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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:31pm On May 04
THEDEEPSIGHT:
There is no point. I am arguing against too much ignorance. You too probably have zero knowledge of the matter being discussed.
Still cant believe basilico and tctrills only first heard of black wall street today.
In the last 60 years, mention that one positive thing, just one, that black America has achieved for its people.
Just one please
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:24pm On May 04
THEDEEPSIGHT:
There is no point. I am arguing against too much ignorance. You too probably have zero knowledge of the matter being discussed.
Still cant believe basilico and tctrills only first heard of black wall street today.
I didn't first hear it today but let's pretend I did, what does that change?
Just like today was your first time learning about the Jewish experience, what does that change
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:23pm On May 04
THEDEEPSIGHT:
Similar depravities and abominations can be said for whites, but of course, for you, white is good, black is bad.
I really have to leave this matter. You guys can think as you like.

Its a shame.
The ignorance stinks though.
Oga, I am not white. It's my duty to call out my own first. You concentrate on the whites and their abominations while I bring it home to the blacks
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:11pm On May 04
THEDEEPSIGHT:
It is not regressing.
That a young black man is more likely to die from the bullet of a fellow black than any other cause how is that progress?

That the average black man is an irresponsible father, how is that progress.
That black babies are being killed in the womb by their mothers faster than any other race, how is that progress?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:08pm On May 04
DeepSight:
1. It is madness to count welfare to given to the poor of all races as what blacks should have specially developed from

2. You have no issue with the Jews getting reparations but you hate the idea of blacks getting reparations.

3. You then say the Jews have done well and blacks are making excuses.

The Jews have a completely different story and scenario. As Ijebos told you they are the most protected people in the world since the second world war. The second world war ended twenty years before the Civil Rights Movement that ended segregation.

Europeans have not gotten to where they are overnight. It is madness to look at a community that was still suffering segregation and could barely vote as recently as 60 years ago and then shout "excuses." Its abominably silly.

Gosh. The ignorance, shallowness and stupidity is too great.

I am sure today is the first time you are hearing of black wall street. And you have no idea what the implications of a century of marginalization can do and has done.
You refuse to develop from 5 trillion with the excuse that other races got money too. That's a really foolish thing to do.
So you will only choose to develop when other races are excluded from getting something. Please let's not go further, make this make sense.

Also, explain how the Jews are more protected than black America. The Jews started winning and growing from 1948.
Black America is yet to win anything since 1965.

It's ok to look back 60 years and ask how far. It's okay to look at a people in the nation with greatest opportunity and ask how far after 60 years of freedom. We are not asking them to do too much, just make some progress that's all
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:01pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Its not a matter of money, its a matter of time. Every group of people walk a different journey.
Once upon a time Romans looked down on Brits and Germans as barbarians.

Where is Italy today?
You are right, it takes time. But at least be improving no matter how slow it takes. Black America is regressing and you are making excuses for them
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 8:00pm On May 04
DeepSight:
You just have no sense of history and ripple effects. If that is what your good culture people could do from hate, do you think that suddenly stopped. Does it not occur to you that same people would go to extreme lengths to keep black people in shackles?

Is it not a shame that segregation lasted till the sixties? I mean the sixties for heavens sake.

So we are talking about a mere fifty to sixty years ago. And you expect that in that time the people so marginalized by society ought to have perfected everything? How will it not take time for heavens sake Tctrills and basilico. How many centuries did it take whites to our their act together and with all these odds against a marginalized black community you insult them for not being perfect yet right?
Yes, history and ripple effect. The Jews should be complaining about the many ripples from the Romans to the Arabs to the ottoman to the nations of Europe to the Arab world again. By now, ever Jew should just run mad.
Oga the 60s, that's 60 years ago. It's a very long time to stop being senseless.
How long did it take Israel, how long did it take Singapore, how long did it take Korea.
How long did it take Japan to recover from WWII and 2 atomic bombs.
But it is taking the blacks a hundred years to recover from a fire
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 7:54pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Look at your last line. What were they given? You are talking about welfare that went to poor people generally.
Welfare went to the poor people generally is that your excuse why black America have wasted 5 trillion dollars? Would they have done better if the 5 trillion was given specifically to blacks and other raves cut out?
You bring up a non issues. I don't care who else got money, I only care what was achieved with the money.
You cou call the money welfare or anything you want but 5 trillion is so much. What has come out of it? How can we give more money if what was give is wasted.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 7:47pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Welfare given to every poor person is not the same thing as reparations. That welfare is given to all races. That's one.

