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pazienza: That's the question you should be asking your fellow tiger faced people fleeing their poverty stricken enclaves in Oyo,Ondo,Osun,Ekiti,Ogun, for a FG built enclave,Lagos?


The constitution tells me that every Nigerian can reside in any part of Nigeria, while still retaining his franchise in his place of residence.

Very funny. Why did FG not build any where in your gully eroded and rebellious land? Are the states in the land of the nyanmiri flat.heads not collecting monthly allocation from FG.

You remain the conquered slave of Nigeria without any stake any where. Stay inside your gully erosion, that is where your stake is.

The constitution gives you the right to stay anywhere you like, even sambisa forest, but it does not give you the right to lay claim to anywhere outside your gully caves. Copy that.

pazienza: There is nowhere in Nigeria known as Odualand, what we have are states.Only states are recognized by the constitution.

A Nigerian can live in any Nigerian state, irrespective of what a person from a backward state thinks.

So, like you were asked before, why did you leave your poverty stricken Osun state, for Lagos,an FG built state, aka a no man's land?

Who is disputing the constitution? Did the constitution tells you there is a place called no man's land in Nigeria, o generation of covetous ethnicity?

Does the constitution tells you L, you have a stake in your state of residence, Cain descendant?

ketoprofen: States are artificial creation, the people remain Nigerians.
Y is ur sorry ass not in ekiti,is it not yorubaland

I can choose to live anywhere on oduduwa's land, in as much as I'm not pressing for a stake in Arewa and Alaigbos' land.

ChrisOD: In Nigeria people are officially identified by their state of origin not geopolitical zone of origin. Why did you migrate from your state to another state?

State is artificial division, the people, the race, the thnicity remains yorubas -- from ore to saki, igbomina to lagos -- we are all oduduwa descendants.

As much as i do not have a stake in sambisa forest or red mud, likewise none has a stake in ours.

EasternLeopard: Ok

If you are Osun state governor

Which people will be of more benefit to you

Wealthy Osuns or Middle Class Osuns

A governor is a person, and he will prefer wealthy people because they will bring investment. However, the governor still needs the middle class to assist the wealthy man to create wealth.

Government as an institution will go for middle class and not wealthy.

Classical example is America during the recession. are there not enough rich men in america to stimulate the economy with their money. Why was the government bailing out companies -- they were actually bailing out their middle class and not the rich. Wipe away the middle class from the economy and the economy will be comatose.

TamzyTamudo: you ofenmanus have little or no best brains,a large chunk of them can't compete,nigga they can't stand the heat of the igbos,once they feel or smell us coming they tremble. U guys are broke ass,I am always feeling sorry for them here in lagos,smh!!! E fit be say u self neva see food chop,u dey here dey abuse people weh pass u.

See this mungo park?

The same y1bos that usain bolted during june 12. Mscheeeeeeeeeeew.

No wonder they are called chest beaters, always acting before thinking.

TamzyTamudo: shut up young man,this is what you people are good at,stop defending the utter failure of a people and state,u talked about emigration as if your region is not part of our country,won't blame you sha,will only blame Zik for all this insults from u ingrates of a people,if we are not in the same country with you yorubas and every other ethnic group that hates us,u guys will see us as foreign investors which will bring huge uncalled respect for us just as nigeria as a country presently value the us,china etc,Keep wondering if the lord cursed igbos to develop Nigeria before leaving or he cursed us to be progressives anywhere we are don't just know the actual thing to believe. saying this because of the insults we get despite our giant strides to move the nation forward yet all they do is to plot our demise and rain abuses on the living ones. My simple advice to nigerians especially the ofenmanus is to value what they have now before they lose it.

Another Cain descendants exhibiting the curse God almighty placed in his life.

Ndo for you.

If your brain is too shallow to understand and contribute meaningfully to what human beings are discussing, just shut your putrid buccal cavity and let your pentium b1 brain keep grasping with what people that are privileged to attend to good schools are saying, rather than ariara market tutored education of yours. Eranko lasanlasan, nyanmiri omo y1bo.

EasternLeopard: Yes you are right

Be truthful

If God tells you to choose btw being a wealth man or a middle class. Which financial status do you think will favour Osun state more.?

