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hatozeck:
This is where you got it wrong. Christ needed to and should have responded if it weren't true. He knew what Satan was saying is absolutely correct but then he also knows that he's about to defeat him once and for all by going to the cross. And that he did

You are not in position to tell Jesus Christ what to respond to. Especially when the question of who owns the earth has already been sufficiently answered in the bible l.
It seems you want to teach Jesus Christ how to answer questions.
Again, you are saying that because Jesus Christ did not answer, you have to believe the devil?

hatozeck:
You're quoting scriptures that's out of context that's contradictory. Nobody said the world belongs to Satan. The world which is largely occupied by unbelievers is controlled by Satan. But then the owner of it all is the Almighty. I don't see how that's hard for you to understand

You are talking about 2 unconnected things. Yes the world is occupied by unbelievers but the question was who is in control and the bible makes it clear, it's God not Satan. So you either believe your Bible or create your own opinion.

hatozeck:
He reads his Bible but he obviously doesn't know to connect the dots

Just stick to the revealed words and stop quoting the devil

hatozeck:
If your assertion is correct then why did Jesus not refute that statement from Satan when he said he could give him the whole world? Care to answer

Jesus Christ did not need to specially or specifically refute it
The scriptures already refute it severally.
Again, as Christians it's not advisable to understand the mysteries of God through the words of Satan. He will deceive you. Do not quote the devil in your quest for eternal truths.
It's shocking that christians have to depend on the words of Lucifer to understand the word of God.

hatozeck:
In summary, God owns the earth but Satan controls it

Daniel 2:21 – He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

Colossians 1:16-17 – For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible... all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

TenQ:
Many aspects of the economy like inflation can be tweaked but the CPI shows what the citizens are really feeling.

Have you noticed that the Nigerian economy is always growing, but the CPI shows what the average Nigerian consumer power is.

I wish I could be optimistic of Russia like you but I can't.

I don't like Biden Administration.
This is because, this war was a trap for Putin. It was to slowly bleed the Russian economy dry and ultimately cause the implosion of Russia as they did for the Soviet Union.
Unfortunately, it was costing lots of Ukrainian lives and they do not care. They drip-feed the Ukrainian army so that they don't collapse but that they don't win. How can you claim that you are helping your friend fight but you tie up one of his hands.

Sir inflation had a big impact on the CPI. Again, you don't expect the CPI of a war time economy to be the same as in the time of peace.

Your point is that because the CPI is lower in war time Russia, it will continue to remain low after the war but you really have nothing to back that opinion.

vybzkartel:
In Matthew 4, Satan told The Lord Jesus that he could give Him all the kingdoms of the world since they were his:

Matthew 4:8
[8]Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

In Exodus 19 however, God told Moses that the earth belonged to Him.

Exodus 19:3-5
[3]And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:
[4]‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself.
[5]Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.

What's your take?

God both owns and controls the earth. That's if we choose to believe what has been revealed and not the opinions of man.

Psalm 24:1 – The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it.

Daniel 2:21 – He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

Colossians 1:16-17 – For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible... all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Isaiah 45:7 – I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

Matthew 10:29 – Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.

Proverbs 21:1 – The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will

Do we believe the revealed word or the opinion of man or the lies of the devil in Matthew 4

TenQ:
The true state of the economy is known from the consumer price index

By 2022; before the war CPI was 209.1 but now in 2025, it is 276.20 and this is the official Russian estimate

You can't just decide that the CPI measures the true state of an economy. There is more than one way to measure or define economy.
Did you know that inflation increases the CPI?
Let's not isolate one factor and make it the be it all. Again, I never said that the Russian economy was having it's best of time, I only said that you have no way of predicting what would be fall the economy after the war.
After the war, Russia could return to being one of the biggest energy exporters. Sanctions will be taking away. Investors will flood. No one can honestly predict, we can only guess.

TenQ:
It is worse than that sir,
Russian is a net importing country and their manufacturing industry doesn't really exist. Once they exit the war economy, there would be a massive inflation and political unrests. Putin will be replaced. Russia has lost too much from this war

The US is a net importing country. That's not saying much. It's funny that economists predicted the fall of the Russian economy at the beginning of the war with all the sanctioned that hit them. So forgive me if I don't believe all these economy gloom stories. We have seen it and heard it all.

In fact, let's compare the Russian economy to that of Germany an economic power house.
While Russia's economy experienced an initial downturn in 2022, it has since demonstrated notable growth. In contrast, Germany's economy, after modest growth in 2022, has faced consecutive years of contraction.

So please don't read some cock and bull written by an economist because any true economist would tell you that the future can't be predicted by economists.

TenQ:
It means they need much more resources to survive. They don't have many Allies like Ukraine funding them.

Thus by 2026, you will see another soviet style economic collapse in Russia. They've been struggling to keep inflation under control because they are running a war economy where money is the main form of inducement for men joining the army.