What do you mean the entire nation went to war "just to free them?" You make it sound like a favour?

Should they have been enslaved at all? And should anyone have fought to retain that system of slavery?

When you remember those whites who fought to free them, who were those whites fighting against? Other whites who wanted to keep slavery right? Do you forget that?

Here is the simple fact.

1. Jews got reparations
2. You don't want blacks to get same
3. Yet you congratulate Jews for doing better than blacks.

Why is that?
It was more than a favour, it was a sacrifice.
Should there have been slavery in the first place? No. But tell me any other country that sacrificed that much to end slavery?

In the 1860s slavery was the norm. Americans killed their fellow country men to change that norm. No country has ever sacrificed that much for blacks.

Mind you, my great grandfather had slaves. Many of our ancestors were either slaves or slave owners. The slaves among them would have wished and prayed that others would go to war just to free them.
It only happened in the great USA.

You bring up a great point, whites fought their fellow whites to free black men. This is one of the greatest human stories ever.

What greater sacrifice can a nation make. Tell me any greater sacrifice in history that any nation has made for the blacks.

1 The Jews got reparations in a few billions
2 Blacks get welfare in the trillion.
3 Who do we congratulate, the one who got trillions and squandered it or the one who got a few billions and became the start up nation.

Lastly black wall street is a testament of the black rot.
Between 1965 and now, black America could have rebuilt their wall street. They could have made it many time greater. They have more opportunities than the 1920s but what do they choose, to cry and seek pity.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 7:23pm On May 04
basilico:
Well I honestly don't.
Okay. I've seen it was in 1921.
According to DeepSight a fire from hundred ago is the reason for everything going wrong in black America
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 7:01pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Jews have received reparations in many ways. But tctrills actually campaigns against money going to blacks. Then he says, look at Jews they are doing so well.

No one could make this up. Its beyond preposterous.
Blacks received close to a hundred billion in welfare each year how is that not more than what Jews received?

The best the Jews get is 3.5 billion yearly in a defence pack with the US. 70% of which is spent in the US on America companies.

And yes, Germany gave them a few billions in a one time payment.

What have the blacks received?

The entire nation went to war just to free them. The received the blood and sacrifice of America. America fought to make them free.

And today what better reparations is better than the opportunity to live freely in the land of greatest opportunity.

Again, I fully support giving welfare to the poor black and white, I only ask, what have the blacks done with their opportunity?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:53pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Nothing can save you.
I dont think you even have a word of condemnation for those who burnt it down do you?
Oh wait - you have praise for their culture in that regard, not so?
You dwell in irrelevance. That was in the 1920s. 100 years ago and some how, you feel it's the reason why black America is a mess.

Here are some figures that should make any sensible person think.

Despite segregation, the burning of black wall street, the KKK and all forms of oppression, black American reduced poverty by 45% from 1940 to 1965.
Just 25 years.
87% to 41.8%

In the years following, with all the opportunities that freedom brought their way. With a welfare program that have them billions each year what have they done?

Poverty has reduced by 24% from 1965 to date.
Why was black America able to do more with less? What changed?
Within that same period, black on black violent blew up, fatherlessness became an epidemic.

They were given more and they did less that's the amazing story of black America
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:13pm On May 04
DeepSight:
@ cococandy, what do I called the red bold but a Freudian slip?