Of course, i will choose the wealthy man. However, a government will choose the bulk of its citizens being middle class than wealthy.

We started this discussion from govt perspective and not individual.

ChrisOD: Why do you live in Lagos and not Osun? Are you a poor Yoruba migrant?

When did Lagos become part of the land bestowed on the descendants of Cain the wanderer?

eaglechild: Your sudden outburst of "curses" suggest otherwise.

I was simply trying to point out facts.

In any case, it's alright for you to let out the steam.


Like I said, you cannot really offer what you do not have.
The abundance of skilled manpower and expertise in the SE, makes it difficult for someone from Adoekiti or Oshogbo for instance to fit in.

I mean apart from the aforementioned ( traditional medicine, taxi driving perhaps tailoring), they cannot compete.
There is nothing wrong with driving a taxi or selling medicine(unless it kills) because it is an honest way to make a living much better than taking to crime.

Most Igbo in the SW are in Lagos, a city which also attracts just as much immigrants from Oshogbo, Ekiti, On do etc, therefore, I see no big deal.

Laughing in Efik and Lagos is the Atlantic portion of alaigbo?

Where is the technical expertise and skills that is not showing in your land and not stopping the daily movement of able bodied men in Young shall Grow to our region?

I repeat, our best brains remain our soil, while your best are in divine assignment --- assisting to build our economy.

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thwarrior72: Lovely & insightful discussion, but I will implore u guys to stop responding to superstar, if u don't want the thread derailed. U don't argue with someone who's innately ignorant, a local champion who for once have not travel beyond Usun boundary.

Most of them who has not travel beyond southwest believe that with high number of igbos in their region that southeast is deserted & emty, meanwhile ignorant of the fact that southeast is the most densely populated region in Nigeria.

To be ignored.

I stay on Admiralty way, Lekki. I am proudly OSun and will never claim Lagos for anything, like some people from the gully erosion.

If you are opportuned to trannsverse the number of states and countries i have been to, then you are blessed. I return back all the glory to God and not to despise miserable and hapless poverty stricken lives like yours.

EasternLeopard: The middle class can not eat those bags of rice if they don't earn money to buy them.

Question

Do the rich they work for pays them TRUE or FALSE.?

It is true that the rich pays them ans i explained that with the rice. How many bags of rice can the rich buy iin a day?

Compare that with the collective buying of the middle class.

The rich pays the middle class for the owrk being done, and they distribute the money within the economy and also create more wealth for the rich and govt by paying taxes too.

eaglechild: You don't have to get angry at the truth.

All SE towns are home to many traditional medicine practitioners from the SW.

I even forgot to mention, PH taxi driving business is almost monopolised by the SW.

No need to get offended about people making an honest living(apart from perhaps the patent agbo sellers).

Get offended over issues such as this. Funny you, are you a learner on NL.

The fact remains, the pure water sellers, gala sellers in traffic, etc remain SEasterners. I will also reiterate, our best brains remain our land, while the dregs on the lowest part of our societal ladder, will be found in your land. Your best brains are under going tutelage on our land. Copy that.

ketoprofen: u don't even have shops. u beg.

n Easterners have far more middle class than u.
osun has more low class.
u have not said the tangible ventures that are in osun that makes u think its more productive than anambra

how has your shops stopped your able bodied men from boarding ekene dilichukwu bus to our region, to continue in their ''divine assignment'' to keep serving us to build our region.

EasternLeopard: Can wealth go round if it is not created

Ok

Why do we seek for foreign investors(business men) to help develop our economy.

I quite agree with your submission that wealth cannot go round without being created.

however, it is the middle class that distributes the wealth. Has rich has dangote is, he cannot eat a bag of rice in a day, but his employees that are the middle class can collectively, thereby transferring wealth to that rice seller. this will increase the rice seller's turnover and more gains for the farmers/importers, depending on where the seller is sourcing from. That is the real economy.

Foreign investors bring in more money into your economy to create wealth through production or services. These will make them to employ more people, that will eventually still distribute the wealth, as explained above.

This is the reason why countries with low literacy level suffer, because expatriates taht will be causing capital flight will be employed instead of the citizens of those countries.

ChrisOD: All these Yoruba blatant liars here, where is the Osun versus SE GDP data? You think you can come here, make any claim and go unchallenged?

