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Rubbish.

No one can force any religion on this country.

SW is and will forever remain a multireligious state.

kibra4u:
This guy should just shut up, we are not fools. It is glaring how APC got the highest vote, which actually came from the north, especially Kaduna and Kano a lot of under aged almargiris were used or how do you think they got 1.9 million votes, and nobody is saying anything about it. I just hate this so called APC hypocrites with a strong passion especially that so called Lai Mohammed (aka Mr. Big Mouth). They keep complaining and criticising at every slightest oppotunity . I just hope when they eventually get hold of power they will keep to their election promises or else they will all burn.

How come everybody that collected PVC in Rivers voted?

No one was in the hospital, nobody died, none travelled, no apathy towards election from anyone.


How come there was not a single invalid vote in Enugu?

Sweetguy25:
That the president accepted defeat doesn't mean he should not acknowledge the discrepancies surrounding the electoral process.

What are the discrepancies noted in the north, that were not obtainable in SE and SS?

scofieldsimba:
The yorubas on this thread should hide their face in shame. The war was between biafran and the international communities and not just Nigeria. The biafran soldiers fought with bravery and courage against a well fortified army yet they held the war for three years. They had just dane guns and clubs against apc tanks,fighter jets and fn rifles and so on. My friend,the biafran soldiers are the real uncelebrated spartans añd the real heroes of the war.
#saynotowar#

List out the international community and show us the evidence of the International Communities on the soil of Biafra.

We will now chow you the pictures of your mercenaries.

List out the countries. We are waiting. Sore losers.

You were resoundinfly defeated. So be it. Simple. Deal with it.

Who even cares whether the host of heavens fought gainst you? why did you not do your diplomacy homework excellently well before starting what you could not finish? Even NA is at today are still using SA#s mercenaries. There was a coalition of nations against Gadaffi, Saddam, Osama, Alqaeda, ISIS and even BH.

Next time, you will not rely on the likes of your allies again -- France, Israel, US, Vatican, Tanzania, Sweden, Cote 'Ivoire, Equitorial Guinea, gabon etc. They thought you were promising enough and when they realised how shallow you were, they abandoned you to your miserable fate.

Your sissy bearded bandit lord failed War Strategy 101, failed National Diplomacy 101 and also failed International Diplomacy 101. wetin come remain?

Macelliot:
Stress to type...
A long saga....
I have the full Civil War disc at home...
The Nigerian-Biafra war wasn't a Yoruba concerned..
If the war was between Yoruba and Biafra without the Northerners and more than 20 foreign help... The case of the Yorubas would have been a "walk-over." just like how the Normadic Fulanis conquered the ancient City of Ilorin with its' coward King(afonja) and its' lazy people...
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Stressed, I would hv lectured you...
What you wrote does not even relates with what happened...
Obviously, you know nothing about it....

A 10yrs old Igbo boy knows the Saga than you do....

Seems you are lost.

What are we talking about on this thread? Just tell the world.

ECOTERRORS:
go and read your history then we ll talk about it. Let's not debate here like kids, go and read your history books.

I don't have your time.

ECOTERRORS:
the Binis defeated the yorubas and subdue them till Dahomey while the Fulanis *make I keep quiet about kwara*

Binis did wetin? Are you drunk. Have you heard of Oba of Benin. Have you heard of Ile ibinu = Benin.

DahomeyThat one that we ran over. They were a formidable opponents but they were eventually crushed and their king beheaded.

Please tell us about the war that was fought over Ilorin.

This gesture of maturity should be applauded and it is worthy of emulation by all African nations.

ekenedegreat:
How I wish yorubas will fight igbos one on one without the help of anybody let's see the outcome.

You can choose the date, time and venue.

Atlantic Ocean will be your best bet. Not even the lagoon.

You could not even conquer the minorities that surrounds you.The minorities still hijacked your houses and renamed your towns. The best you could do is to be hiding under the wrapper of a minority group again.

i cant shout.

sukkot:
quite frankly i ignored it for so long because i had bigger fish to fry. i dont see any black man as my enemy. my eye was on the white man and his wickedness. so all the lil biafran rants i found amusing initially. but it seems lately after jonadunce lost the election these motherfukaz have amped up the hate. so i gotta regulate that biafran ass lmao. oh yeah bros they know the intelligence is in the sons of oduduwa. i think what they have is an intellectual napoleon complex so they feel they have to shout and brag to be heard and relevant. these muhfukaz wanna secede but they cant even run a decent state, how the heck you expect to run a country ? loquacious and pugnacious biafrans

SirShymexx:
Lol. I don't even think Igboland is rich enough to pay royalties once the Oduduwa warriors conquer them.