And tctrills if you know of black wall street, tell me what happened to it - because it was not just randomly "lost" as you say. Something happened to it. Care to tell us if you know?
black wall street was burnt down by white guys and that is you excuse why blacks shouldn't have sense till today?

Every Jewish property was destroyed or stolen in Iraq in the 50s but the Jews have moved on.

Just so you know, less than 5% of black wealth was destroyed in black wall street.

100% of Iraqi Jews wealth was lost in the 50s
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:09pm On May 04
DeepSight:
The bold is sheer madness.
Anyway, the story is not finished.
The bolded is so true. Others improved in tech while black America improved in crime and irresponsibility. Mention one way the blacks have improved in America since 1965
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 6:07pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Do you know anything at all about Black Wall Street which she referred to? ? ? ? ?
Obviously neither you nor tctrills will.
You guys are trying to tell us that black America has suffered beyond repair.
But our message is, that is a big lie. There is great hope for black America.
The solution isn't pumping more money, the solution is not a black president but change will come when you change the culture.

Di you believe that black America can do better ? If yes, what do they need to get better?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:52pm On May 04
DeepSight:
The experience, timeline and circumstances are nowhere the same.
I just said no two experiences are ever the same. The Korean experience is different from the Jewish experience. But the most important thing is what they did with their experience.

The blacks chose to fold up despite all their advantages. The Jews and Koreans chose to rise dispite all disadvantages.

Tell me one good lesson we learn from the way the blacks have come out from their experience.

Honestly we can do better. This low expectation thing is no good, it is killing us
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:48pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Do you know anything at all about Black Wall Street which she referred to? ? ? ? ?
Obviously neither you nor tctrills will.
Yes, I know about the black wall street. Should I start listing everything the Jews lost?
We don't want to start the oppressed Olympics but clearly, the Jews lost much more.

The blacks lost their wall street but today, they have access to invest in the real wall street.

What is their excuse today
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 5:31pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Wait a minute. Are you saying Jews and Koreans were enslaved in America. Are you nuts?

I give up.

Totally useless.
Are you sick?
Must everyone be enslaved in America?
If your excuse for the black is just geography, that would be the most stupid excuse.

How does it matter where the enslavement took place.

You need to stop all these unnecessary distractions
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 3:28pm On May 04
DeepSight:
What is similar with the African American story and that of Jews and Koreans? Slavery? Jim Crowe? Segregation? Tell me.
Slavery for one. These are 3 people that faced percussion. That's what's similar.

Each went through years of oppression. So yes, they have similarities in their stories.
Unlike the blacks, the Jews and the Koreans were not given 5 trillion.

Unlike the blacks who were in the nation with the greatest opportunity and privileges, the Jews ended up in a desert surrounded by enemies.

Today, Nigerians are selling property and doing everything just to go to the US because of the opportunities there in.
But ask your average black American, he would claim no opportunity for the blacks
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:53pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Same with the poorer anywhere. Which you already conceded days ago.
Yes I did, I am only correcting your incorrect maths.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 2:53pm On May 04
DeepSight:
This is too daft to merit a response.
I drew an entire history and you dare say this nonsense as though these people have been dealt with the same way.
Enough. This is not worth it.
You are right, no 2 stories are exactly the same but these are people with similar stories.
One grew and developed, the other continues to dwindle and play the blame game.
You ended the story badly and inaccurately.

After the black got all their freedoms, who have they improved?
Crime has not improved, fatherlessness has not improved, poverty was reducing at a much faster rate between 1940 and 1965 then any time since segregation ended.

The more the blacks receivef, the worse they became.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 1:57pm On May 04
DeepSight:
No. I was careful to first do an average population check over sixty years and used that.
Let's do simple proposition.
If 30 million get 5 trillion, how much should 180 million get?
Answer = 30 trillion

The entire amount spent on welfare is 26 trillion.
Blacks on average get far more from welfare and contribute far less to it.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 1:19pm On May 04
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Times passes. The children of the poor gradually start to do better. Nonetheless they have lived for generations in poverty and thus have become used to desperate methods of survival because the system is massively skewed against them. They naturally often get into crime and several other unsavoury things to get by. Social Placement.

