so op what did u give him/her during sallah

NB:not saying it is a most just asking ni o.

Bullshit, absolute one..

EternalTruths:
Even if militancy springs up, the judiciary will order the security personnels to perform their constitutional duties.

As for the opposition compromising the judiciary against the Ruling party, this scenerio won't arise because the judiciary can't act outside the constitution. Don't forget it is the legislative arm that makes law and most times in the control of the legislative arm through majority sits

Bro, you are making the Judiciary look like, they're perfect humans, which is not the case.
Since you suggested a non party Election in Judiciary, then we don't have a case of Ruling or opposing party lording over them. That's the case of your view, if it still stands..
Judiciary can act outside the law, just like the way Executive is acting outside the law, in fact, the Judiciary will find it easier, because, they can manipulate the law to their own satisfaction, having the Judicial power..

The Legislative makes the law, the Judiciary interprete the law at their DISCRETION and the Executive enforces such law.

EternalTruths:
The Judiciary won't abuse the power of the gun because the national wealth is under the control of the Executive arm of government.


Remember what makes the Executive arm of government misbehave, is the lust for national wealth/resources especially to make it a personal property.

My friend

Because the management of the national wealth/ resources affects the economy, once the Executive arm of government mismanages it, members of the judiciary will have their personal lives affected negatively.

This will anger them to deal with members of the Executive arm of government once they step down from power and no longer protected by immunity.

Never assume too bro..
Humans can be funny at all times. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, an opposition party can comprised the Judiciary, there by sabotaging the Executive, and that will be a national disaster..

Controlling and managing national resources requires protection, and I think, that's why security apparatus are under Executive. Take the case of Nigeria, without those apparatus under Executive, militants and sort will have sabotaged the economy..

And don't forget, the Judiciary have the responsibility of justice among the populace rather than controlling the security..

EternalTruths:
Never assume

To be on the safe side, put the security apparatuses under the judiciary

Haiti is the first black republic and far richer than France in those days.

Today, Haiti is as underdeveloped as any black Africa republic.

Why.?

Abuse of the constitution/court rulings by various Executive arm of government. Which is a trait common with black people once they control money and power of the gun.

With that power of the gun to protect them, they can mess up their society and get away with it.


My friend

Hand over the gun power to the judiciary so that if the Executive arm of government misbehaves, it won't be able to use gun power to suppress the citizens .

Okay, but did you measure the magnitude of disaster if the judiciary abused such powers?

EternalTruths:
The reason why OBJ could be stopped was because he is from SW and the other regions especially the North wanted power back

If OBJ is a Northerner, he would have had his way.


In Burundi, the President is from a majority region if I am correct. That's why he is able to suppress Tutsi and other minorities.

Since the moderates from the President region is powerless, they just keep quiet for fear of being killed.

But, in the 'new country' at least we expect cordial relationship in the polity, so the lawmakers will find their work much easier..

EternalTruths:
Have you heard of independent candidacy

Contestants without political parties.

Such will be introduced in the judicial system

Yeah I know bro, just like Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont, and current US Presidential aspirant..
But will such exist in young democracy we have here?

EternalTruths:
There is one thing you are yet to comprehend


Western Europeans US Canada and Australians , tend to abide by court rulings because of their cultural orientation


Africans tend to disobey court rulings once they know they have the power to do so


Eg Take Burundi for example

The President has abused the constitution in order to get a 3rd term in office which has lead to civil unrest and genocide.

The reason why the Burundi President can abuse the constitution is because he has the security apparatus behind him


Now if the security apparatus was left in the hands of the judiciary, Burundi won't be in the chaotic state it is today.


Even the case of Nnamdi Kanu where the Judiciary appears helpless won't arise.

You're right, Africans tend to break rule, but still
in the case of Burundi, the legislative failed.. The legislative have the power to impeachment, why won't they impeach the dude/resist his third term attempt (just like OBJ was resisted) and strip him off his control over the armed forces?

EternalTruths:
That's why I said a non party system

My friend

If the Executive is allowed to appoint the Chief Justice, then the judiciary won't truly be the 3rd arm of government but an extension of the Executive

In other words

A puppet of the Executive arm.

Non party system under democracy bro? That's not feasible. And don't forget, the Executive having the executive power can influence the election of the judiciary.. A pillar of democracy is separation of power, so we can just lump the executive duties under judiciary

EternalTruths:
This is why you are wrong on this issue of primary responsibility of security suffering a disadvantage under the judiciary


The constitution states clearly the role of various security units

Therefore once such situations arises, they discharge their constitutional role

So the issue you raised about security not properly implemented won't arise


Eg Imagine you are a police officer, and armed robbers attack a place. Do you need the President to tell you to act before you confront the criminals..?

Imagine an external enemy invades the country, as a military officer, do you need presidential order to fight off the invaders when the constitution states clearly your role to defend the nation against external invasion.

Bro, the Army and the police you used as example requires commander in chief and chairman of the police Council, this is the provide check and balance... So do we expect judges to command the security apparatus? We may as well lump the executive and judiciary together..
Even, in America, issues concerning urgent national security are passed by the president to the security men without the Congress approval

EternalTruths:
Using Nigeria as a case study

Why do you think court orders are disobeyed by the Executive.?

Because the security apparatus is under their control.


Transfer that power to the Judiciary and you will see lots of court orders implemented and not disobeyed.



Now to the issue you raised which I highlighted blue in colour


I said the Chief Justice Of the Federation will be voted by the people based on a non party system after considering their years in law practice and rights activities

I condemned the appointment of the Chief Justice and Judges by the Executive arm because it is a loop hole for appointing puppets


Check my post again

Still bro, if everything becomes politics, the judiciary will not be patriotic, they will be partisan. And the last thing common man needs is partisan judiciary

Mack3N:
He was declared free of all charge and ordered an unconditional release!!