Isn't that the same parasitic region that takes more than it contributes to the national purse? That's a very poor region that's of no use. They can have the place for free, we don't need royalties, unless you want all of them to die of hunger.

Have you forgotten they own 121% of lagos, 110% of Abuja, 100% of PH and 90% of Kano?

SirShymexx:
Let's be honest: a war between Yorubas and Igbos would be so one-sided that the whole of Igboland might end getting destroyed the same way the Romans destroyed Carthage. But I noticed Yorubas, throughout history, don't go to the extreme after defeating an opponent in a war. They just defeat them - and leave them running for their lives.

Yorubas have fought so many wars. Unlike Igbos who throughout history only engaged in mgba akpukpa village wrestling in the village square, while wearing wrappers and wooly hat in the sun. Experience is the key here. Igbos are no match, regardless of the noise they pollute cyberspace with. They might win a shouting match with tears and ultimatums - but not a real war that requires experience and cerebral tactical approach.

Yorubas leave a conquered territory once they agree to be paying a stipulated amount as royalty and they also pledge allegiance to the political Headquarter in Oyo and Spiritual Temple in Ile-Ife and the Military Garrison of Ibadan. They will also agree to embrace yoruba culture, tradition and language. With those terms in place and adhered to, that settlements can be rest assured of peace. If attacked by any outsider, it shall be seen as an attack on the whole yorubas. That was the NATO arrangement of then.

Any act of disobedience or reneging on pledges, always lead to obliteration of such settlements and annihilation of its people. The baribas and nupes, some tribes in present day Benin Republic and Togo are classical examples.

RevDesmondJuju:
What is this Niggerian spewing?

Igwe, this is just a tribute now.

You can add yours to it.

SirShymexx:
Yoruba Spartans vs. Biafran Soldiers.

Salute!

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This completes the story.

thanks man mii.

Spartans had 300, we have 129,
Though you were few in number, but you were a battalion at heart,
They came in one way, you scattered them in seven ways,
You turned their nights into day and day into night,
Eclipsing their souls forever, vanquishing their spirits eternally, sending the invaders to the Hades and abyss of no return.

Against all odds, you demonstrated courage and wisdom,
You showed us the power of brain over brawn,
The advantage of wisdom over strength,
The superiority of effective number over numerical strength,
The effect of quick strategic thinking over chest beating.

How can 129 ''Spartans-like soldiers'' wipe out a garrison?
How can 129 ''Spartan-like soldiers'' ensure the capitulation of a whole Division of invaders of our serenity?
How can 129 ''Spartan-like soldiers'' ensure confusion and scampering of a Battalion of bandits and marauders?
Indeed, those that were with the Spartans in their imaginary forms, are more than the invading marauders.

The Defenders of the western region,
The lions of the Ore jungle that consumed every pretender calling himself somebody, when he is nobody,
The Sun that deems all pretending ''rising sun'',
The Oodua machines that recalibrate all malfunctioning compasses,
The Questioners and Thwarters of fake secession dreams.

We celebrate you and we say thank you for defending us and our canaanland, that flows with milk and honey, with your lives.

You are not forgotten our heroes, our own dear 129 ''Spartans''.

pazienza:
Idiagbon's position in the government was never the base of our argument. We face the might of the world for 3years, how can any Biafran be afraid of northerners?


Sorry for that, you were right, Nwosu never declared the result, he was halted by the military, but comparing that scenario with Orubebe whose actions were not even backed by a democratic president and that of Nwosu whose distractors were backed by a military tyrant is dishonesty on your part. The scenarios and dynamics were simply different, and so the analogy is flawed.


Sorry, bro I think you are getting ahead of yourself here. Awo was the one found guilty of treason and corrupt practices by a court of law, and subsequently and rightly jailed like a criminal , don't pour your frustrations on Zik.

