₦airaland Forum

I care less about PDP and APC.

Was the election massively rigged in Rivers State? Yes it was, Even the blind could see it.

This is justice for fair play.

IlekeHD:
How can we claim that a group is not Yoruba when Ekiti /Ondo is quite different from Oyo?

And who made Oyo the language and the rest dialects?

I see itsekiri as another Yoruba dialect.

It came to be because Oyo was the administrative HQ for a long time. Ibadan was a military HQ while Ile Ife was the spiritual HQ.

Oyo dialect ended up being the lingua franca because of the role Oyo was playig then. It was the FCT of that time.

laudate:
Bros, na God I take beg you, Igalas do NOT have links with the Igbo. Please do not believe all the stories you read on Nairaland, from those chaps across the Niger.



Cous-kini?? I beg, I reject that thought on behalf of the Igala, even though they have not sent me on this errand. Please do not believe all the hypothesis on Eri/Nri as the blood tie between Igbo and Igala. Thank you.

yeeeeeeee mo gbe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have been duped. I accepted the story hook line and sinker, I also read it up and that was what i read. i need to read up more niyen sha.

Funjosh:
Wrong.


Igala people culture and language more closely to Yoruba.

Come and eat in Igala = wa ba mi jeun

Vigilante = Olode

And some other stuff like that.

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am shocked.

I thought there is always this story of Nri and Eri and the link with the Igbos. I have always felt they are Igbo's cousin, the same way Itshekiris and Binis are ours.

ProfShymex:
Brev, did you see that thread in the culture section where Yorubas were representing their part of Yorubaland - and shockingly the overwhelming majority of folks there were Yorubas from Kogi?

That's some funny thread and I like those Yorubas from Kogi - they adore their Yoruba roots despite not being part of the SW.

I hardly visit other sections, apart from Politics. There are too many shallow brains and air-headed fellas in other sections.

For ths category of yorubas, that have shown enthusiasm in aligning with their root, it is our duty to protect them. It is let to Ilorin people to do same and the Akoko Edos. The olukumi have always lay claim to their yoruba heritage. Likewise Itshekiris. Though we prefer to recognise the itshekiris as a different ethnicity because of the distance.

IlekeHD:
I like mean women

Eventually her slaves killed her.

No, she was killed by the Ibadan warriors.

She killed a slave girl for getting pregnant. She accused another slave of impregnating her, whereas it was her younger brother that is responsible and the younger brother actually lay claim to the pregnancy. All pleas fell on her deaf ears, She instructed the lady to be beheaded, but the slave by an dthe younger brother connived and made the lady to escape. She killed them all and still executed the lady.

The King summoned her to the palace several times, she never showed up The King later gave the final order that she must be brought to the palace whether dead or alive. He dispatched the fiercest warriors to her house. She was eventually overpowered, but se committed suicide before they could effect the arrest.

She was very close friend of Madam Tinubu, the iyalode of Egba,

mandarin:
I did answer your question. I said not just the Akoko are Yoruba but also many other tribes not well covered in Samuel Johnson history which centred on Oyo empire. Tale the Ogongo Magori ,Igala, Olukumi and the Bini royal houses

I do ot even know anything about the Ogori Magogos. Igalas have more link with the Igbos than the yorubas.

Olukumis are descendants of Oduduwa. Likewise the ruling houe of Bini.

I even read that the official language of the Oba of Benin within the courtyard is Yoruba, I do not know how true that is, but taking the eulogy of Oba of benin -- Iku Akpolokpolo -- it might be true.

Funjosh:
I joined the train sometime from lagos to Offa, we left Lagos 10am and got to Offa 3:45am the following day

You rode a donkey and not a train.

ProfShymex:
Nice.

So her grandad used to be the king of Osogbo then. Cool.

Is Fagbenle also an Osun name?

It is.,

IlekeHD:
Ok

I remember Queen E (forget her name). Losing her daughter to childbirth changed her.

Efunsetan. she was not a queen.

She was very mean because she did not have any child. She was very rich and powerful. She has many slaves and she was always maltreating them. She was the Iyalode. More or less like the Leader of women.

Then, she was controlling the route between Eko and Ibadan. The egbas and ibadan always deal directly in trade through her. she was an agent/middleman. She usually takes a certain percentage from both sides.

She was bold, confident and very intelligent. I do not know whether she wwas pretty sha.lol

ProfShymex:
Superstar1

I know you're from Osun. What part of Osun is Adenle family from?

Adenle is a royal family in Osogbo.

ProfShymex:
Okay. But are they Yoruba and do they see themselves as Yorubas? Also, do they speak a language that's intelligible to Yorubas?

And which one are you from - the Yoruba side or the Edo side?

I careless about any clan that does not make effort to identify with the mainstream yorubas.

Though majority always write their ethnicity as Yoruba

IlekeHD:
Did Yoruba kings used to flog peasants back in the days?

Naaaaa.

Such level of high handedness can lead to the king being deposed. At the same time, you dare not be rude to the King or the chiefs.

somegirl1:
That was never the basis for this debate.
The point was if regional/ state performance were to be compared based on ethnicity, it would be unfair to include Lagos's given it's multi-ethnic composition unless other SW states mainly comprising of yorubas performed just as well.