At the end of the day some people visit both sets of descendants and conclude that the children of the poor are criminal and lazy and the children of the rich are good and industrious.

This is all that has happened here.
[/quote]Your story is perfect except towards the end.
Times passes. The children of the poor continue to do worse.
They don't take advantage of their new found freedom. They take to crime. They become irresponsible fathers and abortive mothers.
They are given aid, the are given affirmative action, we even have to do some racial Gerrymandering just to get them to power. But they continue to be a massive disappointment.

You know who else this story fits?
The Jews and the Korean.

The only difference between the Jews, the Koreans and the blacks is culture.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 1:10pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Go and figure it out. You were the one who came up with 19%. Is the balance not 81%?
Look, enjoy yourself. Worever.

I cant teach you to think or to have self dignity.
Let's show you how it is done.
19% of 26 trillion is about 5 trillion. Do the rest of America got 21 trillion.

Let's assume that the average population of blacks is 30 million, that's 14 percent.

86% will be about 184 million.

There is no maths in the world that ends with 10,000 a year.

Please take correction
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 1:05pm On May 04
DeepSight:
No. I was careful to first do an average population check over sixty years and used that.
And what was the average population

I said let's see your maths because you most likely got it wrong..
Blacks are 14% of the population so whatever number you used for blacks, you will be using the other 86%. So show your number because it's most likely very wrong
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 1:00pm On May 04
DeepSight:
You don't think. Everything has a cause and understanding a cause is not the same thing as making excuses. True understanding will lead to true solutions.
Oga what is the solution to fatherlessness in black America.
It's easy to say nonsense until you are asked to come up with a solution
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 12:29pm On May 04
DeepSight:
Go and figure it out. You were the one who came up with 19%. Is the balance not 81%?
Look, enjoy yourself. Worever.

I cant teach you to think or to have self dignity.
And you divided the 80% by 290 million?
Please cross check your maths it's miles away
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 12:25pm On May 04
DeepSight:
I will not spend all day with you today. Enjoy your inferiority complex.
It's the opposite. I seek to improve but you are enjoying being inferior and making all the excuses in the world. It is always someone else's fault, it's never your fault.
Irresponsibility
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 12:23pm On May 04
DeepSight:
You like math right. Alright.



Then take your 80 per cent of benefits which you yourself said went to other races. Result would be x4 what blacks got. Almost Ten thousand dollars per head.

So what are you on about.
Oga please explain your 80 percentage and do the maths.
Your maths makes no sense.
Let's see your working because I have zero idea if what you are talking about.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 12:20pm On May 04
DeepSight:
You don't know the meaning of culture. You heard a white man say black culture is the problem and you licked it off the ground he spat it down on.
Oga define culture. You are fearful to do so because you know that no matter the definition, you will trap yourself
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 12:19pm On May 04
GracieX3:
You are the one that doesn't understand data and statistics.

1. Compare poor to rich countries to see the variance. No, you chose to compare poor and poorer countries and you expect sense to come out of the data.

This makes no sense. Maths and data does not work that way.
Even if you use only the poorest countries you are supposed to see proportionality.

This shows no relationships. If you plot a graph with this, it will be all over the place.

Also, there are many African countries with much lower crime rate than the US despite more poverty.

So anyhow you plot it, you are wrong
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by tctrills: 11:58am On May 04
DeepSight:
You really don't know what is responsible for the advancement of peoples.

Whites do not have a better culture. There are specific reasons for their advancement.
Do you agree that Japanese have a work culture?
We can pick out the good and bad in every culture.
The reason for the advancement of a people is this, people did things, made changes. And when enough people are doing these things society begins to change. That is culture.
The entire society will 'ot come one day and vote on the culture.
It's one person at a time, one leader at a time. That is how culture is established

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