Ilorin was already conquered, lost forever, how long would it have been before the rest of your land was outran, or have you forgotten why the capital of Oyo empire had to be shifted southward as Oyo Ile was lost to stronger northern groups like the Nupe.

And we are yet to discuss how a significant number of Yorubas ended up Muslims, there is a story about that.

There is nothing special about building clustered mud houses with no regard for living spaces and ventilation and terming it civilization. Oyo/ ife artworks were never better than those of Nri and Igbo ukwu.

Point of correction again. Awo was never jailed for corrupt practices but for trumped up charges of treason which were the handiwork of Zik and Balewa. God saw ahead of time and kept him in prison to save him from the blood thirst demons of 1966. it was Zik that was hand twisted by the British based on his corruption charges to form govt with Balewa.

Get your fact right. Ilorin was never conquered. It was a town that already had a high population of yoruba Muslim converts, who connived with the Muslim fulanis in their midst to oust Afonja, because they saw him as an idol worshipper. Tell us the war that was fought over Ilorin by the fulanis. Just one. That is why the Emirship goes down well with all of them in Ilorin because they see as a religious throne and not political throne. Mind you, Islam was introduced into Ilorin by the great Shongai Empire that has its capital in Gao in the 16th century. That is why there are some Arabic words already entrenched in Yoruba language, before the arrivals of the fulanis.

The fight with fulanis was never about religion to us, was more of culture and states fighting against each other. If Ibadan warriors were hell bent on taking over Ilorin, they would have. They left Ilorin because the yorubas there have already embraces Islam as their way of life and they respected their wishes. As far flung as Jebba is, is there no Oba there. As far flung as Ajaokuta is, is there no Oba there. That shows we left Ilorin alone because of kiths and kindred that said they are OK with their new found faith.

There is something special about building mud houses that are still standing till today. It shows our forefathers did not wait for the British before developing a building technology, that is enduring. Say that of the Igbos and let me give you backhand.

pazienza:
If Ndiigbo were made villains by the actions of military men of Igbo stock, then it's only fair that all the actions of other military rulers be used to judge their people, Nzeogwu was carrying out an Igbo agenda, therefore Idiagbon must be carrying out a Yoruba agenda and his actions/ inactions represents that of Yorubas.

Humphrey Nwosu stood against a military might, and still declared a Yoruba man a victor, he risked his life to do that, while your weeping General Was crying before the military might. Jega was up against a civilian regime, your analogy is flawed.


We know the circumstances that led to Zik alliance with the North, blame your Awo for that.

As an Igbo, emotionally I feel sad that Awo aligned with the North in 1967, but the strategic me, would have thought him, a fool, if he did otherwise. His decision was the best for Yorubaland, too bad that what's best for Yorubaland would always be bad for Igboland and vice versa.


Fulani was on the way to conquering Yorubaland, you lots have the British to thank for stopping that.With huge Muslim population in Yorubaland, the conquest would have been done and dusted in a day.

Igbo forefathers were not war mongers, they were not coverteous that they will seek to conquer other people and they lands they lived in relative Peace and harmony with their non Igbo neighbors, little wonder the East is full of many small ethnic groups, the Igbos never believed in conquest and assimiliation, they had conflicts, but on a minor level. The Igbo man principle is "bili kam bili"( live and let's live). If that be taken for weakness, then so be it.

Idiagbon was the CGS and not the HOS. Put any blame on Buhari. Are you afraid of facing the northerners or what?

Revisionist, show us where Humphrey Nwosu ever declared Abiola the winner, the way Jega declared GEJ the winner in 2011 and GMB in 2015.

Another revisionism. A man must be responsible for his action. He went into alliance with northerners and sold southerners to them. End of story. We know the reason why he did that. The British threatened him with jail term for his corrupt practises if he does not form government with the north. As a coward that he is, he back pedalled. He should have damn the consequences and formed government with Awo. All your other lies are just for Zik to save his face and deflect attention away from his corruption charges, that the British had against him.

The British did wetin? The liberalism of yorubas allows you to.embrace and worship whatever like you. But, you dare not enforce your believe on others, be it stone or wood. If people convert willingly, there is no crime in that. We did not see our war against the fulanis as religious, we saw it as a threat to a yoruba nation and statehood and we fought back accordingly. People that later converted did by their own conviction and involution. The same goes for christianity. That is why the 2 religions can co-habit even with traditionalist with minimal tension. We do not have any British to thank for anything.