Am not the one that told dss/fed govt not to do their home work well before charging a person to court.
So why was the court order floated?

Bro you still don't understand the FG, they declared him free of charges to stop protest and any form of civil disobedience and violence in the country.. Believe me, they know their onions

EternalTruths:
I am waiting for your response.
Thank you

Thank you bro.. I enjoyed conversating with you!

Mack3N:
Just tell me why the federal govt is not acknowledging thesame due process you preach by floating court orders,is that too much to answer?

For the sake of National unity and security!
The fellow in saner climes will be charged for treason, but the Fed decided to be diplomatic about it..

EternalTruths:
Using Nigeria as a case study

Why do you think court orders are disobeyed by the Executive.?

Because the security apparatus is under their control.


Transfer that power to the Judiciary and you will see lots of court orders implemented and not disobeyed.

Still, that will only work.
What is the primary function of government? I think is to protect the lives and properties of its citizens, right?
So, if that is the case, any short coming of such is to automatically be blamed on the Executive, why because, they go about campaigning such, not judiciary, so you cannot expect the executive to leave it's primary function to another arm.
What we need is strong judiciary that knows their onions and corruption resistant.. That's it!

Mack3N:
You lots like speaking emotionally,you didn't even answer my question yet you people keep spewing that trash about leaving all parts of Nigeria on a daily basis.
Do you know more than the judiciary?
Why is your imaginary one-Nigeria floating court orders?

Why not preach your imaginary one Nigeria to the Oba of Lagos.

Emotional? Hell fvcking no bro. I'm just giving back your answers with respect to your questions.. If you cease to be a Nigerian, then you have no business living in Nigeria. What is expected of you is go to the country you pledged citizen of.
I don't know more than the judiciary, but from the little I know, saying you caese to be Nigerian doesn't render you not Nigerian. Follow due protocol as stated in the Constitution of Federal Republic of Nigeria.
And as the matter of fact, Nigeria exist as imaginary to you, so vacating and declaring your country should be easier..
Now, stop being emotional, I'm not Yoruba. But the utterance of Oba is condemned by me and well meaning Yorubas.

EternalTruths:
That's the problem with black people

Each society modify their democracy to suit their society


Now tell me why Washington gave such powers to the Executive instead of the Judiciary

Remember that Adams Smith and Thomas Jefferson played key roles in the constitution of US if my memory is right

Please remember

Tell me why the Executive instead of the Judiciary and if those reasons are applicable in Africa.

You're black too, so that's our problem..

That's what I was trying to make you understand.. If you're going to adopt democracy in your 'country', is required of you to to rewrite the Constitution from scratch, using the break away County constitution.
The goal of democracy is check and balance, so is going to be counter productive for the judiciary to have arrest warrant, trial and prosecution all under their control., because in the case of compromise and corruption, a country can be detonated, so such such powers should be reserved for those whom the general populace agreed him/her to be there..

Constitution is not one man's business, that's why we have lawmakers..

Given such powers to judiciary in Africa is akin to disaster, how many high profile cases do our judiciary able to convict people of?

Mack3N:
Show where that is a legal procedure while seeking for secession or remain silent.

Tell me where making treasonous comment is not punishable by law..

Mack3N:
Good,now we igbos all over Nigeria,irrespective of region have chosen not to be part of your one-Nigeria anymore.

Respect our opinion!!

I humbly respect your opinion.. Start by leaving all parts of Nigeria, then we'll take you serious..

Mack3N:
Biafra is Igbo,not SE/SS and Igbo is ONE

Nigeria is for Nigerians, not for South or North. One Nigeria

Drafting the Nigerian constitution in your 'new' country is going to be a disaster..
If you must create a sane society, the Constitution need to be rewritten completely. There are reasons why George Washington and his men gave such powers to the executive rather than the judiciary..

I'm indifferent about Baifran brouhaha... But all I know is we are ever ready, just bring it on..

VintageCocktail:
Being from middle belt, I'd think you should be facing the Fulani marauders rather than worrying yourself about the "chest beaters".

I'm from the North East bro... Bring it on!

I'm indifferent, but the way some people are shouting and beating their chest, I can only say, bring it on... Let's see!

HateU2:
Ok





1A.M Is dat okay?

1am? Choi! Well, if you'll take it with me then, if not, ah no dey wo

HateU2:
I insist








Origin



Or u be pastor

I'm not a pastor.. Okay bring it on, Ishewu will be greatly appreciated

HateU2:
No
Origin

Malt please

HateU2:
Hmmmmmm Just thinking about what u deserve

Love and prayers.

Truckpusher:
Correct guy.

Dem wan enslave men ontop one toto.

Yeah my bro Maybe they are jealous of his free life and standard of living, and they want him to join them in their 'struggle of married life'

HateU2:
So, it should be underrated

No, it should be 'Middlerated'

Marriage is overrated bro

TonyeBarcanista:
Well, I think it will be appropriate for you all to make yourself known to the outside world without breaking your northern solidarity just like the Niger Deltans

Thanks, I'm planning on that too. I want to be done with this NYSC first. I'll beef you then for guide and mentorship.. Thanks again

TonyeBarcanista:
Do they fall under the Hausa/fulani group or they are distinct? If the answer is the latter, why aren't we hearing of them save Kanuri?

No, we don't fall under Hausa/Fulani at least in the Northern States .. We are addressed with our tribes..
Yeah, you might not hear about us, but we do exist and play major political role..

Aliyu Saleh Bagare was a former deputy governor, Senator Mamman B Ali was a former governor and now D. Aliyu is the deputy governor.