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rezy15:
Ok first off, nobody wants war to continue. Oga trump claims he makes good deals. Good here are some points in the so-called good deal:
Ukraine withdraws from Russian territories in the Kursk region
Putin doesn't give up occupied land
Zelensky recognizes the occupied land as Part of Russia
Ukraine returns to neutrality and closes the door to joining NATO.
Now if you are president of Ukraine will you agree to this deal?

Oga the only valid point you made is the last one.
For the remaining, can you show me where you got them or are they fragments of your imagination?

Seunmuham:
Lol quite funny. Wow so people still think like you.
So what's the terms of agreement or negotiation ought to be.

Please out me out of my misery

Oga can you spell out the terms you are talking about?
Has anyone proposed terms for peace yet. Please tell me what I don't know.

dru23:
Nigerians truly deserves the leaders they get. So Zelesky was arrogant for fighting for his countries......

May you not need help in your darkest hours

Nigerians should learn to use their listening skills. No one called Zelensky arrogant for fighting for his county. Go back read and understand then we can discuss.

FEGNO:
Maybe you didn’t watch the proceedings or like a lot of other id**ts busy praising the Russian agent in the White House every move no matter how stupid

Make your point or go in peace. I don't have time for emotional people.

lexy2014:
are you saying that the following post you made that produced my questions is irrelevant?



1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

Interpret how you wish sir.

rezy15:
If you know anything about diplomacy, you would knw its the US that made an offer to broker peace. What's in it for Ukraine? For zelensky to shout at the US envoy in Ukraine you should the deal is a shitty one. Give up a large chunk of my minerals to the US without a security guarantee? Even an idiot would reject that deal. The US shouldn't pretend they won't benefit from that deal. Trump is just an antagonist. Smarter politicians won't even attack the president of an allied country in the oval office. The Ukrainian pple didn't agree to cede territory to Russia so any ceasefire without a guarantee of withdrawal by Russia is a shit deal

Please state the offer that the US make. I am listening.
Again it was Zelensky that insulted his host. Go back and listen to the exchange.

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

I press ignore

rezy15:
You're not Ukranian so losing land and living in an occupation is lost on you. The US should step up and honor signed agreements or gtfah. Other nations are watching and beginning to realize the US has gone to shit under Trump

Neither are you Ukrainian but you want to push them to lose more land and people and lose their strongest allie.

You claim the US is gone to shit because they want peace. You confuse me oh.
You preferred the US under Biden when billions were spent on a war that had no end?
Explain the shit oga.

rezy15:
Trust me Trumps secretary of state meeting with Zelensky days ago give him an idea. Oga was shouting in his office. That was why he ran to Washington. The deal is a shit deal. Just like trumps other shit deals with allies

I can't trust you, I can only trust the facts.
Please give me point by point why it is a shit deal. I want more than just your opinion.

Lovit:
Billions invested by who? By those that will ask for pay back?

if all those that helped Ukraine ask for payback with Minerals, what will be left for the country to survive on?

Ukraine should turn to Europe for assistance, I know UK and other allies will be willing to help

That's why it's called an investment. Ukraine will profit in the billions. Don't expect a free lunch.
And who told you that the UK and EU are not interested in Ukraine s minerals.
Also, a mineral deal doesn't mean that Ukraine takes nothing.
Nigeria has mineral deals with shell and Mobile is our government not making billions from it?

rezy15:
The questions are relevant oga. A country invaded your country and grabbed land where will the negotiations start? The new borders or prewar? A country has a sovereign right to defend itself. You guys should stop saying he was deceived. Did he declare war on Russia? Did he ask putin to annex Crimea?

So you are saying that he must continue to fight and destroy his county until Putin accepts the blame and returns all the captured land right?
It that is what he wants, let him go on. No problem.

Seunmuham:
How would you suggest to zelensky to go with your peace plan. Please explain let's hear

It's easy, let the US negotiate on your behalf and accept it when it is presented.
Or
Continue fighting but don't expect the US to finance your war.

LordReed:
LoLz. But they want the access to the 50% written? What do you mean demand, that was what he was told would be the deal. Only to find nothing of a security guarantee in the document.

How can he object to a clause that was not stated?

It is instructive that you refuse to answer the question cos even you know that it is a rubbish deal.

No problem Don't give them the mineral deal and keep fighting. It's ok.

rezy15:
I guess you forgot the part where the US refused to give guarantees for the safety of Ukraine an ally in case Russia violated the ceasefire like they did the last time. Instead orange trump is putting forward mineral deals in a war country for the president to sign. Dey play

Oga, why should the US give Ukraine any guarantee? I am trying to make peace and help you and you are demanding guarantee?
The US doesn't owe the Ukraine anything.
But then, Zelensky is free to accept the US help or reject it. He has rejected it so it's his problem let's see how far fighting takes him.

LordReed:
With nothing written down how is it a SECURITY guarantee? He did what I expect anyone in his shoe would do, seek a security guarantee for the resources he was going to be giving up. With kind of flake Trump is why should he get a written guarantee?

My question to you again if you were Zelensky would you take this deal as it is?

First it's to early to have a written guarantee and secondly the US doesn't owe Ukraine and guarantee.
It's ungrateful for Zelensky to demand a guarantee from the US.
All he should do is follow the negotiations and object to any clause that doesn't go well for his people.
It's way too early for him to start making demands from the people trying to help him.