Rather, you should thank the British and be paying royalties to them for the next millennium, for stopping you from dancing round a pot of boiling human being, for showing you how to build enduring houses, for bringing you down from tree tops and for teaching you how to build towns.

All great empires all over the world from the Saxons, to the Egyptians Greeks, Mongols, Romans, Hun Chinese, etc are expansionist and imperialistic in nature. Telling us your forefathers are not war mongers clearly showed the state of their evolution at that point in time and the military laziness, mental primitiveness and their lack of ambition and vision.

Without any apology to anybody, I am.proud of being a descendant of an empire building, military ruthless, all conquering, spiritually aware, physically endowed, imperialistic great yoruba culture and tradition.

Was never defeated and can never be defeated.

revolt:
oga face it, the neutrsal region hapnd to be the capital of nigeria and where the onslaught was planned from,, and yes there were sizeable supporters of the revolt against the northern onslaught in the west. If u don't know read up the cocoa farmers uprisings etc

You are talking of Agbekoya war
See this one. Read up and know the true cause of the war and not your tales by moonlight story.

You made a mistake by attacking neutral regions, which clearly showed how low the strategy acumen of your 33year old bearded bandit leader was. If he was really keen on attacking only Marina, he could have gone through the sea.

pazienza:
There was never a time the British left the Nigerian people to decide on disintegration of their Zoo( Nigeria), there was never a secession clause. That matter had long been trashed on Nairaland here.


Zik was a man who understood the " Yoruba problem", and dealt with it, his alliance with the North and Awo's treachery that led to it, had also been trashed on Nairaland many times.

Have you forgotten that it was an Igbo man, Humphrey Nwosu that was the NEC chairman that declared Abiola the winner of the election, even when it was rumoured that Abiola had boasted that he didnt need Ndiigbo to win the election.


Have you forgotten that Idiagbon a Yoruba man was the Vp to the then tyrant Buhari, have you forgotten that Awo also became a house boy to another Northern tyrant Gowon with the support of the whole Yoruba nation. Have you forgotten that even as we speak, the Yorubas have helped another Northern tyrant into power, and a Yoruba man remain his VP.


The Fulani match to capture the rest of Yorubaland was only stopped by the British, you have them to thank, you were never a match to your Northern masters! With you lots having your kiriji wrestling matches amongst yourselves, the Northern( Fulani) match to Lagos Atlantic ocean would have been smooth and with No resistance.

Nigerians wrote the constitution of 1956 and if they all resolve to include it, they could have. At least, they all spoke in one voice concerning independence, why not in favour of secession.

We are talking of politicians you are talking of military rulers. In the military anybody can be anybody's deputy. In politics you will choose your running mate. Your Idiagbon angle is null and void.

Jega just demonstrated what Humphrey Nwosu was lacking. The stealth and nerve to dare all consequences. The same Nwosu never finished announcing the result just because Halilu Akilu harassed him the same way Orubebe harassed Jega. Another act of cowardice from an Igboman.

Zik could align with the North in 1960, so what stopped Awo from aligning with same in 1967? At least Zik started it and Awo played Igbos in their own game. Do me I do you, God no go vex? Simple.

See this revisionist.
Read about the Jalumi war and how the fulanis were dealt eternal blow. The Oluyole warriors routed them. Read up on the battle of Ognomosho and the resounding beating they got.
The only place they ever had a good hold on was Ilorin and that was because there was already a large population of muslims in Ilorin, which they connived with to oust Afonja, who they saw as an idol worshipper.

That was even a connivance of the yorubas and the fulanis that were muslim.

Tell us one single war ever fought by your forefathers. Tell us one single land ever conquered by your forefathers. Cowardice is passed down through the gene.

No wonder the children and women were dying and the men were running in mini skirts to Abidjan, the women and children were looking like walking corpse and the men were looking robust and well fed.

revolt:
I knw u may nt be grounded in art of war but going northwards wd mean fighting a war of attrition. Attacking the capital on the other hand wd put nigeria on defensive, capturng the capital (lagos) would mean liberating their allies in the west and thus building up a stronger opposition against the northern onslaught. It wasn't viewed on tribalistic axioms and premises as u ppl only see... And it wud shock u there were large supporters of the move ie ppl tht were tired of the northern domination of lagos and the west etc.