It will take a minimum of ten years for Russia to recover from their destruction if USA does not bail them out

If the war ends today and all sanctions are removed, the Russian economy will immediately start bouncing back. Russia has very little foreign debt and don't forget that the west ceased about 600 billion dollars of Russian money.
When this war ends, Russia would go back to making money.

TenQ:
You said LESS than a month!

Will you call me then?

Then we can talk.


Russia is actually in a big shit too but you seem not to know because Russia is at least 8 time bigger in every respect than Ukraine

You just said that Russia is many times bigger than Ukraine. They have all the advantages compared to Ukraine.

Let's see what happens in one month. Then we can restart this debate.

hush15:
He is a guest, but he is also a Head of State...

And that gave him the right to be disrespectful?

TenQ:
I am sorry for US-EU relation!

Russia too is loosing big in this war!
Except Trump is ready to bail out Russia.

What I see is that EU will step up aid to Ukraine. It will not be enough, but it will help Ukraine to continue to bleed out Russia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3RFzX4AW4

Unfortunately, it could even escalate.

If North Korea can join the war without consequence, what stops UK or Germany joining this war?

If Ukraine is sacrificed, I bet it with you than in 14 months latest, China will invade Taiwan.

EU members will stand to watch Trump at this time.

Bye-bye also to NATO as a formidable force, thanks to Trump child-bully tactics!

All these you wrote are not the point. In less than a month, we would see if your friend Zelensky has made the best decision for his county.
It will not take time to see the result and to know whether he is an arrogant fool or a wise leader. No need to argue endlessly.

hush15:
Then, he should let Trump talk. Again, if it was Putin, would Vance have spoken? he wouldn't be on the table sef....

Putin is not as disrespectful as Zelensky. He is a real diplomat.
When Zelensky asked the VP if he had visited Ukraine to prove that the man was ignorant, that was going too far.

He went on to tell the VP that he was talking loud.
Remember, he was the guest.

Obrigardo:
The aggression started in 2014 - I remember Ossetia, Georgia and how putin started taking up parts of the old Soviet bloc. Do you remember? I bet you dont. It was clearly from 2016 that putins army started the war in Crimea.

Killer putin had already started incursion into Ukraine under the rapist trump, why is that hard for you to believe? Must you make excuses for the incompetence of the rapist and the ambitions of putin?

See, the majority knows WHY putin needs Ukraine. So when you start feigning ignorance and doing performative whataboutism, it shows you are trying to gaslight.

Nothing you have said makes sense or better, nothing you have said deals with the issues on the ground.

You are just all over the place.
Zelensky had the choice to continue the war or make peace and he alone will bear responsibility for his actions.

Let's see if his choice will improve the lives of his people or make it worse.

At least, Trump did not force a deal on him so he has no one to blame for his final choice.

I wish him all the best.

TenQ:
What does Ukraine want
A Robust Security Guarantees that after the negotiations, Russia will not invade Ukraine again.

Security guarantees are too easy: Any one of these FOUR would have been sufficient
1. Ukraine accepted into NATO
2. Trigger to activate Ukraine joining NATO if and only if Russia attempts another invasion
3. Robust foreign Army in Ukraine for Peace keeping
4. Arming Ukraine to the Teeth with weapons as deterrents to invasion from Russia


Any one that is accepted will work

What Trump is suggesting is that after Ukraine's capitulation, from their remaining land not taken by Russia, they will still owe USA $500billion aside USA owning 50% of the proceeds of the rare earth minerals in Ukraine indefinitely with ZERO security guarantee


Zelensky said NO to these terms and he formulated a more balanced trade agreement and this was to be signed in the White House.

Unknown to Zelensky, Trump was not ready to sign the new deal and their plan was to insist on their initial plan and humiliate him if he refuses.




If you were the President of Ukraine, will you sign Trump's deal and what will your country gain from it?

All the best to Zelensky, let's see what he gets.
Let's have this discussion in few weeks time after he has gotten all he wants.

hush15:
He wants peace which everybody and anybody would want but not in a condescending manner. i watched the video. His VP should have let Trump do the talking. All the VP can do is speak to Trump or advice Trump as his second in command, not lash out at a sitting President. it is humiliating and no president should condone it. Would he address Putin that way? it is simple protocol. Obviously, everybody knows Zenlensky has the lower hand in all of this but it shouldn't be rubbed on his face. They have suffered the most and ending the war should be on Ukraine's terms.
However, Zenlensky needs to come to reality that he need to concede in other to win. this war has gone long enough and its no longer sustainable. They need to start rebuilding. this fight can be fought on another day.

I saw the vid. Zelensky was the disrespectful one.

Seunmuham:
Yes . That and more. And if America isn't ready to play hardball, they get the f out and hand over the world to the east. You can't be smart by half. Now talk another thing

No middle ground here

That's exactly what Trump said. He is not forcing Ukraine. Zelensky is free to return whenever he wants to. Let's see if any other country would give him guarantee. My bet is as good as yours.