Oga, it is a known fact that we have thrashed on NL, severally.

Google is your friend, my father did not sent me to school, to be assisting omo y1bo, with their under the mango tree education, to do their homework for them.

EasternLeopard: May I ask you

How many jobs have the middle class created or provided for their children.?

Dangote pays more tax which is a major component of IGR than 10 000 middle class people TRUE or FALSE.?

The refinery dangote plans to site in ondo state, will generate more in taxes than the tax paid by 10 000 middle class people TRUE or FALSE.?

Check the value of PAYE in comparison to total tax and you will know what i am talking about.

The middle class makes money to circulate within the economy and not the rich. The rich creates the wealth.

DO not look at the absolute figure Dangote is paying in taxes. Look at it in comparison with revenue and look at the taxes of the ordibnary people paying taxes in comparison with their revenue too. you will realise Dangote is enjoying a lot of waivers and tax holidays, that is making to pay lesser tax, thereby enriching him more.

ketoprofen: our spreading of biz tentacles is our business not yours.
Keep to ur lane.

Keep to your 2by2 inches shop businesses and let others concentrate on theirs.

ChrisOD: Dude, igbos migrate not just due to poverty but due to an innate desire to do so. Many rich Igbos migrate.

This topic was sane and we were all learning, before the klepto-whatever started his stup1d argument. If he wants to derail the thread, i will assist him to the fullest. he knows it.

Back to your post, if it is innate desire and characteristic of igbos to migrate, fine but basing argument on others not coming to the land that does not have anything to offer, is a sign of not being competitive is comical and shows how shallow such a thought is.

eaglechild: They do not have the requisite skills to compete and thus do not have much to offer.

Those who do, definitely migrate eg traditional medicine practitioners(thriving), tailors(endangered and thinning) etc.

So it is the 100 metre dash gala selling people, that have the requisite skills. i am laughing in kamikaze. The Yazidis have the requisite skills that is why they are emigrating to Kurdistan?

Bros, your land is cursed and does not have anything to offer, that is why you are emigrating to that land of prosperity, Shikena. Your best brains are in our land and our worst are in yours. Dont you understand? This is simple logic.

ketoprofen: it was PDP that exposes the opon imo scam and not gullible osun ppl like u.
Gully erosion is a natural phenomenon but poverty isn't.
Bad roads in osun aren't.
At least, let's say eastern govs didn't work cos they didn't borrow, what did osun do with her huge debts? No tangible thing .
GDP indeed

You are as clueless as your post. Are the PDP guys from the moon or are they not the same osun people? or what is this mengistu from torah borah mountain saying? The thread is not about PDP vs APC - i dont do party arguments, so waka with your PDP jargons.

I repeat, how has the poverty in Osun resulted in their emigration into your gully eroded land. That means their land is better and more prosperous than your eroded red mud, that is why theyr refuse to move into the pit you are calling a region. People migrate to where there is prosperity.

Stem the wave of emigration that is a scourge in your region and stop this human desertification you are witnessing.

ketoprofen: yes, I have seen osun people in anambra but this is not the case here.
Ur case is that u thing the govt doesn't embezzle borrowed funds or igr, I like ur faith. 8.4b naira down the drain and u are here making noise

I never told you politicians do not embezzle borrow funds, i told you in a simple layman's english that, it brings about accountability because the citizens will be more interested in what the govt is doing with their money.

8.4bn is the wahala of osun state people and not that of people from the land of red mud.

EasternLeopard: Do you know why US Europe Japan Korea etc are doing fine.? Their dangotes Ibetos Ibrus etc

Pls watch the men who built america with your phones youtube


As for infrastructural development, I still believe community development groups will play vital role in quickly and cheaply achieving that.

You are wrong.

Those countries are doing well because of their strong middle class and not because of the few rich people. Why is Chinese economy the fastest growing in the world --- the strong middle class and why is Afghanistan a poor country -- their non-existent middle class.

Wipe off the middle class and you will have a country going no where and let the middle class thrive, that is the engine room of any country's propserity.