Allies bawo? E gba mi o. We have never been allies and we can never be. Our only allies East of the Niger are the Midwestern people of Edo and Delta.

Looking at your strategy in retrospect, is it not obvious that it was a failure. the other strategy would have drawn away the army from your land, to defend their towns, thereby taking the war to them.

You would have built a buffer for your land that could have been used to negotiate, if you were able to hold your conquered territories for a while.

You attacked neutral regions, uninvited and without even asking them for safe passage, creating enmity and suspicion.

revolt:
nigeria attacked biafra, and thus drew first blood. Biafra was defending all thru the war. Stop spreading calumny. Only reason they headed to lagos was cos tht was the enemies capital.

Will it not have been better if they had headed northwards, towards Kaduna?

That would have made the war to still be a Northern and SE affairs. With that, the North will not have a choice than pull out some of their men to defend their land.

But alas, your fixation on Lagos since 1940 made the clueless Ojukwu to see Lagos as Kaduna, ordering the attack of neutral Mid-Western and Western Regions.

Of course, we recalibrated his malfunctioning compass for him with just that golden.number of 129.

pazienza:
The Yoruba Problem


1. The Yorubas were never going to support Biafra in the war against the North, as doing that will lead to Yorubaland being the battle ground between the North and the East, with loss of property and lives in Yorubaland, while the East and North and their people remain in peace.

2. Yorubas still have a huge part of their territory and people trapped in the geographical North( Kwara and Kogi), through the Kogi, Kwara and Islam( about half of Yorubas are Muslims) Yorubas will always have a strong sense of connection to the North and sympathy to their causes, don't let anyone deceive you.

3. Yorubas stood to gain nothing if the East left the federation, as they were much interested in partaking in the newly discovered oil wealth of the East. And if the East left, the Yorubas would become a minority to the North and slaves to a new country containing them and the North, the Yorubas needed the East in Nigeria to help balance out the North and give them( Yorubas) a little freedom.
If they had declared Odua republic, they would be easily invaded and outran by the North, who would need the sea access the North offered, they are too close, geographically to the Arewa north.



This was the Yoruba problem in 1967, and remains a Yoruba problem today. Yorubas can never be neutrals in any conflict between the East and North. They will be stupid to be neutral or support the East, there is simply nothing for them to gain from such.

Yorubas will always be natural political enemies of Ndiigbo, it's no fault of theirs, it's the only war they can go, if they are not to incure losses as a people.

Another make me feel good conjectures.

Yorubas that are in Kwara and Kogi are there because of the artificial state creation. The same way you keep claiming there are people of Igbo descents in virtually all SS states. There is nothing you can do about it. Culturally they might be Igbo, if they accept, but politically they are in SS. Likewise the igbos in benue, they are not in SE, they are in NC.

Culturally they are Yorubas and based on.political division, they are in NC. The same with all other large ethnic groups in the country.

1. Have you forgotten that igbos connived with the hausas for secession clause not to be included in the constitution

2. Have you forgotten that Zik licked the northern blocos once again to.form .government with Balewa.

3. Have you forgotten that Arthur Nzeribe called for the annulment of June 12, which was implemented by IBB.

4. Have you forgotten that Daniel Kanu was busy jumping around the country organising 5million man match for Abacha with Youth Earnestly Asked for Abacha Campaign

Igbos have been caressing the northern a55 from time immemorial and you are known to.be inconsequential in the scheme of things.

No ethnic grouped has dealt blows to the north in this country than.the Yorubas. No wonder the Emir of Kano had to cry out that -- Yorubas are the only stumbling block to them from ruling this country as their father's estate.

tonychristopher:
Why won't Yoruba take a stand always leaning on others

Look at awolowo saying if igbo go. They go

Igbo left for 3yrs
Yoruba did not declare

Till today

Bunch of ingrates cowards

The same Awolowo moved the motion for inclusion of secession clause in the constitution, Igbos were the ones that rejected it.

That is foresight, which is a luxury in some people's lexicon.

Bunch of greedy slaves.