If SW was not habitable, just like SE and NE, you would have seen yorubas migrating to other regions in droves, as being witnedssed in the migration of Syrians to Europe and Eritreans to Europe.

Alas, the reverse is the case, with more people migrating to SW in a ratio of 1500:1 when compared to the ones emigrating out of SW to other regions.

Yeah, agreed other parts of SW might not be on the same level as Lagos. You will also agree with me that there is no mass exodus out of those places to other regions. That means the standard of living, infrastructure and nature is better than other regions.

PDP vs Card Reader in Rivers State.

Pdp 0 Card Reader 22.

IlekeHD:
I'm fluent in my understanding of 2 ekiti dialects .... mom/dad sides.

But I'm more fluent in orally speaking my mom's dialect. Ekiti sounds so sexyyyy

And of course 90%+ Yorubas are fluent in Oyo dialect.

The Oyo dialect is the lingua franca

Truckpusher and IlekeHD,

Both of you shuld find another for your luvy duvy oh.

modath:
Our Okun family friends has bought a piece of land in Omuo Ekiti (boundary between Kogi & Ekiti) cos in his words " Eleda mi o ni je n ba gambari lo"


When i want to mess with them , i tell them we will dash them to the north & they promptly reject it vehemently..

The yoruba speaking part of Edo, Kwara & Kogi would rather become refugees in the main yoruba states than be carved out as Jara..

In their best interest, they need to b more vocal about it, rather than keeping silent.

ProfShymex is really dishing out ancestral course 701.

chuna1985:
lol. I don't believe u. Yoruba no de ever travel, except for Nysc.

Of course we will not travel to the land of gully erosion, when afternoon witches are not following us. Why should we travel to a place where you the indigenes are even running away from?

We travel out, while you travel to SW. At most you travel to Indonesia and Malaysia, where they are using your heads as target practise for their police.

IlekeHD:
Ehnnnnnn ....... humans. Personal interest. Equals life.

That is always the number one thing to every human - personal interest.

That is why we need to keep celebrating our forefathers and planners of Western Region and SW for not allowing their personal interest to becloud the interest of the general good. They were able to lay a solid foundation for the region, which the younger generation ought to have built on.

Aareonakakanfo:
I know BBUT these permutations don't guarantee us of owning kwara state if autonomy were to be granted. How come we've been the only ones speaking for them? they themselves need to come out and make their intentions known.I would have expected the Governor of kwara state to hold a meeting with the guys at DAWN to see what can be done about it but so far we haven't heard anything,there's no communication between him and the governors in the south-west

We do not speak for them. if they cannot speak for themselves, that is their eternal headache.

Emphasis have always been on 6core SW states, where the states are almost 100% homogenous with pockets of known migrants.

Kwara has 70% yorubas and 30% others -- Fulanis, baribas and Nupes. Their percentge is even lower in kogi and more minute in Edo. It is left for them to make te move to join the core SW and if they are ok with the present political structure, who are we to begrudge them?

Aareonakakanfo:
My grouse here is the fact that i haven't heard prominent politicians from Kwara come out to make their intentions known on a possible merger with the south-west

They aligned with the north because of the comparative advantage it gave them, especially during the days of the military.

With the advent of democracy, they are leaning more and more towards SW, having realise they are just making up the numbers.

Aareonakakanfo:
Is the north ready to release kwara? will they ever let that happen?

They need to come out and tell us their position on this, we can't speak for them.

You are getting it twisted. 3/4 of Kwara is yoruba and 1/5th of kogi is yoruba and a more minute percentage in Edo.

Kwara is not ilorin alone, mind you. They are igbomina clan and a key constituent of the yoruba race. Worst case, a referendum will be carried out there. for them to take their destiny in their hands.

IlekeHD:
Don't you think it's a problem to leaving some Yorubas behind?

Kwarans will probably stick with Odu'a when the egg shell breaks, so...

SW is a mere imaginary geographical expression. Yoruba speaking parts of Kogi Kwara and Edo shall be made part of the larger republic. As usual, they are expected to make the move by themselves and not otherwise.

The same way itshekiris invited OPC to Warri.

ProfShymex:
I like the idea of diaspora Yorubas contributing to help develop education and health amenities in Yorubaland - however, can this give us the desired change we want? - absolutely not. The maintenance culture in Nigeria is worrisome and for what you're canvassing to work effectively, there have to be people on the ground working assiduously to keep the initiative going. But when you've got a people who're hungry and it's all man for himself cos the country is in a terrible state - a lot of folks will turn an initiative like that into a profiteering venture. And that's where I agree with "Aarekakanfo/cabbieAC". Also how would you be able to keep such initiative a Yoruba-centered one in a country as intertwined as Nigeria? For an initiative like this one to work, there has to be a structure created by government, for it to be able to permeate and get to the intended people...and a structure like that is non-existent in Nigeria.