Obrigardo:
The way you guys try to feign ignorance is something else. putin had already started taking over Crimea in the time of the rapist's first term. If the rapist was for peace then why didn't he stop the killer from incursion into Ukraine then?
But he used the chance to strong arm Zelensky into manufacturing dirt on Biden. You remember what led to his first impeachment right?

Ok, continue fighting. Never stop the war since that's the only thing that makes sense to you.

Correction, Crimea was taken during Obama's rule not Trump.

3kay945:
Bro, I was wondering why people you quoted talked like this? The Ukraine chief sponsor said you should embrace peace , you're doing strong head. Maybe he has another god drumming his beat somewhere else. ZELINSKY was the arrogant one during the meeting.
His decision can only be justified if he can fight his war without US assistance. If not, Dey Play is his case!

I just tire my brother

TenQ:
Ukraine already stated that it may be impossible to get back all their land from Putin



Same as 1. Zelensky already stated that months ago



Both Zelensky and Putin want the war to end. You can check their speeches online




Ukraine is only asking for a Security Guarantee that this war will not start again after a few years after this negotiation.


Is this too much to ask?

Explain what you mean by security guarantee?
Are you asking the US to promise to fight Russia on your behalf if Russia starts the war again?
Why will the US promise WW3 on behalf of Ukraine.
The biggest guarantee Zelensky can expect is the mineral deal agreement. If the US financial interest is involved, that is guarantee enough.
But the US promising to fight on behalf of Ukraine would even make Russia less likely to negotiate.

TenQ:
This is what YOU chose to hear: I never implied this

You couldn't answery question as usual!!

You were going round in circles.
Let's be honest there are only 3 possible options here.
1. Russia gives up the captured land for peace

2. Ukraine accept to leave the lands occupied by Russia for peace

3. The war continues without end.

We know no 1 cannot happen so you choose, which you prefer. Be practical and honest to yourself.

rezy15:
Save this post.

Why

lexy2014:
what is the opinion I made that I am correct about?

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

Everything you said is correct. We will never stop fighting until Ukraine recovers all it's lost land and Putin is defeated

lexy2014:
does "press ignore" answer these questions?

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

Bro you are correct. This war must never end until Ukraine has destroyed Russia.

ElevationD:
Sorry bro. You did not read through, neither have you bothered to have a little research.

Thank you for the time.

Thanks friend. And I read through.

TenQ:
No!

1. I want the war to end in such a way that it wouldn't repeat itself right year down the line like
A. The failure of the Budapest agreement
B. The failure of the Minsk 1&2 agreement

2. I want a just ending to the war where any strong nation like America or China cannot just annex Nigeria or Cameroon just because they can do so militarily


Is the way out for you and unconditional capitulation of Ukraine with ZERO security guarantees?

You are right. Ukraine must not stop fighting until Russia is destroyed.

ElevationD:
Please read through my response to @tctrills and you can have more insight.

For me, the rise to power of Vladimir Putin, whose foreign policy seeks to among others project Russis as a great power within the international system is an issue in the war.

Russia claims that its war against Ukraine was to protect its vital interests. The Russians have said that its right to dominate their nearest neighbors as a key foreign policy priority. Russia’s stated reasons for launching this war include protecting the self interests and preserving all Russian cultural identity, especially the people of Luhansk and Donetsk.

The question remains if Putin truly wants to end the war.

No wahala, you are right, let the war continue until Zelensky destroys Putin.

Moveittothem:
Is Russia above making peace?

Why make it look like it's only zelensky that is warring?

Why can't Putin want peace, is he worse than devil that he doesn't know the meaning of peace?

Let US hands off if they don't want to finance Ukraine.
They know nothing about peace at this stage with their biase peace keeping.

Ok, no p.. let the fighting continue since you all love war. It's ok. You win

rezy15:
The news is littered with many sources. Here's one: https://www.dw.com/en/what-is-known-of-donald-trumps-peace-plan-for-ukraine/a-71598106

From what you posted, it says the plan is not officially confirmed and it was leaked by a Ukrainian outlet. Why should I base my opinion on a rumour?

Seunmuham:
Looolll this is quite hysterical. Please off your phone and go to bed

That's what they all say when they have nothing to offer.
I am not hear to be emotional or to please you.

ElevationD:
“Who told you…”. History told me that. Following the history of the old Soviet Union, its breakup and the results told me so. The events that we see playing out, predate 2014 or 2022.

There are too many details to look at without sentiments. If you are willing to discuss with decorum, then we can proceed and you will get better informed.

Look at the below for starters:

1.Research “the Minsk Agreement” and why Putin calculated chose to break it up, claiming that Ukraine broke it. Why did Ukraine choose to end the treaty?

2. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-trilateral-process-the-united-states-ukraine-russia-and-nuclear-weapons/

3. The total nuclear stockpile in Ukraine before denuclearization.

4. The Steinmeier formula.

5. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/93-1231-Weapons-Nonproliferation-Ukraine-CTRA.pdf

6. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance

Read through and revert.

So I went though you links and no one says that the US or NATO is obligated to protect Ukraine
Did you get me question?