Bravery and wisdom were demonstrated when we sent the Evil Genius back to Minna. They were demonstrated when we confronted the dark-goggled devil's incarnate Abacha, sent him back to the world beyond and never allowing him to realise his dream -- all with minimal casualty.

That is bravery. That is wisdom. That is leadership.

All that are scarce commodities in people that run away leaving their women and children behind; people that fought T72 tanks with cassava stick and people that their leaders were never at the war front, ate all their foods and still had the audacity to run away.

Remarkable:
Don't spoil the party for them! its entertaining seeing them gloat and saying that yorubas are Spartans and conquered 50,000 biafrans... tales, tall tales and boasting to high heavens of their greatness! (Inside them though, they know how the rest of Nigerians view them... so allow them to have a lil fun lol)

That was a misinformation.

The correct information is 129 Spartan-like routed a battalion of the marauding Biafra Bandits and scuttled their eternal dream.

sukkot:
regarding the bolded, So we both accept that ojukwu was as clueless as GEJ ? buahahahah ike eba aka agbari ojukwu the clueless one

Gbam.

How will he not be clueless? He never led any war expedition. Not even one. Just one. As in ONE battle. None.

Ponponkon:
Our men were busy fighting the USA,France,German and Egyptian. Troopes that fought on the side of Nigeria thinking that your god Adekunle would have been noble enough to come to the war front but he chosed to kill infants anyway

Show us pictures of those mentioned countries soldiers fighting on Nigerian soil. I am waiting.

Even if they fought, who bloody cares, they were paid, just like the French Israeli, Gabon Tanzania, Cote 'Ivoire, Equatorial Guinea, Sweden, Vatican etc also sent their soldiers to you too. Shikena.

The bottom line is -- it is either your women and children that were fighting the war OR your men are grossly irresponsible, that are only good for your hamlet square bare chest wrestling contest over Ngozi and Ada.

How can the men leave the women and children defenceless and they were running away? How can only the men be looking well fed during the war and the women and children were looking like walking corpse? Na wa o.

No story.

Ponponkon:
Your Black spider killed only infants and women during the war and thus,cannot be seen as a brave man. Murtal Mohamed supervised the killing of underaged boys in Asaba,yet,he rose to rank of a General and even ruled the country. Factor that, you will see that your logic of killer machines of Yoruba origin hold no water

Where were your men who he was killing infants and women?

Which responsible man leaves his infant and woman behind and will take off inside the bush?

Sheer case of cowardice at its best.

Just ask them to tell you any part of the war expedition that was led by Ojukwu.

NONE. Not a single one. The guy never got to war front for once. When the war front came to him, of course he had to Usain Bolt.

They kept saying Nigerian Army was only killing women and children, ask them where we're their men? Either hiding in the bush or on top of a tree or on their way to Abidjan too.


Ask them to show you the pictures of cachexic Ojukwu, Chinua Achebe, their bandits members (calling them army is a disgrace to any army in the world)etc or any of their families, during the war?

NONE. Not a single pix. Maybe the oldman Duru aka Deridegull and Dede1 will have such in his war memorabilia or archives. Alas, they were getting fatter and cheeky and their miserable populace, that they were purportedly fighting for where looking like walking corpse.

What a leadership!!!!!! No wonder the bandits leader had to run away in mini skirt, spaghetti strap and stilleto shoes.

ekenedegreat:
Stop ranting!! the soldiers mentioned were not yorubas rather, they were hausas. Yorubas cannot and will never fight a war due to their cowardice.

See chest beater.

The bottom line is 129 soldiers, led by a yorubaman defeated the marauding Biafra bandits and ended their eternal dream

Their lies of NA killing only men and women make them look more stup1d?

Where were the men when the women and children were being killed? Probably off to Abidjan or Cameroon too, like their sissy bandit war lord?

Or

Was it the women and children that were fighting the war, while their cowardly men were busy hiding?

SirShymexx:
The Yoruba Spartan Colonel Oyinlade Iluyomade vs. Biafran soldiers!

Yoruba warrior!

https://i.imgur.com/Aq4g6K0.gif

How do you expect hamlet square warriors, fighting over Ngozi or Ada, to have a Spartan-like attitude, skill, strategy, wit and mentality.

That is why they could be facing T72 tanks with cassava sticks.