The middle class is created by govt providing policies and infrastructures, taht willl bring more investors and more employment and more IGR to govt. All those Ibrus, dangotes etc always have waivers on taxes from government. they pay virtually next to nothing or a very minute amount, in comparion with their revenue.

ketoprofen: Are there better roads in Osogbo than Enugu n owerri with lower debt profile?
y are u doing this to your self?
Are there better schools in osun than any state in the east?
Osogbo doesn't have drainages in most roads. And many roads are very bad .
Abeg....

Justify the opon imo rubbish too

See this mengistu for the 2nd time.

Osogbo does not have drainage but its devoid of gully erosion. It does not have better road than enugu and owerri, but that has not stopped your able bodied men from migrating from your desolate gully ersoion of red mud land to the same osogbo.

The topic is not about opon imo. Open another thread on that and i will meet you there. The power of the people to question government was demonstrated to aregbe on the opon imo.

ketoprofen: The kyn beautiful landscape is not in osun.
From osogbo to Iwo.
The clean parts of Aba are like London to osogbo, let him keep linking indebtedness to devt, that's y I said we shdnt give in to the ideology of the swners here in this issue.

Have you seen people from Osogbo and iwo migrating to your region because they do not have a beautiful landscape? Think through that and give the world an answer.

I repeat, you are being penny wise and pound foolish.

EasternLeopard: What is development.?

How many osun people have escaped poverty and can access basic things of life.?

My friend

Development is all about people's wellbeing and not beautification of city landscape


The fastest development is achieved through people aided by their government

Pls watch this documentary

THE MEN WHO BUILT AMERICA

Also find out the asia men who built the first car ship train etc industries in asia and find out the impact they make

If I am to advise we Igbos, I will tell the govt to find means to encourage the creation, development and contributions of SE Rockefellars JP Morgan Dangotes Ibetos etc

How can you differentiate people's well being from infrastructure eg landscaping, city beautification road, electricity, water etc

Will you rather have a state with infrastructure and middle class, than have one without infrastructure and supposedly rich people?

ketoprofen: and the governor used 8.4 b naira to import cheap notebooks with poor curriculum that reached UNESCO, before it was withdrawn and packaged the change .
U see y we shd be more concerned with what they do with the funds, not just figures.
Osun indigenes didn't get richer either, multiple taxation was introduced.
Abeg .....

See you, they did not get richer but they have better roads, schools, health services and infrastructure -- that translates to better quality of life and life expectancy.

Riches is not in Naira and Kobo alone. Get that straight.

EasternLeopard: Let's be frank

When govt waste money and we complain, what happens next.?

You vote them out by next election. That is the civil way to deal with politicians and by the time the judiciary is stronger and immunity clause is removed, the citizens will start taking them to court.

ketoprofen: leave that dude, let him keep talking.
he is from osun and I have not seen any remarkable thing in that state both private n public , yet, its GDP is bigger than anambra.
With enough debt profile that will wake up a dead man.
I told u that those figures have lapses.

When the stats favours you, it is the correct stat, and when it favours others, it must be incorrect.

The usual myopic view of the people from the East of the Niger.

I am from Osun and the stat currently says their GDP is better than.the whole of SE. Deal.with it.

ketoprofen: And u think what happens in USA occurs in Oyo state? hahahahahahaha
loots loots loots.
They loot allocations n borrow much for a cheap project.
Imagine osun with GDP got 8.4b naira and spent it on substandard tablets that have been withdrawn from schools, is that what u r talking abt? Mtchew.
U invest borrowed funds on revenue generating projects not for looting.

We are talking reality here and not the usual tribalistic partisan talk.

If you want to travel that lane, I will gladly oblige you. Trust me.

However, Osun borrowing has greatly improved the state and even mover their IGR from a paltry 300mm to over a billion monthly.

I introduced the debt profile of US and Europe, for you to see the synergy between indebtedness and development.

ChrisOD: Permit me to digress, but in Nigeria, IGR and GDP don't mean much because half of the money is stolen by politicians. It's just on paper.

It does. It shows the buffer zone and shock ability of each state. If FGN removes allocations today, due to the oil wells drying up, your IGR will show whether you will thrive, survive, barely make ends meet or out rightly turn to detroit --- bankruptcy.

Allocation makes stealing easier for politicians. With IGR, the citizens are more concerned about how government/politicians are spending the money, because it is the sweat of the people. With asking of questions by the electorate, the system will induce better think tanks as politicians, sustainable accountability and progressive development.