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

I didn't answer what you asked because as I said, they are irrelevant questions.
The answers to your question will not lead to peace. It will only lead to more war.

zelnababa:
every one knows that Trump is for putin

Your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't do conspiracy theories.

Lovit:
Peace deals should at least benefit both sides, I don't blame Zelenskky in any way
If US takes their minerals and Russia takes part of Ukraine forcefully taken from them, what's in it for Ukraine?
How are we sure Russia won't take more Ukraine territories in the next one year?
As much as the young man wants the war to end, they are just beating him and telling him not to cry. Who does that?

Let me tell you how it benefits Ukraine.
1. His people would stop dying.
2. Billions will be invested to rebuild his county.
3. Billions will be invested into his mineral section
4. Because the US will be making money from Ukraine, it will be in their financial interest to keep the peace.

lexy2014:
I didnt say Ukraine has the right to defend itself. I asked the following questions.

Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

Your questions are immaterial to peace.
And again, Ukraine has a right to defend itself but not at the expense of any other nation.
They have a choice, peace or war.
You can continue to blame Russia and remain in a forever war or choose to move on with peace and rebuild your nation. Which would you choose.

rezy15:
Oga did you at least ask the content of this ceasefire? You're asking a sovereign nation to just roll over and surrender to an invader

It's too early to ask for the content. Negotiation is just beginning. Nothing has been agreed or even proposed yet.
Again when did anyone ask Ukraine to roll over and surrender.
Finally, surrender is not always a bad word especially when you look at the alternatives.

fxexperts:
It is what you stated that I wrote na, you are more concerned about the price of wheat and fufu.

Have fun

Funflipper:
But in all honesty, Trump was never going to sign that deal. He only made that proposal because he thought Zelensky won't accept the deal and he immediately started looking for ways to scuttle everything as soon as Zelensky accepted to sign it and that was what the whole world saw yesterday.

Your opinion. Do you have proof to back what you say because I can't argue with conspiracy theories

TenQ:
Sorry,
According to Trump, was the military support a gift!?


Have you noticed how USA has suddenly become the next good thing since fried rice since Trump?

Have you noticed how NATO is no more the enemy of the great Russia?

It shows exactly how you think!

What's your point exactly? You want the war to continue forever?

Moveittothem:
What are the terms and conditions for the peace to be given a chance?
Do you think peace is always negotiable?

If USA doesn't want to help Ukraine with finance, then so be it.

Let the world watch Russia conquer what is left of Ukraine and possibly annex it.
It won't be the first something like that has happened in history.

But saying Zelensky doesn't want peace? come on!

Imagine your neighboring village trying to take up your land because they are stronger, and your friends from other villages are saying you don't want peace, that you should give peace a chance.

what peace exactly?

Some peace are more costly than defeat.

Oga, it's one thing at a time. The UD has not yet discussed terms and agreement with Russia. Do take it easy.
Again, let's be practical. Weaker nations always seek out peace and not more war.
The idea that you keep fighting even when you can sign a peace deal has never ended well.
You have to choose one, defending your pride or defending your people.
The US did not begin this war, they are only trying to make peace.

Funflipper:
At least he won't have any significant leverage on the negotiating table because he is already under immense pressure from his people. His soldiers are dropping like flies, equipments being blown to pieces and having north korea come to his aid. These are indications that russia is running low and out of options. He would have run Russia to the ground which in turn would cause an uprising and ultimately his removal for starting this senseless war in the first place. But donald trump has given him a life line now.

Oh, you believe Russia is losing the war. Ok, let's see how this goes in 6 months. Hope we remember to have this conversation again.

Obrigardo:
The rapist fascist ain't fighting for peace man. Have you been alive the past 8 years?

I should ask you the same question. 2016 to 2020 under trump and 2020 to 2024 understand Biden. Have you been alive the last 8 years? Remind us what Putin did under Trump's last presidency.

Wallade:
Hmmm. You can't understand.

No wahala.

fxexperts:
Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

As usual you are all about insulting when you have no point. Goodbye.

Mandate1:
I would rather defend my country and die a hero, than sign devilish deal of cowardice

Good for you. I would rather save my people and rebuild nation than destroy everything in the name of foolish pride. Let's just say you and I are very different.

TenQ:
You think it is about Ukraine winning the war !?

Sorry to disappoint you!

Ukraine is fighting to defend themselves against a very strong bully.

Even if they lost, it is due to nothing else than BETRAYAL from an USA

What is wrong with you? How is it betrayer if the US stops given their money and weapons to Ukraine. Someone has already given you hundreds of billions yet you accuse him of betrayal when he stops given you money? You are wicked and ungrateful.

ElevationD:
The USA is obligated, just like UK and NATO to finance the war. Once again, there was an agreement long time ago.

Please do a little research and find out if Russia would before that agreement have dared to venture into Ukraine, even without the cover of America, UK and NATO countries.

Who told you that the US and NATO are obligated? Is Ukraine a NATO member.
Where in the NATO constitution is it written that the UD must finance Ukraine's wars. Please educate me sir.
Just send me a link to the documents that obligates the US.

Wallade:
Trump doesn't primarily want peace, he wants to take advantage and get minerals and material resources off Ukraine as payment for the resources USA spent on the war.

That is what Trump is after, he does not really care about peace between Russia and Ukraine.

Can you mine minerals in a war zone? There would be peace