The truth is that nothing works in Nigeria and the folks are hungry. So it will very difficult to remit whatever token you've to folks who're looking to survive without them channeling those funds for personal use. And you can't blame them cos it's for survival in the jungle. My friend went to Abuja a few months ago cos we're doing a few projects with some folks and can you believe he had to change his hotel about three times the first night alone...and even when he got to decent one, he had to a change rooms a few times cos of one problem or the other? Even internet was almost non-existent and he had to buy modem. My own experience was a bit different cos I stayed with my uncle in Lagos and he's super rich. So when helped a lot cos being inside the house - it's like I never left where I came from. However, once I stepped out...the reality of Nigeria is just so glaring. Nothing works. Then you have got a situation whereby folks old enough to be ya dad would bow down to you and call you "Sir" for no reason. Give them £50 equivalent of Nigerian money and they'll start telling you how that money would help fix a lot of things and literally start worshipping you like a demi-god. So how would you trust folks in need like that with money to run an initiative, when they need that money to survive? It's sad, really.

Personally, I think the best thing to do with remittance is to look inwards into ya immediate and extended families that are struggling in Nigeria (I believe we all have folks like that cos all fingers aren't equally) and help sponsor their brightest kids into the best schools in the country. With that, it'll be easy to monitor their progress and put the money into good use. I've got an aunt who's a barrister and she sponsors close to ten kids in Nigeria. Ditto uncles who help as well...and my parents also contribute their own quota. That's something I'm looking into. And with an initiative like that, it'll be easier to monitor progress and achieve results, if everyone can just remit to help the disadvantaged folks in their immediate/extended families.

Lastly, we as Yorubas in the new world just need to keep asking questions and discussing the best ways/methods/approaches to move Yorubas forward - without getting entangled in the show of shame and celebration of mediocrity/non-achievement a lot of charlatans love doing...and hope they'll listen to us one day cos it's a collective destiny. Folks can say go back "home" and contribute ya quota, but how's that feasible within a structure like that? How many people have gone to Nigeria to help, only to come back miserable with broken dreams like a Tarzan figure? I remember I used to be on going to Nigeria after Uni to help back in the day. However, you'll see folks tell you to shut up and sit ya arse where you are cos the environment isn't conducive enough for a dream like that. And I saw the reality when I went there.

Thanks Shymexx.

This piece really got me thinking.

WIZGUY69:
I wish SW govt. (FG) can build a light rail that connects Lagos-Oyo(Ibadan) - Osun (Osogbo) - Ondo (Akure). is it possible? beside the federal highway.

Odua Goup almost sealed a deal on Lagos Ibadan rail in 2010 with a foreign technical partner and banks were ready to finance it. They suddenly realise the constitution only vested the running of the rail system on NRC. This was suspended until the new NRC Act sees the light of day. It has passed first reading at the level of the NA.

The revised ACT is expected to allow private ownership of rail systems in Nigeria. With that you can be rest assured there will certainly be a supersonic rail system connecting the SW states and maybe with Kwara and parts of kogi that are yoruba speaking.

januzaj:
They wont claim Borno now ooooo.......Maybe Uyo

I do not know why they are never contented with what their lazy forefathers gave them as inheritance.

I do not know the kind of ethnicity that will be fighting all and sundry that they are part of them and the other party will be rejecting such claims.

Yorubas have ancestral relationship with Benin people, itshekiris, Nupes, Ebiras etc do we make them Yorubas by force? We have yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo, do you see us annexing those countries as our own Crimea? We have millions of people that have yoruba ancestral lineage in South America - people speaking yoruba, well grounded in the culture and religion -- and have we ever lay claim to any part of South America.

There should be something that defines which clan or tribe is a part or not a part of an ethnicity and all these confusion needs to stop.

They have delta igbo, rivers igbo, akwa ibom igbo and even sambisa igbo. I do not know how an imaginary physical delineation defines ethnicity. I can as well say we have Kogi-yorubas, Kwara yorubas, Benin Yorubas, Delta Yoruba, Benin Republic yorubas, Togo Yorubas and South American Yorubas.

Rubbish of the highest order.

Is it not funny that the people that are shouting self determination are the ones attacking the OP, that was simply exercising hi s own right for self determination too.

Hypocrisy of y1bos is legendary.

To y1bos:

Lagos - No man's land

Abuja -- No man's land

Kano -- No man's land

Akure -- No man's land

and now PORT HARCOURT.


Which place will be the NEXT no man's land to y1bos? --- Maybe Sambisa Forest. I trust Shekau.

The OP must be a yoruba!!!!!!!!!!!!

PH is the new NO MAN's LAND.




Y1bos and their land grabbing tendencies, coupled with their greed and covetousness.

somegirl1:
Why don't the figures from other SW states attest to this?

It does not have to attest to it because SW is an imaginary geographical expression. In as much as it is Oduduwa's land, it belongs to all. Our forefathers made Oyo the capital of yorubas centuries ago and when they deemed it fit, it was moved to Ibadan up till the days of the Awolowo and subsequent generations have made Lagos capital of the Yorubas, our collective commonwealth and heritage.

If we like, we can move same to Yagba in Kogi when we so wish. For now, we are concentrating our effort on Lagos and it is rubbing off on other contiguous states.